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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Rd 18 Pre game ponderings: Holiday on the Gold Coast or Disaster at Carrarra?
Out of the six or seven times joseph has run with ablett its worked twice. IMHO its 5-2 abletts favour.   After the second scalping they started belting him (which wont be a problem against GC), and later they figured out a better plan which was run him into the back line and kick it to joseph.  He is no good in marking contests and this has been the way to beat joseph ever since.  You know you have been found out when richmond start taking advantage of this fact.

Its almost a myth that joseph has abletts number.  Bit like Gibbs on Goodes.  Got him once and Goodes has pulled his pants down six times since.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: RD 17 : Blues Defeat Kangaroos (After-Match Defibrillators)
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I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.

I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.
thats the idea mate.  this is what the cause of this act does.  It forces an opponent to stuff up their zone.

The idea of it is to make your opposition second guess what can occur tactically.  If you do the same thing frequently you allow your opponent to figure out how to setup.  This goal may have prevented North from squeazing up and locking us in.  Do it twice, then next time run it out and all of a sudden your oppoisition is unsure on how to setup. 

Especially if you start kicking to secondary targets coming out like a medium forward.

It doesn't cause them to stuff their zone though. It only works if their zone is stuffed to begin with (ie. no one is covering the centre - and seeing as that is the most dangerous part of the ground and the area which is going to cost you the most damage, that is where most of the focus usually goes into protecting as opposed to say the pockets where zones will happily let you kick to) or someone makes a big cock up.

That's what happened on the weekend. They had the kick covered, two players had it covered actually but they somehow managed to both misjudge the flight of the kick and run under the ball. One player gets a fist on that ball and it costs you a goal.
Sorry mate, I can't agree.  We had a heap of smalls (Armfield, Garlett and Betts) surrounding Henderson who was being minded by Thompson and one other (think it was Grima). 

I was under the impression that you setup to stop the marking targets, and defend a line behind where you expect the kick to go, leaving a defender with the key forward and one loose player behind everyone to mop up any streaming forward and ensure an easy contested mark is not taken secondary to the kick.

Reason why they stuffed it, was solely because the length was longer than expected, so instead of being able to run up at the ball coming in and spoil it, they had to initially go back, and then go forward again to get to the ball drop.  Misjudge that, and your result is what we got.  Add to the fact that all of a sudden they were spoiling Hendo's ability to mark.  The subsequent kick, North HAVE to setup a further ten metres back, and push up when it becomes clear that the barrel is not coming.  All of a sudden, you have bred uncertainty in your opponents defense on where they can and cannot setup.

This kick cannot be underestimated in terms of what thoughts it would implant into your opposition.  All of a sudden when Watson is not taking the kick, they need to defend the pocket (rather than leaving it free like you suggest) as all of a sudden we can be inside forward 50 within two kicks.  One to Watson, the next one a barrel from the pocket.

Our secondary forward targets from a kick in (read Henderson) need to be manned up, as the bomb could go to him.  Would also allow our rucks to get a more even one on one contest on a flank to get out.  Then the other option of running it out.

Not everyone has a Matthew Watson kick in the team.  I would even favour going this route 2 in every 6 kickouts with the others being a mix of short kicks and longish kicks.  Would absolutely screw your opposition in terms of where do they setup.

You could even do it every time your opponents behinds hit a multiple of 5, and that could be the signal of when to setup for it.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Rd 18 Pre game ponderings: Holiday on the Gold Coast or Disaster at Carrarra?
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Thry, you are forgetting, we may get in at Essendon's expense.   :P

Not really, i just want to finish above richmond and/or collingwood.

I also would love to give Richmond fans heaps if the one time the play finals is due to the bombers falling on their own sword. 

Cant lose either way really as there will be someone to give heaps to just so long as its not us. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: RD 17 : Blues Defeat Kangaroos (After-Match Defibrillators)
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I know the Watson torp got us a goal but just looked at it again and if it wasn'tfor two North defenders horribly misjudging the flight of the ball I think it would have backfired yet again.

I'd rather not see it done unless the opposition has stuffed their zone.
thats the idea mate.  this is what the cause of this act does.  It forces an opponent to stuff up their zone.

The idea of it is to make your opposition second guess what can occur tactically.  If you do the same thing frequently you allow your opponent to figure out how to setup.  This goal may have prevented North from squeazing up and locking us in.  Do it twice, then next time run it out and all of a sudden your oppoisition is unsure on how to setup. 

Especially if you start kicking to secondary targets coming out like a medium forward.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: RD 17 : Blues Defeat Kangaroos (After-Match Defibrillators)
That last over commitment you mention Raydan is the reason why we coughed up many easy goals.  Too ball focussed and not playimg the percentages.  Win the contest or lose the contest.  It seems that our players dont realise that stalemate is an option nor do they understand the benefit of a tactical retreat.  Petrie taking marks 60+ out from goal is a mini win.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: RD 17 : North Melbourne v Carlton (Pre-game Jibber-Jabber)
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If their is a late change I'd expect Robbo followed by Laidler or Bootsma.

Based on yesterdays training that would surprise me.  laidler and Bootsma were not with the main group.

Menzel is more likely, as is casboult.  I have a feeling that MM will go tall and play both Rowe and Casboult in the forward line, and Lachie might actually play CHB this week.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2013 - the year our best players went AWOL
I wont roll out stats, I think you just have to look at how he polls in the "jim park medal" thread.

Realistically that seems a better indication of how valuable a contributer he has been, where people put him amongst the best 5 players.

There are very few players in the AFL that can single handedly turn a game of football.

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Progressives:
1827 - Walker, Andrew (0)
1717 - Judd, Chris (0)
1525 - Henderson, Lachie (0)
1441 - Garlett, Jeff (0)
1126 - McLean, Brock (0)
1017 - Murphy, Marc (0)
977 - Gibbs, Bryce (0)
865 - Waite, Jarrad (0)
749 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
704 - Simpson, Kade (0)
698 - Jamison, Michael (0)
626 - Yarran, Chris (0)
500 - Armfield, Dennis (0)
375 - Warnock, Robert (0)
317 - Cachia, Jarryd (0)
304 - Robinson, Mitch (0)
303 - Scotland, Heath (0)
273 - Tuohy, Zac (0)
206 - White, Simon (0)
189 - Lucas, Kane (0)
182 - Carrazzo, Andrew (0)
178 - Betts, Eddie (0)
150 - Curnow, Edward (0)
80 - Hampson, Shaun (0)
62 - Casboult, Levi (0)
15 - Bell, Tom (0)
14 - Rowe, Sam (0)
6 - Ellard, David (0)
5 - Menzel, Troy (0)
4 - Buckley, Dylan (0)
3 - Duigan, Nicholas (0)

This season, Kreuzer has had an inffluence (according to the mixed opinions that we see on here) in games of football.  These might not have translated into wins but he has had a decent year, and we all agree there is more that he could be giving us.  Lets not forget he has missed games through injury too.  The important part to remember, that his relief staff have all had very limited ratings by comparison, with Robert Warnock coming closest given the games played vs votes achieved scenario.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2013 - the year our best players went AWOL
Carrotts, I will agree to disagree with you.

I dont believe that either of them have influenced as many games as anyone thinks.  Its always the usual suspects leading us to victory and that has been my major knock on this football club for a long time now.

You have to remember, Kreuzer can win his position, but if our midfield gets smashed he appears to have had a bad game. Yarran doesnt even have to win his direct battle to be considered as having taken a game by the scruff of the neck.

Personally, I dont really care much for individuals taking our teams to victory, as I think that this is what has bothered me about our side since the turn of the century.  We used to have good teams, now we have good players, and this is the first time where it seems as though its the unit doing the work.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: RD 17 : North Melbourne v Carlton (Pre-game Jibber-Jabber)
What I would be interested in finding out, are the answers to the following questions:

How frequently since the inception of the sub rule, have we been forced to make that change through injury as opposed to our opponents who have been able to use theirs tactically?

How frequently have we won having to sub early?

How frequently have we ended up losing another player to injury after having subbed early?

I would love to see a comparison across all teams too and this might give us a clearer picture on why some games get lost.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2013 - the year our best players went AWOL
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One hand? One finger. Port Adelaide in 2008.

See i have a problem with this vein of thinking.  There are things that Matthew has in his game that makes you happy to have him every week, just we dont see it all game every game.  Most likely due to him having had his injury woes.

The second efforts, the blocking his ability to link up in play all of it is good we just wish it would happen more frequently.

Chris Yarran is roughly the same in his ability to impact a game.  He makes you go wow sometimes and other times is a complete non event.

Gibbs too.

Its all a bit of soft target bashing anyway as you would find more players that have had fewer dominant games in their age group with the inverse largely being the exception and not the rule.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Reshape & Remodel Watson = The Spine Is Stronger Overall
IF its all about the process, Watson plays this week.  No point dropping him for four points when they are not guaranteed anyway and we can find out some information about what he can and cant do, and this could be the information that makes the penny drop with him.

Some players need no light bulb moment, some need multiple.