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Title: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2016, 07:39:59 pm
Carlton play Port Adelaide at Etihad at 1310 next Sunday, 15th May. Could it be 4 in a row?
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cimm1979 on May 07, 2016, 07:50:29 pm
Carlton play Port Adelaide at Etihad at 1310 next Sunday, 15th May. Could it be 4 in a row?

10 goal win to the Blues.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2016, 08:01:49 pm
10 goal win to the Blues.
Not out of the question. However, I don't intend to count my chooks until I eat them at KFC. :)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2016, 08:08:15 pm
If its another ugly win, Ill take it every day of the week and twice on Sundays (pun intended)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2016, 08:10:44 pm
If its another ugly win, I'll take it every day of the week and twice on Sundays (pun intended).
:) :) I won't complain either, although I might look back at the recordings in a few years and try not to cringe.
Sunday might well be Pun-day!
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: pinot on May 08, 2016, 07:35:54 am
Ball movement was better against Lollingwood.

Need class and polish to finish the boys hard work in defence and midfield.

Just keep doing what we have been doing I will be pleased. Curnow, Cripps, Kerridge and Gibbs just cracking in.. get the ball in Gibbs and Murphys hands often because A grade skills are bloody important
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bigblue on May 08, 2016, 08:11:53 am
Will be interesting to see how the players approach this one. They'd be full of confidence after 3 wins on the trot  and should go in as favourites. In the past, this is the type of game they'd really let us down in .
I'm feeling very confident. I dont expect a big win but this team, lead by BB, are a completely different kettle of fish compared to previous teams. Im loving it.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on May 08, 2016, 08:30:47 am
If its another ugly win, Ill take it every day of the week and twice on Sundays (pun intended)

Really looking forward to it. BB won't let us rest on our laurels, we are focused on kicking and gouging our way out of the basement. As that Johnny Cash song goes ' Rollin' around in the mud, the blood and the beer'.  :)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2016, 09:08:23 am
Extra Days rest also suits us. Is JW a sneaky chance to come back? Listening to Trigg on SEN yesterday pre game, he was asked something like "if it was round 22 and a spot in the 8 was on the line, would he play this week". Trigg answered he probably still would have missed a week. he said we have to wait and see if he has full strength in the shoulder. Sounds to me like it wasnt that bad.
Trigg was also asked about contract talks with JW, he joked around about having a contract in his back pocket that tied him to the club for life!! Said that they would get an extention done sooner rather than later.
PS How good is it that an 18 year "old man" is having such an impact on the whole club and supporter base. He is indeed a very special young "old" man. We are blessed to have him.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 08, 2016, 08:29:02 pm
Port impressive vs a lacklustre Brisbane but I think we will be looking to make it ugly footy and wont cough up as many goals....all teams have one annoying player and for its Jasper Pittard for Port....doesnt miind getting involved in push and shove games(dont know why because he cant fight) but usually comes in late when opposing players are not looking and gets a cheap shot in. Always looking for the easy receive across half back too and generally just annoys  me and I hope to see him sat on his backside at some stage...

Port are good frontrunners but I think Kruezer can give us first use vs the inexperienced Howard and we can make a game of it...something flakey about Port
and I reckon a bit of physical emphasis can put them off their game...
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Mantis on May 08, 2016, 09:30:36 pm
We have had some good games against Port in the past. It will be an interesting measure of where we are really at. I believe we can win, but there never really is a certainty in footy now days. ;)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on May 08, 2016, 09:48:39 pm
It's difficult to see us winning, we've beaten three of the weakest teams in the AFL and Port are a different kettle of fish.
I'll be happy with a united four quarter effort.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: JonHenry on May 08, 2016, 09:56:17 pm
It's difficult to see us winning, we've beaten three of the weakest teams in the AFL and Port are a different kettle of fish.
I'll be happy with a united four quarter effort.

Port haven't beaten much more.
6 day break vs our 7.
Game in Melb.
We are a chance against a side that loves to cheat and run forward of the contest
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on May 08, 2016, 10:07:01 pm
Port haven't beaten much more.
6 day break vs our 7.
Game in Melb.
We are a chance against a side that loves to cheat and run forward of the contest

We can put a lot of pressure on Port - don't know how they'll handle that tbh. We caused plenty of turnovers for the Pies, if you'll pardon the expression. I think we can go very close at least!
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 08, 2016, 10:15:14 pm
Assuming Kreuzer and Cripps play Port won't be able to use Trengrove like they did today. In effect Trengrove sacrificed the ruckwork to gather stoppage clearances. They used Trengrove like I would like to use Kreuzer, maximising the 2nd efforts.

We need to keep Boak in control, Ed should get that job. Port are a big contested possession side and sit on top of the 1%s. But despite that they have to win a lot of contested ball because they sit at the top of the clanger table. I think their weakness is talls, which is a strength for us. Murphy and Gibbs can expect to get worked over as Port sit close to the top of the tackling tables(Again see Clangers as a possible reason)

Wright will be a bonus for us.

Carlton by 9.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2016, 10:56:18 pm
Certainly we have to see how they used their rucks today and work out a way of beating it. Trengrove has the athleticism to hurt us in the ruck. Kreuzer cannot let him run around and take marks at will.
It will be very interesting to see how we think through what happened between Port and Brisbane, as Martin is one of the more effective rucks going around at the moment. We cannot afford to be taken, like Brisbane were today in that area.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on May 08, 2016, 11:00:15 pm
Port impressive vs a lacklustre Brisbane but I think we will be looking to make it ugly footy and wont cough up as many goals....all teams have one annoying player and for its Jasper Pittard for Port....doesnt miind getting involved in push and shove games(dont know why because he cant fight) but usually comes in late when opposing players are not looking and gets a cheap shot in. Always looking for the easy receive across half back too and generally just annoys  me and I hope to see him sat on his backside at some stage...

Port are good frontrunners but I think Kruezer can give us first use vs the inexperienced Howard and we can make a game of it...something flakey about Port
and I reckon a bit of physical emphasis can put them off their game...

Maybe a Levi-Liam sandwich will be on his menu! ;)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 08, 2016, 11:07:31 pm
Gibbs has something to prove after being stitched up last time we played them. You know those players with severe concussion from sling tackles, who could not stand up, but still played the next week! ;)

Wasn't it Port that bitched like cut snakes about Carlton, then sold Gibbs up the river with what in hindsight was a pretty bogus medical assessment?

We should not forget!
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cimm1979 on May 08, 2016, 11:50:06 pm
I expect Pittard to either get caught or run into a few dead ends.

Armfield will play defensive forward .

Good luck with that Gizper.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 09, 2016, 08:22:29 am
Gibbs has something to prove after being stitched up last time we played them. You know those players with severe concussion from sling tackles, who could not stand up, but still played the next week! ;)

Wasn't it Port that bitched like cut snakes about Carlton, then sold Gibbs up the river with what in hindsight was a pretty bogus medical assessment?

We should not forget!
I agree. Gibbs was shafted last year, no doubt about it. I hope we can show them the error of their ways.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on May 09, 2016, 09:02:03 am
Port haven't beaten much more.
6 day break vs our 7.
Game in Melb.
We are a chance against a side that loves to cheat and run forward of the contest

They've been beaten by Adelaide, Geelong and GWS, and beaten Richmond, Essendon, Brisbane and St Kilda easily.
St Kilda have run North and Hawthorn to a kick and are traveling pretty well for a side on a rebuild, and they thrashed the other lowly sides that they beat.
On form alone they should beat us comfortably but we are playing better than we were and sport throws up some odd results.
Boak is in top form and we've struggled with big bodied, quality midfielders in recent years, they also have several forwards capable of kicking multiple goals.
A win would be fantastic but it's hard to be confident.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on May 09, 2016, 09:44:17 am
They've been beaten by Adelaide, Geelong and GWS, and beaten Richmond, Essendon, Brisbane and St Kilda easily.
St Kilda have run North and Hawthorn to a kick and are traveling pretty well for a side on a rebuild, and they thrashed the other lowly sides that they beat.
On form alone they should beat us comfortably but we are playing better than we were and sport throws up some odd results.
Boak is in top form and we've struggled with big bodied, quality midfielders in recent years, they also have several forwards capable of kicking multiple goals.
A win would be fantastic but it's hard to be confident.

See what you're saying B4L but at the same time I really believe that we are learning and improving each week, plus our spirits are high and our pressure is very strong over 4Qs. We might just have the belief and endeavour to shock Port and sneak in - here's hoping anyway.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 09, 2016, 10:21:59 am
Gibbs has something to prove after being stitched up last time we played them. You know those players with severe concussion from sling tackles, who could not stand up, but still played the next week! ;)

Wasn't it Port that bitched like cut snakes about Carlton, then sold Gibbs up the river with what in hindsight was a pretty bogus medical assessment?

We should not forget!

Nah one of their reserves players had a crack on twitter but the actual club tried to help Gibbs saying Gray passed the concussion tests but they erred on the side of caution in subbing him out. North Melbourne are the club that try to screw everyone at the MRP except for the Cats, funny that.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on May 09, 2016, 10:29:40 am
Another thing and maybe off topic a bit, but Cripps is just an awesome unit.
He isn't as explosive as Judd was in his prime and probably never will be but he's just as hard to tackle as the Great Man, he's got Captain written all over him and along with Docherty and Weitering will form the basis of our leadership for a decade.
It's hard to believe that we got him at pick 13.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 09, 2016, 10:40:59 am
Another thing and maybe off topic a bit, but Cripps is just an awesome unit.
He isn't as explosive as Judd was in his prime and probably never will be but he's just as hard to tackle as the Great Man, he's got Captain written all over him and along with Docherty and Weitering will form the basis of our leadership for a decade.
It's hard to believe that we got him at pick 13.

Clubs are too worried about athletes and not worried enough about footballers.

I've been saying this for a long, long time. Great footballers get cut regularly from TAC Cup squads because the megalomaniac coaches have the idea "They can turn any athlete into a footballer, but they cannot turn footballers into athletes."

I've called that bullsh1t long ago, most of those athletes end up like Kane Lucas at best.

I've seen kids that club coaches have described as the next Leigh Matthews or Michael Voss, only get a game or two at TAC Cup when other players are injured. Get the BOG votes in the games they play, then get cut from the squad because they are too small or because they come last in a 4k or 10k time trial. The fact they get 40 possessions and kick goals is irrelevant, it's a forking disgrace!

The problem is the coach thinking that a good footballer won't make it in AFL unless he is an Olympic class athlete, and the brain dead TAC Cup and AFL coaches who have no game plan other than to run your opponent into the ground. The problem is the coach, not the player! ;)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on May 09, 2016, 10:57:21 am
Clubs are too worried about athletes and not worried enough about footballers.

Diesel Williams comes to mind LP.  ;)
If Sam Mitchell was quicker I've got no doubt that he would have gone much higher in the draft, ditto Cameron Ling.
It's probably no coincidence that those two were drafted by Hawthorn and Geelong.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Dominator_7 on May 09, 2016, 03:22:35 pm
Another thing and maybe off topic a bit, but Cripps is just an awesome unit.
He isn't as explosive as Judd was in his prime and probably never will be but he's just as hard to tackle as the Great Man, he's got Captain written all over him and along with Docherty and Weitering will form the basis of our leadership for a decade.
It's hard to believe that we got him at pick 13.

His dash through the middle of the G in the 3rd, where he dodged two Filth players and passed it off to Murph, who in turn passed it off to Wright for a goal, was the stuff only a gun player could do.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on May 09, 2016, 03:48:31 pm
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-06-22/WWL-round-12-port (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-06-22/WWL-round-12-port)

Great pic of Menzel, Bell and Hendo (the latter working hard off the ball as always)!

Who was the tackler? Is he still with us?!!
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 09, 2016, 04:17:47 pm
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-06-22/WWL-round-12-port (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-06-22/WWL-round-12-port)

Great pic of Menzel, Bell and Hendo (the latter working hard off the ball as always)!

Who was the tackler? Is he still with us?!!
I gotta say out of those three? I only miss Belly and his big body through the middle and HFF. He was a hack with his disposal at times but was a brute and could kick a goal from a long way out. He would have been nice to keep alongside Crippa and Kerro.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on May 09, 2016, 04:57:24 pm
I gotta say out of those three? I only miss Belly and his big body through the middle and HFF. He was a hack with his disposal at times but was a brute and could kick a goal from a long way out. He would have been nice to keep alongside Crippa and Kerro.

Agreed, he was getting better every game too - his disposal was becoming less of a liability - and he wasn't Robinson Carusoe at CFC!
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on May 09, 2016, 06:49:43 pm
I like Simon White as a full-on competitor but the defence looks stronger with Jamo.

I was surprised that Graham was dropped last week so, after a lone-hand (almost) performance in the VFL this week, he could be considered for promotion if there is a vacancy.

Everitt and Lamb seem to perform a similar role with both seeming to be too slow to provide the defensive chase that is evident with the rest of the team. Everitt tends to have higher highs and lower lows (often in the same game) so I would not be surprised to see Lamb miss out if there is pressure for selection
 
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 09, 2016, 08:10:31 pm
I thought that Army's nous and defensive pressure was valuable.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 09, 2016, 09:20:30 pm
I like Simon White as a full-on competitor but the defence looks stronger with Jamo.

I was surprised that Graham was dropped last week so, after a lone-hand (almost) performance in the VFL this week, he could be considered for promotion if there is a vacancy.

Everitt and Lamb seem to perform a similar role with both seeming to be too slow to provide the defensive chase that is evident with the rest of the team. Everitt tends to have higher highs and lower lows (often in the same game) so I would not be surprised to see Lamb miss out if there is pressure for selection

I thought Lamb went ok and provided some decent contests...got up the nose of Ben Reid at one stage and I think he has changed his game style to follow the coaches orders.....coaches like that and I dont see him dropped while he continues to follow directions and create opportunities for others.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 09, 2016, 09:40:14 pm
I thought Lamb went ok and provided some decent contests...got up the nose of Ben Reid at one stage and I think he has changed his game style to follow the coaches orders.....coaches like that and I dont see him dropped while he continues to follow directions and create opportunities for others.
I thought Lamb played his most effective game for us to date. However, I gave some votes to Graham last week and it didn't stop him from being dropped.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on May 09, 2016, 09:46:30 pm
I thought Lamb played his most effective game for us to date. However, I gave some votes to Graham last week and it didn't stop him from being dropped.

It's a positive when we can't always find a spot for a player who has been playing OK and is no bad reflection on that player.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Dominator_7 on May 10, 2016, 09:58:34 am
Agreed, he was getting better every game too - his disposal was becoming less of a liability - and he wasn't Robinson Carusoe at CFC!

I disagree. His disposal was still an issue til the very end. I don't miss the constant turnovers from him and knob head Robbo.

Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 10, 2016, 10:56:45 am
Agreed, he was getting better every game too - his disposal was becoming less of a liability - and he wasn't Robinson Carusoe at CFC!

A player of his style and size would be a significant benefit for Cripps as a chop-out, someone who keeps opponents working hard when Cripps is not there. But I think we can even suggest that Kreuzer if not rucking or even Plowman might get a midfield role eventually, from the way he handles himself in traffic perhaps even Weitering could have a midfield run.

Still don't understand why Tuohy isn't getting more on-ball game time as an attacking midfielder rather than tagging.

Byrne looks OK in traffic as well, he might be an option eventually.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 10, 2016, 01:04:56 pm
A player of his style and sizer would be a significant benefit for Cripps as a chop-out, someone who keeps opponents working hard when Cripps is not there. But I think we can even suggest that Kreuzer if not rucking or even Plowman might get a midfield role eventually, from the way he handles himself in traffic perhaps even Weitering could have a midfield run.

Still don't understand why Tuohy isn't getting more on-ball game time as an attacking midfielder rather than tagging.


Byrne looks OK in traffic as well, he might be an option eventually.

Its tactical.

Everyone expects Tuohy to be up and about near the goals, so they have planned to shut him down, and now we have released Simpson, Byrne and Docherty to do it in turns.

Sooner or later he will have his turn again.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on May 10, 2016, 02:57:46 pm
I disagree. His disposal was still an issue til the very end. I don't miss the constant turnovers from him and knob head Robbo.

Bell is a better footballer than Robinson.
Mitch goes hard and knows how to find the ball but far too often he just roosts it blind, Bell's foot skills aren't a lot better but he at least thinks about what he's doing and his first instinct is always attack.
It's a bummer that we couldn't keep him, none of the others that left bother me too much.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 12, 2016, 06:25:20 pm
Carlton's extended squad for Round 8:

Backs   42. Zach Tuohy   17. Sam Rowe   6. Kade Simpson
Half-backs   39. Dale Thomas   20. Lachie Plowman   38. Ciaran Byrne
Centreline   15. Sam Docherty   46. Matthew Wright   19. Liam Sumner
Half-forwards   1. Andrew Walker   14. Liam Jones   4. Bryce Gibbs
Forwards   11. Sam Kerridge   41. Levi Casboult   27. Dennis Armfield
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   9. Patrick Cripps   3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange (from):   7. Dylan Buckley   35. Ed Curnow   33. Andrejs Everitt
    32. Nick Graham   13. Jed Lamb   43. Simon White
    40. Michael Jamison       
In: White, Buckley, Graham

Out: Nil
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Wet Willie on May 12, 2016, 07:08:44 pm
After such a solid effort last week, it's hard to find players to drop.

But Graham should be rewarded for his tackle count last weekend, and White will add grunt to the backline.

In: Graham & White
Out: Walker & Jamison
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 12, 2016, 07:45:02 pm
After such a solid effort last week, it's hard to find players to drop.

But Graham should be rewarded for his tackle count last weekend, and White will add grunt to the backline.

In: Graham & White
Out: Walker & Jamison

Walker's listed in the 18 so will play.

Be out of Jammo and White.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 12, 2016, 07:55:43 pm
I've heard a whisper Sumner might be an out with a corky.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on May 12, 2016, 08:06:02 pm
Walker's listed in the 18 so will play.

Be out of Jammo and White.

I've always been a fan of Walks but he's very lucky to be in the side after last week.
Curnow will play and Everitt couldn't possibly be dropped, which leaves Jamison and White to fight over one spot and Buckley, Lamb and Graham for the other one.
I'd go with White and Graham, I never imagined I'd ever be picking White ahead of Jamison but Jamo looks busted to me.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cimm1979 on May 12, 2016, 08:18:46 pm
Walker to play to give us multiple forward options and people capable of stopping run from the Port defence.

Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cimm1979 on May 12, 2016, 08:21:04 pm
Feeling pretty good about this game now.

Not sure all is right inside the Port camp. If we can keep the pressure on I think we'll win.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 12, 2016, 08:21:25 pm
I've heard a whisper Sumner might be an out with a corky.

Was it from the same whisperer last week who told you Cripps was out?
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 12, 2016, 08:26:49 pm
Carlton

B: Zach Tuohy, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson.
HB: Dale Thomas, Lachie Plowman, Ciaran Byrne.
C: Sam Docherty, Matthew Wright, Liam Sumner .
HF: Andrew Walker, Liam Jones, Bryce Gibbs.
F: Sam Kerridge, Levi Casboult, Dennis Armfield.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Dylan Buckley, Ed Curnow, Andrejs Everitt, Nick Graham, Jed Lamb, Simon White, Michael Jamison.

In: Dylan Buckley, Nick Graham, Simon White

I am a bit surprised that Buckley got recalled. Comments from last week did not suggest he had much of a game. Graham, on the other hand, probably couldn't do any more than he did.
The question as to whether to play White or Jamison must be interesting, considering Port's forward set up.
I would have liked another ruckman: only having one is a potential disaster point. However, we don't have any fit rucks other than Korchek to bring in. White he rucked as well as he can at this point in his development last week, that does not mean that he is ready for the seniors yet.
I wouldn't have played Everitt last week: he made me look like a dill until he decided to drop the 3 easiest chest marks I've ever seen dropped.
I wouldn't have played Walker last week and early in the peace I was again looking like a dill. But then Andrew didn't get a possession for the rest of the game and I looked somewhat better justified. Actually I am a little surprised that Andrew survived. I would like to see him earn some form in the VFL and kick a few goals and get 20+ possessions. Too much to ask? I can dream.

Port Adelaide

B: Jarman Impey, Tom Jonas, Jasper Pittard.
HB: Cam O'Shea, Jack Hombsch, Matthew Broadbent.
C: Jared Polec, Ollie Wines, Brad Ebert.
HF: Jake Neade, Charlie Dixon, Hamish Hartlett.
F: Aaron Young, Justin Westhoff, Chad Wingard.
Foll: Jackson Trengove, Travis Boak, Brendon Ah Chee.
Int: Paul Stewart, Karl Amon, Jimmy Toumpas, Dougal Howard, Darcy Byrne-Jones, Sam Gray, Nathan Krakouer.

In: Karl Amon, Dougal Howard, Sam Gray
 
Port have gone into this game small, but quick. They are hoping Trengove works like he did last week. It would not be the way to bet, but we look to that and underestimate him at our peril. He does have Dixon and Westhoff (and Stewart, if he plays) as back-up. In the past Wingard has got goals against us: he hasn't necessarily played all that well, but he has kicked more than his fair share of goals.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 12, 2016, 08:56:39 pm
Was it from the same whisperer last week who told you Cripps was out?

In fairness to the rumor mongers even our own forum posters reported Cripps trained indoors boxing away from the main group, so it was reasonable for the suspicions he'd miss. Ducks and Drakes I suppose.

This week it comes from a Carlton supporter who told me he saw Sumner walking the boundary at training. Apparently he got a corky last weekend, I didn't see but then if it's not on camera TV often won't report it.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 12, 2016, 09:05:13 pm
I would have liked another ruckman: only having one is a potential disaster point. However, we don't have any fit rucks other than Korchek to bring in.

In regards to the rucks we are always at our best with Kreuzer rucking most of the day and some relief from Casboult. Kreuzer and Casboult both play alot better. We've seen all this for years and saw it again last week. Two genuine rucks rarely works for us and certainly hurts Kreuzer's game.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 12, 2016, 09:14:36 pm
That works a LOT better when Kreuzer is taking a few marks. Last week he had what was, in many ways, his best game for the year and he still took only one mark. It wasn't even contested. The previous week he and Phillips worked together pretty well.
But you do have a point: many of our rucks like being in the game more and do well doing the majority of the work. Kreuzer has his best games that way. But it does leave very few options if things do NOT work.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cimm1979 on May 12, 2016, 09:24:36 pm
In regards to the rucks we are always at our best with Kreuzer rucking most of the day and some relief from Casboult. Kreuzer and Casboult both play alot better. We've seen all this for years and saw it again last week. Two genuine rucks rarely works for us and certainly hurts Kreuzer's game.

Sorry Jim,

Krooz and Phillips were far better than Krooz alone.

I'd expect the MC to go straight back to this model when Phillips gets over his hammy.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 12, 2016, 09:31:38 pm
Even if it were the case that Kreuzer needs to play all day we shouldn't not play other ruck men to suit him, it's a team sport and Kreuzer plays the role we tell him to. Phillips could leave and end up the next Sam Jacobs.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on May 12, 2016, 09:31:53 pm
Walker to play to give us multiple forward options and people capable of stopping run from the Port defence.

Give the bloke a break, was always going to be rusty first game back after a month!
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cimm1979 on May 12, 2016, 09:37:25 pm
Give the bloke a break, was always going to be rusty first game back after a month!

Thought I was.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 12, 2016, 09:42:08 pm
My two cents worth? I reckon we will win. Why? Just  because I have confidence in the coach, his staff and the players. Also, PA haven't been good this year.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 12, 2016, 09:45:59 pm
Etihad might be an advantage for us, but I still reckon Port, even though their form has been scratchy, will be too good.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on May 12, 2016, 10:04:45 pm
Etihad might be an advantage for us, but I still reckon Port, even though their form has been scratchy, will be too good.

If PA fire then they may have just a bit too much class for us but if we can keep the pressure on as we did v. the Pies then we're in with a show without doubt. We must play the game in our fwd half of the ground!
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 12, 2016, 10:05:55 pm
When was the last time we won at Etihad?
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on May 12, 2016, 10:10:10 pm
When was the last time we won at Etihad?

When it was Telstra Stadium?  :)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Jb on May 12, 2016, 10:11:40 pm
Strong rumour jamo has retired but won't announce till after 150 games with weitering to return.. body is shot.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 12, 2016, 10:21:11 pm
When was the last time we won at Etihad?
R13 2015 against GC
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Juddkreuzer on May 13, 2016, 12:11:16 am
Strong rumour jamo has retired but won't announce till after 150 games with weitering to return.. body is shot.

Source?
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: pinot on May 13, 2016, 12:20:06 am
sounds legit not sure if true but wouldn't suprise
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 13, 2016, 07:00:17 am
Strong rumour jamo has retired but won't announce till after 150 games with weitering to return.. body is shot.
Such are the rigours of AFL football when we are talking about a 29 yo person whos body is shot. Thats so young.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on May 13, 2016, 07:50:04 am
It looks like we were trying to get him to 150. Good luck Jamo and hope you go out with a bang.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 13, 2016, 08:34:43 am
Strong rumour jamo has retired but won't announce till after 150 games with weitering to return.. body is shot.
Unfortunately I can believe this rumour. Jamo has struggled physically all of this season, for years, in fact. I hope he can show something of his best while he can.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Pratty on May 13, 2016, 10:04:00 am
Yep, really enjoyed having Jamison at the Blues. he's been a beauty and it was only the injuries that curtailed his career. I think it would be a wise move by him and the club to tell you the truth.

Hopefully,. leaves room for JGM to step up and maybe swing a senior spot in the 2nd half of the year.

Just on key backs - I wouldn't be against Gorringe going back at VFL level. Got some mongrel, size, strength and athletic qualities that might be ok. he's battling up forward and in the ruck by the sounds of things. Might just add another string to his bow if nothing else.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 13, 2016, 10:53:47 am
Unfortunately I can believe this rumour. Jamo has struggled physically all of this season, for years, in fact. I hope he can show something of his best while he can.

I heard the same rumour from an unreliable  source so I didn't  believe it. Makes no sense for him to retire while Weitering is still out.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on May 13, 2016, 11:03:14 am
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I heard the same rumour from an unreliable  source so I didn't  believe it. Makes no sense for him to retire while Weitering is still out.

Yeah, but you can only do what your body is capable of doing. You can't live on pain killers. ???
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 13, 2016, 11:14:27 am
Strong rumour jamo has retired but won't announce till after 150 games with weitering to return.. body is shot.

I heard that one too.

Came from facebook.  A Carlton group.  My wife was the one that actually spotted it.

I believe it.  His stats point to no almost no contested work whatsoever, and if you cant contest, you cannot play afl footy.

I think the final straw for him would have been being knocked out at VFL level.  When you cannot complete a game without incident at VFL level, you know the bell tolls.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 13, 2016, 01:25:28 pm
I think the final straw for him would have been being knocked out at VFL level.  When you cannot complete a game without incident at VFL level, you know the bell tolls.

Thry, that is quite possibly the most ridiculous cause and effect I have ever read! :o
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 13, 2016, 05:15:44 pm
Final Team named: No Change.
Emergencies   32. Nick Graham    43. Simon White    7. Dylan Buckley
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 13, 2016, 05:48:23 pm
Reckon we'll learn a bit from this game. In fact this might be our most important game so far in many respects.

Absolutely thrilled with our past 3 wins and more importantly the endeavour and cohesion that has been displayed.

However, on Sunday we meet a good side in good form rather than probably the 3 worst sides over the past 3 weeks. Port aren't very good or great, but they're a good side and way better than what we've played against recently.

At the risk of seeming to be a negative Nelly, I hope we haven't gotten ahead of ourselves - we'll soon find out! There are so many congratulations pouring into the club (deservedly so) that it will test our discipline and focus. (And dare I add how we perform in milestone games!!!)

Go Blues. Brilliant effort Simmo. Well done Jammo.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: LanceRomance on May 13, 2016, 06:02:27 pm
Reckon we'll learn a bit from this game. In fact this might be our most important game so far in many respects.

Absolutely thrilled with our past 3 wins and more importantly the endeavour and cohesion that has been displayed.

Go Blues. Brilliant effort Simmo. Well done Jammo.

Are you saying this is our grandfinal?
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 13, 2016, 06:27:05 pm
Are you saying this is our grandfinal?

Hahahaha, good to see you haven't lost your sense of humour! And good to see you back.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: bratblue on May 13, 2016, 06:30:55 pm
Hahahaha, good to see you haven't lost your sense of humour! And good to see you back.

Nice way to get out of answering the question.. :)
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: pinot on May 13, 2016, 06:56:28 pm
team needs some youthful exhuberance to get better
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: laj on May 13, 2016, 08:14:05 pm
If we win we could be out of the 8 only on percentage. Who's have thought. Pity we didn't win round 1.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 13, 2016, 08:19:14 pm
Simmo's 250th, Jamo's 150th, new found belief,  we will not lose.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 13, 2016, 08:21:43 pm
Simmo's 250th, Jamo's 150th, new found belief,  we will not lose.

Kiss of death
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 13, 2016, 09:29:36 pm
Kiss of death
Nope, they'll be more nervous than us I reckon.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: DJC on May 13, 2016, 10:57:31 pm
I heard the same rumour from an unreliable  source so I didn't  believe it. Makes no sense for him to retire while Weitering is still out.

Yes, it sounds like bullcrape to me.  There's no sentiment in footy and Jamison wouldn't be gifted a game to get him to 150.  If he plays on Sunday it will be because he is in our best 22.

I have been critical of Jamison this season but I think he still has a lot to offer.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on May 14, 2016, 08:19:19 am
we beat them in 2015 as a rabble, we can beat them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: sandsmere on May 14, 2016, 10:05:25 am
AFL website says Buckley, Graham and White are the emergencies.

Jamo gets to play his 150th this week.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on May 14, 2016, 02:02:10 pm
Jamo gets to play his 150th this week.

Good luck to him, he's been a stalwart of the club and but for injury would have played 200.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on May 14, 2016, 02:49:48 pm
Good luck to him, he's been a stalwart of the club and but for injury would have played 200.


Agree.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 15, 2016, 09:14:58 am
Game day kiddies, I'm excited. Can the fellas get the season back to what would be an extremely respectable and unexpected 4-4? Hope Simmo and Jamo have good ones and we chair them off with a good win.
Go Blues.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 15, 2016, 10:02:58 am
AFL website says Buckley, Graham and White are the emergencies.

Jamo gets to play his 150th this week.

Buckley played for the NBs yesterday... one of the few who actually turned up! Seemed to have groin soreness late in the game and had to leave the field.
Title: Re: Rd 8: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Post by: age on May 15, 2016, 10:58:43 am
White and Graham did not play yesterday.

Maybe a late out.