"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?
175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated?
Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.
Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?
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Up massively since the lockdown ended,
Feel free to help him see the explosion....in the attached picture...clearly needs help.
You left yourself exposed there LP. You're better than that right?
"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?
175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated?
Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.
Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?
I've seen you trying to be 'cute' before. You're a fail. Not up for debate. Sorry.
I put the chart up - and here it is again.....feel free to run an average....i didn't feel a need to be accurate to 4 dp. Feel free.
If that's your best shot, you're conceding the argument.
An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.
Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.
Why is that irresponsible? Was I making light of the problem? Quite the contrary.
Did I say every instance of A leads to B?
Of course it depends on the individual circumstances.
And if a mod considers it should be taken down, we'll I'll accept that without question.
And you can illuminate me can you?
As you've said to me often enough, do I care what you think?
I think my source has illuminated me well enough thanks.
This article is from July this year. For Victoria, NSW, and Queensland, rates of suicide have not increased since the start of the pandemic. There have been increases in calls to mental support services, and increase in attempts to self harm.
Can't comment about the suicide rate (haven't seen data) but I have heard first hand anecdotal stories from paramedics.
Self harm - a clear, well defined precursor to suicide - often a 6 to 18 month lag, is off the charts. And some....
That comes from a very high up dude I know in a very high up place.
So we have a choice here - open up and a few vulnerable types will get very ill and a fewer number again may die (and by all means get vaxxed if you want to - all power to you)
OR
do what we are doing & sacrifice a generation of kids (and see many more deaths).
Destroy pretty much all small business and bump the domestic/familial violence stats skyward.
The choice is clear.
Don't be a bed wetter.
ps if certain people want to lock themselves behind doors on an ongoing basis, knock yourself out. Freedom of choice!
01 April 2020 Victoria’s health system will receive a massive $1.3 billion injection to quickly establish an extra 4,000 ICU beds as we respond to the coronavirus pandemic and protect Victorian lives.
Premier Daniel Andrews and Minister for Health Jenny Mikakos announced the boost, which will secure the ICU equipment, staff and space we need to meet the expected surge in case load at the peak of the pandemic.
At present, Victoria’s public and private health services have approximately 450 fully equipped and staffed ICU beds, but we know that won’t be nearly enough if the spread of the coronavirus continues.
Since last April Victoria has brought about 1600 new ICU and critical care beds online as part of a $1.3 billion healthcare investment, tripling the state’s capacity and doubling it in regional and rural areas. The funding included hospital building upgrades, ventilation improvements and critical care equipment purchases.
A new ICU unit has been built at Casey Hospital but much of the additional capacity has been found within the public health system by upgrading beds to be able to cater for critically-ill patients.
“Throughout the pandemic, health services across the globe have been overwhelmed by COVID-19 outbreaks. Luckily no health system in Australia has experienced this. We never wanted to see scenes like that repeated in Victoria,” a government spokesman said.
“Our unprecedented investment tripled Victoria’s ICU capacity with the ability to scale up even further [to 4000 beds] if required.
Note to bed wetters - there are currently 20 (twenty) CV19 ICU cases in Victoria (the whole bloody State).
You’re right: we can’t continue to protect the unvaccinated. It’s bad luck for them that they can’t rely upon herd immunity to protect them. Bring in vaccine passports and send them to the back of the queue if they catch Covid and then we can open up and improve the mental health of the youth.
Which bit aren't you understanding?
Looks to me like you're not even protecting yourself.
If vaccines work, how does my vaccination status affect you?
We've known here about it since early 2000, but chose to run with 'we're thinking about starting up a trial that will start in 2024 and run to 2028' (terrific the sense of urgency)
There's also an earlier study - kills 99.98% in vitro - couldn't find it just now.
Seems you missed the admission by one of the great advocates of Invermectin, Dr Kory, that the Delta variant isn't responding to Invermectin. He concedes he's demoralised & frightened. But that's only because he sees what's happening to patients. Unburdened by this sort of observation, your confidence isn't dented at all.
The thing about vaccines is that they can be tweaked to respond to new variants or new vaccines can be formulated. But what can we do with Ivermectin? Is there an Ivermectin 2 or Ivermectin 3 waiting in the wings? Maybe we can mix it with bleach to clean the body of Covid ...
I'm looking forward to vaccine passports. I'll be able to go to the footy, pubs and restaurants again. No doubt there'll also be a vaccine passport for those who are protected by Ivermectin. It should give users access to free bales of hay, free gelding. and trips to the Middle East on live-cattle ships.
The recommended safe dose of Ivermectin for typical disease treatment scenarios is 12mg dose given at a +90 day interval, at that dose there are risks of significant side-effects including oedema leading to tachycardia, myocarditis, pericarditis, coma and or liver damage.
Even at the normal dose the rate of serious side effects is many many times the risk of side-effects from the vaccines. Fwiw, the normal dose is repeated at an interval of 3 to 12 months.
The India HCW Ivermectin study used the equivalent of 2 x 24mg doses of Ivermectin given just 3 days apart, the increased risks of serious side-effects is enormous! Probably killing as many people as untreated Sars-CoV-2 per million.
Why don't we just use Penicillin then, Flyboy? Could it be because it's an anti-bacterial rather than an anti-viral? We all know Penicillin doesn't work against the flu let alone Covid. Still, an antibacterial is closer to the mark than an anti-parasitic medication. Classic ...
I have no problem with you using Ivermectin. Have at it. You never know, maybe using horse dewormer will end up with you drawing admiring glances in the urinals at half-time in Carlton games. Maybe you'll start showing the gentler personality of horses, although you'd probably need to stop taking that Tasmanian Devil medication first.
I know you're not as dumb as your recent batch of comments.
The reference to Penicillin was by way of analogy. Duh.
Your smug comments re Ivermectin simply tells me you've been too lazy to read any of the literature - happy to run with the facile government/MSM narrative....
Re the current vaccines, it's hardly earth shattering logic to grasp that as the bugs change, a vaccine designed to subdue an original strain (which has faded away), might not work for the new variants - Delta etc. (think the flu).
Why are our Governments running with a 70%++ vaccine popn. threshold, when they now know (very well indeed) the efficacy and duration are extremely limited?
It's spin and nothing but fear porn.
Illogical. Ditto the whole vax passport caper given no reduction in transmission, no reduction in catching it.....
Flyboy, you might get lucky with the variants: maybe Ivermectin might finally work on one of them. Ivermectin fans will be like Powerball “investors” waiting with bated breath to see if their numbers come up this time.
The article deals with the Front Line Covid Critical Care Alliance, a group of Doctors who desperately sought to repurpose existing medications to give them some weapons to battle Covid when nothing else was available. They had a big win with a combination of the steroid methylprednisolone and other drugs and supplements. They pressed on despite resistance in the medical community until studies confirmed the effectiveness of steroids in treating serious cases. But then they backed the wrong horse based on dodgy studies. While steroids operate as anti-inflammatories and there’s a plausible way they might help treat Covid, it’s much harder to see how Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic rather than anti-viral medication, would help.
As the article notes, initially the FLCCCA was trying to find a stopgap pending the arrival of effective vaccines but it seems the support from right wingers and anti-vaxxers has worked to stop the FLCCCA recommending vaccines.
The article quotes Dr Eric Osgood, a former member of the FLCCCA who quit because of the group’s failure to endorse vaccines: But even the remaining members of the FLCCCA are worried that the Delta variant is kicking Ivermectin’s arse:
You've never heard of Penicillin Mav? Used by humans and animals alike for many a decade.
Ivermectin - the sheep drench line is a great straw man line (well poor really).
Ivermectin has been on the WHO's most essential drug list since circa 1980.
You reckon it doesn't work - you base that on the spin you read on cereal packets or worse....
I look at the data - and the evidence is overwhelming with next to zero risk of any adverse side effects.
c19ivermectin.com
or Tess Lawrie's meta study undertake to the highest Cochrane standard.
Classic ...