http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-05/bell-ready-for-ringadingdinger
“I want to make sure I’ve done all the team things because I want to be team orientated,” Bell said prior to a weights session at Visy Park this week.
“I want to feel as if I’ve got nothing left to give.”
He's a ripping young kid. Hope he makes it.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-05/bell-ready-for-ringadingdinger
“I want to make sure I’ve done all the team things because I want to be team orientated,” Bell said prior to a weights session at Visy Park this week.
“I want to feel as if I’ve got nothing left to give.”
If he can work out when to tackle and when to bump he will go a long way towards making it......96kg at 187cm is going to hurt when it hits or tackles you...and I like that. ;)
We all like his grunt, he just needs some polish & a degree of level-headedness to advance his career.
We all like his grunt, he just needs some polish & a degree of level-headedness to advance his career.
I looked at Ollie Wines tonight and I saw a similar strong aggressive midfielder but one who has composure and maturity....thats what you pay for with a top ten pick and what a rookie pick like Bell needs to learn and will probably take years to develop...
We all like his grunt, he just needs some polish & a degree of level-headedness to advance his career.
I looked at Ollie Wines tonight and I saw a similar strong aggressive midfielder but one who has composure and maturity....thats what you pay for with a top ten pick and what a rookie pick like Bell needs to learn and will probably take years to develop...
Ollies composure is extraordinary. Tommy needs positive support and he'll lift.
If he can work out when to tackle and when to bump he will go a long way towards making it......96kg at 187cm is going to hurt when it hits or tackles you...and I like that. ;)
Bell's decision to bump Crameri rather than tackle was an interesting one. Most players in that situation would have tackled but Bell's bump gave us clean possession and Crameri lost interest in the game for quite a while.
Bell executes his bumps very well and I guess that is partly because he is not that tall (although I reject the 'tall' excuse for Buddy; he just has poor technique and likes to use an elbow). I would like to see Bell given licence to bump as he sees fit. However, as you say EB, he needs to know when a tackle is the best option.
Some good and bad from Tommy today.... another bump that should have been a tackle, lack of awareness had him pinged for holding the ball but amongst all that he contested well...got under the skin of Jackson and having his big body in the contests helped us win the footy at times.
Great that he can learn of the master Chris Judd who even on one leg was a leader and catalyst for our comeback win..
More learning ahead for Tom Bell next week...
Someone needs to get in TB's ear and try and get him to play on instinct. He's talent potential is huge but he needs to learn that there are no easy possessions in AFL footy. Gibbs used to make similar mistakes when he started.
Give Tom a year or two and he WILL turn it on. There are a lot of positives about his game.
He Realised it was a final didn't he? So many times, gave up on first option, to take on the player and got caught. 2 shots in the last, barely scored...
Think he is a long way off..potential..but a long way off.
Bell. "STOP laying a bump and land TACKLES". Do not trade this guy. He has potential beyong belief, in fact find another soon and use them both. just fine tune their tactics.
He Realised it was a final didn't he? So many times, gave up on first option, to take on the player and got caught. 2 shots in the last, barely scored...
Think he is a long way off..potential..but a long way off.
Was my worst in navy blue today. Daylight second.
The kid has the size and attitude right. Needs to wrap his head around the subtleties of the game and learn how to kick though.
He Realised it was a final didn't he? So many times, gave up on first option, to take on the player and got caught. 2 shots in the last, barely scored...
Think he is a long way off..potential..but a long way off.
Was my worst in navy blue today. Daylight second.
The kid has the size and attitude right. Needs to wrap his head around the subtleties of the game and learn how to kick though.
Can't agree. He made some mistakes and the bump vs tackle was hard to watch, but he gives us enormous presence around the ball. Love him in there.
Was my worst in navy blue today.
McInnes was worst and Walker had a shocking first half while Menzel did nothing after being subbed on. TB made some momentous clangers but also was a strong presence at times able to win contested footy.
Bells kicking wasn't great at all but he found the ball when others couldn't and moved fast for a big kid in the second half. Needs work but is what we need.
He Realised it was a final didn't he? So many times, gave up on first option, to take on the player and got caught. 2 shots in the last, barely scored...
Think he is a long way off..potential..but a long way off.
He is still a way off but we are very small without him in the midfield and he needs to play every week and get taught the smarts of the game.....
I thought Bruce Mac on Ch7 appreciated his game and the potential he has......
He Realised it was a final didn't he? So many times, gave up on first option, to take on the player and got caught. 2 shots in the last, barely scored...
Think he is a long way off..potential..but a long way off.
Was my worst in navy blue today. Daylight second.
The kid has the size and attitude right. Needs to wrap his head around the subtleties of the game and learn how to kick though.
Tad harsh. I had McInnes taking those honours and Zac had a nothing day.
Bell - 17 touches, 6 clangers, DE 52.9%
Yes, his presence is good and i acknowledge as much, but if he is only a 50-50 chance of finding a teammate when he has the ball, what is the point?
If we remove him from the game today....every time he actually got the ball, we say it was a 50-50 contest instead...what have we lost?
What we have lost is another player who is more capable of finding a teammate when they get it.
re Menzel...didn't get much of a chance to get into the game
re Walker...6 R50's, 3 1%ers, 14 touches @ 78.6%. Not a great game, but better than bell.
re McInness...at least he found a teammate 4 / 5 times he got the ball. =2nd in 1%ers (with 6) showed he was putting in in the backline too.
re Tuohy...13 touches @ 69%. Did what was required without dominating.
Sorry, but next week swap Bell and McLean and lets go to Sydney.
@Krudds
The point is though MM stuck with him because he clearly believes he needed to face a full game of intensity for his development. No doubt he will be made to watch the game during the week and cop the scrutiny he deserves. But a game like that might see him turn the corner even if Brock forces him out against the Swans.
Bell - 17 touches, 6 clangers, DE 52.9%
Yes, his presence is good and i acknowledge as much, but if he is only a 50-50 chance of finding a teammate when he has the ball, what is the point?
If we remove him from the game today....every time he actually got the ball, we say it was a 50-50 contest instead...what have we lost?
What we have lost is another player who is more capable of finding a teammate when they get it.
re Menzel...didn't get much of a chance to get into the game
re Walker...6 R50's, 3 1%ers, 14 touches @ 78.6%. Not a great game, but better than bell.
re McInness...at least he found a teammate 4 / 5 times he got the ball. =2nd in 1%ers (with 6) showed he was putting in in the backline too.
re Tuohy...13 touches @ 69%. Did what was required without dominating.
Sorry, but next week swap Bell and McLean and lets go to Sydney.
Not for me...Bell is the future, we are not going to win the flag this year and I want finals games into Bell....ditto for McInnes who couldnt get near it, ditto for Menzel and even Yarran who didnt do a lot either
Mclean has a quad doesnt he?...dont see him playing anyway
Touhy was flogged by Edwards and only saved by poor kicking IMO.....thought he was only average overall but again is the future and needs game time against the best players....
He Realised it was a final didn't he? So many times, gave up on first option, to take on the player and got caught. 2 shots in the last, barely scored...
Think he is a long way off..potential..but a long way off.
Was my worst in navy blue today. Daylight second.
The kid has the size and attitude right. Needs to wrap his head around the subtleties of the game and learn how to kick though.
From where I was sitting Bell was a lot higher on the pecking order. His physicality was very important, he won his own ball and he created opportunities for team mates with his attack on the ball and his willingness to take the game on.
Yes, Bell made a few errors (who didn't) and was on the wrong end of some umpiring decisions but he was one of the prime movers in our resurgence.
I must admit thinking at half time that we can only afford one of Robbo and Bell in the side (and in the last quarter Robbo was definitely the one to go), but both more than proved their worth.
If I had to nominate players who didn't perform as well as Bell, I would say Tuohy (absolute shocker), McInnes (couldn't get into the game), Menzel (not much opportunity), Yarran (OK in flashes), Kreuzer (got a few hitouts but did little else), Warnock (won the hitouts and kicked a nice goal but did bugger all around the ground), Garlett (flashed in and out), Armfield (serviceable) . . .
That got me thinking today. Richmond had a sub early. Robinson looked like he stuffed his hammy early and Kreuzer did his ankle. Mick didn't activate his sub. He patched the players up and off they went back on the field looking stiff and not 100%. Not needing to use the sub until the last quarter probably went along way towards us getting over the line.
Bell - 17 touches, 6 clangers, DE 52.9%
Yes, his presence is good and i acknowledge as much, but if he is only a 50-50 chance of finding a teammate when he has the ball, what is the point?
If we remove him from the game today....every time he actually got the ball, we say it was a 50-50 contest instead...what have we lost?
What we have lost is another player who is more capable of finding a teammate when they get it.
re Menzel...didn't get much of a chance to get into the game
re Walker...6 R50's, 3 1%ers, 14 touches @ 78.6%. Not a great game, but better than bell.
re McInness...at least he found a teammate 4 / 5 times he got the ball. =2nd in 1%ers (with 6) showed he was putting in in the backline too.
re Tuohy...13 touches @ 69%. Did what was required without dominating.
Sorry, but next week swap Bell and McLean and lets go to Sydney.
Its not about Bell winning the ball every time either its about Bell blocking or getting his body in the way and preventing an opposing player getting the footy.....Bell and Robbo did the dirty work today and deserve full credit regardless of clangars etc.....you ask Daniel Jackson, Trent Cotchin if they like having Bells big frame coming their way or in Jacksons case looking over your shoulder which he did a couple of times.
Against Sydney both Murphy and Gibbs will be tagged heavily and will need some big bodies in the scrum to help them out......
Bell sort of redeemed himself later in the game but I thought he was very ordinary earlier on. He's slow of mind in particular IMO - just not yet in tune with the pace of the game at this level, and that caused a couple of very embarrassing incidents. Did look better though as time went on - we probably need to get more senior footy into him and the finals will help him enormously.
Bell - 17 touches, 6 clangers, DE 52.9%
Yes, his presence is good and i acknowledge as much, but if he is only a 50-50 chance of finding a teammate when he has the ball, what is the point?
If we remove him from the game today....every time he actually got the ball, we say it was a 50-50 contest instead...what have we lost?
What we have lost is another player who is more capable of finding a teammate when they get it.
re Menzel...didn't get much of a chance to get into the game
re Walker...6 R50's, 3 1%ers, 14 touches @ 78.6%. Not a great game, but better than bell.
re McInness...at least he found a teammate 4 / 5 times he got the ball. =2nd in 1%ers (with 6) showed he was putting in in the backline too.
re Tuohy...13 touches @ 69%. Did what was required without dominating.
Sorry, but next week swap Bell and McLean and lets go to Sydney.
Its not about Bell winning the ball every tim either its about Bell blocking or getting his body in the way and preventing an opposing player getting the footy.....Bell and Robbo did the dirty work today and deserve full credit regardless of clangars etc.....you ask Daniel Jackson, Trent Cotchin if they like having Bells big frame coming their way or in Jacksons case looking over your shoulder which he did a couple of times.
Against Sydney both Murphy and Gibbs will be tagged heavily and will need some big bodies in the scrum to help them out......
This is where a "like" function would be good.
Ranked 10th in Dream Team points today for Carlton, for what it's worth.
Bells kicking wasn't great at all but he found the ball when others couldn't and moved fast for a big kid in the second half. Needs work but is what we need.
It's why, for all the frustration at times, players like Bell and Robbo are so important in tough finals.
We learnt how important Waite and Betts are too and why I'd be happy to pay the latter good $$$$
Bells kicking wasn't great at all but he found the ball when others couldn't and moved fast for a big kid in the second half. Needs work but is what we need.
It's why, for all the frustration at times, players like Bell and Robbo are so important in tough finals.
We learnt how important Waite and Betts are too and why I'd be happy to pay the latter good $$$$
And that's another "like"!
Bells kicking wasn't great at all but he found the ball when others couldn't and moved fast for a big kid in the second half. Needs work but is what we need.
It's why, for all the frustration at times, players like Bell and Robbo are so important in tough finals.
We learnt how important Waite and Betts are too and why I'd be happy to pay the latter good $$$$
Dead right Jim. Eddie's easily the most important of the amigos IMO. I'm knocked out too that Waite is back in the room - I'd pretty much given up on him but its great to see him firing - I'd almost forgotten how good he can be.
I'm knocked out too that Waite is back in the room - I'd pretty much given up on him but its great to see him firing - I'd almost forgotten how good he can be.
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The evaluation comments on this site say it all. Obviously Bell lacks to sophistication, but he bruises.
MickM is weighting up contribution of each and what is required to win.
Will the under-skilled Bell be in the team next week?
Whatever you think MickM!
You will get no criticism from me
- unless we lose
Pffft. Bell>>>Yarran>>>Walker>>>Kreuzer>>>McInnes on yesterday's game. At the ground I had Bell as one of our best other than getting caught with the ball.
Bell just like Robbo is required until we get someone his size who is better. 6 wins and 2 close losses with him in the side this year.
Please I'm a Tom Bell Fan, but his awareness and Pace is a huge worry. He needs to watch someone like Brock McLean who is slow by speed but quick in the mind.
Can't waltz through players in a final, he'll get no second chances against the swans.
Bell just like Robbo is required until we get someone his size who is better. 6 wins and 2 close losses with him in the side this year.
interesting stat.
Bell will learn, how many games now for the lad?
Only 15 or 16 games all up?
I believe he has a much greater prescence then Robbo. Although he isn't overly footy smart, he is physically intimidating. He always goes in for a bump and is willing to take it up to anyone who tries to physically bully us. Robbo is more like a crazy kamakazi type.
If MM can fix their footy smarts, damn they'll be good. However i see more potential in Bell than Robbo.
Please I'm a Tom Bell Fan, but his awareness and Pace is a huge worry. He needs to watch someone like Brock McLean who is slow by speed but quick in the mind.
Can't waltz through players in a final, he'll get no second chances against the swans.
I don't mind players backing themselves, with improved awareness I think he'll learn when he can "waltz" through and when he can't.
Bell just like Robbo is required until we get someone his size who is better. 6 wins and 2 close losses with him in the side this year.
interesting stat.
Bell will learn, how many games now for the lad?
Only 15 or 16 games all up?
Reckon he will be twice the player once he gets around 50 games under his belt.
Keep playing him. Go the Bell End! >:D
Why has it taken MM so long to play Bell ?
Needs to play more often than not. I'm all for the occasional spell but he's one who has a tonne of improvement in him.
He's a keeper and thou he's slow of mind at present, his body work in tough games is crucial to our chances.
Why has it taken MM so long to play Bell ?
Needs to play more often than not. I'm all for the occasional spell but he's one who has a tonne of improvement in him.
He's a keeper and thou he's slow of mind at present, his body work in tough games is crucial to our chances.
Can't remember if he played Seniors early in the year but I seem to recall he broke his jaw in a VFL game mid-season... set him back a bit. I think we need to persevere with him. Just a lad and loves the tough stuff. Makings of a good tough footballer. Not everyone has to be another Kouta or Judd (gee wouldn't that be something).
Please I'm a Tom Bell Fan, but his awareness and Pace is a huge worry. He needs to watch someone like Brock McLean who is slow by speed but quick in the mind.
Can't waltz through players in a final, he'll get no second chances against the swans.
We won the game so people look at the good he did.
He we had've lost, people would remember the fact that he got chased down due to a lack of awareness.
He we had've lost, people would remember the fact that he had a set shot on goal from a tightish angle and despite his lack of kicking skills, decided to have a ping rather than center it, and sprayed it out on the full.
How many of these moments can we put up with?
Sometimes just one of these moments is enough to turn a game, and cost you a game.
Ask Riewoldt what his lack of awareness in the GF did for the belief of the 2 sides.
Ask Shaw the same question.
Earlier in the year i doubted the effectiveness of having Robinson in the side. Never questioned his dedication and role within the side, just the overall (dis)advantage of having him in it when he makes some silly errors.
I received the same kind of response there as i got here. "How could we do without his hardness..." blah blah. Mick eventually agreed and dropped him.
Same thing goes for Bell.
Bell is far from guaranteed a spot in the best 22 AT PRESENT with what is is offering us. He is not useless, nor beyond becoming a star. However, currently, his benefit to the side is questionable.
If, and it's a big if, Brock is fit this week he'll take Bells spot.
I received the same kind of response there as i got here. "How could we do without his hardness..." blah blah. Mick eventually agreed and dropped him.
and we got pumped by the bulldogs lol.
Bell is far from guaranteed a spot in the best 22 AT PRESENT with what is is offering us. He is not useless, nor beyond becoming a star. However, currently, his benefit to the side is questionable.
I guess the question remains. Is it of greater benefit for MM to back him in and risk more F/ups to help fast track his development in the pressure cooker of finals? Or does he just drop him and say keep working at it son, you aint there yet?
Bell is far from guaranteed a spot in the best 22 AT PRESENT with what is is offering us. He is not useless, nor beyond becoming a star. However, currently, his benefit to the side is questionable.
I guess the question remains. Is it of greater benefit for MM to back him in and risk more F/ups to help fast track his development in the pressure cooker of finals? Or does he just drop him and say keep working at it son, you aint there yet?
That is something that mick needs to work out. If it was me, and Brock was fit, Bell wouldn't be playing this week.
I doubt Bell will play all 22 games next year though. I think there will be a bit of "go back and work on these things for a few weeks" in there somewhere.
Vossy nominated him as this weeks Finals Unsung Hero. Makes some points that have already been said here.
From AFL.com.au
Carlton v Richmond
Tom Bell
An in-and-out player at Carlton this year, Bell was a consistent contributor all day in just his 15th senior game and first final.
Originally from my junior club at Morningside in Brisbane, he was just about the Blues' best player at half-time, when they were 26 points down and should have been dead and buried.
A mountain of a young man making full use of his huge motor to get up and down the ground, he was running when most of his Carlton teammates weren't running in the first half. For a player who didn't know he was even playing until final selection on Saturday his was a really telling effort, helping to lay a platform on which a lot of more senior teammates cashed in after half-time.
Sure, he let himself down when he had a couple of chances to finish off his work, and a big turnover just before half-time which set up a Trent Cotchin goal could have been critical. But without him across the half-forward line and in the middle Carlton would have been in trouble. And when he starts to use the footy a little better he's going to be a player. A similar role awaits this week, when at least he should be confident of getting a game.
Bell is far from guaranteed a spot in the best 22 AT PRESENT with what is is offering us. He is not useless, nor beyond becoming a star. However, currently, his benefit to the side is questionable.
I guess the question remains. Is it of greater benefit for MM to back him in and risk more F/ups to help fast track his development in the pressure cooker of finals? Or does he just drop him and say keep working at it son, you aint there yet?
That is something that mick needs to work out. If it was me, and Brock was fit, Bell wouldn't be playing this week.
I doubt Bell will play all 22 games next year though. I think there will be a bit of "go back and work on these things for a few weeks" in there somewhere.
There is nothing wrong with that if it teaches him that he has to fine tune his skills and earn a place in the starting 22. He won't be the only one either.
Vossy nominated him as this weeks Finals Unsung Hero. Makes some points that have already been said here.
From AFL.com.au
Carlton v Richmond
Tom Bell
An in-and-out player at Carlton this year, Bell was a consistent contributor all day in just his 15th senior game and first final.
Originally from my junior club at Morningside in Brisbane, he was just about the Blues' best player at half-time, when they were 26 points down and should have been dead and buried.
A mountain of a young man making full use of his huge motor to get up and down the ground, he was running when most of his Carlton teammates weren't running in the first half. For a player who didn't know he was even playing until final selection on Saturday his was a really telling effort, helping to lay a platform on which a lot of more senior teammates cashed in after half-time.
Sure, he let himself down when he had a couple of chances to finish off his work, and a big turnover just before half-time which set up a Trent Cotchin goal could have been critical. But without him across the half-forward line and in the middle Carlton would have been in trouble.And when he starts to use the footy a little better he's going to be a player. A similar role awaits this week, when at least he should be confident of getting a game.
I've re-highlighted what i think are the important parts.
Vossy is sticking up for a 'mate'
He let himself down a couple of times and cost us a goal which could have been critical. When he starts to use the footy better he will be a player.
I've said the same things. I've even said that because we won, we glossed over those points in which we could be critical of him.
Vossy just backed up what i said, but turned it into a positive simply because we won, and it didn't cost us the game.
Bell hasn't had much exposure at AFL level to be honest. We can be very critical of his mistakes, but we could also say the same about Walker in the back 50m who shanks some kicks like it is his first season. Bell is able to use his size and speed at VFL level, but needs to learn that AFL level is much faster. As for his kicking accuracy, that does Micks head in with all our players. He thinks it might be above the shoulders. I myself hate watching him and others bump rather than stick a tackle.
Bell looks like he could be a well above average player. If he continues to get the ball often, at worse he would attract attention as a trade. Tell me teams wouldn't want what he has at their club with some developing in him. Give him a couple of seasons and he could be something.
Vossy nominated him as this weeks Finals Unsung Hero. Makes some points that have already been said here.
From AFL.com.au
Carlton v Richmond
Tom Bell
An in-and-out player at Carlton this year, Bell was a consistent contributor all day in just his 15th senior game and first final.
Originally from my junior club at Morningside in Brisbane, he was just about the Blues' best player at half-time, when they were 26 points down and should have been dead and buried.
A mountain of a young man making full use of his huge motor to get up and down the ground, he was running when most of his Carlton teammates weren't running in the first half. For a player who didn't know he was even playing until final selection on Saturday his was a really telling effort, helping to lay a platform on which a lot of more senior teammates cashed in after half-time.
Sure, he let himself down when he had a couple of chances to finish off his work, and a big turnover just before half-time which set up a Trent Cotchin goal could have been critical. But without him across the half-forward line and in the middle Carlton would have been in trouble.And when he starts to use the footy a little better he's going to be a player. A similar role awaits this week, when at least he should be confident of getting a game.
I've re-highlighted what i think are the important parts.
Vossy is sticking up for a 'mate'
He let himself down a couple of times and cost us a goal which could have been critical. When he starts to use the footy better he will be a player.
I've said the same things. I've even said that because we won, we glossed over those points in which we could be critical of him.
Vossy just backed up what i said, but turned it into a positive simply because we won, and it didn't cost us the game.
Or sticking up for his old club, I mean calling Bell the unsung hero is a bit of a stretch.
Maybe but what coaches look for have always been different to what many of us and media look at.
He's definitely not gifted with skill but if Mick can do a bit of development with him I reckon he will be valuable in years to come. If we are still guessing in 12 mths then I'd definitely re evaluate.
Bell is going to be a superstar when he get's it together....and a set of f/ing glasses for his peripheral vision f/ups.... ;)
Taking Voss's words like they are the law.
This is the same bloke who traded Lachie Henderson and Pick 12 for Brendan Fevola at the end of his career.
Taking Voss's words like they are the law.
This is the same bloke who traded Lachie Henderson and Pick 12 for Brendan Fevola at the end of his career.
I suspect Vossy did the Fev deal based on watching his highlight reel. ;D
Watch the game again bell creates space and they are aware he is there like not one other than kruze at the least we need him to stop Kennedy etc from monstering Murphy and judd
Maybe but what coaches look for have always been different to what many of us and media look at.
He's definitely not gifted with skill but if Mick can do a bit of development with him I reckon he will be valuable in years to come. If we are still guessing in 12 mths then I'd definitely re evaluate.
I think someone once said the same of Kouta in his very early days?
And Diesel was too slow! ;)
Dinger has played 15 games of senior footy. He, along with Menzel, Curnow, 2E... will benefit greatly from this finals experience (thank you, Bumbers).
Dinger is a diamond in the rough, very rough at times. But his attitude and attack on the man and aggot is first class.
What impressed me more than anything on Sunday is that he was NOT overawed on the big stage in September... he can deliver under big game pressure. With strong education, this bloke will deliver. Plus he can play up forward, take a grab and kick a goal.
Dinger has played 15 games of senior footy. He, along with Menzel, Curnow, 2E... will benefit greatly from this finals experience (thank you, Bumbers).
Dinger is a diamond in the rough, very rough at times. But his attitude and attack on the man and aggot is first class.
What impressed me more than anything on Sunday is that he was NOT overawed on the big stage in September... he can deliver under big game pressure. With strong education, this bloke will deliver. Plus he can play up forward, take a grab and kick a goal.
Good call Baggers...you compare Bells attack on the footy and willingness to contest and compare that to say someone like Yarran who was a passenger IMO.
You need players like Bell driving the train and shovelling the coal while players like Yarran are in the sleeper carriage deciding when they will wake up....
Dinger has played 15 games of senior footy. He, along with Menzel, Curnow, 2E... will benefit greatly from this finals experience (thank you, Bumbers).
Dinger is a diamond in the rough, very rough at times. But his attitude and attack on the man and aggot is first class.
What impressed me more than anything on Sunday is that he was NOT overawed on the big stage in September... he can deliver under big game pressure. With strong education, this bloke will deliver. Plus he can play up forward, take a grab and kick a goal.
Good call Baggers...you compare Bells attack on the footy and willingness to contest and compare that to say someone like Yarran who was a passenger IMO.
You need players like Bell driving the train and shovelling the coal while players like Yarran are in the sleeper carriage deciding when they will wake up....
Plus 1....getting a couple of these finals into blokes like Bell is worth more than any number of pre-season "practice" matches. Win or lose this week, they'll have been on a massive learning curve which could otherwise take a season or two.
I watched the game live and now have seen the replay. Bell IMO will be a very good player for us. He got better as the game went on on Sat - he's just inexperienced and needs to be played regularly. He's just what we've been screaming out for - a big bodied, tough mid who is very hard at the ball and at any opposition player that gets in his way. His skills and alertness will get better as he gains experience. 8)
I just saw that Bell got named on the wing in Qld's 2013 team of the year !!
That's a nice little achievement for him !!
I just saw that Bell got named on the wing in Qld's 2013 team of the year !!
That's a nice little achievement for him !!
I like Bell, and I think he has not had as good a season as last year when he played, so I think that this probably says more about Qld's team of the year than it does anything else.
I love Bell and what he brings to the team however you cannot teach awareness and he is the worst in our team in that regard. Maybe start getting out and out tagging roles until he improves in that area. until then he is a liability
I love Bell and what he brings to the team however you cannot teach awareness and he is the worst in our team in that regard. Maybe start getting out and out tagging roles until he improves in that area. until then he is a liability
Yep that's his downside alright - gets caught red hot regularly - at least twice that I saw v. the Tigers. I guess more game time is what will improve him there - will learn that he has to make quicker use of the ball.
I reckon its not a lack of awareness.
He seems to want to try and break the tackle rather than avoid contact, and he plays with a lack of urgency.
I reckon its not a lack of awareness.
He seems to want to try and break the tackle rather than avoid contact, and he plays with a lack of urgency.
Spot on re, all deficiencies that can and will be overcome with experience. I called it earlier in the year that he just needs to play more senior football. He certainly plays with a shightload of confidence, we don't want him to lose that.
I reckon its not a lack of awareness.
He seems to want to try and break the tackle rather than avoid contact, and he plays with a lack of urgency.
Spot on re, all deficiencies that can and will be overcome with experience. I called it earlier in the year that he just needs to play more senior football. He certainly plays with a shightload of confidence, we don't want him to lose that.
I reckon it's a lack of awareness, tries to break tackles but also he his one paced and one directional.
His good points are that he's still running at the same pace at the end of the game.
Hope he can pick it up a bit. Might be the sub this week.
I reckon its not a lack of awareness.
He seems to want to try and break the tackle rather than avoid contact, and he plays with a lack of urgency.
Spot on re, all deficiencies that can and will be overcome with experience. I called it earlier in the year that he just needs to play more senior football. He certainly plays with a shightload of confidence, we don't want him to lose that.
I reckon it's a lack of awareness, tries to break tackles but also he his one paced and one directional.
His good points are that he's still running at the same pace at the end of the game.
Hope he can pick it up a bit. Might be the sub this week.
For every dud thing the kid does he does 4 good things....
What? 16 games?
I betcha blokes like Sticks, Ratts, Braddles and the like were goofing it up a lot after only that many games?
What's that old saying - you learn by your mistakes (unless you're a total nuff-nuff)!
We need the lads grunt and presence against the Swannies.
For mine, Menzel stays as sub.
Awareness is not something you can necessarily teach and it is the thing that will hold him back. You either got it or you don't
Kouta had zero awareness and was a spud in his first couple of seasons and had no nous at all...just athletic ability....took him a while to learn the smarts of the game.
Bells problem is he is used to playing on kids and VFL players...he can break those tackles because he is a unit and too strong for most of the kids he played on.
If you look at him he doesnt try and get rid of the ball early he continues to try and use his size to barge through players/break tackles.....AFL senior players are taaght to tackle and are as strong as he is and he needs to be told to get rid of the ball earlier and dont keep taking the tackler on...
Bell just has to learn what his limits are and learn to play within them and he will be a gem!!
Bell just has to learn what his limits are and learn to play within them and he will be a gem!!
At the moment he has no limits, he is just a beginner!
Kouta played 50 games in the reserves before breaking into the seniors.
Kouta played 50 games in the reserves before breaking into the seniors.
Wow I never knew it was that many.
Kouta played 50 games in the reserves before breaking into the seniors.
Wow I never knew it was that many.
From Wikipedia
Koutoufides was recruited from Lalor by Carlton in 1990, and played fifty games in the reserves, where he won the 1991 best and fairest. Beginning his AFL career in 1992, he quickly established himself as one of the most versatile and athletic players ever to play the game
Good homework there JK. ;)
I understand he is young and learning but as a retired soccer center midfielder, if you don't have peripheral vision you are a liability. When he got caught in the center square which resulted in a goal just before half time clearly shows he could not see his opposition coming from the corner of his eye. Cannot teach that type of awareness. Too bad because if he did he could be anything
I disagree mate, watch the replay. He looks directly at the Richmond player and sees him coming but totally disregards him as a threat and even once tackled pays him little respect and tries to brush him off. He just thinks he can walk through tackles must have enormous strength. Hate to quote Danny Frawley but he'll learn from that. Another player that had not too much awareness but used to find the pill for fun was Andrew Carrazzo. He developed into a fantastic footballer.
I understand he is young and learning but as a retired soccer center midfielder, if you don't have peripheral vision you are a liability. When he got caught in the center square which resulted in a goal just before half time clearly shows he could not see his opposition coming from the corner of his eye. Cannot teach that type of awareness. Too bad because if he did he could be anything
He just needs to know that when he gets the ball he has to assess his options very quickly and execute straight away. On the occasions when I've seen him get caught he gave the impression that he just did not understand that. I don't know what his peripheral vision is like but if he can speed up his decision making and execution then he would be a much better player - I would have thought he could be coached to do that.
....AFL senior players are taaght to tackle and are as strong as he is and he needs to be told to get rid of the ball earlier and dont keep taking the tackler on...
If not that then get the ball up high so it's not pinned when he's tackled. With his strength, he can still get the ball to advantage if grabbed, but he runs with his arms in close making it easy to pin the ball.
I disagree mate, watch the replay. He looks directly at the Richmond player and sees him coming but totally disregards him as a threat and even once tackled pays him little respect and tries to brush him off.
Yep, no question in my mind he saw the guy...... a bad decision (over keen/a bit arrogant perhaps).
Like that bomb of his from outside 50 that went OOBF - top of the square son, top of the square!
@PI2C
Interesting as I see the same issue with Yarran at times - he thinks he can outrun everyone else in the AFL and sometimes gets run down and caught. He often manages to dispose of the ball before being pinged though.
I disagree mate, watch the replay. He looks directly at the Richmond player and sees him coming but totally disregards him as a threat and even once tackled pays him little respect and tries to brush him off. He just thinks he can walk through tackles must have enormous strength. Hate to quote Danny Frawley but he'll learn from that. Another player that had not too much awareness but used to find the pill for fun was Andrew Carrazzo. He developed into a fantastic footballer.
He had absolutely no idea a Richmond player was coming......whatever the argument if he is to learn from this he should have already improved slightly by now, which tells me this will be his deficiency for life. Carrazzo was a bloody decent defender learning the game before he stepped into the midfield and from my memory his disposal was shocking not his awareness around him
The point is the kid needs to make decisions faster - he ain't an out and out speedster like others.
That only comes with experience.
As with Robbo, I'm sure that MM will work on getting him to focus on what he does really well and working his limitations. The problem with that passage of play is that he had a team mate open for a handball before he was gobbled up and passed up that opportunity. No doubt MM will tell him to give it off if any of the faster line breakers are available.
It would be hard to not to get carried away when you're in a final and you think you have the opportunity to run in and kick a decisive goal. Boys Own stuff, really.
Quarterbacks are trained to have an internal clock which goes into alarm mode after 5s. Doesn't matter how good your protection is and how nimble you are, after that time it's almost certain you'll be buried into the dirt.
he has played a dozen games of footy lets not praise or beat him up to much... One thing for certain we will find out alot about levi, Bell Andy Mac and Menzel today. We wont win the flag this year but we need to build compentency to support our elite players. Finals are the best furnace
he has played a dozen games of footy lets not praise or beat him up to much... One thing for certain we will find out alot about levi, Bell Andy Mac and Menzel today. We wont win the flag this year but we need to build compentency to support our elite players. Finals are the best furnace
Be careful with your words there.
They were CERTAIN that McLean would be coming into the side and almost certain that either Andy Mac or Menzel would be making way.
Hopefully it's Andy Mac.
I should say THEY were the boys on foxtel last night doing the pregame.
Bell the Super Sub... :( Mac on the wing, wrong move MM..
I think Bell will be a star. He's shown enough in this finals series to prove it. He'll be a great big game player and hard to stop with his size.
I think Bell will be a star. He's shown enough in this finals series to prove it. He'll be a great big game player and hard to stop with his size.
I'm sure MM is very excited by what he has seen from Tommy. Expect him to be a permanent fixture in 2014.
Belly was great, hey I just realised he has BJ's surname no wonder he loves him so much! :P
Belly was great, hey I just realised he has BJ's surname no wonder he loves him so much! :P
He does to !! Good pick up.
I thought Bell was 1 of our best last night, and still plenty of room for improvement.
His overall contibution was poor last night. Will learn from it. Once again got caught trying to burst through blokes which caused a lot of frustration for Betts who had given it off to him inside fifty.
Missed a target with a fairly straight forward handball in the third quarter.
Has a lot of upside but he would want to improve quickly from here.
Those were his only two real errors for the night you picked out though. 16 touches in just over a half of football was a fair effort.
Bell was far from our worst, at least he can win his own ball which half the team can't seem to do.
Those were his only two real errors for the night you picked out though. 16 touches in just over a half of football was a fair effort.
Sorry mate I thought they were all crap last night, and dont bother looking at stats overly. He definately wasnt a stand out when watching from the stands.
Belly was great, hey I just realised he has BJ's surname no wonder he loves him so much! :P
Ring a Ding Dong Carrots 8)
Those were his only two real errors for the night you picked out though. 16 touches in just over a half of football was a fair effort.
Sorry mate I thought they were all crap last night, and dont bother looking at stats overly. He definately wasnt a stand out when watching from the stands.
You were there? Fair enough obviously a different perspective for sure.
Bell is a hero for some because he recklessly throws himself in.
In fact, he needs to seriously work on his skills, he off loads badly and he damages ours and much as theirs.
Bell needs to constrain his ego and work on his skills, day and night. 24/7 or he is a waste of space.
Bell is a hero for some because he recklessly throws himself in.
In fact, he needs to seriously work on his skills, he off loads badly and he damages ours and much as theirs.
Bell needs to constrain his ego and work on his skills, day and night. 24/7 or he is a waste of space.
You could be talking about Robbo as well!
Bell is probably the last of my worries at the moment.
Bell is a hero for some because he recklessly throws himself in.
In fact, he needs to seriously work on his skills, he off loads badly and he damages ours and much as theirs.
Bell needs to constrain his ego and work on his skills, day and night. 24/7 or he is a waste of space.
You could be talking about Robbo as well!
Judd too if we want to be really honest.
His overall contibution was poor last night. Will learn from it. Once again got caught trying to burst through blokes which caused a lot of frustration for Betts who had given it off to him inside fifty.
Missed a target with a fairly straight forward handball in the third quarter.
Has a lot of upside but he would want to improve quickly from here.
Thought Betts gave it too him too late and didnt have much choice but to try and smash his way through the tackler....The handball miss was because the player he was looking for changed direction at the last second...
Bell is still a way off cementing a spot and has some raw edges but the kid does win his own ball and we need his size, unless we suddenly get 2-3 Josh Kennedy's(Swans) being recruited
next draft then he will still have a place on the list..
That handball miss was behind his target no change of direction involved just plain old inaccuracy and a lack of foresight to realise that putting the ball into space in front of his teamate would have been more beneficial than handballing to where im pretty sure Gibbs was with the result being one of Mcveighs 41 posessions.