7.40pm Next Saturday at Etihad
Dockers are not in great form and just getting it done. Pac one more week and Mcpharlin no chance.
No excuses for us, huge chance to knock a top 4 contender and we should.
Need to be smart with ball use as they just flood numbers back and tackle with intent, but we get enough chances we should kick a big enough score.
Need to improve goal kicking 200% to have any chance.
7.40pm Next Saturday at Etihad
Dockers are not in great form and just getting it done. Pac one more week and Mcpharlin no chance.
No excuses for us, huge chance to knock a top 4 contender and we should.
Need to be smart with ball use as they just flood numbers back and tackle with intent, but we get enough chances we should kick a big enough score.
Ballantyne to miss as well?
I'm a big believer that if you match it with the Dockers on the inside you can win the game. We have too much pace and skill on the outside that if we get it to them the Dorkers have no chance. Mick should look at Ratts' blueprint from last year where we held strong at the contest and killed them on the break.
We now have a game plan and a team of players that are capable of absorbed the intense pressure the dockers put on teams.
If we are able to kick relatively straight and maintain a fit group out on the field, it will be a close match.
If we get the above and the 3 amigos are on song, then we will flog them as they, like most, won't be able to stop all of them.
I suspect it will be somewhere in the middle. A closeish match which we sneak a win out of.
Need to improve goal kicking 200% to have any chance.
True but on the other hand Dockers games tend to be low scoring affairs.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Need to improve goal kicking 200% to have any chance.
True but on the other hand Dockers games tend to be low scoring affairs.
Mate all the more reason to take your opportunities. Bad kicking like yesterday will cost you against good sides.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Casboults kicking is CLEARLY worse than Rowes.
Fitness levels are on a par.
Their rucking is on a par.
Casboults marking is slightly better as is his pack crashing.
Rowes game against the Saints is better then anything Casboult has done this year.
FYI Rowe has kicked 8 goals in 7 games.
Casboutl has kicked 4 goals in 7 games.
Rowe also has more kicks, marks and disposals.
To say one is much better than the other is showing clear bias.
Nephew-in-law is a Docker supporter. Good kid and came to the footy with us when we beat the Aints.
Mentioned that under Ross Lyon, Freo aint lost a game at $hitihad yet!!
Hopefully that changes this week!! ;)
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Casboults kicking is CLEARLY worse than Rowes.
Fitness levels are on a par.
Their rucking is on a par.
Casboults marking is slightly better as is his pack crashing.
Rowes game against the Saints is better then anything Casboult has done this year.
FYI Rowe has kicked 8 goals in 7 games.
Casboutl has kicked 4 goals in 7 games.
Rowe also has more kicks, marks and disposals.
To say one is much better than the other is showing clear bias.
Kruddler, there is not one person alive in the world today except for perhaps those under 5, that are not biased. We are all biased. Either towards our families, our car, the political party we vote for, the food we eat, etc.
So it's not a sin to be biased. We all are.
But there is a difference between being biased and being blinkered biased. For example. I am biased towards Carlton. I have been for 60 years. But I'm not blinkered biased. When we lose, unlike blinkered biased supporters, even though I may say that the umpiring was shocking, I will never blame the umpires for a loss. I won't blame anyone other than the players for not playing up to their capabilities, or the coaches for not coaching well. But I will never blame outside factors. Blinkered biased supporters won't blame our players or coaches but will blame outside influences.
Other examples, are parents I hear blame the school for their kids bad behaviour or lack of ability. It's never little Johnny's or Betty's fault. They are angels, and can do no wrong. Or parents who blame everyone else other than their kids for raping, or stealing, or murdering. That's blinkered bias and you see it every day.
So having said that, because I am not blinkered biased towards Casboult and against Rowe, I agree with you about the equal level of fitness between them. I still feel that Casboult is a better ruckman. I think you might find that Casboult played in more games where we got stuffed and didn't have the opportunities, while Rowe played in more winning games, hence the goal difference.
But where there can be no dispute at all, in my biased opinion, of course, is marking. Rowe isn't a patch on Casboult in contested marking. Casboult has proven himself capable of taking a pack mark around the ground, Rowe hasn't. I have got nothing but enormous admiration for Sam Rowe, and I hope he can have a long and healthy career as an AFL footballer.
Anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Nephew-in-law is a Docker supporter. Good kid and came to the footy with us when we beat the Aints.
Mentioned that under Ross Lyon, Freo aint lost a game at $hitihad yet!!
Hopefully that changes this week!! ;)
apart from the fact they have only played 1 game this year there against the saints
last year the beat the played 3 games games there (they all won): saints, melbourne, and north melbourne.
So when you look at it it's really all that impressive (NM win aside if you felt like it)
Need to improve goal kicking 200% to have any chance.
True but on the other hand Dockers games tend to be low scoring affairs.
Mate all the more reason to take your opportunities. Bad kicking like yesterday will cost you against good sides.
I'm right there with you GTC!
But where there can be no dispute at all, in my biased opinion, of course, is marking. Rowe isn't a patch on Casboult in contested marking. Casboult has proven himself capable of taking a pack mark around the ground, Rowe hasn't. I have got nothing but enormous admiration for Sam Rowe, and I hope he can have a long and healthy career as an AFL footballer.
Anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Despite your beliefs on bias, i do not believe i am bias one way or the other on casboult or rowe. Some people will say i am one way. Some will say i am bias the other way.
Your initial comment was that Casboult MUST come in because of his marking. I agree he is a better pack mark.
What i am disagreeing with is that a better mark means more importance to the team.
What is more important to the team?
A player who kicks at 50% in front of goal but gets slightly more opportunities
or
A player who converts more often than not from slightly less opportunites.
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
But where there can be no dispute at all, in my biased opinion, of course, is marking. Rowe isn't a patch on Casboult in contested marking. Casboult has proven himself capable of taking a pack mark around the ground, Rowe hasn't. I have got nothing but enormous admiration for Sam Rowe, and I hope he can have a long and healthy career as an AFL footballer.
Anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Despite your beliefs on bias, i do not believe i am bias one way or the other on casboult or rowe. Some people will say i am one way. Some will say i am bias the other way.
Your initial comment was that Casboult MUST come in because of his marking. I agree he is a better pack mark.
What i am disagreeing with is that a better mark means more importance to the team.
What is more important to the team?
A player who kicks at 50% in front of goal but gets slightly more opportunities
or
A player who converts more often than not from slightly less opportunites.
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
Cas has kicked 3 goals so far in the NB's
he'll replace Rowe next week
wouldnt be surprised if they pull him in the last quarter today
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
But there's also the potential there that he will start to convert.
TBH I can't split the two but I'd give Rowe another go before I drop him. He played very well against the Saints and not so bad vs North. We need to give these talls a decent run at it. Rowe for another week and if he doesn't perform Cas for the rest of the year.
But where there can be no dispute at all, in my biased opinion, of course, is marking. Rowe isn't a patch on Casboult in contested marking. Casboult has proven himself capable of taking a pack mark around the ground, Rowe hasn't. I have got nothing but enormous admiration for Sam Rowe, and I hope he can have a long and healthy career as an AFL footballer.
Anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Despite your beliefs on bias, i do not believe i am bias one way or the other on casboult or rowe. Some people will say i am one way. Some will say i am bias the other way.
Your initial comment was that Casboult MUST come in because of his marking. I agree he is a better pack mark.
What i am disagreeing with is that a better mark means more importance to the team.
What is more important to the team?
A player who kicks at 50% in front of goal but gets slightly more opportunities
or
A player who converts more often than not from slightly less opportunites.
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
I wouldn't say that Rowe gets slightly less opportunities than Cas. In fact yesterday, he had a heap of opportunities but dropped mark after mark and and on one occasion missed from a shot virtually directly in front.
I just feel that there is a lot more upside overall from Casboult than there is from Rowe.
As always, I am happy to be proven wrong, in that I hope they can both make it at the top level.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Casboults kicking is CLEARLY worse than Rowes.
Fitness levels are on a par.
Their rucking is on a par.
Casboults marking is slightly better as is his pack crashing.
Rowes game against the Saints is better then anything Casboult has done this year.
FYI Rowe has kicked 8 goals in 7 games.
Casboutl has kicked 4 goals in 7 games.
Rowe also has more kicks, marks and disposals.
To say one is much better than the other is showing clear bias.
Casboult's game against Essendon was probably at least as good as anything Rowe's produced too this year. Only technical thing I disagree with.
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
But there's also the potential there that he will start to convert.
TBH I can't split the two but I'd give Rowe another go before I drop him. He played very well against the Saints and not so bad vs North. We need to give these talls a decent run at it. Rowe for another week and if he doesn't perform Cas for the rest of the year.
Long term, it seems easier to correct kicking issues then it is to convert a player to be an elite mark of the ball. So yes, ideally Casboult can improve his kicking and make the position his.
I don't think the potential that he will start to convert is something we factor in week to week, and neither should the MC.
@jimbo...
Can't recall casboults game against the bombers but he has never kicked more than 1 goal in a game this year. Rowe has done so on 2 occasions. (2 and 3) and has kicked twice as many goals by comparison.
No excuses, gotta win every game, Port just rolled Brisbane so we are out again.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Casboults kicking is CLEARLY worse than Rowes.
Fitness levels are on a par.
Their rucking is on a par.
Casboults marking is slightly better as is his pack crashing.
Rowes game against the Saints is better then anything Casboult has done this year.
FYI Rowe has kicked 8 goals in 7 games.
Casboutl has kicked 4 goals in 7 games.
Rowe also has more kicks, marks and disposals.
To say one is much better than the other is showing clear bias.
Surely you are not going to use the St Kilda game as a measuring stick Krud? St Kildas tall backs are undersized and under-skilled already and when the first choices in Fisher and Blake didn't play, any forward would have had a field day as Rowe did. Since then he's been shown up for what he is, a VFL player who is being kept for depth. Play Levi against St Kilda and that goal tally would turn in his favour.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Casboults kicking is CLEARLY worse than Rowes.
Fitness levels are on a par.
Their rucking is on a par.
Casboults marking is slightly better as is his pack crashing.
Rowes game against the Saints is better then anything Casboult has done this year.
FYI Rowe has kicked 8 goals in 7 games.
Casboutl has kicked 4 goals in 7 games.
Rowe also has more kicks, marks and disposals.
To say one is much better than the other is showing clear bias.
Surely you are not going to use the St Kilda game as a measuring stick Krud? St Kildas tall backs are undersized and under-skilled already and when the first choices in Fisher and Blake didn't play, any forward would have had a field day as Rowe did. Since then he's been shown up for what he is, a VFL player who is being kept for depth. Play Levi against St Kilda and that goal tally would turn in his favour.
Who is better GWS or Saints?
Casboult played against GWS and kicked 1.3
Alternatively, Rowe kicked 2.2 against the cats.
Both Rowe and Casboult have an upside. both will benefit from another full preseason.
I think long term Casboult will have a better career as he tends to mark the ball more regularly than Rowe. Casboult moves ok and can pinch-hit in the ruck at levels equal to or better than Rowe.
Casboult's fitness and understanding of the requirements of AFL level will,improve as he gains more experience.
Can we fix Casboult's kicking? That's the question we need answered because he has Rowe covered in most other facets.
Graham and Bell dominated the Bullants today...either for Lucas would be nice.
Should we consider Warnock for some extra height?
Can't drop Lucas on one average performance, he was BOG a few weeks back when we got smashed by the Pies and has been good enough since then.
Bell doesn't seem to be one of the coaches favs. I'd be up for a look at Graham for sure.
Can't drop Lucas on one average performance, he was BOG a few weeks back when we got smashed by the Pies and has been good enough since then.
Bell doesn't seem to be one of the coaches favs. I'd be up for a look at Graham for sure.
Lucas did cop a decent hit. Maybe concussed?
Yes, don't think Lucas would be dropped but if not 100% fit could be replaced by Graham.
Yes, don't think Lucas would be dropped but if not 100% fit could be replaced by Graham.
Agree Lucas deserves one off week, but was he subbed off for injury or form? If he is injured it would be good to have a look at Graham.
No reason we can't beat Freo and beat them well - who covers the three amigos?
Freo injury list:
No McPharlin really unbalances their entire back line structure (not that he was ever going to man up Eddie!)
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Don't agree. Rowe has shown a lot more than Casboult this season and his game against the Suns wasn't bad.
Casboult has potential but that's not enough to earn a place in the 22.
Can't drop Lucas on one average performance, he was BOG a few weeks back when we got smashed by the Pies and has been good enough since then.
Bell doesn't seem to be one of the coaches favs. I'd be up for a look at Graham for sure.
Lucas did cop a decent hit. Maybe concussed?
Certainly not right after it happened. We were right to sub him off. Maybe we should give him the week off and give Graham a go. Freo would certainly have seen very little of him. Or Tom Bell, for a bit of extra strength.
On Casboult vs Rowe, based on the way both have gone about it, its clear to me that you go with the one that is currently travelling better. Its line ball between them as neither is dominant and both have varying ability to contribute across the position they play but largely if one is a bit fatigued or one is carrying a niggle you go the other way. One might be a bit flat mentally the other might be chomping at the bit. You go the other way.
I think this is 'The' season defining game. We finish with Richmond, Essendon and Port away. That is 3 top 8 teams to round off our season. If we can't beat Fremantle at home I don't think we will play finals and I don't think we deserve to.
Fremantle will not allow us many inside 50 marks, so I think the Rowe v Casboult argument should almost purely be around who will crash the packs and create chances for our smalls first. We basically want a Leigh Brown (Collingwood days) effort from whoever it is. It is tough, because I think Rowe gets his hands to more balls, but Casboult appears to take more marks (without checking stats anyway), the question has to be though 'does Rowe have any influence when he gets his hands to the ball or is it usually a pretty straight forward spoil for the defenders, I think it is the latter.
One thing I would take note though is that the smalls should be hitting that contest differently depending on who it is that does play. If for example Casboult plays... I would be wanting probably one small around the foot of the contest and one around the back. If it is Rowe I would want a small 5-10 m in front of the contest and another around the foot of it. This is particularly true for longer high balls, as when out on a lead there is far less time, but that is the 'zonal' situation I would want our smalls playing. That doesn't have to be one of the amigos and it could just as well be Army or Murphy doing that.
I would probably play Casboult for what it is worth, I think the situation is more controllable when the defenders don't get a clear smash away and I think they are more likely to with Rowe.
Fremantle will (like all their games) be trying to setup from defense and we can't commit all players forward because that is when they will hurt us badly. They cover their zones exceptionally well and will block our space better than most clubs, barring maybe Sydney. I think the boys will absolutely have to be at their best, but if they are I think we will take this by about 2-3 goals.
Think it will be won and lost in the midfield like most games between the better teams......Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy and Hill will need negating and I expect Judd wont get much of the footy if his old mate Crowley picks him up. Sandilands is also back which means Kruezer will have to be at his best and need to run the giant around.
The Freo giant usually posts up at FF during some stage in the game when they play us and we need to make sure we have the right mix of talls to man him up.
Ross Lyon will close the game and make it a slog fest and I dont expect to see any pretty footy and I reckon Mick will do the same and it may get down to who gets their matchups right.
Murphy and Gibbs need to stand up and I expect the former to be also heavily tagged and bullied....
If it was a Freo home game then I would have said the Dockers but at Etihad I think we can get home if Mick gets his planning right....
I think we've left our run too late for Finals personally. All the remaining games are season defining now and I feel we cannot keep winning week after week. If I have to pluck two games out it's Fremantle this week and Essendon as the games we must win if we're any chance. We have to beat Port over there as well although a win over Essendon and all our other games means we could drop it and still make it.
I think we've left our run too late for Finals personally. All the remaining games are season defining now and I feel we cannot keep winning week after week. If I have to pluck two games out it's Fremantle this week and Essendon as the games we must win if we're any chance. We have to beat Port over there as well although a win over Essendon and all our other games means we could drop it and still make it.
Finishing 9th (much to Richmond's disgust) seems that it will hold currency this season.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
If he wasn't asked to Ruck such a large portion of the game, it wouldn't be an issue. Warnock and Kreuzer rotating in the ruck and Casboult and Henderson up forward? Lacks a rotation, but you can always activate a midfielder as a sub if it becomes an issue.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Don't agree. Rowe has shown a lot more than Casboult this season and his game against the Suns wasn't bad.
Casboult has potential but that's not enough to earn a place in the 22.
Disagree. Casboult kept us in it against the Hawks and has shown much more against quality opposition. I'm sure Michael Johnson would prefer to play on Rowe rather than Casboult.
I think we've left our run too late for Finals personally. All the remaining games are season defining now and I feel we cannot keep winning week after week. If I have to pluck two games out it's Fremantle this week and Essendon as the games we must win if we're any chance. We have to beat Port over there as well although a win over Essendon and all our other games means we could drop it and still make it.
What's the big deal?
Freo - over rated big time..... won't be easy but very very beatable.
Doggies - again. let's see if MM has actually put some ticker into our troops - should be a 8 goal win ++ .....
Tigers? Meh, at best. We owe them a belting.
Essendon will likely be post penalty or not fielding a team by that week?
Port in Adelaide - i think they'll lose to the Crows next week, then smashed by the Cats at Skilled, then GC (not easy) then Freo in Perth another belting..... they'll be damaged goods come Rd 23.
Think it will be won and lost in the midfield like most games between the better teams......Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy and Hill will need negating and I expect Judd wont get much of the footy if his old mate Crowley picks him up. Sandilands is also back which means Kruezer will have to be at his best and need to run the giant around.
The Freo giant usually posts up at FF during some stage in the game when they play us and we need to make sure we have the right mix of talls to man him up.
Ross Lyon will close the game and make it a slog fest and I dont expect to see any pretty footy and I reckon Mick will do the same and it may get down to who gets their matchups right.
Murphy and Gibbs need to stand up and I expect the former to be also heavily tagged and bullied....
If it was a Freo home game then I would have said the Dockers but at Etihad I think we can get home if Mick gets his planning right....
Here are some match-ups worth thinking about
[?] - Scotland
[?] - Murphy
Fyfe - Curnow
Crowley - Judd
Barlow - Carazzo
Mundy - Gibbs
Hill - Walker
Freo have two genuine ruckmen (Clarke and Sandilands), wouldn't be surprised if Warnock comes in. As for Casboult vs. Rowe, I think it'll come down to whether or not Waite plays. Surely when Waite comes back Henderson and Waite play forward. If that is the case, I'd pick Casboult for his marking around the ground, especially floating back like he has done at times this year.
Last week, the only reason Cachia played was because Thompson was a late withdrawal and was replaced with a medium, so Cachia came in for Bootsma (wonder if Boots was actually "ill"? ;)). Would most likely see Boots or McInnes come back and Cachia or Lucas out depending on the fitness of the latter.
Tuohy to wipe the floor with Ballantyne's stupid face.
Gibbs on Mayne?
Simpson on Hill?
But where there can be no dispute at all, in my biased opinion, of course, is marking. Rowe isn't a patch on Casboult in contested marking. Casboult has proven himself capable of taking a pack mark around the ground, Rowe hasn't. I have got nothing but enormous admiration for Sam Rowe, and I hope he can have a long and healthy career as an AFL footballer.
Anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Despite your beliefs on bias, i do not believe i am bias one way or the other on casboult or rowe. Some people will say i am one way. Some will say i am bias the other way.
Your initial comment was that Casboult MUST come in because of his marking. I agree he is a better pack mark.
What i am disagreeing with is that a better mark means more importance to the team.
What is more important to the team?
A player who kicks at 50% in front of goal but gets slightly more opportunities
or
A player who converts more often than not from slightly less opportunites.
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
Cas has kicked 3 goals so far in the NB's
he'll replace Rowe next week
wouldnt be surprised if they pull him in the last quarter today
I would wait and see his 2nd half. Too often at AFL level Cas blows up after half time.
I can't find stats by qtr but I can find dreamteam points which give a rough guide to productivity.
Levi
1st: 23.8
2nd: 17.4
3rd: 15.6
4th: 9.8
I agree he is better contested mark but he becomes a liability after half time if you can't sub him off.
Also.
With Casboult in the side. 1 win, 5 losses
With Rowe in the side. 5 win, 3 losses
I just get the feeling that while Rowe doesn't clunk enough marks he does get to more contests and competes bringing the ball to ground for Garlett, Betts and Yarran.
I think we've left our run too late for Finals personally. All the remaining games are season defining now and I feel we cannot keep winning week after week. If I have to pluck two games out it's Fremantle this week and Essendon as the games we must win if we're any chance. We have to beat Port over there as well although a win over Essendon and all our other games means we could drop it and still make it.
I ve done a conservative Ladder Predictor in which we lose to Freo and the Tigers, but can still sneak into 8th if we beat Port in Round 23.
This is because Port will drop games against Geelong at Symonds, and Freo at Subi.
I'm not going to be confident until Brettie gives Freo the kiss of death.
Hoping our side selected and structure allows Hendo to stay up forward.
If this is the case, I believe we should win.
fwiw - I'd prefer to see Cas get a game at this week over Rowe, purely for his pack splitting ability. As posted already Freo likely to bottle things up, which would work in Cas' favour imo.
And Robbo for a (legal) flying shoulder on Ballantyne please.
Are we going to hear about "boo-gate" this week when everyone gives Ballantyne a spray? (Provided he plays of course)
If he wasn't asked to Ruck such a large portion of the game, it wouldn't be an issue. Warnock and Kreuzer rotating in the ruck and Casboult and Henderson up forward? Lacks a rotation, but you can always activate a midfielder as a sub if it becomes an issue.
Me thinks Big Nockers will come in to take on the Bohemoth.
Can't see either Rowe or Casboult having any impact against Sandilands & Clarke. And it would be nice to go into a game with a full array of key position players.
I like the idea, but it would be a change from how the team has been selected in recent weeks.
I think we've left our run too late for Finals personally. All the remaining games are season defining now and I feel we cannot keep winning week after week. If I have to pluck two games out it's Fremantle this week and Essendon as the games we must win if we're any chance. We have to beat Port over there as well although a win over Essendon and all our other games means we could drop it and still make it.
I ve done a conservative Ladder Predictor in which we lose to Freo and the Tigers, but can still sneak into 8th if we beat Port in Round 23.
This is because Port will drop games against Geelong at Symonds, and Freo at Subi.
I have done the not so conservative one and have us winning every game and playing Sydney in the GF.
If he wasn't asked to Ruck such a large portion of the game, it wouldn't be an issue. Warnock and Kreuzer rotating in the ruck and Casboult and Henderson up forward? Lacks a rotation, but you can always activate a midfielder as a sub if it becomes an issue.
Me thinks Big Nockers will come in to take on the Bohemoth.
Can't see either Rowe or Casboult having any impact against Sandilands & Clarke. And it would be nice to go into a game with a full array of key position players.
I like the idea, but it would be a change from how the team has been selected in recent weeks.
Knockers cant go with Sandilands. Too slight. Would rather we go with a combination of Kreuzer, Casboult and Rowe.
Are we going to hear about "boo-gate" this week when everyone gives Ballantyne a spray? (Provided he plays of course)
Pretty sure Ballantyne was a three week hamstring, the third being this week.
Everyone is too slight for Sandilands... he's 120 kgs!
If he wasn't asked to Ruck such a large portion of the game, it wouldn't be an issue. Warnock and Kreuzer rotating in the ruck and Casboult and Henderson up forward? Lacks a rotation, but you can always activate a midfielder as a sub if it becomes an issue.
Me thinks Big Nockers will come in to take on the Bohemoth.
Can't see either Rowe or Casboult having any impact against Sandilands & Clarke. And it would be nice to go into a game with a full array of key position players.
I like the idea, but it would be a change from how the team has been selected in recent weeks.
Knockers cant go with Sandilands. Too slight. Would rather we go with a combination of Kreuzer, Casboult and Rowe.
206 torched him at Paterson Stadium in 2011
We have some players in the best form of their careers- Simmo, Tuohy, Walker, Hendo. Yet we have a midfield that really has been an achilles heal against the good sides this year. Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo- our offensive midfilders have been ordinary. Gibbs was good early, but he is just 'another player' in our side. Gibbs has not even got close to his 3rd season in terms of SC points and is currently averaging 11% lower than his 2009 season. His SC points have slipped consistently and his output is no different to his output last year. His first game of the year has been his best, and has not even got close to those SC points since. ie. he showed us what he can do in that game, but like his whole career, he has not delivered it consistently in 2013.
At Etihad, without Pavlich, we are 4 goals closer, but we really cannot carry the passengers that we had against the Suns. Our bottom 3 players had less SuperCoach points than the Suns worst performer. That in a 7 goal win is pretty poor (The bottom 2, Rowe and Lucas, played all or a significant part of the game). Judd's decline is interesting. Last year, his average SC points dropped by 10% from the year before and this year it has dropped a further 5%. We all know that SC points are not an exact science, but I think this analysis reflects what we are all seeing from him. Three games ago, judd was superb- but in terms of SC points, it was an anomally, 15% higher than his previous best this year and 37% better than his average. To put that into persective, he had four higher scores than that game (saints) last year, 5 better games in 2011 and 7 better games in 2010. An indication that the best of Judd is far behind and we can only really expect one other 'vintage' Judd game this year.
Murphy is an interesting one. He is 20% down on his output last year, and surprisingly, he actually came back better after the Dangerfield bump (based on SC points). However, his last 2 games against GC and St Kilda last year were well down and that form (average SC) has continued into this year. Murphy has only scored SC points that matched his average last year against Essendon, Port Adelaide, Melbourne and Geelong. He has scored his lowest scores of his career this season against the Saints and and Collingwood. Even worse than his first year.
Robbo is another, 15% down on last year. Ed is up about 8%, but is a defensive midfielder. Brock is down almost 20% too. So all in all, our midfielders are down by an average of 10-15%.
What this all means is that we can not rely on Judd anymore and for some reason, our other gun midfielder is struggling. We need Judd to meet his average (100 SC is still a good output), but we clearly need Murphy to up his output by 20% this week. What it also shows, is that we probably need to start introducing more offensive midfielders who are going to rack up some possessions. Bell and Graham have not collected less than 30 possessions in the last 4 games that they have played in the VFL. These are the types of players that we require now. We need our hands on the pill in the middle, not simply limiting the opposition's midfielders.
Bell and/or Graham need to come in this week.
IMO Rowe must be dropped.. He was terrible against GC and not much better the week before..
I'd be bringing in Casboult or Warnock for him.. preferably Casboult..
Also Graham needs to come in.. Great form must be rewarded..
Watson looks sooooo sloooow.. He does some good things but im still not convinced.. His pace is just awful.
The only suggestion I can think of keeping Rowe in, is if Waite/Casboult comes in, then Rowe goes down back and tried there, and Watson gets dropped..
I dont think this will happen though..
Its hard trying to fit everyone in now.. There will be some good players not playing seniors..
206 torched him at Paterson Stadium in 2011
Wasn't that back when Sandilands was suffering turf toe, even so I think at best he broke even?
Maybe you mean another year, but I think Sandilands has been close to BOG in 4 of our last six encounters! So perhaps a break even is a win!
What's the big deal?
The big deal is Fremantle and Essendon are the toughest games of us in this run. If we want to play Finals these are the games we have to win.
Freo - over rated big time..... won't be easy but very very beatable.
We can beat them but it won't be easy.
Doggies - again. let's see if MM has actually put some ticker into our troops - should be a 8 goal win ++ .....
We have to beat sides like this if we're serious about moving into the upper echelon of teams. Not sure I agree with 8 goals but I think 3-5 more likely.
Tigers? Meh, at best. We owe them a belting.
Tigers are much better than the side from earlier in the year and we're still not clicking yet. I think it will be closer than many think.
Essendon will likely be post penalty or not fielding a team by that week?
And if they do field a side? They'll win because they are currently better than we are and shouldn't be. We have to beat them if we want to improve and this is the major season defining game in my view.
Port in Adelaide - i think they'll lose to the Crows next week, then smashed by the Cats at Skilled, then GC (not easy) then Freo in Perth another belting..... they'll be damaged goods come Rd 23.
You may be right although we still may have to play off over there for a spot in the eight and it will be out of us and them.
We have some players in the best form of their careers- Simmo, Tuohy, Walker, Hendo. Yet we have a midfield that really has been an achilles heal against the good sides this year. Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo- our offensive midfilders have been ordinary. Gibbs was good early, but he is just 'another player' in our side. Gibbs has not even got close to his 3rd season in terms of SC points and is currently averaging 11% lower than his 2009 season. His SC points have slipped consistently and his output is no different to his output last year. His first game of the year has been his best, and has not even got close to those SC points since. ie. he showed us what he can do in that game, but like his whole career, he has not delivered it consistently in 2013.
At Etihad, without Pavlich, we are 4 goals closer, but we really cannot carry the passengers that we had against the Suns. Our bottom 3 players had less SuperCoach points than the Suns worst performer. That in a 7 goal win is pretty poor (The bottom 2, Rowe and Lucas, played all or a significant part of the game). Judd's decline is interesting. Last year, his average SC points dropped by 10% from the year before and this year it has dropped a further 5%. We all know that SC points are not an exact science, but I think this analysis reflects what we are all seeing from him. Three games ago, judd was superb- but in terms of SC points, it was an anomally, 15% higher than his previous best this year and 37% better than his average. To put that into persective, he had four higher scores than that game (saints) last year, 5 better games in 2011 and 7 better games in 2010. An indication that the best of Judd is far behind and we can only really expect one other 'vintage' Judd game this year.
Murphy is an interesting one. He is 20% down on his output last year, and surprisingly, he actually came back better after the Dangerfield bump (based on SC points). However, his last 2 games against GC and St Kilda last year were well down and that form (average SC) has continued into this year. Murphy has only scored SC points that matched his average last year against Essendon, Port Adelaide, Melbourne and Geelong. He has scored his lowest scores of his career this season against the Saints and and Collingwood. Even worse than his first year.
Robbo is another, 15% down on last year. Ed is up about 8%, but is a defensive midfielder. Brock is down almost 20% too. So all in all, our midfielders are down by an average of 10-15%.
What this all means is that we can not rely on Judd anymore and for some reason, our other gun midfielder is struggling. We need Judd to meet his average (100 SC is still a good output), but we clearly need Murphy to up his output by 20% this week. What it also shows, is that we probably need to start introducing more offensive midfielders who are going to rack up some possessions. Bell and Graham have not collected less than 30 possessions in the last 4 games that they have played in the VFL. These are the types of players that we require now. We need our hands on the pill in the middle, not simply limiting the opposition's midfielders.
Bell and/or Graham need to come in this week.
Good post...I'd like the bigger frame of Bell in the team, reckon Graham could wait for an easier game to debut in.
If he wasn't asked to Ruck such a large portion of the game, it wouldn't be an issue. Warnock and Kreuzer rotating in the ruck and Casboult and Henderson up forward? Lacks a rotation, but you can always activate a midfielder as a sub if it becomes an issue.
Me thinks Big Nockers will come in to take on the Bohemoth.
Can't see either Rowe or Casboult having any impact against Sandilands & Clarke. And it would be nice to go into a game with a full array of key position players.
I like the idea, but it would be a change from how the team has been selected in recent weeks.
Freo have an ordinary record of winning clearances when Sandilands plays. Opposition clubs just simply rove to him. We may as well do the same. No point bringing in Warnock for the sake of a few tapouts. Go for blokes that can take a few marks
@laj
Tend to agree. I think Warnock would only come in now if Kreuz and/or several of our other tall options were injured.
206 torched him at Paterson Stadium in 2011
Wasn't that back when Sandilands was suffering turf toe, even so I think at best he broke even?
Maybe you mean another year, but I think Sandilands has been close to BOG in 4 of our last six encounters! So perhaps a break even is a win!
No it was 2011, I went went over for the game, Robbie played very well more than matched it with Lurch. In fact, I gave Robbie the points and thought he was instrumental in our win that day.
Injury prone this season, older body finding it a little harder to pick up the tempo. I watched the replay this arvo, he made one terrible error and was beaten one on one in a contest you would've backed him to win. He also did some very nice things. Far from awful as some mentioned but he's nowhere near his best, hopefully it all clicks for him soon.
206 torched him at Paterson Stadium in 2011
Wasn't that back when Sandilands was suffering turf toe, even so I think at best he broke even?
Maybe you mean another year, but I think Sandilands has been close to BOG in 4 of our last six encounters! So perhaps a break even is a win!
No it was 2011, I went went over for the game, Robbie played very well more than matched it with Lurch. In fact, I gave Robbie the points and thought he was instrumental in our win that day.
Warnock smacked everyone in 2011. Had a good year.
We have some players in the best form of their careers- Simmo, Tuohy, Walker, Hendo. Yet we have a midfield that really has been an achilles heal against the good sides this year. Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo- our offensive midfilders have been ordinary. Gibbs was good early, but he is just 'another player' in our side. Gibbs has not even got close to his 3rd season in terms of SC points and is currently averaging 11% lower than his 2009 season. His SC points have slipped consistently and his output is no different to his output last year. His first game of the year has been his best, and has not even got close to those SC points since. ie. he showed us what he can do in that game, but like his whole career, he has not delivered it consistently in 2013.
At Etihad, without Pavlich, we are 4 goals closer, but we really cannot carry the passengers that we had against the Suns. Our bottom 3 players had less SuperCoach points than the Suns worst performer. That in a 7 goal win is pretty poor (The bottom 2, Rowe and Lucas, played all or a significant part of the game). Judd's decline is interesting. Last year, his average SC points dropped by 10% from the year before and this year it has dropped a further 5%. We all know that SC points are not an exact science, but I think this analysis reflects what we are all seeing from him. Three games ago, judd was superb- but in terms of SC points, it was an anomally, 15% higher than his previous best this year and 37% better than his average. To put that into persective, he had four higher scores than that game (saints) last year, 5 better games in 2011 and 7 better games in 2010. An indication that the best of Judd is far behind and we can only really expect one other 'vintage' Judd game this year.
Murphy is an interesting one. He is 20% down on his output last year, and surprisingly, he actually came back better after the Dangerfield bump (based on SC points). However, his last 2 games against GC and St Kilda last year were well down and that form (average SC) has continued into this year. Murphy has only scored SC points that matched his average last year against Essendon, Port Adelaide, Melbourne and Geelong. He has scored his lowest scores of his career this season against the Saints and and Collingwood. Even worse than his first year.
Robbo is another, 15% down on last year. Ed is up about 8%, but is a defensive midfielder. Brock is down almost 20% too. So all in all, our midfielders are down by an average of 10-15%.
What this all means is that we can not rely on Judd anymore and for some reason, our other gun midfielder is struggling. We need Judd to meet his average (100 SC is still a good output), but we clearly need Murphy to up his output by 20% this week. What it also shows, is that we probably need to start introducing more offensive midfielders who are going to rack up some possessions. Bell and Graham have not collected less than 30 possessions in the last 4 games that they have played in the VFL. These are the types of players that we require now. We need our hands on the pill in the middle, not simply limiting the opposition's midfielders.
Bell and/or Graham need to come in this week.
Good post...I'd like the bigger frame of Bell in the team, reckon Graham could wait for an easier game to debut in.
Agree... good post and we need bigger, stronger bodies against the D1ckers, but let's not sacrifice our speed... this mob will be worried by our speed. Dinger and Casboult in. Rowe out and ? out.
We should not be aiming to make the 8, we should be aiming to take 6th from the Tiggers.
We should not be aiming to make the 8, we should be aiming to take 6th from the Tiggers.
We should be focusing solely on winning every game from here on. Nothing less.
I have the view that Dinger is all bash and crash with too little sophistication.
I love Rowe, I would have him as CHB in the Northern Blues. That is where we may need him. I have serious doubts that Watson can stand up against serious opposition. With Hendo needed up forward, we need a competitive tall CHB
I would bring LeviC back in. He is a seriously good clunker in the marking duels.
A little weak in the ruck, but he has the potential to nullify good ruckmen.
I would fit Nick Graham into next week's team. We run with good stoppers in Carrazzo, Curnow and Carcia but we need dashers as well. Nick is ready for a game and time for giving a new guy a run is almost at an end.
I will bet money that either Bell or Graham comes in this week. I doubt both will against Freo. Bell is the hardened body, graham may get a chance against the bulldogs.
carrazzo will get one more. Robbo or Lucas will go. I suspect Robbo. I know Robbo is a hard nut, but he doesn't get enough of it to worry oppositions. The hit on ablett was the first I can remember that didn't result in robbo getting concussion. Oppositions just don't respect him. Bell obviously can find the ball, so he will hurt opposition midfielders physically, more often.... Maybe just not as spectacularly. Rowe will find it very difficult to hold his place based on last week. Levi has been outing his hand up each week in the VFL. Could hendo Rowe and cas play up there? Risky but with Waite unlikely to be back anytime soon, then maybe. Especially if we can sub one of them early if required.
I would bring LeviC back in. He is a seriously good clunker in the marking duels.
But precious littl;e point being a seriously good clunker if you can't finish on the scoreboard...... Levi remains a WIP granted.
I will bet money that either Bell or Graham comes in this week. I doubt both will against Freo. Bell is the hardened body, graham may get a chance against the bulldogs.
I've mentioned this before somewhere, Bell doesn't seem to be MM's fav and has hardly set the world alight in the chances he's been given. I reckon we give Graham a shot for sure but I can't see him getting a game ahead of Lucas or Robbo. He may need to wait for an injury to have his turn.
206 torched him at Paterson Stadium in 2011
Wasn't that back when Sandilands was suffering turf toe, even so I think at best he broke even?
Maybe you mean another year, but I think Sandilands has been close to BOG in 4 of our last six encounters! So perhaps a break even is a win!
No it was 2011, I went went over for the game, Robbie played very well more than matched it with Lurch. In fact, I gave Robbie the points and thought he was instrumental in our win that day.
Warnock smacked everyone in 2011. Had a good year.
It is amazing how the mind can play tricks and also the effects of Navy Blue goggles!
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Warnock only got a single vote on our site, Rnd 21 2011 and wasn't listed in the media archives I can find, Sandilands was listed by some media among Freos best even though they lost!
As for 206, he did have a good 2011 but not against Sandilands.
Interesting to hear Cam Mooney saying that they always were told when playing against Carlton that if you beat them in one-on-one contests, their mids won't run back into defence with much vigour. That's an area he says MM is working on, but it is still an issue. More specifically on Bryce Gibbs, he notes that he has to get far more ball on his own.
Interesting to hear Cam Mooney saying that they always were told when playing against Carlton that if you beat them in one-on-one contests, their mids won't run back into defence with much vigour. That's an area he says MM is working on, but it is still an issue. More specifically on Bryce Gibbs, he notes that he has to get far more ball on his own.
Not sure that I agree with that Mav; Malthouse seems to be using Gibbs more in a defensive, shut down role.
Interesting to hear Cam Mooney saying that they always were told when playing against Carlton that if you beat them in one-on-one contests, their mids won't run back into defence with much vigour. That's an area he says MM is working on, but it is still an issue. More specifically on Bryce Gibbs, he notes that he has to get far more ball on his own.
Not sure that I agree with that Mav; Malthouse seems to be using Gibbs more in a defensive, shut down role.
I know I saw someone suggest Gibbs on Mayne this week and sort of shook my head (not at the poster) at the fact that our number one draft pick full of skill and class but with little or no heart has been developed into a run with player.
I will bet money that either Bell or Graham comes in this week. I doubt both will against Freo. Bell is the hardened body, graham may get a chance against the bulldogs.
I've mentioned this before somewhere, Bell doesn't seem to be MM's fav and has hardly set the world alight in the chances he's been given. I reckon we give Graham a shot for sure but I can't see him getting a game ahead of Lucas or Robbo. He may need to wait for an injury to have his turn.
Malthouse singled Bell out for his performance on Sunday and, unless he's laying a smokescreen, I expect Bell will be in the 22 for the Freo game.
Replacing who DJC?
Replacing who DJC?
I think he means Carrazzo, who I thought got better as the game wore on lastSaturday.
Replacing who DJC?
I think he means Carrazzo, who I thought got better as the game wore on lastSaturday.
I suspect Lucas might get a rest this week, he looked sore the last couple of weeks and struggled to get into the game after that bump he took. He had less impact than Cachia!
If he does replace Lucas then Bell better lift his ball use efficiency as Lucas is a mile ahead and that is nothing to be proud of!
Replacing who DJC?
I think he means Carrazzo, who I thought got better as the game wore on lastSaturday.
Absolutely he did... His first half was terrible, but his second half he really worked himself back into the game.
He wont be going anywhere.
People are forgetting McInnes, he would be stiff not to come straight back in after a week off.
And of the 2s, Duigan has probably played his three best games in a row for some time, two of them as a half forward!
Replacing who DJC?
I think he means Carrazzo, who I thought got better as the game wore on lastSaturday.
Absolutely he did... His first half was terrible, but his second half he really worked himself back into the game.
He wont be going anywhere.
I actually watched it again, he made one blunder and was beaten one on one in a once off contest with a player he should have beaten. Being Andrew Carrazzo he will always have his past detractors just waiting for an error or two to write him off or have him dropped. Some of his work in defence in the second half was awesome. That tap to the advantage in the last term was pure brilliance.
Replacing who DJC?
I think he means Carrazzo, who I thought got better as the game wore on lastSaturday.
Absolutely he did... His first half was terrible, but his second half he really worked himself back into the game.
He wont be going anywhere.
I actually watched it again, he made one blunder and was beaten one on one in a once off contest with a player he should have beaten. Being Andrew Carrazzo he will always have his past detractors just waiting for an error or two to write him off or have him dropped. Some of his work in defence in the second half was awesome. That tap to the advantage in the last term was pure brilliance.
So was the half smothered kick to McLean ;)
Carrots is certainly not anywhere near his best at the moment , but neither was Simmo early in the season , and he has come back with a vengeance ..
So will Carrots . I wouldn't be dropping him just yet .
McInnis should come in though if he's right to go .
Not sure that I agree with that Mav; Malthouse seems to be using Gibbs more in a defensive, shut down role.
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I know I saw someone suggest Gibbs on Mayne this week and sort of shook my head (not at the poster) at the fact that our number one draft pick full of skill and class but with little or no heart has been developed into a run with player.
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Pre-season (as with many past pre-seasons) Gibbs was "going to get a good run in the mid-field". Then, all year, he lines up at half back. This, then allows EVERY coach to push his man to the goal square, and we have our classiest player sitting in a back pocket. It happens every week and Malthouse does nothing about it. I know it is because Malthouse thinks he needs Gibbs' cool head and class in the back half, but we really are robbing ourselves of an offensive weapon. Even when he is occasionally allowed to play on a wing or a forward flank, he looks very dangerous, but then the opp coach will recognise this and send his man back to the goal square.
Gibbs is obviously being used to shore up our defence especially now that Lachie has moved forward. Gibbs looks more than happy to play that role too.
Replacing who DJC?
Good question PI2C :-\
I thought Carrazzo improved as the game went on and he's not going to get his touch back in the magoos so I wouldn't drop him. Cachia did OK when he came on so he probably deserves another run. Bootsma was stiff to be ill but Cachia has his spot. That leaves Lucas who barely contributed before and after he took a hit.
Lucas has been good but his form has dropped off and may need to be 'managed', particularly if the hit shook him up as much as it seemed to.
To be honest, if I was on the MC, I'd be looking for an injury to make space for Bell.
Gibbs is obviously being used to shore up our defence especially now that Lachie has moved forward. Gibbs looks more than happy to play that role too.
Hasn't Gibbsy previously said he'd rather play midfield though, but he's happy to help out the team wherever he's needed?
TBH one of Gibbs' most impressive displays I can remember was in the 2011 Elimination Final where he got forward of the centre and took the Bummer apart. I know he's not the most accountable player but surely hje'd do more damage than his direct opponent? Could be time to role the dice. His creativity is wasted chipping sideways in defence.
@DJC
My point exactly, if Lucas isn't injured there's no room.
Gibbs is obviously being used to shore up our defence especially now that Lachie has moved forward. Gibbs looks more than happy to play that role too.
Hasn't Gibbsy previously said he'd rather play midfield though, but he's happy to help out the team wherever he's needed?
TBH one of Gibbs' most impressive displays I can remember was in the 2011 Elimination Final where he got forward of the centre and took the Bummer apart. I know he's not the most accountable player but surely hje'd do more damage than his direct opponent? Could be time to role the dice. His creativity is wasted chipping sideways in defence.
@DJC
My point exactly, if Lucas isn't injured there's no room.
PI2C I think many of us have agreed with your sentiments on Gibbs on previous occasions but for the time being it looks like MM has settled on him for a defensive role. That may change over time I suppose, particularly if we turn up some defenders in the drafts. I think he'll stay primarily in defence for what's left of this year though.
Gibbs is a midfielder who made his name as a U18 player in that position, I dont want him as half back flanker but I think his best work is done playing on one of the opposition best mids ie Goddard...Gibbs can both defend and attack and has great value going forward both creating and kicking goals.....and he doesnt rest forward enough.
Playing him half back is a waste, and just a bandaid for other half backs who cant use the ball properly out of defense....we have never seen the best of Gibbs because we have never played him consistently where he does his best work.
People are forgetting McInnes, he would be stiff not to come straight back in after a week off.
And of the 2s, Duigan has probably played his three best games in a row for some time, two of them as a half forward!
Adrian Hickmott II (or dare I say it - Aaron Hamill)?
Neither of whom were quick both both blooody hard at it.....
People are forgetting McInnes, he would be stiff not to come straight back in after a week off.
And of the 2s, Duigan has probably played his three best games in a row for some time, two of them as a half forward!
Adrian Hickmott II (or dare I say it - Aaron Hamill)?
Neither of whom were quick both both blooody hard at it.....
That would be awesome if it turned out - however, Hicky was one of the the best contested marks for size I've ever seen.....and compared to Duigs, was an elite kick for goal. Very, very classy player to go along with the guts.
cheers
Mal.
Interesting on SEN this morning MM commented on what a great performance Carrazzo put in. This was not prompted with a question about Carrazzo, he mentioned 2-3 names off the cuff, Curnow was another.
He also said that it was not likely that Hendo and waite would combine up front and he actually mentioned that Waite would be some chance to play down back as they need a relief ruck and neither Waite nor Hendo can perform that role.
People are forgetting McInnes, he would be stiff not to come straight back in after a week off.
And of the 2s, Duigan has probably played his three best games in a row for some time, two of them as a half forward!
Adrian Hickmott II (or dare I say it - Aaron Hamill)?
Neither of whom were quick both both blooody hard at it.....
That would be awesome if it turned out - however, Hicky was one of the the best contested marks for size I've ever seen.....and compared to Duigs, was an elite kick for goal. Very, very classy player to go along with the guts.
cheers
Mal.
Hickmott was pound for pound one of the best contested marks in the comp. Played well above his height and an etremely reliable kick for goal. Hickmott was an unbelievably talented bottom six player to have. Duigan couldn't tie his shoelaces.
Duigan couldn't tie his shoelaces.
Sometimes, you don't know until you try?
Interesting on SEN this morning MM commented on what a great performance Carrazzo put in. This was not prompted with a question about Carrazzo, he mentioned 2-3 names off the cuff, Curnow was another.
He also said that it was not likely that Hendo and waite would combine up front and he actually mentioned that Waite would be some chance to play down back as they need a relief ruck and neither Waite nor Hendo can perform that role.
Can't believe he won't combine Henderson and Waite up forward. Geelong, Hawthown,and Sydney, 3 top sides, play two ruck and two key forwards. He did it himself at Collingwood with Cloke, Dawes and Brown. Waite's a running, mobile type, not like your traditional key forward. Can be just as easily played as a running, marking 3rd tall. Why not make your forward like as potent as possible. Not sure what Malthouse is thinking of there.
Waite does too many dumb things to be played in defence. Been great up forward though.
@laj
Jim it's well known that MM likes to build the team around a solid defence and I think he would be a bit concerned about us in this area. He's therefore likely looking at options as to how this could be fixed, albeit maybe just for what's left of this year?
Interesting on SEN this morning MM commented on what a great performance Carrazzo put in. This was not prompted with a question about Carrazzo, he mentioned 2-3 names off the cuff, Curnow was another.
He also said that it was not likely that Hendo and waite would combine up front and he actually mentioned that Waite would be some chance to play down back as they need a relief ruck and neither Waite nor Hendo can perform that role.
Can't believe he won't combine Henderson and Waite up forward. Geelong, Hawthown,and Sydney, 3 top sides, play two ruck and two key forwards. He did it himself at Collingwood with Cloke, Dawes and Brown. Waite's a running, mobile type, not like your traditional key forward. Can be just as easily played as a running, marking 3rd tall. Why not make your forward like as potent as possible. Not sure what Malthouse is thinking of there.
Waite does too many dumb things to be played in defence. Been great up forward though.
I disagree. A few years back, when Waitey played CHB a few years back, he was in AA form. I have always said I prefer Waite in defence, majority of his injuries have been sustained while playing as a fwd.
Interesting on SEN this morning MM commented on what a great performance Carrazzo put in. This was not prompted with a question about Carrazzo, he mentioned 2-3 names off the cuff, Curnow was another.
He also said that it was not likely that Hendo and waite would combine up front and he actually mentioned that Waite would be some chance to play down back as they need a relief ruck and neither Waite nor Hendo can perform that role.
Can't believe he won't combine Henderson and Waite up forward. Geelong, Hawthown,and Sydney, 3 top sides, play two ruck and two key forwards. He did it himself at Collingwood with Cloke, Dawes and Brown. Waite's a running, mobile type, not like your traditional key forward. Can be just as easily played as a running, marking 3rd tall. Why not make your forward like as potent as possible. Not sure what Malthouse is thinking of there.
Waite does too many dumb things to be played in defence. Been great up forward though.
Ive been thinking about how to make sense of his comments re this forward setup, and then I remembered who we are talking about here. Its Mick Malthouse. The king of misinformation via the media.
Why formulate a plan that would take everyone by surprise and then spruik it on the radio?
Interesting on SEN this morning MM commented on what a great performance Carrazzo put in. This was not prompted with a question about Carrazzo, he mentioned 2-3 names off the cuff, Curnow was another.
He also said that it was not likely that Hendo and waite would combine up front and he actually mentioned that Waite would be some chance to play down back as they need a relief ruck and neither Waite nor Hendo can perform that role.
Can't believe he won't combine Henderson and Waite up forward. Geelong, Hawthown,and Sydney, 3 top sides, play two ruck and two key forwards. He did it himself at Collingwood with Cloke, Dawes and Brown. Waite's a running, mobile type, not like your traditional key forward. Can be just as easily played as a running, marking 3rd tall. Why not make your forward like as potent as possible. Not sure what Malthouse is thinking of there.
Waite does too many dumb things to be played in defence. Been great up forward though.
I disagree. A few years back, when Waitey played CHB a few years back, he was in AA form. I have always said I prefer Waite in defence, majority of his injuries have been sustained while playing as a fwd.
Big, strong forwards take him apart. Jono Brown revelled playing on Waite. Does too many dumb things in defence. Way more value as a forward. As the 3rd forward, rather than the key forward, he may not get the same injuries. Why not make you forward line as potent as possible. Works for the top sides.
Waite Casboult/Rowe Yarran
Betts Henderson Garlett
Much better than putting Waite back in defence.
Glad to see Curnow get some sugar for his game, it was the best for the club by some margin.
He actually started hurting the opposition not just tagging Ablett, and this was good to see. Even when Ablett did get off the leash it was well away from anywhere he could do us any real harm.
As for this week, bring Duigan in and issue one clear instruction to the HB and midfield group. Sit the ball on Sandilands head at CHF, and clear a path for Duigs! ;D
@laj
Jim it's well known that MM likes to build the team around a solid defence and I think he would be a bit concerned about us in this area. He's therefore likely looking at options as to how this could be fixed, albeit maybe just for what's left of this year?
He also went Cloke, Dawes and Brown in his forward line that won a flag.
Not sure Waite would be that solid in defence. Often played well as a sweeping type and played well on certain type of key forwards like Riewoldt but got monstered by the likes of Brown. Then there was the dumb turnovers, which cost us goals. We got Watson time to develop him. Still yet to let anyone down in the seniors. You're not going to build a team around a 30yo injury key defender.
@laj
Jim it's well known that MM likes to build the team around a solid defence and I think he would be a bit concerned about us in this area. He's therefore likely looking at options as to how this could be fixed, albeit maybe just for what's left of this year?
He also went Cloke, Dawes and Brown in his forward line that won a flag.
Not sure Waite would be that solid in defence. Often played well as a sweeping type and played well on certain type of key forwards like Riewoldt but got monstered by the likes of Brown. Then there was the dumb turnovers, which cost us goals. We got Watson time to develop him. Still yet to let anyone down in the seniors. You're not going to build a team around a 30yo injury key defender.
Maybe its a question of if Waite can play with another key forward...I dont remember Fev and Waite playing too many blinders together ....I think Waite could do a Nick Reiwoldt and lead player/s up the ground and give Henderson the space to work in. What I dont want to see is both of them at the top of the goalsquare getting in each othesr road and dragging their defender on top of the other player.
One needs to sacrifice for the other IMO and I reckon Waite would do better playing up the ground leaving Hendo one out...
I think the forward line is functioning better now than it has all season and Malthouse would be reluctant to go back to his earlier structures that didn't work as well. That means that we have to have one key forward who can spell Kreuzer from time to time and that has to be one of Rowe, Hampson or Casboult (with Rowein favour at the moment).
I suspect Waite will be used as a swingman when he comes back. That will provide more flexibility and more options for Malthouse and, hopefully, headaches for the opposition.
VFL has suspended Duigan for striking - two weeks.
VFL has suspended Duigan for striking - two weeks.
Ferk me, it must be full of Freo apologists.
@laj
Jim it's well known that MM likes to build the team around a solid defence and I think he would be a bit concerned about us in this area. He's therefore likely looking at options as to how this could be fixed, albeit maybe just for what's left of this year?
He also went Cloke, Dawes and Brown in his forward line that won a flag.
Not sure Waite would be that solid in defence. Often played well as a sweeping type and played well on certain type of key forwards like Riewoldt but got monstered by the likes of Brown. Then there was the dumb turnovers, which cost us goals. We got Watson time to develop him. Still yet to let anyone down in the seniors. You're not going to build a team around a 30yo injury key defender.
Maybe its a question of if Waite can play with another key forward...I dont remember Fev and Waite playing too many blinders together ....I think Waite could do a Nick Reiwoldt and lead player/s up the ground and give Henderson the space to work in. What I dont want to see is both of them at the top of the goalsquare getting in each othesr road and dragging their defender on top of the other player.
One needs to sacrifice for the other IMO and I reckon Waite would do better playing up the ground leaving Hendo one out...
Fev often played with Whitnall with Waite either the 3rd tall running, marking forward or in the midfield before later on going to defence. Not sure they played much together as CHF/FF.
Yes, Waite would do well leading up the ground as the 3rd tall.
Apparently there is a round of footy this weekend :))
I reckon MM might pull a surprise and bring in Warnock and/or Casboult as he had a good game on the weekend. Can't see him bring in young inexperience players (eg. Graham/Menzel) against Freo.
Hard to see who will be omitted but if Warnock or Casboult comes in then then I reckon its Lucas & Rowe even possibly Betts.
Apparently there is a round of footy this weekend :))
I reckon MM might pull a surprise and bring in Warnock and/or Casboult as he had a good game on the weekend. Can't see him bring in young inexperience players (eg. Graham/Menzel) against Freo.
Hard to see who will be omitted but if Warnock or Casboult comes in then then I reckon its Lucas & Rowe even possibly Betts.
Amazing - the footy season is still on!
Crazy what those little peptides do to your thought processes..... :o
No change for us
Ballantyne in for them
Kreuzer all day versus Sandilands and Clarke?
Kreuzer all day versus Sandilands and Clarke?
Kreuzer and Rowe v Lurch and Clarke
Kreuzer all day versus Sandilands and Clarke?
You do what every other side does, you rove to the opposition ruck. Sandilands dominates the ruck but often when he plays Freo get smacked in the clearances as it's so predictable.
A longer wait on waite?
A longer wait on waite?
Saving him for the finals - if we make it? ;)
Staying with the three run-with players - play Freo at their own tight game.
As discussed earlier, it was difficult to identify anyone to omit and I think that it is a good thing that the MC has confidence in the 22 that did well last game.
I was half expecting to see Bell and Warnock come in. However, to have made those changes would have been a sign that we trying to counter Freo. No change implies that we're not that concerned about matching up with Freo and they should be concerned about us.
We are fortunate that Freo have a couple of key players out. The mighty Blues by 3 goals.
Kreuzer all day versus Sandilands and Clarke?
Kreuzer and Rowe v Lurch and Clarke
Let him win the tap and then just run him off his feet around the ground, especially moving forward. Sandilands is slower than me.....and that's slow
Our speed and quick accurate ball movement will be key against this mob, they are the no.1 defensive side in the comp. Gotta spread them and run hard to be any chance.
Our speed and quick accurate ball movement will be key against this mob, they are the no.1 defensive side in the comp. Gotta spread them and run hard to be any chance.
I'm happy with this under one condition. We better be prepared to run hard back the other way if we turn the ball over. they are fit and run well when they are on fire. We need to grab every opportunity and score the 6 points. They are a very defensive side and they will try to dry up our supply of the pill in the forward 50m. I'm confident we can and should win this game. Just score the easy shots on goal. make every score count. Go get em guys. Drill them a new one.
Etihad Stadium, Saturday 7:40pm AEST
CARLTON
B: Robinson, Jamison, Henderson
HB: Tuohy, Watson, Gibbs
C: Yarran, Judd, Simpson
HF: Curnow, Walker, Garlett
F: McLean, Rowe, Scotland
Foll: Kreuzer, Betts, Murphy
I/C: Carrazzo, Lucas, Cachia, Armfield
Emg: Graham, Menzel, Joseph
In: -
Out: -
FREMANTLE
B: Taberner, Dawson, Ibbotson
HB: Spurr, Johnson, Duffield
C: Mzungu, Crowley, Hill
HF: Mundy, Mayne, C. Pearce
F: Walters, Clarke, Ballantyne
Foll: Sandilands, Barlow, Fyfe
I/C: Neale, Suban, de Boer, D. Pearce
Emg: Sutcliffe, Silvagni, Sheridan
In: Ballantyne
Out: Sutcliffe
I look at this and I am unconvinced. They are expecting a lot of Kreuzer. Two weeks ago I thought we had lost the game at the selection table: this week I just hope they know what they are doing. And I doubt it. But what do I know?
I reckon there will a late change or two withbGraham and/or Menzel will play.
Well no changes is certainly a surprise - to me.
Maybe MM has seen enough of the list and happy to settle in the best team he thinks he can put together now :-\
As per previous week, unconvincingly I'll go Blues by >10 pts.
Interesting emergencies... no Bootsma - and he was named last week.
Interesting emergencies... no Bootsma - and he was named last week.
Yes that is interesting - wonder what's going on with this bloke?
We'll all be watching Rowe closely this week. Last week he was very close to being a liability, whilst Casboult from all reports was very good again in the Reserves.
Graham is also unlucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is only considered as a replacement for McLean.
Where are McInnes and Waite?
We'll all be watching Rowe closely this week. Last week he was very close to being a liability, whilst Casboult from all reports was very good again in the Reserves.
Graham is also unlucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is only considered as a replacement for McLean.
Where are McInnes and Waite?
Graham's problem is pace...good ball winner and you need your in and under types but Cachia, Curnow, Mclean, Carrazzo in the one team is in cricket terms very medium paced.
I think Graham will be a good senior player but may have to wait his chance...
re: Rowe...fair points, dont know about a liability...he didnt have the ball enough to be a liability and was more of a passenger.
However he has been signed for next season and Casboult would be thinking he is now fighting for his spot on the list unless both Hampson and Warnock get traded out.....
@EB1
I think it would be unwise to trade out both Hampson and Warnock this time around EB. I think we'll keep one of them as backup for Kreuz and maybe recruit a new young project ruckman for the longer term.
As far as Casboult is concerned, reports indicate he is working on his kicking and making improvements so maybe he'll be given another 12 months?
I'm not going to be confident until Brettie gives Freo the kiss of death.
Sorry mbb.....I've got nothing but good feelings about this week. Win this and we make the 8 on merit......very good feelings......
I'm not going to be confident until Brettie gives Freo the kiss of death.
Sorry mbb.....I've got nothing but good feelings about this week. Win this and we make the 8 on merit......very good feelings......
Well....... I had a good feeling......... Until NOW!!!
Based upon Mick Comments from Pie days I believe the team you see now is ultimately what he will try and carry to finals if we make them. He has also alluded (in the past) to that he wont make major or drastic changes. There will never be more than a couple of changes a week and is always based around a squad of 25-28 players at this time of year.
Therefore guys like Graham, Menzal, Buckley, Bell ect may warrant selection but may not be considered part of that squad.
It may be different In our case. But apart form Waite & McInnes I think Mick believes this is the best structure he has to work with based upon his current list.
We'll all be watching Rowe closely this week. Last week he was very close to being a liability, whilst Casboult from all reports was very good again in the Reserves.
Graham is also unlucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is only considered as a replacement for McLean.
Where are McInnes and Waite?
Graham's problem is pace...good ball winner and you need your in and under types but Cachia, Curnow, Mclean, Carrazzo in the one team is in cricket terms very medium paced.
I think Graham will be a good senior player but may have to wait his chance...
re: Rowe...fair points, dont know about a liability...he didnt have the ball enough to be a liability and was more of a passenger.
However he has been signed for next season and Casboult would be thinking he is now fighting for his spot on the list unless both Hampson and Warnock get traded out.....
Sam Mitchel is slow
We'll all be watching Rowe closely this week. Last week he was very close to being a liability, whilst Casboult from all reports was very good again in the Reserves.
Graham is also unlucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is only considered as a replacement for McLean.
Where are McInnes and Waite?
Graham's problem is pace...good ball winner and you need your in and under types but Cachia, Curnow, Mclean, Carrazzo in the one team is in cricket terms very medium paced.
I think Graham will be a good senior player but may have to wait his chance...
re: Rowe...fair points, dont know about a liability...he didnt have the ball enough to be a liability and was more of a passenger.
However he has been signed for next season and Casboult would be thinking he is now fighting for his spot on the list unless both Hampson and Warnock get traded out.....
Sam Mitchel is slow
Agree he is slow...I;m not saying there isnt a place for Graham and like I said I am a fan but we have too many who are his pace....if Graham comes in then I think you need to lose one of the players I mentioned.
If you look at Freo they have some slow movers onball in Barlow, Crowley etc but balance that out with players like Fyfe, Hill, Mundy who have more pace..I just want us to have a balanced midfield group and not all of the one type.
We'll all be watching Rowe closely this week. Last week he was very close to being a liability, whilst Casboult from all reports was very good again in the Reserves.
Graham is also unlucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is only considered as a replacement for McLean.
Where are McInnes and Waite?
Graham's problem is pace...good ball winner and you need your in and under types but Cachia, Curnow, Mclean, Carrazzo in the one team is in cricket terms very medium paced.
I think Graham will be a good senior player but may have to wait his chance...
re: Rowe...fair points, dont know about a liability...he didnt have the ball enough to be a liability and was more of a passenger.
However he has been signed for next season and Casboult would be thinking he is now fighting for his spot on the list unless both Hampson and Warnock get traded out.....
Sam Mitchel is slow
So were Greg Williams and Leigh Matthews, but I try and fit them in!
I'm not going to be confident until Brettie gives Freo the kiss of death.
Sorry mbb.....I've got nothing but good feelings about this week. Win this and we make the 8 on merit......very good feelings......
SH1Te! now i'm really worried.
I'm not going to be confident until Brettie gives Freo the kiss of death.
Sorry mbb.....I've got nothing but good feelings about this week. Win this and we make the 8 on merit......very good feelings......
How you figure that Brettie? We are still relying on catching a game up on Port along the journey (which we can do against them in the last round).
No certainties to make the 8 at all.
Great chance to make it 4 in a row 8)
I'm not going to be confident until Brettie gives Freo the kiss of death.
Sorry mbb.....I've got nothing but good feelings about this week. Win this and we make the 8 on merit......very good feelings......
I have zero confidence, so I'll hitch my trailer to yours Brettie.
I'll be putting some coin on the Crows tomorrow
I'll be putting some coin on the Crows tomorrow
I hope it comes good for you Maverick, but I think Port will have the Cows measure. :(
Blues 1.85, Freo 2.00
Port 1.77, Crows 2.10
LAST FIVE TIMESR14, 2009, Carlton 16.19 (115) d Fremantle 15.10 (100) at Patersons Stadium
R13, 2010, Fremantle 14.12 (96) d Carlton 12.15 (87) at Etihad Stadium
R22, 2010, Fremantle 13.15 (93) d Carlton 13.9 (87) at Patersons Stadium
R21, 2011, Carlton 16.19 (115) d Fremantle 12.13 (85) at Patersons Stadium
R5, 2012, Carlton 10.5 (65) d Fremantle 7.15 (57) at Patersons Stadium
THE SIX POINTS1. When the two sides last clashed – in round five last year at Patersons Stadium – Carlton won a low-scoring contest by eight points and Kade Simpson (the fourth-ranked Blue at No. 69 in the Official AFL Player Ratings) starred with 35 possessions and 13 marks.
2. The Blues have won the past two contests between the sides but since 2009 it’s three wins apiece.
3. This will be just their fourth meeting at Etihad Stadium and the Dockers hold a 2-1 advantage. They have all been close encounters, decided by 18, nine and nine points. 4. Both have good recent records at Etihad Stadium - Freo has won its past four games there, while Carlton has won four of its past five.
5. Fremantle is the most miserly team in the AFL, conceding just 70 points a game, compared to Carlton’s 87.
6. Carlton is ranked equal-second in contested possessions; Fremantle is 11th.[/quote]/www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2013/19/carl-v-fre]http:/ (http://http:/[quote)
LAST FIVE TIMES
R14, 2009, Carlton 16.19 (115) d Fremantle 15.10 (100) at Patersons Stadium
R13, 2010, Fremantle 14.12 (96) d Carlton 12.15 (87) at Etihad Stadium
R22, 2010, Fremantle 13.15 (93) d Carlton 13.9 (87) at Patersons Stadium
R21, 2011, Carlton 16.19 (115) d Fremantle 12.13 (85) at Patersons Stadium
R5, 2012, Carlton 10.5 (65) d Fremantle 7.15 (57) at Patersons Stadium
THE SIX POINTS
1. When the two sides last clashed – in round five last year at Patersons Stadium – Carlton won a low-scoring contest by eight points and Kade Simpson (the fourth-ranked Blue at No. 69 in the Official AFL Player Ratings) starred with 35 possessions and 13 marks.
2. The Blues have won the past two contests between the sides but since 2009 it’s three wins apiece.
3. This will be just their fourth meeting at Etihad Stadium and the Dockers hold a 2-1 advantage. They have all been close encounters, decided by 18, nine and nine points.
4. Both have good recent records at Etihad Stadium - Freo has won its past four games there, while Carlton has won four of its past five.
5. Fremantle is the most miserly team in the AFL, conceding just 70 points a game, compared to Carlton’s 87.
6. Carlton is ranked equal-second in contested possessions; Fremantle is 11th.
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Wow for once we play them in Melbourne.
This will be just their fourth meeting at Etihad Stadium and the Dockers hold a 2-1 advantage. They have all been close encounters, decided by 18, nine and nine points.
4th meeting but it stands 2-1?
2 + 1 = 3
:o
This will be just their fourth meeting at Etihad Stadium and the Dockers hold a 2-1 advantage. They have all been close encounters, decided by 18, nine and nine points.
4th meeting but it stands 2-1?
2 + 1 = 3
:o
But after the game ie their fourth meeting the score will hopefully stand at 2-2, which equals 4. ;D ;)
Might put some money on a Freo and Port double to numb the pain.
We should win tonight with Freo missing their two bookends, no excuses really. If we turn up to play we win this IMO. Big games needed from Judd, Carrazzo and Murphy. The rest will take care of itself.
This will be just their fourth meeting at Etihad Stadium and the Dockers hold a 2-1 advantage. They have all been close encounters, decided by 18, nine and nine points.
4th meeting but it stands 2-1?
2 + 1 = 3
:o
But after the game ie their fourth meeting the score will hopefully stand at 2-2, which equals 4. ;D ;)
oops - too many wines watching the cricket till all hours..... :-[ :-[ :-[
We should win tonight with Freo missing their two bookends, no excuses really. If we turn up to play we win this IMO. Big games needed from Judd, Carrazzo and Murphy. The rest will take care of itself.
We need them to chase the game. If they stay in front they just lock the game up and suffocate teams. If they have to chase a score then their defencive side of the game breaks down a little (Richmond gme). Game will be won in the midfield.
50/50 this game..Freo have had a good year and deserve to be favourites IMO. , we also are consistent at being knocked over by the better teams.
Kruezer and Judd need to play blinders IMO....Judd needs to turn the tables on Crowley who has been his master and Kruezer needs to negate the Giant and win some footy around the ground ,run the big Freo ruckman into the ground, and make that crook toe of his hurt bad...
50/50 this game..Freo have had a good year and deserve to be favourites IMO. , we also are consistent at being knocked over by the better teams.
Kruezer and Judd need to play blinders IMO....Judd needs to turn the tables on Crowley who has been his master and Kruezer needs to negate the Giant and win some footy around the ground ,run the big Freo ruckman into the ground, and make that crook toe of his hurt bad...
Stomp on that toe just to make sure. I get a feeling Judd and Kreuzer will do just fine. Mick will have a small fine tune on the game plan to take it out of Freos hands. They are not to full strength and its time to belt them a beauty. Especially if we can get them turning over the footy. Keep the pressure up and the game will swing our way. Betts needs to play for his contract. Yarran has a point or two to prove. Judd has been quiet for too many games. This is the one. This is the game that sets us up for potential finals. Hawks and Cats have been rolled by the Tigers and Roos. Its the week of sides beating teams above them on the ladder. ;)