http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-13/take-a-hard-look
maybe Sav Rocca can teach Levi to kick. Hard task ahead I say
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-13/take-a-hard-look
All sounded a bit wishy washy as usual - not a lot in that to inspire me.
Interestingly it stated that yet another ex Maggie has joined the club, this time the big Saveloy, Sav Rocca no less, as part time goalkicking coach for Levi.
Why?
The coach has written them off.
They are not good enough, Micks already told us.
Judds our only mid, Micks already told us.
No more self examination required. Just sign MM up for 10 years and screw everyone off.
We need to put in a good show. You can't have the captain come out like that then whimper away.
Sorry, but is getting Sav proof of how incompetent our club is.
This bloke was not the most accurate kick going around in his day.
FFS. Get Fev to the club. Had one of the best kicking actions out of all the
forwards I have every seen.
Don't get it.
If I knew how to inbed circus music in this post I would.
Sorry, but is getting Sav proof of how incompetent our club is.
This bloke was not the most accurate kick going around in his day.
FFS. Get Fev to the club. Had one of the best kicking actions out of all the
forwards I have every seen.
Don't get it.
If I knew how to inbed circus music in this post I would.
more collingwood ...this is just getting worse ... :-\ :-\
All sounded a bit wishy washy as usual - not a lot in that to inspire me.
Interestingly it stated that yet another ex Maggie has joined the club, this time the big Saveloy, Sav Rocca no less, as part time goalkicking coach for Levi.
I don't mind if it doesn't inspire you Cookie, but I will mind if Murphy and the other leaders don't put a rocket up most of the blokes (as well as each other!). I will also be looking forward to Murphy's comments about taggers being put into action.
Employing Sav as kicking coach is interesting. My first thoughts were along the lines of another ex-Collingwood bloke and one who has been out of the game for a while. However, he was reasonably accurate (around 50%), he successfully changed his kicking to meet NFL requirements, and his NFL career only ended in 2013. I just hope he's a good teacher.
Rocca was a bloody good set shot with a simple, consistent action. We could do worse. At least it is BIG man teaching goal kicking, not some nimble ex midfielder. I have no dramas with this appointment.
Actuallly, all joshing aside, I think that getting Sav to work closely with Levi is a very good idea. As already stated, let's hope he's a good teacher, and that Levi is, correspondingly, a good student.
FFS. Get Fev to the club. Had one of the best kicking actions out of all the
forwards I have every seen.
This!!
I bet they see it like this!
(https://graypoet.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/reflection-in-mirror.jpg)
you have to wonder why the appointment is made AFTER the season has started....
It's hardly a new problem!
First it is good we finally have a kicking coach, whether Sav is the right guy or not we will find out. There are never any guarantees in this sort of thing. secondly, looking in the mirror is a good thing if you are doing an honest self assessment, it is not much good if you are a bunch of narcissists or if you are into self loathing. What we need is for a bunch of players who go in and win the ball and do not have number 5 on there back.
First it is good we finally have a kicking coach, whether Sav is the right guy or not we will find out. There are never any guarantees in this sort of thing. secondly, looking in the mirror is a good thing if you are doing an honest self assessment, it is not much good if you are a bunch of narcissists or if you are into self loathing. What we need is for a bunch of players who go in and win the ball and do not have number 5 on there back.
No creativity with 4 taggers and defensive mids.
Tag Judd we lose because there are no other ball getters.
No creativity with 4 taggers and defensive mids.
Tag Judd we lose because there are no other ball getters.
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At times our game plan looks like we are trying to stop our way to victory!
Can you imagine our pre-game whiteboard?
- We have to stop him
- And we better stop him
- And it's no point stopping them if we don't stop him
- Those blokes need stopping as well
- and FFS don't not stop those others!
- Whoever's left please get the ball!
i could coach against car " get the ball and take off ,play on all times ,tag judd ,game over and this is why we are stuffed for yrs we know casboult carnt kick yet we wait till rd 2 2015 to hire a kicking coach joke
Start by setting the example Murph, talk is cheap.
Start by setting the example Murph, talk is cheap.
X2
Murph had knee surgery in the off season. He misses 4 weeks during Feb / March because of a calf, yet going into rd 1 we hear he's getting his knee drained weeky and is having injections to train/play. I'm not making excuses for him, but how does he come into a season in that state??.
I'm beginning to think the calf was a knee. He certainly looked well short of a run against the tiges, and no better last week.
Start by setting the example Murph, talk is cheap.
x3 and should become x50 by the end of round 3. Don't get all emotional Murph, and then go missing on the weekend. You stated "you" need to lead the team. Then show us and do it. Show us what you are made of. Granite, or fairy floss.
Contradictions and platitudinous clap trap a plenty coming from the club. Malthouse says his contract will be a distraction, Judd and 2E says it won't.
They've been trying for ages to figure out the 20 minutes lapses in concentration - still don't know why.
They've needed strong on field leadership for ages, still can't figure out why they don't have it.
Murphy says Judd needed more protection when he was tagged against WCE - given the fact that this has been happening since Judd got here, you think they would've figured it out by now. Apparently not.
If they haven't sorted these things by now, one wonders if they ever will.
And as an aside, since when do currently listed players pass judgement on the club's recruiting and trades ? I read an article where Judd was giving his 2 cents worth on these issues. Irrespective on whether you agree with his opinions or not, it's completely out of order. He can have whatever opinions he likes, but why make them public ? I worship the ground he walks on, but he's overstepped the mark in my opinion. Pull yer head in Judd.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-11/players-not-micks-contract-the-problem-says-judd
Who the bloody hell is in charge ? Is anybody running the show ?
@ Paul
The word you're looking for mate is "rabble".
@ Paul
The word you're looking for mate is "rabble".
Actually, rabble probably is the word I could use to summarize all that.
And maybe another phrase to go with it - "institutionalized mediocrity"
Starting to smell like a player revolt?
Starting to smell like a player revolt?
Not surprising.
General consensus is Ratten's blood was on their hands, and now it looks like a few are ensuring this ends up the same.
I hope the club has figured out that this group care more about themselves than they do each other or the jumper.
I'm beginning to think the calf was a knee. He certainly looked well short of a run against the tiges, and no better last week.
The talk before the game was that he could miss because he hurt a knee at training.
@Paul you can't expect the players not to comment on a question like that. We know how it would be interpreted. If he didn't endorse the coach - how could Mick play him? That's why you can't read too much into comments like that.
If he says the contract is a distraction, how can that not pressure the club?
@Paul you can't expect the players not to comment on a question like that. We know how it would be interpreted. If he didn't endorse the coach - how could Mick play him? That's why you can't read too much into comments like that.
I agree about endorsing the coach - this is standard issue stuff from players these days.
What I have an issue with are his comments (brief and paraphrased as they are) regarding our recruiting and trades (the last 2 sentences of the article).
The talk before the game was that he could miss because he hurt a knee at training.
Murphy's not fit - they showed vision of him training the day before the game and he slightly twisted and was in agony hobbling through a simple run and kick.
you have to wonder why the appointment is made AFTER the season has started....
It's hardly a new problem!
Exactly - the horse has well and truly bolted. Should of been fixed years ago.
I agree about endorsing the coach - this is standard issue stuff from players these days.
What I have an issue with are his comments (brief and paraphrased as they are) regarding our recruiting and trades (the last 2 sentences of the article).
Looks like more towing the company line... as Judd does.
the horse has well and truly bolted.
;D
Looks like more towing the company line... as Judd does.
You're right IOT - it is this week's official CFC policy. But it is tantamount to dissing some of his current teammates, and dissing recruiters and other at the club. As much as I love Judd, it is out of any players jurisdiction to be making public his thoughts on these issues. Behind closed doors, by all means, let fly like Mussolini from the tower, give everybody both barrels. Just don't do it publicly.
Judd walks in rarefied air, but he is still a servant of the CFC.
Forget having a hard look in the mirror....We need a harder captain and some harder players, ...
Not surprising.
General consensus is Ratten's blood was on their hands, and now it looks like a few are ensuring this ends up the same.
I hope the club has figured out that this group care more about themselves than they do each other or the jumper.
Nothing seems to have changed. Or any slight improvement the group has made pales in insignificance, compared to the other clubs in the comp.
How many coaches will it take?
I'm still of the opinion we should just get the best available assistant out there as the next coach (once Mick is shown the door).
Forget having a hard look in the mirror....We need a harder captain and some harder players, ...
And footy Ops manager and List manager that are insightful, tough and ruthless. They MUST be the bosses.
Everyone is putting crap on MM but the club and structure needs to be solid.
The coach should only be the icing on the cake, not making recruiting and list decisions.
The Hawks, Cats and Swans worked this out years ago.
And footy Ops manager and List manager that are insightful, tough and ruthless. They MUST be the bosses.
Everyone is putting crap on MM but the club and structure needs to be solid.
The coach should only be the icing on the cake, not making recruiting and list decisions.
The Hawks, Cats and Swans worked this out years ago.
i would trade out Andrew Mckay as well...
i would trade out Andrew Mckay as well...
I would love to see an non Carlton person in this position.
45 -50 Years old, who does not care if the coach doesn't like his decisions, and is happy to tell the coach what is expected.
I would love to see an non Carlton person in this position.
45 -50 Years old, who does not care if the coach doesn't like his decisions, and is happy to tell the coach what is expected.
and is also not a premiership player mate of the president...
The present crisis is ultimately a massive test for the President and CEO of our club and the final wash-up will be a demonstration of their calibre. We are at the tipping point of the new era, whether it is going to be more successful or just more mediocrity is up to them, a very heavy responsibility.
Best case outcome, we face a few more years of hard work and patience, worst case we face an unknown period of more of the same pain and uncertainty.
Sacking/not renewing MM is a looong way from being a complete solution and if just that happens without the other vital reforms and everyone breathes a sigh of relief and sits back again to enjoy the ride with a replacement coach, then heaven help us.
i would trade out Andrew Mckay as well...
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The present crisis is ultimately a massive test for the President and CEO of our club and the final wash-up will be a demonstration of their calibre. We are at the tipping point of the new era, whether it is going to be more successful or just more mediocrity is up to them, a very heavy responsibility.
Best case outcome, we face a few more years of hard work and patience, worst case we face an unknown period of more of the same pain and uncertainty.
Sacking/not renewing MM is a looong way from being a complete solution and if just that happens without the other vital reforms and everyone breathes a sigh of relief and sits back again to enjoy the ride with a replacement coach, then heaven help us.
agree....imo there a more board changes that are needed, new internal people required...new players, massive development program at the reserves...the entire Business of the club needs much more work...
The present crisis is ultimately a massive test for the President and CEO of our club and the final wash-up will be a demonstration of their calibre. We are at the tipping point of the new era, whether it is going to be more successful or just more mediocrity is up to them, a very heavy responsibility.
Best case outcome, we face a few more years of hard work and patience, worst case we face an unknown period of more of the same pain and uncertainty.
Sacking/not renewing MM is a looong way from being a complete solution and if just that happens without the other vital reforms and everyone breathes a sigh of relief and sits back again to enjoy the ride with a replacement coach, then heaven help us.
This was supposed to happen at the end of Ratten's term but if it found that there was mismanagement then that might not have fit well with the people who just wanted to go with their gut and stay in power.
This was supposed to happen at the end of Ratten's term but if it found that there was mismanagement then that might not have fit well with the people who just wanted to go with their gut and stay in power.
Yep I do remember that "comprehensive review" IOT. No details were ever made public of course and it was obviously a crack papering over exercise as the club's belief then was that we were only a bee's d1ck away from a flag. Surely that delusion is no longer rife within board ranks?
I'm beginning to think the calf was a knee. He certainly looked well short of a run against the tiges, and no better last week.
Regardless of whether he hurt his calf (which i believe he did) his knee has been giving him issues for over 12 months now.
Gets a needle and drained regularly.
Put him out to pasture and get it right. We don't need this dragging on all year, and into next year....etc.
Regardless of whether he hurt his calf (which i believe he did) his knee has been giving him issues for over 12 months now.
Gets a needle and drained regularly.
Put him out to pasture and get it right. We don't need this dragging on all year, and into next year....etc.
And give Simmo a run as capt. Could be just the shake up we need.
Regardless of whether he hurt his calf (which i believe he did) his knee has been giving him issues for over 12 months now.
Gets a needle and drained regularly.
Put him out to pasture and get it right. We don't need this dragging on all year, and into next year....etc.
Exactly! We're forked anyway and he's copping it from all sectors. Give the bloke a rest.
And give Simmo a run as capt. Could be just the shake up we need.
Wonder how the two Vice Captains (Gibbs&Jamo) would feel about that though. ;)
Wonder how the two Vice Captains (Gibbs&Jamo) would feel about that though. ;)
Mate, I don't really care! ;)
Mate, I don't really care! ;)
neither do i.. i would drop them both to the ressies ;)
Exactly! We're forked anyway and he's copping it from all sectors. Give the bloke a rest.
Too right. Give him a rest so he can get back into some form later in the season to improve his trade status.
Too right. Give him a rest so he can get back into some form later in the season to improve his trade status.
That wasn't what i had in mind but anyway. :P
I was watching "On the couch" today. Heally, Brown and Dunstall each thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to consider swapping a few players for 1st round draft picks. Most of the players we would trade wouldn't have huge value, so that leaves Murphy and Gibbs. Not saying we should do it. Brown believes we have blundered up our picks up for nearly 10 years. He said we really only have a small handful of players that can return good results.
Too right. Give him a rest so he can get back into some form later in the season to improve his trade status.
Is there a precedent where a club trades their Captain for the benefit of list development? I think that would send a terrible message to both our supporters and the football public in general. By all means if he's not the best man to be skipper then we could look at another to step into the role but you don't trade your Captain.
Is there a precedent where a club trades their Captain for the benefit of list development?
Unfortunately there is. The Doggies traded Griiffen didn't they?
Unfortunately there is. The Doggies traded Griiffen didn't they?
Not for the benefit of list development though. He quit the club over McCartney so it was only common sense that the dogs sought appropriate compensation. If Murph was to do the same I'd have no problem, but to trade a Captain who wants to be here would be poor form.
We brought MK back to play a couple of NB games at the end of the year when we were hovering around the bottom 4. Can't see Murphy getting a rest :(
If we indeed change our coach then it would also be a good time to review the captaincy and leadership group.