St. Kilda slid to an ignominious defeat while we came back hard at the Drug Cheats. Very interesting to see how we go next week.
Fairly confident we will win this.
Mick has plenty of experience coaching on Anzac Day, if he can't get the boys up for this one we are in big trouble.
Not feeling confident about this game. We turnover the ball too frequently currently and often do it in transition from defense to offence so that we become easy to score against on the turnover.
Yarran out, Gibbs possibly missing with a high bump, and it could spell trouble.
St Kilda move the ball quickly and could run us out of legs in the second half of the game next week. They are not a great side by any measure. However they love to move the ball quickly. If we win it will probably be a very close game.
We need to keep it close in the first half and hopefully the Saints will tire in the second half as they did on Friday. If we don't pay 'em attention they can score quickly.
Not feeling confident about this game. We turnover the ball too frequently currently and often do it in transition from defense to offence so that we become easy to score against on the turnover.
Yarran out, Gibbs possibly missing with a high bump, and it could spell trouble.
Wow didn't think about that. We need to win this or risk being labeled the basketcase of the AFL.
Bit of a 'danger game' for us this week.
Should win, but a couple of big outs via the tribunal.
Playing in a different country for the first time ever.
Playing on a new ground for the first time ever which brings with it its own challenges, different dimensions, different winds, different turf. Saints will have a distinct home ground advantage.
Could be getting a well rested Nick Riewoldt back as well.
Bit of a 'danger game' for us this week.
Should win, but a couple of big outs via the tribunal.
Playing in a different country for the first time ever.
Playing on a new ground for the first time ever which brings with it its own challenges, different dimensions, different winds, different turf. Saints will have a distinct home ground advantage.
Could be getting a well rested Nick Riewoldt back as well.
Bit of a danger game ;D. That's funny.
Putting all the spin aside we lose again next week we are not a bottom 4 team but a bottom 2 team. End of story.
Enough of the excuses - 3 weeks ago the majority of us on here thought we would be a mid table team at worse.
Now we are finding reasons why we might lose to the clear favorite to win the spoon this year :-\
Look what we have become.
St Kilda move the ball quickly and could run us out of legs in the second half of the game next week. They are not a great side by any measure. However they love to move the ball quickly. If we win it will probably be a very close game.
Agree....think the Saints best chance is their pace and quick movement and to catch us on the rebound, I expect us to win the clearances but its all about our ball use into the
forward line..I'll have a punt and say that Jones will kick 4-5 this week and we will win in a close one by about 10 points.
Prefer if Reiwoldt didnt play......but I think with the injection of our own youth in Whiley, Boekhorst, Graham and perhaps Buckley in line for a game coupled with the classy Cripps, promising Byrne
and some steady older players we can get over the line...
Footy NZ must be in a state of breathless anticipation with the thought of these two footballing juggernauts coming to town.
Footy NZ must be in a state of breathless anticipation with the thought of these two footballing juggernauts coming to town.
:))
The two ragged asses of the league banished to the outer reaches of the AFL empire.
Bit of a danger game ;D. That's funny.
Putting all the spin aside we lose again next week we are not a bottom 4 team but a bottom 2 team. End of story.
Enough of the excuses - 3 weeks ago the majority of us on here thought we would be a mid table team at worse.
Now we are finding reasons why we might lose to the clear favorite to win the spoon this year :-\
Look what we have become.
You do have a point, Shawny. I know I thought we were a reasonable chance to be nearer the Eight. But at the moment I fear any team. Even now that we are 'favourites'.
I can only hope that the occasion will bring out our best, instead of our worst.
Yarran and Gibbs will miss a trip across the ditch due to suspension. We don't need to play all of Ellard, Carrazzo, Curnow etc...so we keep Carrazzo. We bring in outside speed, Buckley, Beokhurst as we lack run big time. Hopefully Menzel is fit. If he fit I'd play Menzel, Walker and Cripps, who has marking forward written all over him despite being a mid, all up forward with Hendo, showed some form yesterday, and Casboult, our 2nd ruck. Surely adds something to the forward line. Jones out, prefer the other guys forward, Whiley in doing Cripps' job. Jaksch back in to shore up the defence.
Reckon we have so decent players but we're playing the wrong one's with the wrong structure. If we're going to rebuild do the bloody job properly.
Yarran and Gibbs will miss a trip across the ditch due to suspension. We don't need to play all of Ellard, Carrazzo, Curnow etc...so we keep Carrazzo. We bring in outside speed, Buckley, Beokhurst as we lack run big time. Hopefully Menzel is fit. If he fit I'd play Menzel, Walker and Cripps, who has marking forward written all over him despite being a mid, all up forward with Hendo, showed some form yesterday, and Casboult, our 2nd ruck. Surely adds something to the forward line. Jones out, prefer the other guys forward, Whiley in doing Cripps' job. Jaksch back in to shore up the defence.
Reckon we have so decent players but we're playing the wrong one's with the wrong structure. If we're going to rebuild do the bloody job properly.
I would leave Cripps in the middle were he is doing well extracting the footy...he also isnt a great converter at this stage of his career and his kicking needs work.
Look I know people want to drop Jones and I understand why but this week in the one where he will get a undersized opponent given the Saints really only have two tall defenders
in Delaney and Fisher unless they play Bruce back. I think he can beat up on the likes of Roberton or Shenton etc if we can get the ball to him and this could be his week....
I would leave Cripps in the middle were he is doing well extracting the footy...he also isnt a great converter at this stage of his career and his kicking needs work.
Look I know people want to drop Jones and I understand why but this week in the one where he will get a undersized opponent given the Saints really only have two tall defenders
in Delaney and Fisher unless they play Bruce back. I think he can beat up on the likes of Roberton or Shenton etc if we can get the ball to him and this could be his week....
Not too sure of Cripps' conversion as he had his first shot for goal for the club yesterday. Not sure what it was like at the NBs though. I just feel he's a big boy (not feel in literal terms..haha), takes a great pack mark so from what I saw in the NBs, if a similar player like Whiley comes in, Cripps can be good forward target. That's what I think anyway looking into the future.
I'd like a couple of running, 3rd tall types on the forward, Walker and Cripps, with Hendo and Casboult. Casboult already has a huge job having to play two roles so a bit of help there would be good for him. Add Menzel there and we're just short of a small forward. comes down then to how the ball is brought in otherwise it doesn't matter how good a forward line in.
I would leave Cripps in the middle were he is doing well extracting the footy...he also isnt a great converter at this stage of his career and his kicking needs work.
Look I know people want to drop Jones and I understand why but this week in the one where he will get a undersized opponent given the Saints really only have two tall defenders
in Delaney and Fisher unless they play Bruce back. I think he can beat up on the likes of Roberton or Shenton etc if we can get the ball to him and this could be his week....
Agreed, Cripps can stay there now, it's over for the other options he is a class above them.
Agreed, Jones would have benefited greatly from having Menzel in the F50 as well. If we can't put The Aints to the sword with our mix of Mids and marking options we have a big problem.
If Jaksch is fit does he return, I think so he is mobile enough to get Yarran's normal opponent and leave 1AW running off HBF!
I agree that Cripps should be left where he is as he looks pretty good in the role and will only get better. Be interesting to see who else comes in and Whiley definitely looks like an option in the light of his NB performance. Let's hope he has ticked all the required boxes. Don't think we'll see Boekhorst or Buckley if MM's comments are anything to go by - rated both as not yet ready.
Hopefully Jaksch is OK to go, we need to keep playing him as much as possible IMO. I would like to see Byrne get a full game if he's fit enough.
I don't think there'll be too many unforced changes tbh.
I agree that Cripps should be left where he is as he looks pretty good in the role and will only get better. Be interesting to see who else comes in and Whiley definitely looks like an option in the light of his NB performance. Let's hope he has ticked all the required boxes. Don't think we'll see Boekhorst or Buckley if MM's comments are anything to go by - rated both as not yet ready.
Hopefully Jaksch is OK to go, we need to keep playing him as much as possible IMO. I would like to see Byrne get a full game if he's fit enough.
I don't think there'll be too many unforced changes tbh.
Don't think we'll see Jacksch in NZ as flying is not great fro recovering froma punctured lung, expect to see him back against the Pies. Whiley is a certainty, the other ins an=re not so clear.
Don't think we'll see Jacksch in NZ as flying is not great fro recovering froma punctured lung, expect to see him back against the Pies. Whiley is a certainty, the other ins an=re not so clear.
Some reports suggested Jaksch was close to playing yesterday, it must be pretty minor!
Some reports suggested Jaksch was close to playing yesterday, it must be pretty minor!
That would ba bonus if he could make it for next weeks game, it gives us a mobile
KPP who has a bit of class about him.
B: Simpson Jamison Tuohy
HB: Byrne Jaksch Docherty
Foll: Wood Judd Murphy
C: Boekhurst Whiley Everitt
HF: Cripps Henderson Buckley
F: Menzel Casboult Walker
Int: Bell Armfield Graham Carrazzo
Left Gibbs out as I don't believe he'll beat the Match Review Panel as he got Goddard's head.
As for Mick, no great instructions other to give them their head and just run, as you would do when rebuilding with younger players. No complicated tactics needed there.
I don't care who takes his spot but three games of Jones is all I can handle, he's a waste of space.
Casboult can go too, his kicking is so bad it embarrasses the club.
If we bring effort, we will win. Nothing surer.
I don't care who takes his spot but three games of Jones is all I can handle, he's a waste of space.
Casboult can go too, his kicking is so bad it embarrasses the club.
Casboult fills a need as our 2nd ruck. That or Warnock. Casboult thanks.
Jones always looks like he can play but doesn't. He has ability and must be suited somewhere, just yet to find it. NBs seems a good place for him right now.
Casboult fills a need as our 2nd ruck. That or Warnock. Casboult thanks.
Nope, he turned over every single possession he had in the first half, not that he had many.
He's a liability.
Why'd I think this would be a good idea to attend this game.....oh that's right, 'cos it was November last year when I did so......damn.
Why'd I think this would be a good idea to attend this game.....oh that's right, 'cos it was November last year when I did so......damn.
Ouch! :P
Nope, he turned over every single possession he had in the first half, not that he had many.
He's a liability.
Still need a ruckman to relieve Wood and he's the best we have.
Why'd I think this would be a good idea to attend this game.....oh that's right, 'cos it was November last year when I did so......damn.
It's a trip to New Zealand at least. Good enough excuse even when you're crap...lol.
Still need a ruckman to relieve Wood and he's the best we have.
Unfortunately that's where things stand atm. Maybe some hope ahead eventually with Kreuzer's return but I'm not banking on anything there. He won't be ready for NZ anyway.
Still need a ruckman to relieve Wood and he's the best we have.
I know you're right but what a sorry state we're in.
Nope, he turned over every single possession he had in the first half, not that he had many.
He's a liability.
At least he wins some possessions, more than you can say for Warnock. More physical presence too, eg, crashing the pack which led to Henderson's first yesterday.
The only reason Warnock should ever play for our football club again is to enhance his trade value, which currently sits at about zero.
At least he wins some possessions, more than you can say for Warnock. More physical presence too, eg, crashing the pack which led to Henderson's first yesterday.
The only reason Warnock should ever play for our football club again is to enhance his trade value, which currently sits at about zero.
x2 ...+karma
Losing this and avoiding the wooden spoon is going to be an ask. No Yarran, No Gibbs.... Urgh.
Losing this and avoiding the wooden spoon is going to be an ask. No Yarran, No Gibbs.... Urgh.
The Saints move the ball quickly and are a fast squad. No Yarran kills our run out of defence. Could easily be 0-4 after this game.
Losing this and avoiding the wooden spoon is going to be an ask. No Yarran, No Gibbs.... Urgh.
The new tribunal rules should mean that Gibbs gets a fine; $1000 with a guilty plea.
Our biggest challenge will be to structure the forward line so that we can kick a winning score. That will also require a change in how we bring the ball inside 50; long bombs to the pockets won't get the job done.
The game is not on free to air TV. I am very irritated about that.
Lose this ...the wooden spoon is a real prospect
The fact that it isn't FTA is disgraceful... did the AFL expect the members to fly to NZ to see the game? How is the common person expected to follow their side under such circumstances???
MM is on the record as saying he wants Buckley to be a defender. Byrne is a defender, Docerty, Yarran defenders. Is there anyone with some pace who can crumb a goal and help to hold the ball in on the list that MM will play forward?
MM is on the record as saying he wants Buckley to be a defender. Byrne is a defender, Docerty, Yarran defenders. Is there anyone with some pace who can crumb a goal and help to hold the ball in on the list that MM will play forward?
Smith, Tutt, Ellard, Menzel.
here goes we need to bring in quick players (not graham to slow) and maybe give judd and jamo the week off u have to say that saints are young and no roo helps,but this could be the battle of 1st quarter .
Smith, Tutt, Ellard, Menzel.
Not ready/not proven, given 1 game/failure at Dogs, defensive forward/slow, injured and/or out of form.
Next.
Boekhorst and Skittles have pace, but they too would fit that same category of not ready/proven.
Not ready/not proven, given 1 game/failure at Dogs, defensive forward/slow, injured and/or out of form.
Next.
This is what happens when you turn over the list.
You get kids who are not quite ready yet and blokes who are but are perhaps not up to it.
Menzel is injured.
You could also throw Daisy into that list, but yes he is injured too.
People don't want a quick fix....but they do.
This is what happens when you turn over the list.
You get kids who are not quite ready yet and blokes who are but are perhaps not up to it.
Menzel is injured.
You could also throw Daisy into that list, but yes he is injured too.
People don't want a quick fix....but they do.
I agree with your sentiment Krud, but to me Buckley is a natural forward. Ellards not up to the role, Tutts a list clogger, and Menzel is prob the most overrated player on the list for what he's produced. My point is let Buckley play forward,and for MM to stop with obsession with turning half our list into defenders.
This is what happens when you turn over the list.
You get kids who are not quite ready yet and blokes who are but are perhaps not up to it.
Menzel is injured.
You could also throw Daisy into that list, but yes he is injured too.
People don't want a quick fix....but they do.
Was making the case that Buckley could probably play there.
Should have played before Smith.
They want Buckley to tag as well;
Bucks' played down back. What we’ve been working on with Dylan is his defensive side. We know that he can provide us good run and carry off half-back, and he got one inside-50 from his 11 disposals. We’ve got to continue to keep working on his defensive side and he showed good signs in that area today.
They have already turned Yarran into a tagger, a bloke who could easily be as damaging as Betts, Rioli, Ablett, Judd, etc., etc.. They have standardised him into a good ordinary player!
It's fecking depressing, our MC would have Phar Lap training as a trotter just in case! ::)
@the above 2 comments re Buckley.
I've never seen him as a natural forward personally. I'm sure he could play there if given a shot, but he isn't the most polished player by foot. Do we need another forward who can't kick straight?
Alternatively, we need to find a couple of decent back pocket players as it is. Tuohy is the best we've got and many don't rate him. After him you start robbing peter to pay paul. Walker, Simpson, Carrazzo have all played there, but are better suited elsewhere. In fact Carrazzo started his career in a back pocket and worked his way into the midfield.
Perhaps what we need is players like Buckley playing their role for the team (in this case a small defender) and then moving onto greener pastures later.
They want Buckley to tag as well;
They have already turned Yarran into a tagger, a bloke who could easily be as damaging as Betts, Rioli, Ablett, Judd, etc., etc.. They have standardised him into a good ordinary player!
It's fecking depressing, our MC would have Phar Lap training as a trotter just in case! ::)
I have no problem with them saying he needs to work on his defensive side.
But what side exactly has Clem Smith got squared away at the moment.
I'll give MM the benefit of the doubt (to a point) and suggest he wants Buckley playing full games in the magoos rather than 1/4 or so in the top side.
They want Buckley to tag as well;
They have already turned Yarran into a tagger, a bloke who could easily be as damaging as Betts, Rioli, Ablett, Judd, etc., etc.. They have standardised him into a good ordinary player!
It's fecking depressing, our MC would have Phar Lap training as a trotter just in case! ::)
Shock horror, they want a playing playing in defense to defend! :P
If only we could get our players to actually run both ways we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in.
You are right that you need to kick goals to win games.
you do realise that if the opposition don't kick any goals, you can't lose.
you do realise that if the opposition don't kick any goals, you can't lose.
We've discussed the futility of MMs attempt to stop opponents scoring in other threads, his game plan in known so well we can see that he is obsessed with negativity.
The opposition know that if they get a break on Carlton MMs game plan turns into a puddle, and Carlton then have little chance of catching them. MM doesn't train teams to score heavily, he doesn't like the risk it brings, he has said as much publicly on many occasions!
But in my opinion he has safe bet himself into AFL oblivion! I don't know what others think, I don't speak for them! But I think MM was so obsessed with defense he pulled apart the good aspects of our list to improve just one facet!
We've discussed the futility of MMs attempt to stop opponents scoring in other threads, his game plan in known so well we can see that he is obsessed with negativity.
So if its known so well, why don't you tell me what it is. Summarise it for me.
After you've done that, realise that what you just told me is last years game plan. It's changed in the off-season in case you haven't caught up with things. ;)
Shock horror, they want a playing playing in defense to defend! :P
If only we could get our players to actually run both ways we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in.
You are right that you need to kick goals to win games.
you do realise that if the opposition don't kick any goals, you can't lose.
Malcolm Blight won Back to Back flags with the theory that you just had to kick more goals than them :o
Malcolm Blight won Back to Back flags with the theory that you just had to kick more goals than them :o
...and how many GF's did he lose with the best player to ever play the game kicking record amounts of goals at the time?
Who won the 1995 GF? Was it the flashy forward work of Ablett and co, or was it the dour defensiveness of Silvagni and co.
(although that was Ayres, the same logic applies)
So if its known so well, why don't you tell me what it is. Summarise it for me.
In 2014 the game plan was "Stop Em", in 2015 it become "Stop Em All"! :D
You're absolutely right, it's changed by nearly 50%!
When our club gets serious, I'll get serious! :o
Wow didn't think about that. We need to win this or risk being labeled the basketcase of the AFL.
we already are the basket case of the AFL
In 2014 the game plan was "Stop Em", in 2015 it become "Stop Em All"! :D
You're absolutely right, it's changed by nearly 50%!
When our club gets serious, I'll get serious! :o
...and that ladies and gentleman is why you don't listen to the public when they criticise the coaches game plan.
Nope, he turned over every single possession he had in the first half, not that he had many.
He's a liability.
Half our side is a liability ATM.
...and how many GF's did he lose with the best player to ever play the game kicking record amounts of goals at the time?
Who won the 1995 GF? Was it the flashy forward work of Ablett and co, or was it the dour defensiveness of Silvagni and co.
(although that was Ayres, the same logic applies)
BOG on the 1995 GF was Williams, I never saw him tagging anybody.
Our next best players were Koutafides, Kernahan and Bradley, no taggers there!
I think the only defender in our top 10 on the day was Christou attacking of the HBF, hardly a dour defender!
BOG on the 1995 GF was Williams, I never saw him tagging anybody.
Our next best players were Koutafides, Kernahan and Bradley, no taggers there!
I think the only defender in our top 10 on the day was Christou attacking of the HBF, hardly a dour defender!
I simply cannot take you seriously if you don't rate Silvagni's game.
In the 21 games leading up to that 1995 Grand Final, Ablett kicking 122 goals 82 behinds.
He kicked 4 goals or more in 20 of those 21 games. The exception was against Sydney in R2 where he kicked 3.3.
He had on average 9.7 shots on goal over that same period.
The last time he played us, he kicked 4.5.
In the Grand Final - he kicked 0.3. Silvagni was his opponent the entire game.
IMO he was 2nd BOG behind Diesel.
Malcolm Blight won Back to Back flags with the theory that you just had to kick more goals than them :o
Well therein lies one of our major problems - our goalkicking accuracy. We generate the inside 50s alright but either turn over the ball or miss the shot on goal all too often. The score last Sat was 11.18 to 16.9 and at one stage we had half the number of goals and twice the number of behinds than the Bummers. Says it all.
I don't have the stats for our other major problem area, but doing what Ross Lyon talks about and watching the game, when we are defending and our set defensive structures are actually in place, we manage reasonably. The real problems come from when we try to go forward and too often turn the ball over in our forward part of the ground - we then can't respond to opposition quick counter attacks and our defence gets caught out, often badly. Best way to deal with that I guess is not to turn the ball over in the first place.
If we fixed up those two areas alone I reckon a lot of our other problems might not seem so bad.
I simply cannot take you seriously if you don't rate Silvagni's game.
In the 21 games leading up to that 1995 Grand Final, Ablett kicking 122 goals 82 behinds.
He kicked 4 goals or more in 20 of those 21 games. The exception was against Sydney in R2 where he kicked 3.3.
He had on average 9.7 shots on goal over that same period.
The last time he played us, he kicked 4.5.
In the Grand Final - he kicked 0.3. Silvagni was his opponent the entire game.
IMO he was 2nd BOG behind Diesel.
Ablett would have had to play in defense to get more opportunities, the Mids and Forwards put Geelong to the sword! ;)
Silvagni had 1 effective spoil. But I'll let you pump up his tyres and ignore the other Mids and Forwards, it's your version of history!
FWIW, I had Spalding as our second best on the day and by some margin, but he was light years behind Williams for BOG!
Gibbs Cleared to play.
he has done some nice run with roles before :-P
Gibbs Cleared to play.
That can't be, he hit an Essendon player! :o
I simply cannot take you seriously if you don't rate Silvagni's game.
In the 21 games leading up to that 1995 Grand Final, Ablett kicking 122 goals 82 behinds.
He kicked 4 goals or more in 20 of those 21 games. The exception was against Sydney in R2 where he kicked 3.3.
He had on average 9.7 shots on goal over that same period.
The last time he played us, he kicked 4.5.
In the Grand Final - he kicked 0.3. Silvagni was his opponent the entire game.
IMO he was 2nd BOG behind Diesel.
Further to that, remembering back, he had a huge finals series, where he kept Merrett under wraps, gave Carey a bath and then Ablett in the GF.
I still feel his retirement, more than others, left the biggest hole that we haven't filled adequately since.
That can't be, he hit an Essendon player! :o
It's Goddard so it don't count. ;) He cries even when he plays his old mob, f#$king sook.
Further to that, remembering back, he had a huge finals series, where he kept Merrett under wraps, gave Carey a bath and then Ablett in the GF.
I still feel his retirement, more than others, left the biggest hole that we haven't filled adequately since.
Yes I agree. When he went it was the loss of a true inspiration and a massive body blow for the club. I remember how gutted I was to realise we would no longer see him playing in the navy blue.
Ablett would have had to play in defense to get more opportunities, the Mids and Forwards put Geelong to the sword! ;)
Silvagni had 1 effective spoil. But I'll let you pump up his tyres and ignore the other Mids and Forwards, it's your version of history!
FWIW, I had Spalding as our second best on the day and by some margin, but he was light years behind Williams for BOG!
Ablett actually came up to play on the wing for some stretches of the game to get a kick....yet Silvagni stopped him there too.
As i said before, if you can't see it, i can't take you seriously.
I know if i was choosing one player from that side to plug into our team now, Walker would be handing over his guernsey ASAP.
Yes I agree. When he went it was the loss of a true inspiration and a massive body blow for the club. I remember how gutted I was to realise we would no longer see him playing in the navy blue.
I'm afraid the SOS centric history of the 1995 GF really discredits some great players on the day;
Christou was magnificent off the HBF.
Spalding perhaps played his best game for the club.
Kouta showed early signs of becoming Kouta!
Bradley showed why being hard and tough at football can also mean gut running an opponent into the ground!
etc., etc..
Ablett actually came up to play on the wing for some stretches of the game to get a kick....yet Silvagni stopped him there too.
Because the ball wasn't entering their F50, and you should recall SOS and Christou double teaming him on the flanks as well no doubt!
We flogged them, he had little opportunity and was beaten when he did!
We had runners everywhere and attacked relentlessly, we locked the ball inside our F50 with blokes like Spalding laying massive tackles and Williams playing forward for extended periods!
Our runners should have offered SOS an overcoat to keep warm!
Then you should recall SOS and Christou double teaming him!
So what you are saying is team defense as well as individual defense helped us win the game.
Glad we agree on how important it is to defend then. ;)
So what you are saying is team defense as well as individual defense helped us win the game.
Glad we agree on how important it is to defend then. ;)
Yes exactly, if Christou had been tagging he would never have been there to help SOS defend!
PS; Don't confuse defense with tagging! ;)
We are debating having too many taggers, every team has the same number of defenders!
We are debating having too many taggers, every team has the same number of defenders!
Only our team has taggers instead of defenders though...apparantly.
...and our tagger get more of the ball than most of our midfielders.
....and they kick goals as well.
....and are not actually taggers at all!
Only our team has taggers instead of defenders though...apparantly.
...and our tagger get more of the ball than most of our midfielders.
....and they kick goals as well.
....and are not actually taggers at all!
Just not as many as opposition ball winners!
We have too many taggers and a game plan that is obsolete and too defensive, there is nothing further needed as evidence as it's there on video, at the ground and in the specialist commentary!
You can listen to the likes of Carey, Lyon(x2) and Roos, who primarily defend MM to get it right but not necessarily defend the game plan. In fact I have supported MM as a potential Director of Coaching, but not as match day coach if he cannot change his ways. When it comes to the game plan I chose to listen to Dunstall, Matthews, Fevola and Parkin who all have gently hinted that time has past it by!
Sooo, does this mean under Ratten we were too attacking and now under MM we are too defensive?
Can't we just play bl**dy football.
Boys today... see ball get ball... let the boys play.
Under MM they seem in two minds as to what to do with the ball, hence making the wrong decision a fair bit of the time. I can't remember a time when we have kicked it straight to an opposition player. Not just an over kick or a kick just wide of our player but primary school stuff of passing straight to them. Jeez if we hit up our forwards as well as we lace out oppo players they would be talking up or kicking skills. ::)
Why can't we have two or three stay at home forwards ALL THE TIME :o
I can't remember a time when we have kicked it straight to an opposition player.
That says more about your memory than any game plan issues.
One of the best 1-liners i can remember was said by Brettie in an in-game thread when we played the Bulldogs sometime during the Ratten era.
Something along the lines of...
"As far as i can tell, our gameplan is to kick it directly to Brian Lake and hope his jumper changes colour"
It's been happening for longer than anyone cares to remember. You're a lucky one because you've been able to forget!
Our foot skills have been severely lacking for more than a decade now. Even those players who are very capable by foot are making too many turnovers. I speak of Gibbs, Murphy, Judd and Thomas. Then we have the butchers, Bell, Tuohy, Curnow and Walker. In between these two groups is a collective of uninspiring users of the footy. The only blokes I'd let off at this stage are the Ciarans (who have both shown a bit), Docherty and Simmo.
It's a far cry from the 95 team when there were few players you couldn't trust with the ball in hand. (apologies to Harry ;))
Our foot skills have been severely lacking for more than a decade now. Even those players who are very capable by foot are making too many turnovers. I speak of Gibbs, Murphy, Judd and Thomas. Then we have the butchers, Bell, Tuohy, Curnow and Walker. In between these two groups is a collective of uninspiring users of the footy. The only blokes I'd let off at this stage are the Ciarans (who have both shown a bit), Docherty and Simmo.
It's a far cry from the 95 team when there were few players you couldn't trust with the ball in hand. (apologies to Harry ;))
I don't think we are lessed skilled than other teams, we just have an extra degree of difficulty in our execution.
Compare our ball use with that of our opponents. When we get possession, particularly in a clearance or contested situation, the ball is thrown onto the boot and it's a 50-50 proposition whether it goes to our advantage. This was particularly evident against Essendon where we won the clearances but turned the ball over before the second or third possession.
Most, if not all, other teams use a string of handpasses to get the ball to a runner in the clear. This results in a balanced kick not under pressure or a couple of bounces and a measured kick.
Our reluctance to handpass creatively means that our disposal by foot is under pressure and misdirected as a result.
One of the best 1-liners i can remember was said by Brettie in an in-game thread when we played the Bulldogs sometime during the Ratten era.
Something along the lines of...
"As far as i can tell, our gameplan is to kick it directly to Brian Lake and hope his jumper changes colour"
Oi! I think that was me :P If not, it wouldn't be Brettie, he wouldn't dare be seen frequenting an unofficial fan site while strutting through the Medallion club or MCC
That says more about your memory than any game plan issues.
One of the best 1-liners i can remember was said by Brettie in an in-game thread when we played the Bulldogs sometime during the Ratten era.
Something along the lines of...
"As far as i can tell, our gameplan is to kick it directly to Brian Lake and hope his jumper changes colour"
It's been happening for longer than anyone cares to remember. You're a lucky one because you've been able to forget!
That is one of my endearing qualities ;)
Most, if not all, other teams use a string of handpasses to get the ball to a runner in the clear. This results in a balanced kick not under pressure or a couple of bounces and a measured kick.
Our reluctance to handpass creatively means that our disposal by foot is under pressure and misdirected as a result.
Okay sorry about the video titles, some tosser (probably a DC scum supporter) has put these on you tube. But they illustrate how even our greatest player of the past decade butchers the ball at times under no pressure. Interesting how Bruce says in the second video (Ratten era) that "we're getting used to sloppy play by Carlton" By no means is this a slight on the great man, but it sets a standard.
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All players butcher the ball occasionally, we're just more consistent :(
It has been long known that Judd ain't the best kick in the world.. Hasn't stopped him influencing a lot of games.
I'm sure I could trawl Utube and come across numerous clips of hack scraggers like Melksham blocking Judd's run at the ball and holding at every contest.... holding that is so frequent yet infrequently penalised.
It has been long known that Judd ain't the best kick in the world.. Hasn't stopped him influencing a lot of games.
I'm sure I could trawl Utube and come across numerous clips of hack scraggers like Melksham blocking Judd's run at the ball and holding at every contest.... holding that is so frequent yet infrequently penalised.
Funny thing was I searched "Hawthorn turnovers" to see if I could find examples of the best club by foot turning it over and there was nothing for the Hawks other than a press conference but these Juddy Vids were there.
CARLTON
The turnover Blues: Turnovers killed the Blues in 2014. Despite averaging the fourth-fewest turnovers in the competition (61.2 a game), they were scored against 25.9 per cent of the time when they did, with only St Kilda punished more often. They also conceded the fourth-highest score from turnovers (55.9 points a game). But it was the Blues' midfield turnovers that hurt them the most. They conceded more points than any other side in this area (869) and were scored against 29.3 per cent of the time, 2.6 per cent more than the next worst team.
So clearly when we turn it over we pay severely.
Got my tickets, looking forward to watching the boys do us proud on Anzac Day. And being in the company of Kiwis makes the event even more significant, for historical reasons... and for them to witness proper football.
So clearly when we turn it over we pay severely.
Thanks for that JK. That was my anecdotal impression. When we give up a turnover we are just badly exposed and can't get back to cover the opposition's ball movement. Couple that with our poor kicking for goal and you go along way to explaining our predicament atm.
Thanks for that JK. That was my anecdotal impression. When we give up a turnover we are just badly exposed and can't get back to cover the opposition's ball movement. Couple that with our poor kicking for goal and you go along way to explaining our predicament atm.
I am not 100% sure how AFL define their Clangers stat however I googled it and Ted Hopkins of Champion Data defines it as a Turnover or mistake. I was staggered to learn that in 2014, Carlton had the fewest total number of Clangers of any Club. You read it correctly, the fewest. 912 for the year to be exact. PA made the most with 1151. So far this year, we have the 4th fewest. So it seems though that we get scored heavily against us from our TO's (or clangers) which means its all about where, who and how we turn it over perhaps.
Sooo, does this mean under Ratten we were too attacking and now under MM we are too defensive?
Can't we just play bl**dy football.
Boys today... see ball get ball... let the boys play.
Under MM they seem in two minds as to what to do with the ball, hence making the wrong decision a fair bit of the time. I can't remember a time when we have kicked it straight to an opposition player. Not just an over kick or a kick just wide of our player but primary school stuff of passing straight to them. Jeez if we hit up our forwards as well as we lace out oppo players they would be talking up or kicking skills. ::)
Why can't we have two or three stay at home forwards ALL THE TIME :o
I've been wondering that for a while now. Since we're so slow at getting the ball in the forward line why don't we start a few of our forwards in the square then all lead out into space? It's a forward line huddle! Manning up creates space, not manning up leaves a strong marker (Cas, Hendo, etc) free.
I am not 100% sure how AFL define their Clangers stat however I googled it and Ted Hopkins of Champion Data defines it as a Turnover or mistake. I was staggered to learn that in 2014, Carlton had the fewest total number of Clangers of any Club. You read it correctly, the fewest. 912 for the year to be exact. PA made the most with 1151. So far this year, we have the 4th fewest. So it seems though that we get scored heavily against us from our TO's (or clangers) which means its all about where, who and how we turn it over perhaps.
Most teams if they turnover the ball in their high half forward area are usually cut up. Most teams are pretty effective at setting up around halfback and capitalising on a mistake. Being able to quickly regroup is something the best sides can do, although even the best find it difficult. The hawthorn v bulldogs game on the weekend showed this quite a bit, even the doggies were able to cut through ok at times if they forced a turnover. Hawthorn are good at getting the ball a little deeper in too, which makes it easier to defend a turnover situation. They do this by keeping possession in the middle and getting it delivered from the edge of the square. Good footskills help of course.
This is therefore why perhaps carlton are getting it wrong in that they are delivering forward from too far back. We did much better last week. This week needs to see better conversion to finish it off.
I am not 100% sure how AFL define their Clangers stat however I googled it and Ted Hopkins of Champion Data defines it as a Turnover or mistake. I was staggered to learn that in 2014, Carlton had the fewest total number of Clangers of any Club. You read it correctly, the fewest. 912 for the year to be exact. PA made the most with 1151. So far this year, we have the 4th fewest. So it seems though that we get scored heavily against us from our TO's (or clangers) which means its all about where, who and how we turn it over perhaps.
this hurt us more than anything against both Richmond and Essendon and even to a lesser degree against West Coast.
One of the problems MadBlueBoy has brought to our attention that I agree with is our running. You can turn the ball over as every club does here and there. If your not prepared to run back hard to defend you will lose on the scoreboard every time. No matter where it is you turn the ball over. Sydney, Hawthorn, Adelaide and Fremantle turn the ball over many times too. However they run back to cover space and place so much pressure on the ball carrier, that they eventually get the ball back into their hands.
Apply pressure with tackles and helping your team mates at all times. Run in numbers. This will have the other side under pressure to begin with. They will cough the ball up more often. Once you turn the ball over, all should be running back hard to pressure the other side. Some of the times they will double back if they can't see a free player forward, and you nail them as they don't expect to have players coming back hard behind them. Running into a wall of players. Something like this needs to be employed to be proactive. Not reactive during a game. If the work rate is low to medium, skill errors occur due to lack of confidence in the entire side. They don't have belief in the forwards to grab what they should. Before we get a list of players with real talent by foot, we need an elevated work rate. Plain and simple.
You can't change the skill level of what you have, therefore you need to find a way to make them work. Plug holes with players at the end of the season.
One of the problems MadBlueBoy has brought to our attention that I agree with is our running. You can turn the ball over as every club does here and there. If your not prepared to run back hard to defend you will lose on the scoreboard every time. No matter where it is you turn the ball over. Sydney, Hawthorn, Adelaide and Fremantle turn the ball over many times too. However they run back to cover space and place so much pressure on the ball carrier, that they eventually get the ball back into their hands.
Apply pressure with tackles and helping your team mates at all times. Run in numbers. This will have the other side under pressure to begin with. They will cough the ball up more often. Once you turn the ball over, all should be running back hard to pressure the other side. Some of the times they will double back if they can't see a free player forward, and you nail them as they don't expect to have players coming back hard behind them. Running into a wall of players. Something like this needs to be employed to be proactive. Not reactive during a game. If the work rate is low to medium, skill errors occur due to lack of confidence in the entire side. They don't have belief in the forwards to grab what they should. Before we get a list of players with real talent by foot, we need an elevated work rate. Plain and simple.
You can't change the skill level of what you have, therefore you need to find a way to make them work. Plug holes with players at the end of the season.
I heard Hinkley on radio on Sunday. He was talking about how good a running group they are. He said he won't claim they are the fittest in the league but said their "numbers" as a group are elite. He doesn't know what other teams numbers are but he knows his teams are right up there. He coaches them to this strength, running. I think it was Ebert he singled out, he said he was the best 2 way runner he has every seen.
Hence DontgoJuddy it becomes easier to build a strong group around a side that can work hard both ways. It doesn't need huge levels of skill and talent. Just pure hard work. Something we haven't had for years. When we execute this style of play in the first quarter, its funny how we establish a lead on the scoreboard so fast. The ball enters the forward 50m without defenders being ready, and we manage to score.
Hence DontgoJuddy it becomes easier to build a strong group around a side that can work hard both ways. It doesn't need huge levels of skill and talent. Just pure hard work. Something we haven't had for years. When we execute this style of play in the first quarter, its funny how we establish a lead on the scoreboard so fast. The ball enters the forward 50m without defenders being ready, and we manage to score.
So Buttifant is a dud.
Got my tickets, looking forward to watching the boys do us proud on Anzac Day. And being in the company of Kiwis makes the event even more significant, for historical reasons... and for them to witness proper football.
Nice work Baggers, got my tickets too, but not as excited as I was when I booked them :D. I've been interstate 6 times for a 0-6 record, if this trip doesn't turn out well, then that's it, I'll never board a plane to watch Carlton ever again....the hint will have been finally acknowledged!!!
Oi! I think that was me :P If not, it wouldn't be Brettie, he wouldn't dare be seen frequenting an unofficial fan site while strutting through the Medallion club or MCC
Lol....correct....wasn't mine, you can have that one ItsOurTime, I can't/won't take credit for that cracker. I couldn't frequent an unofficial fan site even if I wanted too anyway at the footy.....I refuse to get an smartphone, my little Nokia serves me just fine!!! Should see the looks of indignation I get in the MCC ;D (I only sit in the MCC for our away games.... :P)
Btw - anyone see the kicking efficiency stat on the scoreboard @ 3/4 time at the game on Saturday? It was 65% to 81%.....that's abysmal, we'd wanna be correcting that ASAP.....oh wait, I daresay we've been wanting to do that for about 3 years and counting.....
I stand corrected. IOT takes the credit for the best one-liner.
So Buttifant is a dud.
If he can't keep us running. The coach must wear some responsibility and every player must be held accountable more than anything. A willingness to work. Not just a lack of fitness. Blame the club as a whole.
I am not 100% sure how AFL define their Clangers stat however I googled it and Ted Hopkins of Champion Data defines it as a Turnover or mistake. I was staggered to learn that in 2014, Carlton had the fewest total number of Clangers of any Club. You read it correctly, the fewest. 912 for the year to be exact. PA made the most with 1151. So far this year, we have the 4th fewest. So it seems though that we get scored heavily against us from our TO's (or clangers) which means its all about where, who and how we turn it over perhaps.
It's really hard to kick a clanger when you're kicking long to a contest on the boundary.
I don't think we are lessed skilled than other teams, we just have an extra degree of difficulty in our execution.
Compare our ball use with that of our opponents. When we get possession, particularly in a clearance or contested situation, the ball is thrown onto the boot and it's a 50-50 proposition whether it goes to our advantage. This was particularly evident against Essendon where we won the clearances but turned the ball over before the second or third possession.
Most, if not all, other teams use a string of handpasses to get the ball to a runner in the clear. This results in a balanced kick not under pressure or a couple of bounces and a measured kick.
Our reluctance to handpass creatively means that our disposal by foot is under pressure and misdirected as a result.
DJ....We are dumber than most and our players dont want responsibility and you are on your own out there...eg .poor Judd gest the break in the middle of the ground goes for a run with his old legs and gets tackled from behind...other teams would have let him know to get rid off the footy or make position for him closer by so he could dish the ball off...not our team they just let him get swallowed up and then allowed that little maggot Melksham to rub it in. It was sad watching a champ get ditched by his teammates and shows you how lacking we are in spirit IMO....
Its hard top be creative when you mates dont back you up and you have to play safe every kick/handpass...
The team that owns the corridor invariably wins the game = fact.
Yet our "game plan" seems to be predicated on ball movement that uses the outer part of the ground yet we surrender the corridor to the opposition. Any surprise that the best performed clubs of the last decade (Geelong, Swans and Hawks) own the corridor, and the current worst club (US) avoids it???
Even perennial hacks like St Kilda are developing a central corridor ball movement gameplan... my question to this club is, why the F aren't we????
cue crickets chirrrping.
The team that owns the corridor invariably wins the game = fact.
Yet our "game plan" seems to be predicated on ball movement that uses the outer part of the ground yet we surrender the corridor to the opposition. Any surprise that the best performed clubs of the last decade (Geelong, Swans and Hawks) own the corridor, and the current worst club (US) avoids it???
Even perennial hacks like St Kilda are developing a central corridor ball movement gameplan... my question to this club is, why the F aren't we????
cue crickets chirrrping.
We were in the NAB cup....were as good at it as Geelong was too.
Since then, it hasn't quite worked out that way.
That could be because
1. We have changed the game plan since the NAB cup.
2. The players are not playing as directed, like they did in the NAB Cup.
3. The opposition are not allowing us to play in the same manner
DJ....We are dumber than most and our players dont want responsibility and you are on your own out there...eg .poor Judd gest the break in the middle of the ground goes for a run with his old legs and gets tackled from behind...other teams would have let him know to get rid off the footy or make position for him closer by so he could dish the ball off...not our team they just let him get swallowed up and then allowed that little maggot Melksham to rub it in. It was sad watching a champ get ditched by his teammates and shows you how lacking we are in spirit IMO....
Its hard top be creative when you mates dont back you up and you have to play safe every kick/handpass...
Juddy had no-one to kick to. He stopped his first kick because the target was covered and there was no-one else.
There are so many things wrong with our footy; long bombs to the pockets, not taking the first option, key forwards who follow each other, no lead up targets, no shepherding, suppressed instinctive play, rushed kicks, ball chasing, etc, etc.
Some of Micks thoughts on team selection for the upcoming Saints game:
The three-time premiership coach said the Blues would fly Kristian Jaksch to Wellington as cover for Jamison, while Matthew Dick, Dylan Buckley and Dillon Viojo-Rainbow were among the candidates to replace Yarran.
Carlton's first selection in last year's national draft Blaine Boekhorst is yet to make his AFL debut and Malthouse suggested he had work to do before he did so.
"He's a 25-possession player from the weekend (in the VFL but) he still needs weight and he needs consistency," he said.
- See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-22/blues-wont-sanction-yarran#sthash.7mMxx102.dpuf
Not sure Boekhorst will get a softer ride into AFL footy than playing the Saints..dont know what the other three have done ahead of BB to get picked either?
Some of Micks thoughts on team selection for the upcoming Saints game:
The three-time premiership coach said the Blues would fly Kristian Jaksch to Wellington as cover for Jamison, while Matthew Dick, Dylan Buckley and Dillon Viojo-Rainbow were among the candidates to replace Yarran.
Carlton's first selection in last year's national draft Blaine Boekhorst is yet to make his AFL debut and Malthouse suggested he had work to do before he did so.
"He's a 25-possession player from the weekend (in the VFL but) he still needs weight and he needs consistency," he said.
- See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-22/blues-wont-sanction-yarran#sthash.7mMxx102.dpuf
Not sure Boekhorst will get a softer ride into AFL footy than playing the Saints..dont know what the other three have done ahead of BB to get picked either?
If you want to replace like for like with Yarrans omission it has to be Boekhorst. They are both outside run and carry players.
Not sure how/why you'd pick rainbow before boeky.
Dick will give you run and carry....if he was a rugby player he'd be great..unfortunately you need to kick the ball in AFL footy and lets just say he isn't a Chris Yarran when it comes to that.
Buckley would be my 2nd choice behind Boeky to replace Yazz.
If you want to replace like for like with Yarrans omission it has to be Boekhorst. They are both outside run and carry players.
Not sure how/why you'd pick rainbow before boeky.
Dick will give you run and carry....if he was a rugby player he'd be great..unfortunately you need to kick the ball in AFL footy and lets just say he isn't a Chris Yarran when it comes to that.
Buckley would be my 2nd choice behind Boeky to replace Yazz.
Boekhorst is a wingman not a HBF, he isn't accountable and too easily disposed of in contests. Viojo-Rainbow and Buckley are both HBFs!
Boekhorst is a wingman not a HBF, he isn't accountable and too easily disposed of in contests. Viojo-Rainbow and Buckley are both HBFs!
It will come down to match ups.
I couldn't tell you bugger all about the Saints they've changed so much in 3 years.
Do they have small forward or two that Bucks can play on?
Do they have small forward or two that Bucks can play on?
You'd match him up against Saad surely!
Boekhorst is a wingman not a HBF, he isn't accountable and too easily disposed of in contests. Viojo-Rainbow and Buckley are both HBFs!
Byrne to half back...Boekmeister as the sub would be the way I would go...
The Rainbow warrior and SOJ have not been anything special in the NB's and Dick has been serviceable across HB without
being outstanding. Byrne in the last quarter vs Ess looked like he could give us some of that run and good disposal we will miss from Yarran...
It will come down to match ups.
I couldn't tell you bugger all about the Saints they've changed so much in 3 years.
Do they have small forward or two that Bucks can play on?
Young recruit in Jack Lonie who is the replacement for Milne..
You'd match him up against Saad surely!
Of course.
Forgot about the energy drink scapegoat.
@EB
Yes, Byrne looked good, one of our few bright spots. I would like to see him start the game, esp. V. The Saints.
ST KILDA will be without captain Nick Riewoldt and midfielder Leigh Montagna for this Saturday’s Anzac Day match against Carlton in Wellington.
http://www.saints.com.au/news/2015-04-22/riewoldt-and-montagna-ruled-out
Seriously, if we cant beat a Riewoldt and Mongtagnaless Aints team, then wow, MM and the boys should stay in NZ as Prices Park will burn!!!!
http://www.saints.com.au/news/2015-04-22/riewoldt-and-montagna-ruled-out
Seriously, if we cant beat a Riewoldt and Mongtagnaless Aints team, then wow, MM and the boys should stay in NZ as Prices Park will burn!!!!
Treat every opponent with respect, have a plan, execute the plan, the rest will take care of itself.
Treat every opponent with respect, have a plan, execute the plan, the rest will take care of itself.
Amen!
We haven't been able to yet this season, but if we can, we should prosper.
We'll smack the Saints and I'll tip it now, knock off the Pies too.
Positive things will start to happen as the team settles and more personal is available.
Go Baggers
Sending a squad of 25
Carlton
In: D.Buckley, M.Whiley, K.Jaksch, B.Boekhorst, M.Dick
Out: C.Yarran (suspension), C.Byrne (hamstring)
New: Blaine Boekhorst (Swan Districts), Matthew Dick (Sydney Swans)
Ox is saying on SEN that his information is that Judd has a sore back and won't make the trip over.
Sending a squad of 25
Carlton
In: D.Buckley, M.Whiley, K.Jaksch, B.Boekhorst, M.Dick
Out: C.Yarran (suspension), C.Byrne (hamstring)
New: Blaine Boekhorst (Swan Districts), Matthew Dick (Sydney Swans)
Ox is saying on SEN that his information is that Judd has a sore back and won't make the trip over.
Judd was supposed to be a late out last week with a shoulder too.
....from carrying us for the past 5 years.
Apparently Whiley was a late withdrawal. Not sure what happened to him.
Byrne is out with a 'minor' hamstring. That couldn't be worse! He plays a good first game and then misses with injury!
As for Judd, I'd love to have him play. However, he needs to be 100%. If he isn't, then I wouldn't take the risk. He is just too important, which says a lot about the state of our list.
Ox is saying on SEN that his information is that Judd has a sore back and won't make the trip over.
If we are looking at giving Judd a controlled load this year, this would be the perfect game for him to watch it on the Telly with Bec and the family.
If we are looking at giving Judd a controlled load this year, this would be the perfect game for him to watch it on the Telly with Bec and the family.
I hope he has pay TV then ;)
Byrne's hammy is disappointing; I was looking forward to seeing how he would go in a full game.
Apparently Whiley was a late withdrawal. Not sure what happened to him.
The rumors are he was listed but some family issue stopped him travelling.
I hope he has pay TV then ;)
If we lose, I'll be happy I don't ;D
Byrne's hammy is disappointing; I was looking forward to seeing how he would go in a full game.
When did he do it?
When did he do it?
At training apparently.
At training apparently.
Happens very often. Either not warmed up enough or just one of those things. How many times have we heard of injuries at training with any player of any club. Could be something from a niggle in a previous game that just never settled properly.
Happens very often. Either not warmed up enough or just one of those things. How many times have we heard of injuries at training with any player of any club. Could be something from a niggle in a previous game that just never settled properly.
If he has to do a hammy, it's better that it happened at training and not in the first quarter against St Kilda.
Hopefully, it's just a niggle and won't keep him out for long.
So what is the go with Whiley. Word is he is out and replaced by Tutt.
Nothing official has come from the club??
So what is the go with Whiley. Word is he is out and replaced by Tutt.
Nothing official has come from the club??
:o
Well, at least one Saints player will be in for an easy day.
Well it wouldnt be Carlton without at least one draft disaster per year. Smith, KJ, have shown glimpses they will be ok. Even Jones has shown a little. Jury is out with those who havent played yet. Tutt has shown he is a sh#$ truck and we should cut our losses immediately for the short term. He should be given strict KPI's to meet in the twos before he is considered for senior selection. He needs to rip it up in the 2's for several weeks in row at least. He has been given a lifeline, he owes us bigtime.
Judd was not on plane to NZ
Judd was not on plane to NZ
Lets hope this is finally some seriously sensible player management, and not a sign of a broken player who is about to pull the pin?
Will be Dirty if WHiley doesnt play.. so looking forward to him having a crack. Him and Cripps will "rebuild" our midfield.
Judd is flying by private jet.
So what is the go with Whiley. Word is he is out and replaced by Tutt.
Nothing official has come from the club??
One of the pages on the club or AFL site said Whiley was withdrawn from the squad 1hr after it was announced!
Will be Dirty if WHiley doesnt play.. so looking forward to him having a crack. Him and Cripps will "rebuild" our midfield.
Whiley was withdrawn from the squad last night. Not sure why though
This has to be the worst team we have fielded since late 2012
:o
Well, at least one Saints player will be in for an easy day.
I wouldn't be so sure. He kicked 3 goals and had the aggot roughly 25 times last weekend.
I don't mind Tutt. I think he has something, and I think he might have been the most bargain recruit we have picked up in a while. Let's not blame West Coast on him. roughly 19 blokes were more at fault than he was for how that panned out.
Just caught the tail end of a sky news report
Thought they said Judd's out with hamstring soreness (rostered off).
Just caught the tail end of a sky news report
Thought they said Judd's out with hamstring soreness (rostered off).
Too much goal kicking practice! :o
Too much goal kicking practice! :o
Legs are no longer up to the weight of holding up his shoulders, which is supporting 3/4 of our "senior" team at the moment.
If there wasn't, what appears to be, a rift between the club and the coach, I'd say the tank is ON!
If there wasn't, what appears to be, a rift between the club and the coach, I'd say the tank is ON!
Certainly seems like there could well be some kind of armoured vehicle appearing on the horizon.
For me:
In - Buckley, Boekhorst, Dick, Jaksch
Out - Yarran (susp), Byrne (inj), Judd (inj), Curnow (omit)
* Whiley (unavailable)
Team:
B: Tuohy, Rowe, Everitt
Hb: Docherty, Jamison, Simpson
C: Boekhorst, Cripps, Buckley
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Armfield
F: Ellard, Casboult, Jones
Foll: Wood, Gibbs
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Bell, Carrazzo, Dick, Jaksch
*Jones, not Casboult, to be used as relief/2nd ruck.
Judd was not on plane to NZ
He just walks mate ;)
He just walks mate ;)
:))
Wouldn't even get his feet wet.
Does anyone know why WHiley is unavailable
Does anyone know why WHiley is unavailable
I've heard it is family related.
Judd is flying by private jet.
To the Bahamas obviously! ;D
Judd out....tanking!
17. Sam Rowe 40. Michael Jamison 42. Zach Tuohy
6. Kade Simpson 15. Sam Docherty 1. Andrew Walker
27. Dennis Armfield 9. Patrick Cripps 33. Andrejs Everitt
28. Tom Bell 41. Levi Casboult 46. David Ellard
3. Marc Murphy (C) 14. Liam Jones 23. Lachie Henderson
36. Cameron Wood 4. Bryce Gibbs 44. Andrew Carrazzo
12. Blaine Boekhorst 7. Dylan Buckley 35. Ed Curnow 22. Jason Tutt
Emergencies
31. Matthew Dick 32. Nick Graham 18. Kristian Jaksch
Boeky to debut.
Buckley back.
Funky back in as well.
Jaksch as an emergency to possibly replace Jamo who is under a cloud.
How the feck does Curnow hold a place after his first 3 games. FMD.
So let me start by saying I don't want to glamourise war or compare football to it and be disrespectful. But our mobs has its collective back against the wall like never before, I hope they dig deep this Sat and find some "digger" spirit and chalk up a win.
Go Blues
Hope Bucks makes an impression. I think he adds something we desperately lack.
Injuries to key players on both sides. Overseas flight. Might give the most ordinary game of all time a shake.
Blues by 32 (prepare for a hellish week)
How the feck does Curnow hold a place after his first 3 games. FMD.
I had him in my outs.
We have a side with Curnow, Armfield, Ellard, Bell and Tutt.
All honest tryers, but not your most skilled players going around. Certainly not going to win you many games off their own boot.
Add in players who have played a handful of games...
Boekhorst, Buckley and Cripps.
Lucky we are only playing Saints.
Lucky we are only playing Saints.
You just had to throw in that line ;)
Curnow, Armfield, Ellard, Bell and Tutt. Would any of these guys get a run at Box Hill?
Curnow, Armfield, Ellard, Bell and Tutt. Would any of these guys get a run at Box Hill?
Box Hill got rid of Curnow didnt they?
Curnow, Armfield, Ellard, Bell and Tutt. Would any of these guys get a run at Box Hill?
Tutt might struggle, the others would be walk up starts.
But, back to the side selected to play the Saints. Jaksch has been one of the few shining lights among our new additions. If he is fit, he should be in the 22. If he is going to come into the side for Jamison, Henderson will have to play in defence.
It will be interesting to see how Boekhurst goes. Hopefully he doesn't frequent this site and won't be under additional pressure to perform.
Buckley's selection is good news. I know his form hasn't been great but he really has a dip and you can't ask for more.
I'm a little surprised that Jones and Ellard got another run. Well, I'm not really surprised about Jones; he has to get a few more games to justify the trade. Who knows, everything may click for him this week and I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Finally, Ed Curnow's strength is his ability to run his opponents into the ground. Don't play him as a half back where he can't use his tank and doesn't provide the run and carry that is necessary in today's footy.
Box Hill got rid of Curnow didnt they?
:))
We recruited him but that was pretty funny.
Judd has got back soreness. Would have played if the game was on a Sunday and against Collingwood.
The rest will do him good.
Curnow and Rowe are in the team only because we lack reserves. Curnow, probably because Whiley couldn't go. Rowe, because we lack another big log of wood to replace him.
I'm actually very excited about this game, not only do we get to see Bucks, Blainester and Jaksch in action the game also starts at 11:30AM! Think of Shades and CIMM they'll be tuning in at 830AM! :P
We STILL can't get to 46,000 members. Forget about us getting to 50,000!!
I'm actually very excited about this game, not only do we get to see Bucks, Blainester and Jaksch in action the game also starts at 11:30AM! Think of Shades and CIMM they'll be tuning in at 830AM! :P
I'm old. I don't wake up till 1.00 in the afternoon.
In fact at my age, I'm lucky to wake up at all. :-[ :-[ :-\ :-\
You'll be right BC! Just think, you will end up having seen a lot more premierships than me! I've seen two and one of them I was only 11.
We STILL can't get to 46,000 members. Forget about us getting to 50,000!!
I suppose I should explain. I've been watching the total for the last three weeks and it has been virtually unchanged in that time. I know we haven't won a game, but we have had that much written about us and Mick's forthcoming milestone etc, and we still can't get supporters to part with their hard earned.
The Club have got a hell of a lot of work to do to regain the confidence of the non-committed supporters out there.
Mind you, winning a game or six, might be a good start.
I'm actually very excited about this game, not only do we get to see Bucks, Blainester and Jaksch in action the game also starts at 11:30AM! Think of Shades and CIMM they'll be tuning in at 830AM! :P
Just gettin in Carrots, just gettin in. :) ;) ;)
May as well get Curnow to 100 games.
You'll be right BC! Just think, you will end up having seen a lot more premierships than me! I've seen two and one of them I was only 11.
I might have written this before, but in 1968, John Nicholls, who we were very close to, got me and my brother tickets to the Grand Final. It was our first experience of going.
We sat next to an indigenous young bloke, and another young bloke.
I was talking through the game to the indigenous fellow, and not having any brains then, I've got even less now, I didn't introduce myself, or ask who he was.
After we won the game, I said to him, we are going to be even better next year when Jackson and Thornley come over and play with us.
It was only then that he introduced himself as Syd Jackson, and said about the bloke that had sat next to him, and that's Bert Thornley.
Both played in the 70 grand Final, with Thornley, I think it was, going off at half time to make way for Hopkins who kicked 4 goals.
I got to know Syd, a really lovely bloke, quite well, over the ensuing years, and whenever I see Syd, and it's been a while, we always laugh about that day.
There you have it, what a great story. I haven't seen us win a GF live, my greatest triumph is the 99 Prelim.
There you have it, what a great story. I haven't seen us win a GF live, my greatest triumph is the 99 Prelim.
Sigh....seen 79, 82, 87, 93 failure, 95 (what a forken day), 99 failure. They were the days boys, they were indeed the days.
I might have written this before, but in 1968, John Nicholls, who we were very close to, got me and my brother tickets to the Grand Final. It was our first experience of going.
We sat next to an indigenous young bloke, and another young bloke.
I was talking through the game to the indigenous fellow, and not having any brains then, I've got even less now, I didn't introduce myself, or ask who he was.
After we won the game, I said to him, we are going to be even better next year when Jackson and Thornley come over and play with us.
It was only then that he introduced himself as Syd Jackson, and said about the bloke that had sat next to him, and that's Bert Thornley.
Both played in the 70 grand Final, with Thornley, I think it was, going off at half time to make way for Hopkins who kicked 4 goals.
I got to know Syd, a really lovely bloke, quite well, over the ensuing years, and whenever I see Syd, and it's been a while, we always laugh about that day.
:D
Great story bignic ;)
Hopefully the young folk get to experience some success before too long.
looks like we will wait umtil next week at the earliest to see Whiley and Jacksch play together, not a bad stage to do it on, the MCG vs the old enemy if it happens.
This has to be the worst team we have fielded since late 2012
Agreed. Judd, Yarran, Kreuzer, Menzel, Warnock & Thomas are all in our best 22 and we don't have the list to cover their absence.
Agreed. Judd, Yarran, Kreuzer, Menzel, Warnock & Thomas are all in our best 22 and we don't have the list to cover their absence.
What is more sad, is the fact that Judd isn't the man he was in the past. He gets tagged every game to shut him down. Kreuzer can't be injury free to get out on the park. Warnock isn't that good to start with. Thomas suffers the same issues Kreuzer does. Can't be injury free enough to do something on the field. Menzel has moments when he wants to work and moments when he just can't be bothered. Yarran sometimes has the same issues Menzel has, when he isn't punching guys out and getting 3 week suspensions. What a sad collective group we have at our club. >:(
This game against St Kilda is not going to be easy for us at all. Don't expect a great result if you are realistic. By all means be optimistic, but don't let the reality ruin your afternoon.
if you have pay TV you will be lucky enough to see us play. The game starts at 11:10 our time.
I don't have pay TV, so it is pretty unlikely that I'll see even a minute of the game.
I really have to do something about that. I am getting pretty frustrated not seeing games because they are on pay TV only. It is only going to get worse if we can't start playing some decent footy. >:( >:( >:(
The lineups:
Yes, I know our team was already posted, but the 'Aints weren't.
Carlton
B: Sam Rowe, Michael Jamison, Zach Tuohy.
HB: Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty, Andrew Walker.
C: Dennis Armfield, Patrick Cripps, Andrejs Everitt.
HF: Tom Bell, Levi Casboult, David Ellard.
F: Marc Murphy, Liam Jones, Lachie Henderson.
Foll: Cameron Wood, Bryce Gibbs, Andrew Carrazzo.
I/C: Blaine Boekhorst, Dylan Buckley, Ed Curnow, Jason Tutt.
Emg: Matthew Dick, Nick Graham, Kristian Jaksch
St Kilda
B: Sean Dempster, Luke Delaney, Cameron Shenton.
HB: Dylan Roberton, Sam Fisher, Jarryn Geary.
C: Shane Savage, David Armitage, Jack Newnes.
HF: Adam Schneider, Josh Bruce, Tim Membrey.
F: Jack Billings, Paddy McCartin, Jack Lonie.
Foll: Billy Longer, Luke Dunstan, Jack Steven.
I/C: Tom Curren, Nathan Wright, Ahmed Saad, Jack Sinclair.
Emg: Tom Hickey, Darren Minchington, Blake Acres
My 2 cents worth:
Having only 1 ruckman and having Casboult as the backup is still an issue for me, even though Wood played very well last week and out midfield clearances were among the best they've been since Diesel was there. Longer does not fill me with fear yet and they also have serious big man issues: I honestly cannot see who is going to give Longer a break. I'm hoping for a positive showing in the middle, but we will really miss Judd's class.
I am glad to see some pacy players in the side. Hopefully we can improve our outside run. Last week we were incredibly poor in this area and Essendon killed us on the rebound. St. Kilda don't have the same skill level, but no names tend to do well against us. The 'Aints have a lot of no names.
I am worried about Jamo's fitness. At the moment, his form was on the improve last week, especially late in the game. He could be very handy. However, if he isn't fit, then it is better not to play him. I hope Jaksch is ready. To me he didn't appear to be up to the pace of the game yet. However, he is the future. He will get more game time. I just hope we don't screw him up by playing him when he isn't ready.
I hope we are not disrespecting the 'Aints. Their form was good in the first 2 rounds, although they were ordinary last week. Our form has been nothing to write home about. I really want us to come out like we played in the last quarter last week.
Agreed. Judd, Yarran, Kreuzer, Menzel, Warnock & Thomas are all in our best 22 and we don't have the list to cover their absence.
We certainly do not seem to be getting any respect at the moment. Having these guys fit and firing would make a tremendous difference to our team. Nobody seems to realize this among the pundits.
White would be a starter as well: he was playing very well before he was hurt. Take 6 or 7 of your best out of any team and they would struggle.
Without Reiwoldt and Montagna we should beat Stkilda...Lenny Hayes who use to dine out against us is also gone, they are a bunch of kids essentially and players like Murphy and Gibbs should be in the best players on the ground.
Lose to Stkilda and we are rockbottom and Malthouse should resign...maybe Laidley should have coached this week if the Malthouse family are upset at Micks treatment/scrutiny in the media etc...
There you have it, what a great story. I haven't seen us win a GF live, my greatest triumph is the 99 Prelim.
Seen them all from 1968 onwards. That one was after a 21 year drought.
Could be worse, Collingwood have only won 4 in the last 79 years. Not alot of joy there.
We have an advantage. We're undefeated in NZ while St.Kilda have never won there...haha!
Without Reiwoldt and Montagna we should beat Stkilda...Lenny Hayes who use to dine out against us is also gone, they are a bunch of kids essentially and players like Murphy and Gibbs should be in the best players on the ground.
Lose to Stkilda and we are rockbottom and Malthouse should resign...maybe Laidley should have coached this week if the Malthouse family are upset at Micks treatment/scrutiny in the media etc...
Miklshake should do the honourable thing and step down after equaling the record. Be a Mark Taylor mick, and not a glory hunting Matthew Hayden, getting easy runs that you don't deserve.
Miklshake should do the honourable thing and step down after equaling the record. Be a Mark Taylor mick, and not a glory hunting Matthew Hayden, getting easy runs that you don't deserve.
Harsh
Curnow, Armfield, Ellard, Bell and Tutt. Would any of these guys get a run at Box Hill?
Yep, but only around the boundary line though !! ;D
Lose to Stkilda and we are rockbottom and Malthouse should resign...maybe Laidley should have coached this week if the Malthouse family are upset at Micks treatment/scrutiny in the media etc...
Agree wholeheartedly but we can't lose this one, surely ??
We have the edge in most areas so it would have to be a complete & utter disaster to drop this one, would be one of the biggest embarrassments of our time as well too if it were to happen.
There would be no escaping the scrutiny and heads would have to roll, would make for an interesting week in the AFL though. ;)
I don't believe we are trying to win TBH.
I don't believe we are trying to win TBH.
Reckon the tank is on?...I.keep hearing about the two for one deal in terms of selling off one pick and getting two lesser picks in return.
Someone at the club mentioned it but I forget who it was....think last trade period that GWS offered the Saints two top ten picks for their 1st pick(could have been 4 and 7).
If we do get the No 1 pick and you could be right about not trying to win then I think we will try and trade it off for two picks like GWS wanted to trade...
Tanking after round 3 would have to set a new standard in defeatism :(
I wouldn't be against trading 1 for 4 & 6 provided it's a very even draft between the top 10.
I wouldn't be against trading 1 for 4 & 6 provided it's a very even draft between the top 10.
x2...We have to play the odds and having two picks in the top ten gives you more chance of snaring at least one quality player.
I wasnt against the Pick 7 for Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhorst and thought that has been one of our better trades over the recent years.
Reckon the tank is on?...I.keep hearing about the two for one deal in terms of selling off one pick and getting two lesser picks in return.
Someone at the club mentioned it but I forget who it was....think last trade period that GWS offered the Saints two top ten picks for their 1st pick(could have been 4 and 7).
If we do get the No 1 pick and you could be right about not trying to win then I think we will try and trade it off for two picks like GWS wanted to trade...
It's just a feeling I get.
3 hammy's in a week.
Super defensive footy.
Resting Judd.
Smith as a sub.
If Micks not part of the tank corp he's doing a mighty fine impersonation of Rommel.
I wouldn't be against trading 1 for 4 & 6 provided it's a very even draft between the top 10.
Yep number 1 rarely becomes the best player in their draft.
If we are indeed tanking then I would take that as an indicator that Mick's contract could well be extended, maybe with some new assistants.
All this Tanking talk is rubbish. Come on guys it is Round 3 FFS.
Do you really want our club to be labelled with this Tanking again?
No chance we are tanking.
No point taking as there's no priority picks anymore
Anyway, its 1 year since the infamous Round 4 match against the lowly Dees this time last year.
Very much hoping history doesn't repeat itself.
Add some spice to the game!
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/27321604/strong-quake-shakes-nz/?cmp=fb
Sweet! We may win be default!
Lose this and it's curtains for this club. Must win game, but I don't have much faith. Here's hoping !!
:D
Great story bignic ;)
Hopefully the young folk get to experience some success before too long.
Thanks mate. An unforgettable experience, although I reckon being there in 1970, probably tops them all!! ;D ;D ;D
There you have it, what a great story. I haven't seen us win a GF live, my greatest triumph is the 99 Prelim.
Have faith mate. We hadn't won one for 21 years before that 68 success, and we did our best to kick ourselves out of it. Nothing has changed in that regard, has it. Also, I reckon Geoff Blethyn who played for Essendon and was the only Full Forward, and possibly player that I have seen playing in glasses, probably should have been paid a mark in the 10 metre square which would have won the game for Essendon. Glad it wasn't, of course!!
It's only been 20 years, this time, so we have a year to go before we start panicking that like my missus, who is a demons supporter, we will never see another flag in our life-time.
All this Tanking talk is rubbish. Come on guys it is Round 3 FFS.
Do you really want our club to be labelled with this Tanking again?
No chance we are tanking.
Agree. You would have to be a client of Stephen Dank and taking some of those so called legal drugs, if you think we are tanking.
Just to clarify things... we've had two tremors in the past two days here in Wellington but no way it was 6.4. It was about 6 at the epicentre around Kaikoura which is near the top of the South Island... Wellington is at the bottom of the north island. We live about 10 minutes from the 'cake tin', the name the locals have for Westpac Stadium, and the tremor shook the windows and doors a bit for about 10 seconds and that was it. More a rolling rumble than a violent shaking. Yesterday was similar but for about 4 seconds. Calling what happened today a 'quake' would be like suggesting that Davey Ellard is tall.
Just to clarify things... we've had two tremors in the past two days here in Wellington but no way it was 6.4. It was about 6 at the epicentre around Kaikoura which is near the top of the South Island... Wellington is at the bottom of the north island. We live about 10 minutes from the 'cake tin', the name the locals have for Westpac Stadium, and the tremor shook the windows and doors a bit for about 10 seconds and that was it. More a rolling rumble than a violent shaking. Yesterday was similar but for about 4 seconds. Calling what happened today a 'quake' would be like suggesting that Davey Ellard is tall.
Don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't mind the earth moving for me like that ;) ;) ;) ;) >:D
Just to clarify things... we've had two tremors in the past two days here in Wellington but no way it was 6.4. It was about 6 at the epicentre around Kaikoura which is near the top of the South Island... Wellington is at the bottom of the north island. We live about 10 minutes from the 'cake tin', the name the locals have for Westpac Stadium, and the tremor shook the windows and doors a bit for about 10 seconds and that was it. More a rolling rumble than a violent shaking. Yesterday was similar but for about 4 seconds. Calling what happened today a 'quake' would be like suggesting that Davey Ellard is tall.
WTF Baggers you in Wellington now????
WTF Baggers you in Wellington now????
Hmmmmmm.
Yes, Mate. Still get to Oz every few weeks on work. Probably be back in Oz late this year or early next year when the project here is finished.
Off to the game tomorrow. Been a surprise packet here in NZ in terms of great weather (not as cold as the summmer in Melbourne this year!!!) and friendly people, as long as you don't take the p1ss out of rugby :-X
Forecast for tomorrow is 17 and sunny.
@Baggers
Love the South Island!
Have you tried the Whitebait Fritters yet Baggers, mm, mmm! :)
@Baggers
Love the South Island!
Have you tried the Whitebait Fritters yet Baggers, mm, mmm! :)
Now Fluffy One, you're a man after my own heart... love whitebait, and yes, at a fabulous seafood place just out of Blenheim, and then again on the Kapiti Coast. I've done a few trips since being here (arrived in December last year) to the South Island and it is truly spectacular. Also did the drive from Wellington to Auckland last month... amazing. Work brought us both here as, sadly, Mrs Baggers step dad is dying so we're spending a year here supporting her mum and the rest of the family through this difficult time. (Mrs Baggers is the Kiwi though she moved to Oz 22 years ago, and always had a job!!!! ;) ;D
@Baggers
Mate, sorry to hear about your wife's step dad, and all the best for what must be trying times. At least enjoy the game tomorrow.
Have faith mate. We hadn't won one for 21 years before that 68 success, and we did our best to kick ourselves out of it. Nothing has changed in that regard, has it. Also, I reckon Geoff Blethyn who played for Essendon and was the only Full Forward, and possibly player that I have seen playing in glasses, probably should have been paid a mark in the 10 metre square which would have won the game for Essendon. Glad it wasn't, of course!!
It's only been 20 years, this time, so we have a year to go before we start panicking that like my missus, who is a demons supporter, we will never see another flag in our life-time.
Rod Macfarlane, who I played with at Coburg Ammos, wore glasses and was on the Essendon list. Not sure he cracked it for a game. He kicked the ton for us.
Carlton had a bloke who played in glasses; Tony Southcombe. He could have been a key forward for many years but opted to go home to Bendigo.
Rod Macfarlane, who I played with at Coburg Ammos, wore glasses and was on the Essendon list. Not sure he cracked it for a game. He kicked the ton for us.
Carlton had a bloke who played in glasses; Tony Southcombe. He could have been a key forward for many years but opted to go home to Bendigo.
Dalton Gooding for Claremont in the WAFL.
There was a guy who played for the Saints in around 1980 who used to wear goggles with corrective lenses - can't remember his name now??
Weather here today in Wellington just spectacular, with the same predicted tomorrow. Seen a few Saints supporters parading around town today in their full game garb....scarfs and all.....wankers. Whereas the Carlton supporters have been much more subtle about their support. Had David Rhys-Jones, Chris Connolly and Nathan Thompson on my flight. The shuttle bus driver said it'd been non-stop AFL visitors he'd been shuttling all day.
For anyone who hasn't visited (and I hadn't before today) this is one incredibly beautiful city......seriously beautiful.
Weather here today in Wellington just spectacular, with the same predicted tomorrow. Seen a few Saints supporters parading around town today in their full game garb....scarfs and all.....wankers. Whereas the Carlton supporters have been much more subtle about their support. Had David Rhys-Jones, Chris Connolly and Nathan Thompson on my flight. The shuttle bus driver said it'd been non-stop AFL visitors he'd been shuttling all day.
For anyone who hasn't visited (and I hadn't before today) this is one incredibly beautiful city......seriously beautiful.
It's like living in a postcard! Although our stay here might only be a year or so I am gobsmacked at the beauty of Wellington. And you can see the European influence in the architecture of the homes, no square boxes, all Elizabethan/Victorian/Edwardian etc. And the huge harbour, one of the biggest in the southern hemisphere. And when you tell the locals you're an Aussie, they're just so friendly.
Saw a Bledisloe Cup match there a few years back. Glad we lost - there were a lot of big Maori boys about in the crowd (and bars later) you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of!
Weather here today in Wellington just spectacular, with the same predicted tomorrow. Seen a few Saints supporters parading around town today in their full game garb....scarfs and all.....wankers. Whereas the Carlton supporters have been much more subtle about their support. Had David Rhys-Jones, Chris Connolly and Nathan Thompson on my flight. The shuttle bus driver said it'd been non-stop AFL visitors he'd been shuttling all day.
For anyone who hasn't visited (and I hadn't before today) this is one incredibly beautiful city......seriously beautiful.
Hilly place. Reminded me a bit of Hobart. Did like it even with their wind.
You didn't get swallowed up in the earthquake?
Be a nice, early start for the West Aussies posters tomorrow!
Be a nice, early start for the West Aussies posters tomorrow!
3am for the Swiss resident...
Is Boekhorst the first AFL player to make his AFL debut outside Australia?
Is Boekhorst the first AFL player to make his AFL debut outside Australia?
He and Matthew Dick. Late replacement for Tutt. Dick is sub.
Dick in ::)
Dick in ::)
Tutt nobbled by that old military man, General Soreness.