YOU BLOODY RIPPER !!!!!!!!
COP THAT !!!!
Thanks goodness - I can cop losing to the other finalists, because I think they actually are better than us. But I never rated the tigers, and always thought we were good enough o win.
Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.
Absolute farking brilliant second half Blues :D :D :D
Welcome to the Big time Bryce Gibbs!!
firkin hell...what about that!
2001 - how do you like that
I had the faith, said it was winnable, never in doubt....... >:D
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRIS JUDD O0
Juddy's our saviour & god!!!!!
Go the blues
U fkn beauty
Fantastic comeback Blues.
Hey Bartlett, is that failure i can smell?
Muppet.
u fcuking Beauty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go the Enigmas!!!
This is the sweetest victory of all ;D
Unbelievable character shown by the boys. Is MM a genius or a psychopath? Probably both but ... WHO CARES!!!
What a ripper.
Duigan was gone and now he's a hero. We were much fitter than them.
Well done Micky, you've but the buzz back into Carlton and have the last laugh against Eddie.
Who's in our leadership group again?? Go Blues!!
suck that mick.... malloy
Da dada dada. Da dada dada. Da dada dada dada dada. Dadadada!
Go you good things!!
Murph, Gibbs, Robbo, Juddy, Hendo, Eddy... hats off! Bloody champions!!!
What an effort in that second half. I'm absolutely pumped!!
Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.
Perhaps his best game for us. He was dynamic in the middle. When Judd lifted, we smashed them in the clearances.
Fed up with the commentators saying we shouldn't even be playing finals...like we're dirty or something. Like it though that they're saving their hype for the other teams!
Yes, things fell our way to help us into the finals but once you're there, you make your own luck. We showed that in the second half.
Well done Blues ^-^
I have literally not stopped laughing. Thank you Bummers for giving me that moment.
As for Ninthmond - I though we were mentally fragile. They lost their bundle so quickly it's embarrassing.
Bruce Gibbs, just so you know, I forgive you for all your past sins. Chris Judd, you don't need to be forgiven because you're a legend. I'll be proud to tell my grand children that I saw you play.
Tom Bell starting to show his potential. And Nick Duigan, weren't we going to delist him like a month ago?
What a great day it is... we make the finals at the expense of Essendon, then Collingwood get eliminated, and then to top it all off we send Richmond straight out.
Well Done Blue Boys
What a ripper.
Duigan was gone and now he's a hero. We were much fitter than them.
Well done Micky, you've but the buzz back into Carlton and have the last laugh against Eddie.
Duigan may have turned his career around, especially as he kicked straight.
Eddie McWobblies will be cursing that a team that finished 9th will now finish further up the ladder than they will.
I still think we need the picks. But the players don't seem to believe me.
hey dustin, - give my regards to the con in jail - cheers
Gibbs
Robbo
Judd
Warnock
Duigan........ you little ripper !!!
Now to hit Sydney running..
Second best game I've ever been to. Words cannot describe my feelings ATM, I have no voice left. T be there to see our boys pull off a win like that, it's the stuff dreams are made of.
Incredible. Shaking.
Knew it would be a good game when BGibbs started in the middle
And Nick Duigan, weren't we going to delist him like a month ago?
We probably still will do something with him but more than likely it'll be by trade and his value just rose immensely today.
Second best game I've ever been to. Words cannot describe my feelings ATM, I have no voice left. T be there to see our boys pull off a win like that, it's the stuff dreams are made of.
Would have been amazing!
and like Collingwood, Richmond now have 6 months to think about it - just laughing my head off here :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
We weren't even supposed to be there!!!!! :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Make no mistake, the last two weeks are what great winning cultures are bred from.
Absolutely epic effort, I thought we played really well for the whole four quarters and were just absolutely crucified by the umpires in the first half. Richmond scored four goals directly from soft free kicks/50m penalties and we couldn't buy one going the other way.
How amazing is Nick Duigan's story? Absolutely written off for most of the season, wasn't even in the side 5 minutes before the game, then steps up and shuts Deledio out of the game before booting a lazy 4 straight himself. He's just bought himself about 10 years worth of free beers after he finishes playing as long as he drinks around an even half passionate Carlton supporter.
Bryce Gibbs and Marc Murphy just stood up in the biggest possible way in the highest pressure game either of them would have played. I'm so proud of them, and am happy to laugh at myself for suggesting either be traded after the loss to Essendon. If they can bring that sort of quality every week, we will be very hard to beat.
Eddie Betts too, played easily his best game for the year. Not just in terms of the goals he scored but also his play around the ground. He was clutch and so very, very reliable. May have just played himself into a new Carlton contract. Brilliant!
Robbo, I didn't know what to say when you punched the ball through for that certain Richmond goal, but your intensity showed our boys what finals footy was all about and you could see the lads walking taller when you were around. Brilliant game and set the standard for physicality. Even his disposal was better today for the most part.
How good is Lachie Henderson? I wish we had four of him, we'd never lose a game. No matter where he was on the ground he was courageous and rock solid. I don't think he made a mistake all game.
Juddy, I can't believe anyone doubted your ability to run out there and have an influence. You dragged us back into the game in the third quarter like you'd turned back the clock 3 years and you could see the boys around him lift as a result. You may not be captain anymore, but you're still a spiritual leader at the club.
Simmo, I love you, and have even started growing my own beard in honour of yours. Another brilliant game under absurd pressure and you showed just how up to it you are.
OUR LEADERSHIP GROUP! - Every single one of you bar Carrots who wasn't playing showed today just why you were put into those positions. You were instrumental in LEADING us to victory and lifting the boys all over the park.
Mick Malthouse - Haha to anyone who doubted the man, he's now taken us as far as we've been in the past what? 13 years? After finishing 9th on the ladder. You can see the belief the boys have in themselves and you can see everyone finally starting to look like they're playing for each other and playing for the jumper instead of themselves. That's got to at least be partly accredited to the coach.
Sorry to anyone I missed out in my summary above, I'm pretty emotional and just so very proud of the boys right now. You lifted for my departed Dad on Father's Day last week, you lifted again today, and next week you get to do it again on what would have been his birthday if he'd still been with us. I have no doubt that he's still chugging down brews and cheering you all on.
Go you Blue Boys!!!
How amazing is Nick Duigan's story?
It's amazing that he's replaced Brock and has done a Brock in the same game.
Nick Duigan is a very very good footballer. Average players just don't so what he did today in finals.
Gibbs kept us in it in the second term.
Murphy industrious from the start exactly what we needed from him when it was hard to get the pill early.
Waite is the one who really impressed me. Looked difficult for him early but really worked his way into the game.
Then there's that man Judd. Turned it on when it counted the most. Literally swung the game and gave the rest of the team belief. I saw when it happened as well it was halfway through the second term and we looked to be wilting and he laid a crunching tackle which really stopped the Tiges in their tracks. I really felt the boys lifted from that time on.
Just got back from the game, an amazing but not unexpected win. felt throughout the entire game that we were well in it. Go blues ..
I didnt realize we were even playing today?
How amazing is Nick Duigan's story?
It's amazing that he's replaced Brock and has done a Brock in the same game.
Also cuedos for a great selection. Ted Hopkins nearly.
Nick Duigan is a very very good footballer. Average players just don't so what he did today in finals.
Gibbs kept us in it in the second term.
Murphy industrious from the start exactly what we needed from him when it was hard to get the pill early.
Waite is the one who really impressed me. Looked difficult for him early but really worked his way into the game.
Then there's that man Judd. Turned it on when it counted the most. Literally swung the game and gave the rest of the team belief. I saw when it happened as well it was halfway through the second term and we looked to be wilting and he laid a crunching tackle which really stopped the Tiges in their tracks. I really felt the boys lifted from that time on.
Duigan and Bell were both hard at the contest.. Like last week Duigans body work at critical stages was telling (goals aside)
Been messaged by a cousin and mate (both Pies supporters that hate us) both saying how impressed they were with our win. The words 'heart' and contested footy' were used. I think we've actually gained some respect back as a club today. Feels forking fantastic!
We're all feeling pretty pumped now, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Today's win was great, but Richmond aren't that flash. Easily the worst of the finalists IMO.
And why is Malthouse getting all the credit ? When the players show no ticker, then it's their fault - when they do show ticker, it's due to Mick ?
We're all feeling pretty pumped now, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Today's win was great, but Richmond aren't that flash. Easily the worst of the finalists IMO.
Oh give it a break, they finished 5th and played some pretty damn good footy all year to get there.
Just be happy with the win, we're into the second week of the finals for the second time since 2000.
Just can't please some people haha
Just got back from the game, need to watch replay, but quickly Gibbs best game, Bell, Murph, Judd, Curnow, all looked great. Hendo - what a mark, thanks again Vossy, I love you for giving us Hendo :-*
I'm please because we won a game we should've. Simple as that. Richmond aren't that great, and the fact that they lost to us proves it.
judd's second half was like Kouta in 99! Ripped the tigers apart.
Duigan's 4 goals were great but his unbelievable attack on the ball midway through the final quarter when the game was in the balance was legendary.
If this had been a grand final, there would be 3 or 4 acts of courage in that final quarter that would become folklore.
One of the best September days I've had at the G for quite a while :D
I was so pleased that Duigan was a late inclusion.
Go Blues!
It felt like a grand final and like a grand final win everyone needs to do their bit on the day, today even considering McInnesses woes they all found a way.
Well done to the team and this must have given them some real belief. I wonder if they're now thinking 'what if...'
Nobody expected us to be in the finals, everyone thought Richmond was going to win and now nobody expects us to beat the Swans. I think underdog and rank outsider are right where we want to be and you never know.
If we can find a way of stopping supply to Tippett then who knows....
If we can find a way of stopping supply to Tippett then who knows....
Yep....kill the supply
Playing at ANZ instead of the SCG will be in our favour because there is more space (more kicks to goal) so we have a chance of formulating a solution to restrict supply to Tippett and co.
Can we hire Push Up King for our Mad Monday?
A lot of high fives with strangers today. What a day. Great experience for the young players. As someone said earlier, I thought Duigan's attack on the ball in the air about halfway through the last quarter was huge.
Gibbs
Murphy
Judd
A winning ruck in Warnock and those three mids as our best ballwinners and its game over for pretenders like Richmond.
For us to win a flag thats how it has be for most weeks of the year..
Great win and so sweet against the over hyped Tigers...suck on that KB and I'll be tuning in to your little radio show to hear your excuses...
Umpiring was woeful as usual.....hats off to Waite...composed, disciplined and kicked straight..
Nick Duigan...another win for State League players......first Barlow and now Duigan.....
Robbo...cant kick but big heart
Anyone ever see Chris Judd show so much emotion after a goal?
Got the blood pumping.
I am pleased
Speechless. All heart that performance. #Believe.
Anyone ever see Chris Judd show so much emotion after a goal?
Got the blood pumping.
Yep Judd was the catalyst and he liked that goal ... a lot...
Anyone ever see Chris Judd show so much emotion after a goal?
Got the blood pumping.
I think even a champ of his ilk realised how special this was. Not so long ago his season was dead and buried along with the team.
I nearly had a heart attack and a stroke at the same time. But thought we will get away with this one. Maybe Duigan gave me the hope I needed.
What an amazing day at the 'G. Easily the best day I've had at the football for well over a decade.
An incredible atmosphere from the get go with the crowd making lots of noise well before the bounce.
Good to hear the anthem again and that roar was out of this world. 95K is a crowd worthy of a grand final and I wonder what the rivalry between these two sides would be like if we were both sitting at the top of the ladder.
The first quarter was woeful. Our structures completely collapsed. We often fall down across half forward but we were falling down across half back. I do wonder if we thought we just needed to save any damage. Betts looked like he didn't know where he was and Waite wasn't much better.
The club showed plenty of character and fight and I have a lot of man love for Juddy but boy, what a warrior and champion this man is.
Warnock again puts in a big game in a final - he is a big game player. Betts and Waite really stepped up in the second half.
The atmosphere after the win was the best since the 1999 preliminary final and maybe that was one of the best wins we've had since that game. It was so moving seeing Carlton supporters out of their seats and singing the club song, jumping around from joy that I had to record it. I felt that maybe some faith had been restored to the supporter base after we have maybe become a little disenfranchised in recent years.
Maybe this is the first step this team needed to take to show some resolve and some heart.
Well done all.
Duigan has been a masterstroke by MM
Last week provided the inside contest hardness
This week defensive half forward with 4 goals
The Club must keep him next year, because the finals are the only judge on how good a player really is...
#BELIEVE
#BELIEVE
unfcking#BELIEVEable!
I love the way we kept it low key.
I love how the media made it all about them.
I love how MM played the selection shenanigans.
I loved the attack on the footy and man in the 2nd half.
I loved Judd, Murph, Gibbs, Robbie, Duigs and Waity today.
That was one hell of a day at the footy.
Richmond supporters are pure and utter human filth.
Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.
Belongs in the Midfield.....permenantly
Second best game I've ever been to. Words cannot describe my feelings ATM, I have no voice left. T be there to see our boys pull off a win like that, it's the stuff dreams are made of.
Like
just got home to much to drink no voice.
Robbi was awesome.
Juddy started it Gibbs caried it!!
robbo heart
Diugan wow
Ed Curnow such a good boy
Greatest game in world nothing better
Sydney airfares booked
The planets must still be in alignment. This side that was written off by so many after the shocking Essendenial loss have just found a will to win. It's a game of inches this great sport we have. A couple of inches the other side of the post last week and we wouldn't be celebrating one of the great wins in this clubs history. Have never hugged so many complete strangers at the footy as I did today. Trying to get the wife to go to bed so I can watch the replay but from my perspective Gibbs was BOG followed closely by Murph and the Juddmaster. Waite never to play down back again. Duigan may have saved his career and Ed Curnow (apart from his atrocious kicking) continues to deliver. We are a chance next week make no mistake. Momentum is a powerful, powerful thing.
[flash=600,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/6bWyhj7siEY[/flash]
Feels bloody good!
Duigan has been a masterstroke by MM
Last week provided the inside contest hardness
This week defensive half forward with 4 goals
The Club must keep him next year, because the finals are the only judge on how good a player really is...
He only made the 22 five minutes before the game so it's hardly a masterstroke. ::)
I just hope Malthouse now realises how hard Duigan competes and names him in the 22 for next week.
OH! While I remember, Robbie Warnock, I have been one of your biggest critics but you were excellent today.
Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.
Belongs in the Midfield.....permenantly
Agree, enough of playing him all over the place. He is an attacking midfielder.
Duigan has been a masterstroke by MM
Last week provided the inside contest hardness
This week defensive half forward with 4 goals
The Club must keep him next year, because the finals are the only judge on how good a player really is...
He only made the 22 five minutes before the game so it's hardly a masterstroke. ::)
I just hope Malthouse now realises how hard Duigan competes and names him in the 22 for next week.
MM had a hard on for him when he got to the club and he has reprised some '11 form.
Kicking 4 goals in a final we weren't meant to win has immortalised to the Carlton faithful.
Duigan has been a masterstroke by MM
Last week provided the inside contest hardness
This week defensive half forward with 4 goals
The Club must keep him next year, because the finals are the only judge on how good a player really is...
He only made the 22 five minutes before the game so it's hardly a masterstroke. ::)
I just hope Malthouse now realises how hard Duigan competes and names him in the 22 for next week.
It was gamesmanship by MM, he was always gonna play, hinted at it on Talking Footy when Duigs was named as an "out" by Carey and MM said "no, he was as tuff as a cats head..".
OH! While I remember, Robbie Warnock, I have been one of your biggest critics but you were excellent today.
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Duigan has been a masterstroke by MM
Last week provided the inside contest hardness
This week defensive half forward with 4 goals
The Club must keep him next year, because the finals are the only judge on how good a player really is...
He only made the 22 five minutes before the game so it's hardly a masterstroke. ::)
I just hope Malthouse now realises how hard Duigan competes and names him in the 22 for next week.
MM had a hard on for him when he got to the club and he has reprised some '11 form.
Kicking 4 goals in a final we weren't meant to win has immortalised to the Carlton faithful.
MM virtually dismissed his performance at the PM presser. Said he expected any emergency to be switched on and ready to play.
MM virtually dismissed his performance at the PM presser. Said he expected any emergency to be switched on and ready to play.
MM doesn't pump anyone up.
He was at pains to say Judd was any good.
Remember hearing Hardwick saying during the week he hopes Judd does play because they wanted to beat us with Judd in the team. Be careful what you wish for Damian ;D
Only just got home from the game. Was surrounded by Tiger ferals and they were really up and about until half time - gee these delusionals are quite sickening. As the game ebbed away from them though you could hear their balloon deflating - it was absolutely palpable - they knew they were heading for the slaughter - they're bloody conditioned to it. All I could think of was suck sh1te KB! ;D
Great fighting effort by the boys and MM!
MM virtually dismissed his performance at the PM presser. Said he expected any emergency to be switched on and ready to play.
MM doesn't pump anyone up.
He was at pains to say Judd was any good.
True.
DUIGAN!!!
Oh yeah and kicking 18.8 as opposed to 8.18 makes difference. 4.0 to both Waitey and Duigs.
I still reckon we won the Grigg Trade.
I still reckon we won the Grigg Trade.
Grigg was useless today but Collins has been useless for three seasons.....
I still reckon we won the Grigg Trade.
Grigg was useless today but Collins has been useless for three seasons.....
Grigg is a Carlton Mole and you know it.
I still reckon we won the Grigg Trade.
Grigg was useless today but Collins has been useless for three seasons.....
Check out PRE all year.... saying exactly what I have been saying.
We won by not playing Collins and them playing a Cheat under a big pressure game.
Can hardly say that we won the trade Shadesy, Collins has played a handful of games. I'd say that they haven't got full value for maybe what they expected.
Surprisingly three players of there's that I thought would shine in September where very disappointing (if I was a Tiger supporter). Martin, Riewolt and King. Would've expected that they were made for September, but really showed very little.
Just started watching the replay. At the game I thought the umpiring in the first half was bad, but its even worst on TV :o
Edit: the commentary is horrible, 1st half love for Tigers is amazingly bias
Grigg was the sweetener for me. Eat $hit you traitor!!!
I still reckon we won the Grigg Trade.
Grigg was useless today but Collins has been useless for three seasons.....
I can't agree. Yes, Grigg was useless today, but he has done some good things for Richmond. I didn't want to have him at all: I would have preferred others. Grigg was a waste of a very good pick, even though he had done pretty well the year he was drafted. He was always somewhat suspect. He proved to be so for us. I can remember Collingwood reserves beating us and them wanting Grigg to get the ball because he panicked a mucked it up about 25 of his 32 possessions that day.
He has been a much better player for Richmond, because they wanted a complete midfield, including outside types. We wanted him to be something he wasn't.
Unfortunately Andy Collins hasn't come up. It is a pity as I know him. He will probably not have his contracted renewed. That makes the Grigg trade a loss for us, as I can't see Richmond delisting Grigg anytime soon.
Can't remember a better day at the footy in the past 13 years.
When Juddy kicked that goal in the last quarter I almost passed out!
Arrogant Richmond supporters celebrating before the game started like they were going to win the premiership.
I'm embarrassed that I started a three two weeks ago questioning the captaincy of Murphy. His past two weeks are his making. Incredibly tough and committed today.
Judd was amazing playing on one leg, taking the team on his shoulders to victory.
Warnock was the difference in the second half. Tore Maric a new one in the ruck contests, giving our guys first use.
Bryce Gibbs has finally decided he wants to be a contested footballer. His work around the stoppages was a class above anyone else on the field.
Henderson was gutsy, Jamison is Riewoldt's nemesis.
Eddie B found his mojo.
Thought it was the best game Waite played for the year - even better the first game against Essendon. His energy made others around him lift.
Duigan was incredible. Tough and hard to move. Serious leadership on show today.
Curnow and Robbo (except the brain fade) were so good. Just wish they could both learn to kick.
Simpson was gutsy and Garlett dangerous.
We did have a few guys down today but still managed to win.
The noise of the crowd and the flurry of goals in the second half,mother courageous acts. boy, what a day!
I love the irony........
The tiges got beat by a team who finished 9th ;D
Grigg was the sweetener for me. Eat $hit you traitor!!!
He certainly didn't make any friends leaving as he did. He didn't give us any return value: Richmond thought they were doing us a favour by offering anyone.
In the circumstances, I must admit to a little frisson in today's result from that. karma.
Duigan & Waite: 8 straight between, what a difference some competence in front of goal makes!!!
Nick Duigan saved his career today & I'm rapt for him. Showed that being ignored for 20 weeks was a mistake & reckon even MM would acknowledge that.
What an atmosphere....haven't heard an atmosphere like that @ the MCG for many, many, many years. As others have said, possibly the 2nd-best win I've ever witnessed.
Never seen so many 50's paid against in a game, let alone a half as so happened today. Richmond's lead was pretty much just a reflection of the charity they had rec'd ad nauseum throughout the first half. From Vickery's dodgy paid mark for their first goal, through to Waite's one-arm tackle on Rance unbelievably being called play-on....they were given an absolute armchair ride by those fluoro pr!cks in the first half. Second half their charity subsided & so did their scoring opportunities.
Worked ourselves into the game after an at times, sluggish first half. Was worried about a lot of players at half-time, all worries killed off emphatically by game's end.
Some of our blokes played their finest games in Navy Blue today: Waite, Duigan, Gibbs, Warnock, Robbo, Hendo, whilst others were simply fine contributors: Betts, Scotland, Walker, Simmo, Murph, Jamo, Bell, Garlett & of course....the man....JUDDY!!!
Again, as others have said, I knew this meant a crapload to Judd when he pumped his fist like I've never seen him after that goal in the last....that was my moment of the match, clutch goal @ a clutch time.
As complete a forward's game as I've ever seen from Waite, just superb. Big Robbie was huge in the ruck contests....HUGE, also got his hands on the ball a lot in general play which was really pleasing to see & helped our cause no end. How was Hendo? What a gun we've got ourselves there, 2 huge marks in the last & just uses the ball so well. When we got 2 goals up in the last, I saw Eddie turn around in the goalsquare & gestured for the Blues throng to fire-up, it was brilliant to see......fark I hope Eddie stays.
Btw......I tipped Carlton!!!
p.s......Fcuk I love this Football Club!!!
I love seeing Grigg in a losing side.
Wish nothing but the best for Jacobs and Kennedy, just not Grigg. >:D
Can someone explain why Waite didn't get a 50m penalty when Riewoldt bumped him as he was lining up his shot for goal in the last quarter?
What an atmosphere....haven't heard an atmosphere like that @ the MCG for many, many, many years. As others have said, possibly the 2nd-best win I've ever witnessed.
If 1999 was the other win, then Essendon have had a significant hand in both of them!!!
Agreed re crowd, from lining up back to Jolimont Station, to the prematch roar, to the 'in match' roars, it was GF atmosphere all over!
I love seeing Grigg in a losing side.
Wish nothing but the best for Jacobs and Kennedy, just not Grigg. >:D
Blokes who just play just for the cash never experience true success, the best of the best are the best because they would do it for free!
Can someone explain why Waite didn't get a 50m penalty when Riewoldt bumped him as he was lining up his shot for goal in the last quarter?
That was what Waite asked the umpire. They clearly wanted the fairytale to be Richmond into the next round. I'm surprised when they played on (and the umpire called advantage) 20m from goal and the player got nailed in a tackle, that the ball wasn't handed back to them.
Can someone explain why Waite didn't get a 50m penalty when Riewoldt bumped him as he was lining up his shot for goal in the last quarter?
Because he was wearing a navy blue jumper with a CFC on it.
What an atmosphere....haven't heard an atmosphere like that @ the MCG for many, many, many years. As others have said, possibly the 2nd-best win I've ever witnessed.
If 1999 was the other win, then Essendon have had a significant hand in both of them!!!
Agreed re crowd, from lining up back to Jolimont Station, to the prematch roar, to the 'in match' roars, it was GF atmosphere all over!
They said it was nearly 95,000 the crowd, and the largest crowd Richmond have played in front of since the 1980 Grand Final.
I still reckon we won the Grigg Trade.
Grigg was useless today but Collins has been useless for three seasons.....
doesn't Collins hold the specky mat at training?
the best thing is the ripple effect of the filth losing
turning on their own and that lunatic shaw.
perfect weekend - just perfect
Rudd - scum - ninethmond all in 24 hours
I still reckon we won the Grigg Trade.
Who is Grigg ?
Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.
Belongs in the Midfield.....permenantly
Its not like we haven't been saying that for the past 5-6 years though, maybe he will become the player we always thought he would if he stays there.
Oh yeah and kicking 18.8 as opposed to 8.18 makes difference. 4.0 to both Waitey and Duigs.
Like 8) 8) 8)
Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.
Belongs in the Midfield.....permenantly
Its not like we haven't been saying that for the past 5-6 years though, maybe he will become the player we always thought he would if he stays there.
maybe we'll be the team we want to be if we play at least 3 1/2 quarters.
And then there was one.....Essendon = gone, then the Pies = gone, now the Tigers = gone, we're the last of the 'big four' standing.....who would've thunk it a month ago!?
Apart from the Friday night crappola, possibly the most enjoyable weekend of footy I've ever witnessed.
Not sure how much farther we can go, always in with a chance in two horse races and you never know!
But after today regardless of what happens I am sort of satisfied, there is no team left in the finals that I really hate and stamping Nthmond's papers under the guidance of the past Collingwood super-coach after being invited to do so by EFC is just about as good as it gets without winning a flag!
Are we now officially the only team to win a final from 9th position, yet another tick on the Carlton FC honor board? If not, at least Nthmond have the dishonor of being ejected from the finals by the 9th place side!
Gotta be a chance of knocking off the Swans, especially if we can replicate our second half form from the past two weeks.
Does anyone have a link to an online replay?
But after today regardless of what happens I am sort of satisfied
That was the mindset after th 1999 Preliminary Final, which gave us no chance in the GF. Enjoy the win, but also focus on the two horse race next Saturday night. We can talk more about this great win and satisfaction in October.
Also LWLLL ain't great form from the Swans who took a physical beating on Friday night.
We are a genuine chance. Winning form is good form!
Gotta be a chance of knocking off the Swans, especially if we can replicate our second half form from the past two weeks.
Would be chuffed as if it happened, but..................
I reckon Wanock has put on some muscle and getting more aggressive and confident...
Gotta be a chance of knocking off the Swans, especially if we can replicate our second half form from the past two weeks.
. . . and they play like they did in the second half.
Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.
Belongs in the Midfield.....permenantly
Its not like we haven't been saying that for the past 5-6 years though, maybe he will become the player we always thought he would if he stays there.
maybe we'll be the team we want to be if we play at least 3 1/2 quarters.
I don't think we are fit enough yet to play MM's way for the full 4Q. That's why we maybe have to cruise a bit for up to a quarter. I'm looking forward to seeing what eventuates re. our fitness coach replacement and how we might improve our match performances next year.
I reckon Wanock has put on some muscle and getting more aggressive and confident...
Was his best game for the club by some margin!
And then there was one.....Essendon = gone, then the Pies = gone, now the Tigers = gone, we're the last of the 'big four' standing.....who would've thunk it a month ago!?
Apart from the Friday night crappola, possibly the most enjoyable weekend of footy I've ever witnessed.
So as it stands at present, our worst case scenario is we end up 6th.. Best case yet to unfold.. I think it's fair to conclude that 2013 is an improvement on 2012.
I reckon Wanock has put on some muscle and getting more aggressive and confident...
Warnock is pushing out Kreuzer or Hampson. One of the other 2 might not be at the club too much longer.
Does anyone have a link to an online replay?
Go to AFL.com and you will find a replay there under the Week 1 finals results, however it will not be available until the morning.
I reckon Wanock has put on some muscle and getting more aggressive and confident...
Was his best game for the club by some margin!
I thought his game against WC /Cox earlier in the season was a ripper and better than his game today, his game today was very good, his games last week and the week before were also very good.
I reckon Wanock has put on some muscle and getting more aggressive and confident...
Warnock is pushing out Kreuzer or Hampson. One of the other 2 might not be at the club too much longer.
Wouldn't think so, more likely Rowe and Casboult will be off before the rucks but it does depend greatly on recruiting.
Next week we go up against a side with two ruckmen and two 2nd ruckmen, four in total. People keep saying Tippett is a forward but he rucked more than Mumford on Friday night, White and Pyke were the chop out ruckmen. We cannot go into that game with Warnock and a part-timer, it just won't work.
Is next weekend White's rehearsal for a Carlton trade deal?
What a great weekend of footy. Last week Eddie was whingeing about having to travel to Perth on a 6 day break, well you dont have to unless thats where you are having your mad Monday, eat a bowl of dicks Eddie.
I thought his game against WC /Cox earlier in the season was a ripper and better than his game today, his game today was very good, his games last week and the week before were also very good.
Cannot agree on that, previous weeks he did stuff all outside of the tap work.
This week he was 1000% better contesting the ball once it hit the ground!
I thought his game against WC /Cox earlier in the season was a ripper and better than his game today, his game today was very good, his games last week and the week before were also very good.
Cannot agree on that, previous weeks he did stuff all outside of the tap work.
This week he was 1000% better contesting the ball once it hit the ground!
His second half against Port last week was influential in our comeback.
warnocks value has just gone through the roof
Haven't seen today's replay as yet, but what was evident being at the game was the amount of ground he covered, and number of contests he got to, very very good game.. Last week his attack on the ball including his ground work was very good in second half. I remember his attack at a critical stage in that last q when the game was in the balance was critical.
What a great win by the blue baggers. My BIL is a Richmond support and I absolutely gave it to him, bombarded him with about 10 SMS's after the game. The team was just fantastic and I have to agree with most of the posters about it been the second best final that I have seen apart from winning grand finals, the 1999 prelim been the best.
I thought that playing Riewoldt up the ground played into our hands as Edwards could not kick straight and Vickery was not as effective as he has been in the past. If Edwards was the leadup forward and Riewoldt takes the marks in front then he would of more likely converted those points into goals. The guys just don't give up and MM has instilled into them a never die attitude. They play for him and they will walk over hot coals for him. He has earned his pay this year and is worth ever cent. I only wish that Geelong would of won on Saturday as we would play them in the prelim instead of Freemantle in Perth. However in the words of MM one week at a time. Go Bluessssssssssssssssssssss.
BB1.
I reckon Wanock has put on some muscle and getting more aggressive and confident...
Warnock is pushing out Kreuzer or Hampson. One of the other 2 might not be at the club too much longer.
I think a reality check is in order here Mantis ;)
Warnock got lots of hitouts, kicked a ripper goal, dished out a couple of bumps, and got thoroughly pantsed by Maric. Kreuzer got lots of hitouts too, did some heavy work, saved quite a few goals with great spoils, and got thoroughly pantsed by Maric.
I think Kreuzer is still ahead of Warnock by virtue of his ability to be more than just a tap ruckman. Warnock is an exceptional tap ruckman but is limited by his inability to go forward or win the ball around the ground. Hampson is, in my view, a better tap ruckman than the other two and is more versatile than Warnock. His inability to play out a season is a drawback but the other two aren't that much better. In fact, retaining all three on our list is probably the best way to ensure that we have at least one specialist ruckman available.
Not sure how much farther we can go, always in with a chance in two horse races and you never know!
But after today regardless of what happens I am sort of satisfied, there is no team left in the finals that I really hate and stamping Nthmond's papers under the guidance of the past Collingwood super-coach after being invited to do so by EFC is just about as good as it gets without winning a flag!
Are we now officially the only team to win a final from 9th position, yet another tick on the Carlton FC honor board? If not, at least Nthmond have the dishonor of being ejected from the finals by the 9th place side!
Alot more irony in that last sentence than you could imagine.
Our footy team is one strange cat. crap and good from week to week, sh1t and good in the same game, capable of being mentally weak and mentally very strong within the same game, and now into the second week of the finals and in with a chance.
Must say we have been good against top sides this year most time without necessarily winning. Those above small crap patches got us in alot of those games and we got robbed blind against the Hawks.
Just watched the Replay.
Gibbs was so good in the last. Just lacked a goal but that would be one of the best quarters in a final from any Carlton player.
Seriously watch it again.... Well done Bryce.
Just watched the Replay.
Gibbs was so good in the last. Just lacked a goal but that would be one of the best quarters in a final from any Carlton player.
Seriously watch it again.... Well done Bryce.
Uses the ball so well!!
I should have given him votes :-[
Just watched the Replay.
Gibbs was so good in the last. Just lacked a goal but that would be one of the best quarters in a final from any Carlton player.
Seriously watch it again.... Well done Bryce.
Uses the ball so well!!
I should have given him votes :-[
How did you not give him votes ? I had him as one of the best 3 players we had.
Just watched the Replay.
Gibbs was so good in the last. Just lacked a goal but that would be one of the best quarters in a final from any Carlton player.
Seriously watch it again.... Well done Bryce.
Uses the ball so well!!
I should have given him votes :-[
How did you not give him votes ? I had him as one of the best 3 players we had.
Judd, Duigs, Robbo, Warnock and Waite all staked their claims.
Call it as you see it buddy. Hard to argue with you on that note. However if this Gibbs stays as he is going at the moment in the last few games, Mick will be the credit of an absolute elite. Like what he did to Daisy. A good player every now and then, to a genuine contributor with class.
Call it as you see it buddy. Hard to argue with you on that note. However if this Gibbs stays as he is going at the moment in the last few games, Mick will be the credit of an absolute elite. Like what he did to Daisy. A good player every now and then, to a genuine contributor with class.
For sure, I'm loving the player Gibbs has become this year!!
A good morning of radio tomorrow - first, MMM to hear Eddie venting, and then KB on SEN may receive a couple of calls from Carlton fans.
A good morning of radio tomorrow - first, MMM to hear Eddie venting, and then KB on SEN may receive a couple of calls from Carlton fans.
Bartlett will be frothing at the mouth, just wish Sheedy was on air with him. This would be gold in oh so many ways! :)) :)) :))
I want to congratulate the boys on a magnificent second half of football.
To say the first half was pathetic, is an understatement. What most of the players showed, is what has been lacking for most games this season, what was lacking in the first half last week, and what was totally lacking in the first half this week. They showed true guts and determination, and that, plus Richmond tiring, due to the early loss of Conka, and their inability to rotate off the bench as they would have liked, gave us the win.
The first half, was undisciplined crap, not helped by at least one very dubious 50 metre penalty against Kade, and one free not paid to Waite against Rance.
In the second half, all except Armfield who took the day off, Yarran, who still contributed very little, Kreuzer, who has a bad leg, but when he didn't, couldn't take a mark, Hendo, who despite taking a great courageous mark, did not have one of his best games, and Mcguiness, was he really out on the ground, earnt their pay.
If the boys pull up well and can recover after 6 days, they are a real chance to beat Sydney who are undermanned and carrying a lot of injuries.
At least we are there, and we have the satisfaction of going further than Collingwood and Richmond and the drug cheats.
BUT, and here is the but, let us not forget how we, yes we on this forum, have rightly bagged the players for many a pathetic effort over this season.
Let us revel in this win against our enemy, but let jus also realise that if we want to finish in the final four next year on our own merits, there needs to be a massive culling of players who don't cut the mustard.
I have said in previous posts, that I hoped that if we won a few games, and yes, even a final, it would not divert our coach recruiters and the board from the vital job that they are entrusted to do for us the supporters.
Recruit the very best that they can so that in our 150th year, we can stand on the dais at the MCG on grand final day holding the premiership cup aloft.
Nothing less than that will satisfy this supporter.
A good morning of radio tomorrow - first, MMM to hear Eddie venting, and then KB on SEN may receive a couple of calls from Carlton fans.
The deserve to be there argument is now null and void. It's what makes this all worth while. :))
The "don't deserve to be there" argument never had any legs to it IMO. Let's face it, Essendon were excluded from the finals for being drug cheats. Yes, the AFL allowed the Scum to pare down the chargesheet, but for their supporters to argue that they weren't done for drugs because of what their club pleaded guilty to is like Melbourne supporters arguing that they were found not guilty of tanking. The penalties in both cases tell the tale.
Nobody suggests that an athlete who wins after a competitor is rubbed out for drug cheating didn't deserve to win.
The "don't deserve to be there" argument never had any legs to it IMO.
No doubt KB will raise it, Gerard still fuels it and the majority of non Carlton supporters believe it.
They can believe in little green men and the Loch Ness Monster if they choose, but I couldn't care less. It only has any value as a jibe if we reveal any sensitivity to it. Let them try to explain why drug cheats shouldn't be simply rubbed out of the reckoning as happens in every sport.
They can believe in little green men and the Loch Ness Monster if they choose, but I couldn't care less. It only has any value as a jibe if we reveal any sensitivity to it. Let them try to explain why drug cheats shouldn't be simply rubbed out of the reckoning as happens in every sport.
Logic!!
Not sure KB has much left to give if his tweet just after the game is anything to go by ;D
https://twitter.com/KevinBartlett29/status/376625331051851776/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/KevinBartlett29/status/376625331051851776/photo/1)
Suck sh1t Tigers. You are our bunnies :P
and following on from that post...
over at ThePuntRoadEnd - http://puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48812.msg1639734#msg1639734 (http://puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=48812.msg1639734#msg1639734)
Finally worked out the gameplan .......... The rope a dope.
Play like crap for the first half, conserve energy let the opposition play their game then when they tired, let fly. ;D
I can't work out the commentators view of the game, they received soft 50s and frees and they go on like the Tiggs are world beaters. Cotchin little influence, Martin over rated, Delideo did he play? In fact i can't think of a single player for them that had great influence.
Well done blue boys.
For all the Malthouse bashes out there, he has now won as many finals coaching the blues as Ratten did in five years.
The day after the negatives come.
McInnes - WTF Simon White the second! Brain fade central, simply can't play against the Swans. The signs were there vs the scum.
Kreuzer - Ruckwork was OK but other than that a witches hat. Watching him try to chase at the ground you could see he was clearly hampered by a leg injury. His man ran off him quite often when he played in the forward line.
Yarran - Timid, bereft of confidence, very disappointing.
Andrew Walker - OK last quarter but gave away some soft frees and 50m Just don't like him at all on the last line of defence. I was calling for him to be traded in the first half! I say move him forward for sure.
Farking awesome - one can only hope that the sh1t-stained Bitchmond supporters that stood up and cheered when Kouta did his knee in 2001 enjoyed yesterday's proceedings.
And Kevin Bartlett - careful what you wish for you old kant - you were only out in your prediction by 116 points.
I reckon Wanock has put on some muscle and getting more aggressive and confident...
Warnock is pushing out Kreuzer or Hampson. One of the other 2 might not be at the club too much longer.
I think a reality check is in order here Mantis ;)
Warnock got lots of hitouts, kicked a ripper goal, dished out a couple of bumps, and got thoroughly pantsed by Maric. Kreuzer got lots of hitouts too, did some heavy work, saved quite a few goals with great spoils, and got thoroughly pantsed by Maric.
I think Kreuzer is still ahead of Warnock by virtue of his ability to be more than just a tap ruckman. Warnock is an exceptional tap ruckman but is limited by his inability to go forward or win the ball around the ground. Hampson is, in my view, a better tap ruckman than the other two and is more versatile than Warnock. His inability to play out a season is a drawback but the other two aren't that much better. In fact, retaining all three on our list is probably the best way to ensure that we have at least one specialist ruckman available.
The teams that one on the weekend had the dominant rucks.
We pantsed Richmond in the ruck.
BUT, and here is the but, let us not forget how we, yes we on this forum, have rightly bagged the players for many a pathetic effort over this season.
Let us revel in this win against our enemy, but let jus also realise that if we want to finish in the final four next year on our own merits, there needs to be a massive culling of players who don't cut the mustard.
A man after my own heart. ;)
I want to congratulate the boys on a magnificent second half of football.
To say the first half was pathetic, is an understatement. What most of the players showed, is what has been lacking for most games this season, what was lacking in the first half last week, and what was totally lacking in the first half this week. They showed true guts and determination, and that, plus Richmond tiring, due to the early loss of Conka, and their inability to rotate off the bench as they would have liked, gave us the win.
The first half, was undisciplined crap, not helped by at least one very dubious 50 metre penalty against Kade, and one free not paid to Waite against Rance.
In the second half, all except Armfield who took the day off, Yarran, who still contributed very little, Kreuzer, who has a bad leg, but when he didn't, couldn't take a mark, Hendo, who despite taking a great courageous mark, did not have one of his best games, and Mcguiness, was he really out on the ground, earnt their pay.
If the boys pull up well and can recover after 6 days, they are a real chance to beat Sydney who are undermanned and carrying a lot of injuries.
At least we are there, and we have the satisfaction of going further than Collingwood and Richmond and the drug cheats.
BUT, and here is the but, let us not forget how we, yes we on this forum, have rightly bagged the players for many a pathetic effort over this season.
Let us revel in this win against our enemy, but let jus also realise that if we want to finish in the final four next year on our own merits, there needs to be a massive culling of players who don't cut the mustard.
I have said in previous posts, that I hoped that if we won a few games, and yes, even a final, it would not divert our coach recruiters and the board from the vital job that they are entrusted to do for us the supporters.
Recruit the very best that they can so that in our 150th year, we can stand on the dais at the MCG on grand final day holding the premiership cup aloft.
Nothing less than that will satisfy this supporter.
Totally agree with this.
The list still needs a major amendment
The day after the negatives come.
McInnes - WTF Simon White the second! Brain fade central, simply can't play against the Swans. The signs were there vs the scum.
Kreuzer - Ruckwork was OK but other than that a witches hat. Watching him try to chase at the ground you could see he was clearly hampered by a leg injury. His man ran off him quite often when he played in the forward line.
Yarran - Timid, bereft of confidence, very disappointing.
Andrew Walker - OK last quarter but gave away some soft frees and 50m Just don't like him at all on the last line of defence. I was calling for him to be traded in the first half! I say move him forward for sure.
Mc Innes had a shocker.
Yazz ok i thought - maybe warming up for the GF?
@FB77
McInnes was very shaky I agree but I thought he steadied a bit later in the game. Yarran just does not look confident to me - very reluctant to just do his thing. Hopefully this will pass!
Big day, need to watch the replay, but got the Blues at $4.20 to win by 12 points or more. Had a lazy $500 on it.
The "don't deserve to be there" argument never had any legs to it IMO.
No doubt KB will raise it, Gerard still fuels it and the majority of non Carlton supporters believe it.
Yes like most of the tigers supporters who were bitching about us not having a right to be there on Sunday. Just laughed and made the victory all the more sweeter. :) :) :)
I liked MickM's comment that players contribute as they are. I think Bell lacks skills but he is in there trying and adding to balance.
Lot of Luck. You criticize Kreuzer, but he did some decisive ruck work, he competed and with a bit of luck could have pulled down a few.
Menzel is a game turning talent but luck did not present, but he did some nice things. I would not criticize Yarum, I thought he contributed - had circumstances been marginally different, he could have...
Robinson was great despite the clanger.
Duigan performed well but could be the replacement next week. It really is up to MickM and his mates.
As a team, they are to be congratulated.
Next week will be harder. Swans have more uniform talent, and apply unrelenting pressure. It will be Tiger effort plus 20% to knock them off!
Looks like McInnes is struggling in much the same way as he was before being dropped.
To be expected, but I'm not sure MM will look to his normal replacement in Bootsma.
That's the choice and I'm not sure Bootyman is quite up to it yet.
Laidler? Not a serious chance but probably the guy we needed if be could play like a couple of years ago.
The day after the negatives come.
McInnes - WTF Simon White the second! Brain fade central, simply can't play against the Swans. The signs were there vs the scum.
Kreuzer - Ruckwork was OK but other than that a witches hat. Watching him try to chase at the ground you could see he was clearly hampered by a leg injury. His man ran off him quite often when he played in the forward line.
Yarran - Timid, bereft of confidence, very disappointing.
Andrew Walker - OK last quarter but gave away some soft frees and 50m Just don't like him at all on the last line of defence. I was calling for him to be traded in the first half! I say move him forward for sure.
Good post PI2C.....agree with all of that. Leg injury or not, Kreuzer's career has simply stalled & he's as injury prone as any player I've seen in the AFL. I'm concerned......
Yarran clearly picks & chooses when he wants to really crack in & get involved....it's not good enough. I'm concerned.....
I thought McInnes had become the consummate 3rd tall defender, but his last 3 weeks haven't good.....haven't been good at all. I'm concerned.....
One of the more interesting moments in the game was the half time walk off. Robertson REALLY gave Bell a serve, something he richly deserved. Bell didn't like it and rather than accepting the criticism, stupidly responded.
I suspect more was said in the rooms, but Tom needs to shut up, work on his weaknesses and play with far more awareness of what's around him rather than assuming he has the time on his side when looking for downfield options.
I know I'm nitpicking DTTL....but please, at least spell his name right....Robinson.
I said that Richmond would look like Napolean's army leaving Moscow after Sunday and they were.
McInnes looks like the lack of a pre-season is starting to count against him, and if Maclean is fit, they should play him for McInnes. I think Walker will need to play as the third tall and Yarran will need to play down back as the three amigoes up forward doesn't work consistantly enough.
Casboult will come in only if Kruezer has an injury. I thought MK was critical yesterday in allowing Carlton to dominate the rucks in the 2nd half which helped the likes of Judd, Murphy & Gibbs dominate the mid-field battle. I actually thought he was the strength in the early part of the last quarter that pressed home our third quarter advantage.
Finally, I said on Saturday night that I agreed with Eddie Maguire. I thought it was disgraceful that Carlton would have to play in Sydney and then Perth, before we play Hawthorn in the Grand Final.
After watching the replay didn't see much that I didn't see at the game. Just a few points that reinforced what I saw.
- At half time thought we had absorbed the worst of it, and they had 3x50m penalties which they converted. All we needed to do was lift a bit and thank christ we did.
- Umpires got carried away in the moment in the first half - poor decisions both ways.
- Gibbs played the best game I've seen him play. Another couple like that and he finally he will be the one getting the tag. As I've said for years "leave him in the frrrkn midfield".
- Judd, never saw it coming thought he would be a liability with his injury but I'm so glad I was wrong. As always great to watch a true champ. Hope we can get him on the podium in the next 12-24 mths.
- Duigan, I think he can get away with it as a surprise inclusion, but as happened last time (I think against Pies last year(??)) other teams quickly do their homework and tighten up on him. Looked very slow one on one in the first qtr.
- Bell, yes he has his critics and like Mitch can butcher the ball, but as already mentioned by others the opposition turn their heads when they know his around. Spend the pre season on skills and he will be an awesome asset. (In saying that a lot need a pre season on skills ::) ).
- Hendo, I reckon I could turn for this guy, love him in the Navy Blue.
Finally, I said on Saturday night that I agreed with Eddie Maguire. I thought it was disgraceful that Carlton would have to play in Sydney and then Perth, before we play Hawthorn in the Grand Final.
Love your work George O0
I know I'm nitpicking DTTL....but please, at least spell his name right....Robinson.
You are .... but point taken. Didn't preview as I should have. ;D
Casboult will come in only if Kruezer has an injury. I thought MK was critical yesterday in allowing Carlton to dominate the rucks in the 2nd half which helped the likes of Judd, Murphy & Gibbs dominate the mid-field battle. I actually thought he was the strength in the early part of the last quarter that pressed home our third quarter advantage.
To paraphrase Kerry Packer, 'You only get one Tyrone Vickery in your life, and he's had his'. :P
The day after the negatives come.
McInnes - WTF Simon White the second! Brain fade central, simply can't play against the Swans. The signs were there vs the scum.
Kreuzer - Ruckwork was OK but other than that a witches hat. Watching him try to chase at the ground you could see he was clearly hampered by a leg injury. His man ran off him quite often when he played in the forward line.
Yarran - Timid, bereft of confidence, very disappointing.
Andrew Walker - OK last quarter but gave away some soft frees and 50m Just don't like him at all on the last line of defence. I was calling for him to be traded in the first half! I say move him forward for sure.
Good post PI2C.....agree with all of that. Leg injury or not, Kreuzer's career has simply stalled & he's as injury prone as any player I've seen in the AFL. I'm concerned......
Yarran clearly picks & chooses when he wants to really crack in & get involved....it's not good enough. I'm concerned.....
I thought McInnes had become the consummate 3rd tall defender, but his last 3 weeks haven't good.....haven't been good at all. I'm concerned.....
There you go PI2C, endorsed by Brettie!
Mav - Kerry Packer had actually two Alan Bonds. Once when he sold Channel Nine and once when he bought it back again. On another point, Alan Bond was another great Richmond Club President. As he said when he over the job, "he had always loved the red and the black".
Loving it, we are still playing while the filth, the dopers, and the tiggers are done and dusted in 2013.
It doesn't get much sweeter.
The teams that one on the weekend had the dominant rucks.
We pantsed Richmond in the ruck.
Are you sure LR?
Warnock had four more hitouts than Maric. Warnock kicked one goal to Maric's two. Maric had 16 disposals, took two marks, had six clearances and laid three tackles. Warnock had six disposals, no marks, no clearances and one tackle.
Kreuzer had 13 more hitouts than Vickery. However, Vickery kicked two goals, took six marks, had 14 disposals and two clearances. Kreuzer had four disposals and one clearance. Kreuzer did stick four tackles, as did Vickery.
Our rucks may have won more hitouts (and far more than usual were directed to our players) but they were ineffectual around the ground.
Not sure we have had a sweeter moment in recent years than Garlett intercepting the ball in the last qtr, hurdling the Richmond player and then being in the clear... pretty sure every Carlton supporter was up on their feet as soon as he got the ball, and he still had about 60 m to run. I had to sit down before he kicked it as i was about to pass out.
We lucky to be in the game at qtr time, unlucky not to be closer at half time, finally we started to get our hands on the ball in the 2nd half and the game started to flow our way.
Absolutely epic day. Swan St was absolutely pumping pre-game. Biggest non-GF crowd i think i've been at, let's face it Richmond are good for football... and they are great for Carlton.
Not sure we have had a sweeter moment in recent years than Garlett intercepting the ball in the last qtr, hurdling the Richmond player and then being in the clear... pretty sure every Carlton supporter was up on their feet as soon as he got the ball, and he still had about 60 m to run. I had to sit down before he kicked it as i was about to pass out.
We lucky to be in the game at qtr time, unlucky not to be closer at half time, finally we started to get our hands on the ball in the 2nd half and the game started to flow our way.
Absolutely epic day. Swan St was absolutely pumping pre-game. Biggest non-GF crowd i think i've been at, let's face it Richmond are good for football... and they are great for Carlton.
"LIKE!"
A few of our blokes looked fatigued during the warm up, that is a massive sign of nerves. Bell, McInnes, Garlett, Yarran, Kreuzer and Curnow in particular. But they had fitness to run out the game which is a good sign, as long as MM can manage their head space so that they get to the game in the the best possible condition we have a chance.
Walker was crook a couple of weeks back, since then he has looked slow and indecisive. It is amazing what missing one week and playing one poor game can do. It just proves confidence is king! But he proved his football worth, when he wisely held up play a couple of times to ensure we retain the football.
Tuohy was average but did his job, he can only improve.
Betts got some kudos back.
Gibbs proved he should have been playing midfield for the last five years and Judd is a freak!
Duigan might have no skills, he might make the odd bad decisions, be too slow and too old. But I'd have him in our side among the first picked week in and week out, because what we lack he has heaps of and he is exactly what we need.
Someone please tell me how to fix Robbo, he is the proverbial roll of the dice yet when he comes up six once or twice a game he is invaluable.
We had a lot of players not anywhere near at their best, we have heaps of improvement to offer which should be the upside.
This year MMs biggest impact on our club has been on developing some players and showing the club how to win ugly, winning ugly has not been one of our strengths in recent years! At the same time I can see MMs mindset changing, he is learning about what we are good at and starting to make use of it!
Dustin Martin was delivering more than enough wanker out on the field for both sides! Was that handcuff signal a call to the loony farms to come and collect a few more Nthmond fans!
Please tell Jeff Garlett to give up showing opponents the ball, when you get there act like you have been there before!
Nick Duigan quoted in today's Age:
‘‘I just had to try competing. I am not the most gifted footballer going around, I am not lightning quick, I don’t have too any great attributes. I just had to keep working and I got some reward which was great.’’
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-match-report/carlton-duo-full-of-surprises-20130908-2tdyt.html#ixzz2eLwCw89y
Pretty honest appraisal. It was great to see his hard work rewarded.
Not sure we have had a sweeter moment in recent years than Garlett intercepting the ball in the last qtr, hurdling the Richmond player and then being in the clear... pretty sure every Carlton supporter was up on their feet as soon as he got the ball, and he still had about 60 m to run. I had to sit down before he kicked it as i was about to pass out.
Not as Lucky as you guys to be there, but I thought we were home but though 1 more would seal it, just to be safe. From the Lounge room, I saw the pressure of the guys clsoe down Richmond players, Jeffy Pick the Pocket, afterburners and go...The Camera panned up, and I just saw clear space and I was off...out the front door, lap around the garden, high fiving my son.... didn't even see him kick it. Not a huge fan of show boatting, but the slight show fo the ball to the Richmond bloke just before he launched it was awesome...
Dustin Martin was delivering more than enough wanker out on the field for both sides! Was that handcuff signal a call to the loony farms to come and collect a few more Nthmond fans!
I like Dusty as a player, but he is a fair dinkum brain dead moron. Fancy bringing out the handcuff salute in a final. What a farking disgrace to his club... it's not about you Dusty, and it certainly isn't about whatever lowlife scumbag you were sending that message out to.
Best in game moment since Brown's tackle. I haven't seen that man people get on their feet since then.
Best in game moment since Brown's tackle. I haven't seen that man people get on their feet since then.
I'm so glad we had that moment as I was really pumped when Hill did the same thing on Saturday (as a neutral). It was just pure icing!
I like Dusty as a player, but he is a fair dinkum brain dead moron. Fancy bringing out the handcuff salute in a final. What a farking disgrace to his club... it's not about you Dusty, and it certainly isn't about whatever lowlife scumbag you were sending that message out to.
I thought the AFL banned that signal a few years back after the Krakour incident!
Not a huge fan of show boatting, but the slight show fo the ball to the Richmond bloke just before he launched it was awesome...
Might it have been attention to detail rather than showboating? Wasting time when you're in front is important, and if the Tigers had given up the chase he could have waited until they realised their mistake. As it was, he could see that they were still coming and sealed the deal. North doesn't have the composure to consolidate the lead late in the game, and that hurt them badly this year.
I wonder what Vickery said to Walker... (can't remember if it was the third or fourth quarter) Whatever it was, i'm sure he felt like an absolute tool after the match! ;D Winning is so sweet!
Best in game moment since Brown's tackle. I haven't seen that man people get on their feet since then.
I'm so glad we had that moment as I was really pumped when Hill did the same thing on Saturday (as a neutral). It was just pure icing!
No it is all bullcrap, all it does is give your next opposition some ammo to use the minute you trip up.
Revenge is a dish best served cold, it is so much harder to swallow cold! All Jeffy did was give the ferals a wanker moment to focus on, instead of eating their own like they usually do! It was the on field equivalent of jacket twirling!
I wonder what Vickery said to Walker... (can't remember if it was the third or fourth quarter) Whatever it was, i'm sure he felt like an absolute tool after the match! ;D Winning is so sweet!
I think they are mates, so I would not read too much into it!
Not sure we have had a sweeter moment in recent years than Garlett intercepting the ball in the last qtr, hurdling the Richmond player and then being in the clear... pretty sure every Carlton supporter was up on their feet as soon as he got the ball, and he still had about 60 m to run. I had to sit down before he kicked it as i was about to pass out.
Not as Lucky as you guys to be there, but I thought we were home but though 1 more would seal it, just to be safe. From the Lounge room, I saw the pressure of the guys clsoe down Richmond players, Jeffy Pick the Pocket, afterburners and go...The Camera panned up, and I just saw clear space and I was off...out the front door, lap around the garden, high fiving my son.... didn't even see him kick it. Not a huge fan of show boatting, but the slight show fo the ball to the Richmond bloke just before he launched it was awesome...
LOL you two. I was working and missed the 2nd half but watched it back late last night. When Jeffy did his hurdle and 100m sprint for the sealer, in my euporia I jumped on the couch (Tom Cruise style) and did a celebration dance that fell somewhere between an Irish jig and a seizure :P At 1am on a Monday morning I'm glad no-one else saw it though the dog looked more than a little bit concerned.
Gee I wish I could see KB's face this morning. I'm in Tassie so I can't even tune in to hear him getting reamed... ah well, bask in the glow all you Vic blueboys!
www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-08/carlton-player-ratings
Worth a read. Interesting to see how differing the opinions are in this one.
Its funny, for giggles, read the richmond version, meanwhile how many opponents did Walker have according to these reviews?
http://theaflsnews.net/tiger-rated-sundays-elimination-final/
What an amzing day - flew down from Sydney and was quietly confident that Richmond might struggle with the pressure and expectation.The atmosphere was amazing, and in the end we were much more composed when it counted.
It's amazing how within 2.5hours a whole season can be totally transformed - like many here I have been really disappointed and frustrated at times during the year about so many aspects. But that's the beauty of being a hard core supporter - the lows only make the highs even better.
We were only a Pt Adelaide poster away from finishing 13th!! ANd here we are revelling in the afterglow of a courageous and memorable win for the ages, sitting only behind the 99 Prelim as our best win for nearly 20 years.
The things that stood out to me were;
- Judd is a true legend. In the big games, when we you need him the most, he delivers. We will tell our grandkids we saw him play
- I pray Bryce works out that he can be an elite player if he plays with the intent and desire he showed yesterday. Best game he played by a mile! Just bring that again next week.
- when Waite and Betts are 'on' we are a handful for any side. They are both such confidence players with both their marking and goal kicking, and I just hope they can put in a repeat performance
- you can just sense that the MM mantra is starting to sink in. Blokes were selfless yesterday, and were prepared to put their body on the line when it mattered [eg Duigan and Hendo]. To then get the win will give them huge confidence and belief that they are on the right path
- the game plan stands up under pressure. The Tigers play a high uncontested possession game, and when the game tightened up and they got tired they were lost.
This week is another huge challenge, but the Swans are down on form and have a lot of injury concerns. Our pace at ANZ might really worry them. Team balance is crucial, as they have the 4 bigs [Pyke, White, Mumford & Tippett] and Rohan. I hope they roll the dice on Goodes as this would likely work in our favour.
A 'home' final this week for me!! Can't wait.......
Yup, Bryce gets a lot of kicks but he was mighty in a huge game with a grand final crowd, mostly hostile. Only overshadowed because of an enormous effort by a guy on one leg with no right to be out there.
So well done Gibbs. When the pressure was on, you stood up.
Can't see how that guy rated Murphy a 9 ahead of Jibbs. I really liked Murph's game early, one of the few that got his hands on the ball but I just thought Bryce worked his but off winning the hard ball.
The teams that one on the weekend had the dominant rucks.
We pantsed Richmond in the ruck.
Are you sure LR?
Warnock had four more hitouts than Maric. Warnock kicked one goal to Maric's two. Maric had 16 disposals, took two marks, had six clearances and laid three tackles. Warnock had six disposals, no marks, no clearances and one tackle.
Kreuzer had 13 more hitouts than Vickery. However, Vickery kicked two goals, took six marks, had 14 disposals and two clearances. Kreuzer had four disposals and one clearance. Kreuzer did stick four tackles, as did Vickery.
Our rucks may have won more hitouts (and far more than usual were directed to our players) but they were ineffectual around the ground.
Bit harsh DJC reckon 206 did alright and was very important in the clearances, which basically saw us kick the comeback goals in the third. One of Maric's goal was from Robbo's brain fade not because he did anything special.
Kreuzer looked injured but still managed to do his job (admittedly limited). Vickery was not influential with his 14 disposals and apart from the two goals hardly call him damaging on the day, actually never seen him damage an opposition - bit like Grigg.
Understand what you're saying about the around the ground stuff, but finals footy sees alot of stoppages and I thought we had the advantage there. Agree with you though that our rucks didn't pants theirs but happy to call it even and maybe the spoils go to the victors ;)
One of Maric's goal was from Robbo's brain fade not because he did anything special.
The other was very late in the game when he (Maric) out sprinted an exhausted Hendo.....
I thought 206 was very good. Good second efforts too.
Cut and paste this from Phil over at Punt Road End. Pure Gold!!!! ---
Tossed and turned all night. The game playing in my head. What if, what if. How could we let it happen again? When is this *smile*ing nightmare going to end?
Ridiculous really given there is nothing I can do about it now, nothing I could do about it then. I didn't play yesterday. I didn't fumble in the backline, miss any easy goals, let Bryce Gibbs run around unchecked. Why should I feel embarrassed or ashamed to face my Carlton supporting "mates"? What could I have done? They have got my money, thousands of dollars of it over the years, what more can I do?
I am actually glad the season is over now. No more worrying every week about the upcoming game, about whether X beating Y will be good or bad for us. No more expending emotional energy on something that provides a limited return on my emotional investment. Its actually a relief in some ways. Control the controllables rather than worrying about something I have no control over, rather than placing my happiness in the hands of a bunch of footballers who couldn't give a rats about the way I feel every week.
Im looking forward to a football free six months...expend time and energy on things that give me enjoyment rather than the frustration that following this football club gives.
I think Phil might be done.
Who had Martin in the 2nd half - superb job?
Cut and paste this from Phil over at Punt Road End. Pure Gold!!!! ---
Tossed and turned all night. The game playing in my head. What if, what if. How could we let it happen again? When is this *smile*ing nightmare going to end?
Ridiculous really given there is nothing I can do about it now, nothing I could do about it then. I didn't play yesterday. I didn't fumble in the backline, miss any easy goals, let Bryce Gibbs run around unchecked. Why should I feel embarrassed or ashamed to face my Carlton supporting "mates"? What could I have done? They have got my money, thousands of dollars of it over the years, what more can I do?
I am actually glad the season is over now. No more worrying every week about the upcoming game, about whether X beating Y will be good or bad for us. No more expending emotional energy on something that provides a limited return on my emotional investment. Its actually a relief in some ways. Control the controllables rather than worrying about something I have no control over, rather than placing my happiness in the hands of a bunch of footballers who couldn't give a rats about the way I feel every week.
Im looking forward to a football free six months...expend time and energy on things that give me enjoyment rather than the frustration that following this football club gives.
I think Phil might be done.
If I was one of them I might be giving the bloke a call to make sure he is okay. His next stop sounds like it might be an institution, and to be fair to him, Richmond would have done it to them.
That's their own version of Professer E. If you're reading Prof, come the hell back mate. You jumped ship just a smidge too early!
Who had Martin in the 2nd half - superb job?
Saw him running with Gibbs at the start of the 3rd, but not sure if he stayed all 2nd half.
One of the more interesting moments in the game was the half time walk off. Robertson REALLY gave Bell a serve, something he richly deserved. Bell didn't like it and rather than accepting the criticism, stupidly responded.
I suspect more was said in the rooms, but Tom needs to shut up, work on his weaknesses and play with far more awareness of what's around him rather than assuming he has the time on his side when looking for downfield options.
Good way to improve a young player is to berate them at half time coming off the field...not.
Robbo needs to get his own house in order and learn the rules...
The teams that one on the weekend had the dominant rucks.
We pantsed Richmond in the ruck.
Are you sure LR?
Warnock had four more hitouts than Maric. Warnock kicked one goal to Maric's two. Maric had 16 disposals, took two marks, had six clearances and laid three tackles. Warnock had six disposals, no marks, no clearances and one tackle.
Kreuzer had 13 more hitouts than Vickery. However, Vickery kicked two goals, took six marks, had 14 disposals and two clearances. Kreuzer had four disposals and one clearance. Kreuzer did stick four tackles, as did Vickery.
Our rucks may have won more hitouts (and far more than usual were directed to our players) but they were ineffectual around the ground.
Bit harsh DJC reckon 206 did alright and was very important in the clearances, which basically saw us kick the comeback goals in the third. One of Maric's goal was from Robbo's brain fade not because he did anything special.
Kreuzer looked injured but still managed to do his job (admittedly limited). Vickery was not influential with his 14 disposals and apart from the two goals hardly call him damaging on the day, actually never seen him damage an opposition - bit like Grigg.
Understand what you're saying about the around the ground stuff, but finals footy sees alot of stoppages and I thought we had the advantage there. Agree with you though that our rucks didn't pants theirs but happy to call it even and maybe the spoils go to the victors ;)
Just remembered that one of Vickery's tap out was against Tuck :)) :)), cleared by Gibbs :))
That was very funny moment looking back at it now.
Who had Martin in the 2nd half - superb job?
Saw him running with Gibbs at the start of the 3rd, but not sure if he stayed all 2nd half.
I sat on effin level one last row, like watching the game through a letter box slit FFS. Couldnt follow anything strategy wise. Just drank alot, cheered alot and savoured every moment.
Bit harsh DJC reckon 206 did alright and was very important in the clearances, which basically saw us kick the comeback goals in the third. One of Maric's goal was from Robbo's brain fade not because he did anything special.
Kreuzer looked injured but still managed to do his job (admittedly limited). Vickery was not influential with his 14 disposals and apart from the two goals hardly call him damaging on the day, actually never seen him damage an opposition - bit like Grigg.
Understand what you're saying about the around the ground stuff, but finals footy sees alot of stoppages and I thought we had the advantage there. Agree with you though that our rucks didn't pants theirs but happy to call it even and maybe the spoils go to the victors ;)
That's a fair assessment Goat. Our blokes' hitouts created plenty of opportunities for our midfielders and I guess that was a key factor in the outcome. However, they both need to do more around the ground; a few contested marks, or even uncontested marks, would be nice. Of course, Mumford and Pyke don't normally rack up possessions.
One of the more interesting moments in the game was the half time walk off. Robertson REALLY gave Bell a serve, something he richly deserved. Bell didn't like it and rather than accepting the criticism, stupidly responded.
I suspect more was said in the rooms, but Tom needs to shut up, work on his weaknesses and play with far more awareness of what's around him rather than assuming he has the time on his side when looking for downfield options.
Good way to improve a young player is to berate them at half time coming off the field...not.
Robbo needs to get his own house in order and learn the rules...
I didn't see that at the ground but just watched it on the replay. Judd had a few quiet words with Bell, then Robbo had a chat with him. I'm no lip reader but the body language suggested that Bell was asking for advice rather than responding to a bake. I'm sure Judd would have pulled Robbo up if he was berating Bell.
Who had Martin in the 2nd half - superb job?
Saw him running with Gibbs at the start of the 3rd, but not sure if he stayed all 2nd half.
I sat on effin level one last row, like watching the game through a letter box slit FFS. Couldnt follow anything strategy wise. Just drank alot, cheered alot and savoured every moment.
I had the same for the Elim Final 2011. My missus initally had level 2 and had the brilliant idea to email me first and find out if the tickets were good enough. I told her to get the fk back on and book them and don't double check again. So she times out and the seats she got were back row level 1. Worst place to watch the footy, zero atmosphere, awful view.
That's a fair assessment Goat. Our blokes' hitouts created plenty of opportunities for our midfielders and I guess that was a key factor in the outcome. However, they both need to do more around the ground; a few contested marks, or even uncontested marks, would be nice. Of course, Mumford and Pyke don't normally rack up possessions.
Our blokes were world beaters compared to Mumford. I believe he amassed a total of 3 handballs before he was subbed out in the 3rd quarter. Pyke had an impact around the ground and took some strong grabs... didn't notice his tap work tho.
Who had Martin in the 2nd half - superb job?
Saw him running with Gibbs at the start of the 3rd, but not sure if he stayed all 2nd half.
I sat on effin level one last row, like watching the game through a letter box slit FFS. Couldnt follow anything strategy wise. Just drank alot, cheered alot and savoured every moment.
I had the same for the Elim Final 2011. My missus initally had level 2 and had the brilliant idea to email me first and find out if the tickets were good enough. I told her to get the fk back on and book them and don't double check again. So she times out and the seats she got were back row level 1. Worst place to watch the footy, zero atmosphere, awful view.
Has she let you forget it yet? :D
The day after the negatives come.
McInnes - WTF Simon White the second! Brain fade central, simply can't play against the Swans. The signs were there vs the scum.
Kreuzer - Ruckwork was OK but other than that a witches hat. Watching him try to chase at the ground you could see he was clearly hampered by a leg injury. His man ran off him quite often when he played in the forward line.
Yarran - Timid, bereft of confidence, very disappointing.
Andrew Walker - OK last quarter but gave away some soft frees and 50m Just don't like him at all on the last line of defence. I was calling for him to be traded in the first half! I say move him forward for sure.
Plays half back,not "last line of defence",or were you to pissed to watch the game,think before you post.
Now, it is an accepted strategy by the opposition to drag him deep(for your own edification AW is third in the AFL for rebound/inside 50's), is AW expected to leave an opponent alone on the last line to appease you,pfft?
And further,you can call all you like for players to be traded,or played forward,but mercifully you and your ilk have no say in the matter.
Plays half back,not "last line of defence",or were you to pissed to watch the game,think before you post.
Now, it is an accepted strategy by the opposition to drag him deep(for your own edification AW is third in the AFL for rebound/inside 50's), is AW expected to leave an opponent alone on the last line to appease you,pfft?
And further,you can call all you like for players to be traded,or played forward,but mercifully you and your ilk have no say in the matter.
A: I don't drink.
B: I know he plays half back and the opposition exploit his weakness by dragging him deep.
C: I understand it's not his choice where the coach plays him, my point was meant for the coach obviously. To suggest I want him to leave his man alone inside 50 makes wonder whether you yourself are on the pi55.
D: My call was made in the heat of the moment, obviously I didn't mean it.
E: If you can't handle comments about your son perhaps you're better off not clicking on the forum. Or maybe we should just refrain from making negative comments about Andrew for fear of incurring the wrath of the self proclaimed DOA?
Regardless, he is very very poor defensively and he was undisciplined more than once on the weekend which almost cost us dearly. For a senior player that simply isn't good enough. And yes, I did think before I posted that.
Cheers. ;)
Who had Martin in the 2nd half - superb job?
Saw him running with Gibbs at the start of the 3rd, but not sure if he stayed all 2nd half.
I sat on effin level one last row, like watching the game through a letter box slit FFS. Couldnt follow anything strategy wise. Just drank alot, cheered alot and savoured every moment.
I had the same for the Elim Final 2011. My missus initally had level 2 and had the brilliant idea to email me first and find out if the tickets were good enough. I told her to get the fk back on and book them and don't double check again. So she times out and the seats she got were back row level 1. Worst place to watch the footy, zero atmosphere, awful view.
Has she let you forget it yet? :D
Dn't you mean me? She was one up on me anyway after physically restraining me from leaving the 99' Prelim 5 mins into the last quarter. Actually she's probably 100 up on me after that! :P
I'd prefer to have DOA around than not. He rarely provides us with too much insight, but the times that he does its worth its weight in gold.
I like Andrew, and love it when he is up and about and is playing well, but the game against Richmond yesterday was not one of his best.
Its fair enough for his dad to get defensive, but Walker has had a very good season, and DOA should be proud of him. Hopefully he is able to tighten up his defensive play a bit, as I dont see why he should get worse when playing closer to the goal square, but thats another story. I think our backline as a whole failed to keep the match ups to our advantage by allowing Jamo to run up the ground with Riewoldt. When he goes, we should be switching opponents accordingly, so Jamo is left on Edwards (win for us) and Walker up the ground with Riewoldt can only help us especially if Walker is able to get to the ball first.
Who had Martin in the 2nd half - superb job?
Saw him running with Gibbs at the start of the 3rd, but not sure if he stayed all 2nd half.
I sat on effin level one last row, like watching the game through a letter box slit FFS. Couldnt follow anything strategy wise. Just drank alot, cheered alot and savoured every moment.
I had the same for the Elim Final 2011. My missus initally had level 2 and had the brilliant idea to email me first and find out if the tickets were good enough. I told her to get the fk back on and book them and don't double check again. So she times out and the seats she got were back row level 1. Worst place to watch the footy, zero atmosphere, awful view.
Has she let you forget it yet? :D
Dn't you mean me? She was one up on me anyway after physically restraining me from leaving the 99' Prelim 5 mins into the last quarter. Actually she's probably 100 up on me after that! :P
Ah. I mis read the post.
I thought you meant you told her to go back and get better tickets.
I reckon anywhere in Melb would have been superb yesterday.
Should also be noted that the 50m penalty and Edwards "hand-holding" free 1AW was pinged for were both ridiculous. If they're deemed legit and in the spirit of the game then there would be 200 free kicks every game.
Well this didnt take long. I never get tired of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy_w72DuOmc&sns=em
Loved it!!
The final series are going to be all about the big men, sandilands kreuzer warnock etc, the team with the dominating rucks will go along way.
Loved the advice judd seemed to give bell, shows their working as a team
Cant help but thinking the frees & 50m penalties were somewhat in our gameplan to give them easy goal to stop the momentum and reduce the crowd involvement when a goal was imminent ...... Maybe im a conspiracy theorist
Well this didnt take long. I never get tired of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy_w72DuOmc&sns=em
LOL Brilliant! Loved it! :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but one thing that I am unsure how to feel about is Mitch Robinsons reaction after rushing that point through: he said on TV afterward that "I was thinking 'Oh no Im gonna get traded now, my careers over.'" - clearly this has come from MM - who himself said that Robinson is a 'coach tester.'
Robinsons reaction is good in that clearly MM demands perfection, but bad if players are so concerned about their futures after one mistake.
I'd prefer to have DOA around than not. He rarely provides us with too much insight, but the times that he does its worth its weight in gold.
I like Andrew, and love it when he is up and about and is playing well, but the game against Richmond yesterday was not one of his best.
Its fair enough for his dad to get defensive, but Walker has had a very good season, and DOA should be proud of him. Hopefully he is able to tighten up his defensive play a bit, as I dont see why he should get worse when playing closer to the goal square, but thats another story. I think our backline as a whole failed to keep the match ups to our advantage by allowing Jamo to run up the ground with Riewoldt. When he goes, we should be switching opponents accordingly, so Jamo is left on Edwards (win for us) and Walker up the ground with Riewoldt can only help us especially if Walker is able to get to the ball first.
I tend to agree Thry. However, I have a feeling that Malthouse knows full well that Walker, Simpson, Yarran, Tuohy, Armfield, Gibbs, etc are not dour defenders and will give away goals. I think it is more a calculated risk that the run they provide out of the backline will provide more scoring opportunities for us and will tempt the opposition to use more defensive forwards.
I also think that Edwards was a particularly difficult match-up for Tuohy, McInnes and Walker, and Simon White would have been better suited to matching his strength and marking.
The last two weeks have told me more about this Club than the previous twenty two weeks did. I think we gained alot of respect yesterday. Heck I had an arrogant prick Dawks supporter (who rubbishes us big time at every possible opportunity and never rated us one iota) say things like "great game", "Juddy's a freak", "Gibbs played one hell of a game" etc etc. He then went onto to suggest we are a chance to go all the way, the scary bit was that he genuinely wasnt taking the piss, he was deadly serious.
The last two weeks have told me more about this Club than the previous twenty two weeks did. I think we gained alot of respect yesterday. Heck I had an arrogant prick Dawks supporter (who rubbishes us big time at every possible opportunity and never rated us one iota) say things like "great game", "Juddy's a freak", "Gibbs played one hell of a game" etc etc. He then went onto to suggest we are a chance to go all the way, the scary bit was that he genuinely wasnt taking the piss, he was deadly serious.
Nah. Don't get sucked in I do the same to my BIL every time we play Tigers ;D
Well this didnt take long. I never get tired of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy_w72DuOmc&sns=em
Nor do I ! Thanks for that G2C, just brilliant. I have tears in my eyes. Let's hope there's another one next week for the Swannies :))
Just want to pay tribute to 2 players who weren't world beaters yesterday but whose attitude, I'm sure, played a HUGE part in the win.
1. K. Simpson
2. M. Kreuzer
I have lambasted both (privately and publicly) this year - especially Simmo during the early part of this season, but his desperation and sheer g&d leading up to the finals must have SURELY been shoved under the noses of the rest of the team.
Plus, something tells me the message to Warnock has been that he needs to take a leaf out of Krooz's playbook - throw his weight around, go in hard after the ruck contest and win the ball himself if it's there for the taking.
For me, a couple of examples of how sheer spirit and attitude can be infectious.
Well this didnt take long. I never get tired of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy_w72DuOmc&sns=em
one of the better ones
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but one thing that I am unsure how to feel about is Mitch Robinsons reaction after rushing that point through: he said on TV afterward that "I was thinking 'Oh no Im gonna get traded now, my careers over.'" - clearly this has come from MM - who himself said that Robinson is a 'coach tester.'
Robinsons reaction is good in that clearly MM demands perfection, but bad if players are so concerned about their futures after one mistake.
Totally with you on this point. I cringed after watching MM's presser last night ( I've thus far been an advocate of MM's appointment). His comment (and accompanying facial expression) regarding MR took me by surprise. Felt it was aimed more at his personality than his football.
If Mitch can't can't cop what MM said in his presser he should give up AFL football and take up macramé! And I'm sure he'd be the first to agree.
Well this didnt take long. I never get tired of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy_w72DuOmc&sns=em
"It's ok if we finish 9th next year we won't have to play finals"
:)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Well this didnt take long. I never get tired of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy_w72DuOmc&sns=em
"It's ok if we finish 9th next year we won't have to play finals"
:)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Brilliant. Loved it.
sensational!
Carrots, I continue to lurk but I have resisted posting as I am determined to take a real step back from things until I can keep things on a more even keel.
I didn't feel able to deal with Sunday, and the umpiring in the second quarter would have pushed me over the edge, so I am glad I resisted. How Rance wasn't pinged still riles me. I also have the feeling like Brettie that I am a bit of a Jonah... in that if I attend we play like crap.
Balme commited a low on field act so consequently I don't have much love for the Richmond FC but I have time for their supporters, who are pretty harmless overall... I will admit that I admire their passion given that their last 30 years have been tragic yet they continue to rock up and put out for their club who have given basically nothing since 1980.
I was heartened to see that after such a tumultuous season the game had a great first week, capped off by 95 000 attending a game between traditional rivals. Footy finally put on a show to push the other rubbish into the background. Unfortunately there had to be a loser on Sunday and most fortunately it wasn't us.
It was also most pleasing to see some maligned players turn things around and others reap the reward of sheer hard work (As an aside I reckon Duig's is the idea sub, being able to play forward, back and midfield and he is the ideal shock trooper. He offers flexibility and may look scruffy at times but you can't knock the effort).
Would love to see McInnes regain some confidence as well as I feel he could be a very, very good player for us long term and we need that third, cool tall.
So it's off to Sydney with no expectations, just want to see an honest effort. Trust you are all well and enjoying having to saddle up for another week... I guess supporters of a few other clubs are looking at dusting off the mower and cleaning the paint brushes next weekend...
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If Mitch can't can't cop what MM said in his presser he should give up AFL football and take up macramé! And I'm sure he'd be the first to agree.
You're missing the point.
Mitch didnt say it after MM's presser, he thought/felt it before. It was his immediate reaction upon stuffing up
If Mitch can't can't cop what MM said in his presser he should give up AFL football and take up macramé! And I'm sure he'd be the first to agree.
You're missing the point.
Mitch didnt say it after MM's presser, he thought/felt it before. It was his immediate reaction upon stuffing up
Tex, sorry I've not made myself clear. I was replying to Denimundies post about what MM had said about Mitch at his presser, not talking about Mitch's statement. Don't have a real problem with his stuff up or his statement about it really - honest mistake IMO. In fact I didn't know that rule and I spent 5 mins abusing umpire Simon Overland for giving that free kick before my mate and I realised it was indeed a fair call.
If Mitch can't can't cop what MM said in his presser he should give up AFL football and take up macramé! And I'm sure he'd be the first to agree.
You're missing the point.
Mitch didnt say it after MM's presser, he thought/felt it before. It was his immediate reaction upon stuffing up
Tex, sorry I've not made myself clear. I was replying to Denimundies post about what MM had said about Mitch at his presser, not talking about Mitch's statement. Don't have a real problem with his stuff up or his statement about it really - honest mistake IMO. In fact I didn't know that rule and I spent 5 mins abusing umpire Simon Overland for giving that free kick before my mate and I realised it was indeed a fair call.
No worries cookie. Simon Overland gone from top cop to umpiring?!
Just watched the second half again - had so many implant players chip in. Think Curnow's impact was immense around stoppages - cleared the way for Judd and Gibbs.
@Tex
Yes he looks just like Overland to me, complete with the huge cranium - thought was him for a a mad second when I first saw him! :))
I wouldn't read too much into Robbo's comments Tex. He probably thought that being traded or delisted was the worst thing that could happen to him; not an unreasonable scenario regardless of anything the coach may have said before or after the event.
If Mitch can't can't cop what MM said in his presser he should give up AFL football and take up macramé! And I'm sure he'd be the first to agree.
You're missing the point.
Mitch didnt say it after MM's presser, he thought/felt it before. It was his immediate reaction upon stuffing up
Tex, sorry I've not made myself clear. I was replying to Denimundies post about what MM had said about Mitch at his presser, not talking about Mitch's statement. Don't have a real problem with his stuff up or his statement about it really - honest mistake IMO. In fact I didn't know that rule and I spent 5 mins abusing umpire Simon Overland for giving that free kick before my mate and I realised it was indeed a fair call.
I think you were missing my point though Cookie, which was an extension of Tex's point before me ;)
Point was that the message from MM at his presser appears to validate that a sense of personal frustration exists toward MR. MR is clearly sensing the same hence his instinctive reaction, immediately after his on-field mistake, fearing he would be traded.
What comments by MR are we talking about?
@DU
OK, yes I think MM would be frustrated with Mitch at times, as we all can be and I would think they have probably discussed it between the two of them. I think MM's remarks at the presser would not have come as a great surprise to Mitch and he didn't say anything new about him - my point is that Mitch is a big enough boy to cope with that, which I'm sure he does.
@DU
OK, yes I think MM would be frustrated with Mitch at times, as we all can be and I would think they have probably discussed it between the two of them. I think MM's remarks at the presser would not have come as a great surprise to Mitch and he didn't say anything new about him - my point is that Mitch is a big enough boy to cope with that, which I'm sure he does.
Agree,
I suspect he will be traded though
@DU
OK, yes I think MM would be frustrated with Mitch at times, as we all can be and I would think they have probably discussed it between the two of them. I think MM's remarks at the presser would not have come as a great surprise to Mitch and he didn't say anything new about him - my point is that Mitch is a big enough boy to cope with that, which I'm sure he does.
Agree,
I suspect he will be traded though
I flip-flop wildly on this question as he can go from boiled lollies to chocolates and back again in the blink of an eye! I suspect if there's a deal to be done and a player is needed from us to complete it then you may be right. I've got very mixed feelings about it.
@DU
OK, yes I think MM would be frustrated with Mitch at times, as we all can be and I would think they have probably discussed it between the two of them. I think MM's remarks at the presser would not have come as a great surprise to Mitch and he didn't say anything new about him - my point is that Mitch is a big enough boy to cope with that, which I'm sure he does.
Agree,
I suspect he will be traded though
I flip-flop wildly on this question as he can go from boiled lollies to chocolates and back again in the blink of an eye! I suspect if there's a deal to be done and a player is needed from us to complete it then you may be right. I've got very mixed feelings about it.
I think he's been good since he's come back into the team. I hope my guess is wrong
I reckon Mitch is safe as houses simply because he is trying his backside off to do the right thing despite his brain fades. If he get's it right he will become a MM protégé and all will be well in the world.
I reckon Mitch is safe as houses simply because he is trying his backside off to do the right thing despite his brain fades. If he get's it right he will become a MM protégé and all will be well in the world.
Good point JK..there's no doubt he tries hard. On a positive note, his comment implies he desperately wants to remain at the club.
@DU
OK, yes I think MM would be frustrated with Mitch at times, as we all can be and I would think they have probably discussed it between the two of them. I think MM's remarks at the presser would not have come as a great surprise to Mitch and he didn't say anything new about him - my point is that Mitch is a big enough boy to cope with that, which I'm sure he does.
Agree,
I suspect he will be traded though
Why?
Is there someone better able to perform the role that Robbo does? Is any other team interested enough in Robbo to countenance trading for him? If so, do they have a player we want?
I suspect that the answer to all three questions is no.
Interestingly, the only other player I can think of who gave away a goal in similar circumstances was Adam Goodes. I wonder if he thought that he would be traded
Sen-Buddy-sational win !!!!!!!!!! Woohoo
And I reckon were half a chance against the fluffy ducks too so it's not over yet !!!!!
Go Blues !!!!
Have just started to realize how traumatic yesterdays loss is to Richmond supporters. I copied and pasted the link of that Hitler/Richmond beatup and sent to my BIL. Only to receive a message from my sister asking me to show some compassion, apparently he's been copping it all day, hasn't spoken a word since yesterday. Nephews have apparently also copped it at school today. Time to show some mercy I think,
@DU
OK, yes I think MM would be frustrated with Mitch at times, as we all can be and I would think they have probably discussed it between the two of them. I think MM's remarks at the presser would not have come as a great surprise to Mitch and he didn't say anything new about him - my point is that Mitch is a big enough boy to cope with that, which I'm sure he does.
Agree,
I suspect he will be traded though
Why?
Is there someone better able to perform the role that Robbo does? Is any other team interested enough in Robbo to countenance trading for him? If so, do they have a player we want?
I suspect that the answer to all three questions is no.
Interestingly, the only other player I can think of who gave away a goal in similar circumstances was Adam Goodes. I wonder if he thought that he would be traded
DJ
I cant answer your questions with any sort of conviction because I wasn't advocating that he should be traded.
Richmond supporters were very good giving it out after round one.... Ps they were very average to my 8 year old son on the way out that day not much sympathy here. Ps they might tell kb to Paul it in and they would have less ammo aimed at them.
Yeah fk the Tigers supporters, I hopped on a tram from Hawthorn and it was full of them, all making smart a55 comments about Carlton and this old fogie telling the story about Laurie Fowler decking Big Nic to anyone that would listen. They weren't showing too much compassion when they were scoring goals from soft 50m penalties. Fk 'em, cop it sweet, I remember we lost our first final in years up in Brisbane after giving away a 5 goal lead. Tough titties.
Watched the replay again (is 4 times too many?) 8). Can anyone explain the following examples of blatant biased umpiring?
* Waite gets Rance dead to rights - textbook dropping/holding the ball = no free (umpires explanation was that Rance had "attempted" to kick it. Awesome, next time we kick a point will he pay it a goal because we "attempted" to kick one??)
*Seconds later, Waite gets Tuck in a tackle who drops the ball = no free
* Waite walking to his mark to kick for goal, Riewoldt bumps into him = no 50 (even Dimma thought it was 50 coz the replay shows him slap his hands in disgust).
* Murphy gets free kick in the middle, Tiges player looks at the ump and then passes the ball to his teammate 5 metres away instead of straight back to Murphy. Even the commentators call it a 50m penalty = no 50.
* 4th qtr, Murphy lays an awesome tackle on Big Ivan (thought some said Murphy can't and won't tackle??). Stops him dead, traps the arms, spins him around almost full circle and Ivan eventually just drops the ball. Yet another text-book dropping/holding the ball = no free kick
Seriously, the non-calls were just as bad as the ticky-touchwood ones they paid the other way.
* 4th qtr, Murphy lays an awesome tackle on Big Ivan (thought some said Murphy can't and won't tackle??).
Sort of makes you wonder WTF he's been doing all year.
Have just started to realize how traumatic yesterdays loss is to Richmond supporters. I copied and pasted the link of that Hitler/Richmond beatup and sent to my BIL. Only to receive a message from my sister asking me to show some compassion, apparently he's been copping it all day, hasn't spoken a word since yesterday. Nephews have apparently also copped it at school today. Time to show some mercy I think,
Tell him to harden up... they all got ahead of themselves last week, KB carried on like a pork chop, they put an ad on tv, and wtf was going on with those Richmond drummers on the ground pre game?
Never anger the footy gods, they will strike you down. They were in a particularly vengeful mood on the weekend.
Zed, it all comes down to whether the player with the ball had a prior opportunity. If not, then no free kick is paid if he makes a genuine attempt to dispose of it legally.
With the Waite/Rance one, the umpire's comment that he made an attempt means the umpire thought Rance had no prior opportunity. Umpires can't be expected to deliver full reasons in the manner of judges. They use key words.
That said, I reckon the umpire got that one wrong. Rance tried to break the tackle when he was held by the wrist and took a couple of steps instead of immediately kicking. But it was debatable.
Zed, it all comes down to whether the player with the ball had a prior opportunity. If not, then no free kick is paid if he makes a genuine attempt to dispose of it legally.
With the Waite/Rance one, the umpire's comment that he made an attempt means the umpire thought Rance had no prior opportunity. Umpires can't be expected to deliver full reasons in the manner of judges. They use key words.
That said, I reckon the umpire got that one wrong. Rance tried to break the tackle when he was held by the wrist and took a couple of steps instead of immediately kicking. But it was debatable.
I understand what you're saying Mav. I believe I have a fair understanding of the rule and the interpretation. All three HTB calls I mentioned had prior opportunity & failed to dispose of it.
As you say, Rance had ample time to dispose of it correctly but dropped it. Gone!
Tuck had taken at least 4-5 running paces and was looking to the middle of the ground when he was run down by Waite and dropped it. Gone!
Crazy-eye Maric actually tried to fend off Murphy and was then wrapped up and eventually dropped it. Gone!
Consistency is all I want. Yeah I know... "tell him he's dreaming" O:-)
Time to show some mercy I think,
Until the likes of KB, his lap dog Darcy, and BT start to pull their head in they are in for it I am afraid.
Tough gig, but when you pump up your tyres too much you are bound to get a blow out now and then!
I'm surprised that umpires aren't harsher on fend offs. If you choose to commit an arm to fending off rather than trying to keep it free to handball or handballing immediately, I reckon you've had your prior opp. If you don't get the ball to foot, then the whistle should blow. The obvious risk to attempting the fend off is that your arm will be held and handballling will become impossible.
@Zed
I have to say that we picked up a distinct Tiger bias in at least the first half - I think at one stage they'd had twice as many frees as we'd had (13 to 6 I believe). We were half joking that the AFL didn't really want us in the finals but had no choice, and so were giving us the early exit! ;)
I know there were several occasions when it looked like we'd caught the Tiger player red hot holding the ball yet no free was given, especially near our goal.
I'm surprised that umpires aren't harsher on fend offs. If you choose to commit an arm to fending off rather than trying to keep it free to handball or handball immediately, I reckon you've had your prior opp. If you don't get the ball to foot, then the whistle should blow. The obvious risk to attempting the fend off is that your arm still be held and handballling will become impossible.
They are just poor decisions not rewarding the tackler, did they pay any incorrect disposals at all at the weekend.
The Waite one was just ridiculous, the umpires voice can be heard stating something like,
"He tried to kick it!"
Since when does a failed attempt constitute a legitimate disposal?
There are some rumors floating around that this change in "Emphasis" is a direct result of Freo's and Sydney's game plans! They are not going to punish the bloke getting the ball if opposition clubs stand off and let their opponents take it first!
@Zed
I have to say that we picked up a distinct Tiger bias in at least the first half - I think at one stage they'd had twice as many frees as we'd had (13 to 6 I believe). We were half joking that the AFL didn't really want us in the finals but had no choice, and so were giving us the early exit! ;)
I know there were several occasions when it looked like we'd caught the Tiger player red hot holding the ball yet no free was given, especially near our goal.
Just heard Vlad say that the results on the weekend will cost the AFL seven figure hit to the budget. So they definitely were hoping for Pies & Tigers getting through :-\
LP, see previous discussion regarding the umpire's comment meaning that he thought, rightly or wrongly, that Rance had no prior opportunity.
@Zed
I have to say that we picked up a distinct Tiger bias in at least the first half - I think at one stage they'd had twice as many frees as we'd had (13 to 6 I believe). We were half joking that the AFL didn't really want us in the finals but had no choice, and so were giving us the early exit! ;)
I know there were several occasions when it looked like we'd caught the Tiger player red hot holding the ball yet no free was given, especially near our goal.
Just heard Vlad say that the results on the weekend will cost the AFL seven figure hit to the budget. So they definitely were hoping for Pies & Tigers getting through :-\
AHA!
@Zed
I have to say that we picked up a distinct Tiger bias in at least the first half - I think at one stage they'd had twice as many frees as we'd had (13 to 6 I believe). We were half joking that the AFL didn't really want us in the finals but had no choice, and so were giving us the early exit! ;)
I know there were several occasions when it looked like we'd caught the Tiger player red hot holding the ball yet no free was given, especially near our goal.
The problem Was Simpson got done cold and it was paid (i think Newman). No problem with the decision, but to not pay Waite at the other end was bewildering.
The Waite one was just ridiculous, the umpires voice can be heard stating something like,
"He tried to kick it!"
Since when does a failed attempt constitute a legitimate disposal?
Yep that was a shocker, the ump was trying to make excuses for Rance!
Zed, it all comes down to whether the player with the ball had a prior opportunity. If not, then no free kick is paid if he makes a genuine attempt to dispose of it legally.
With the Waite/Rance one, the umpire's comment that he made an attempt means the umpire thought Rance had no prior opportunity. Umpires can't be expected to deliver full reasons in the manner of judges. They use key words.
That said, I reckon the umpire got that one wrong. Rance tried to break the tackle when he was held by the wrist and took a couple of steps instead of immediately kicking. But it was debatable.
They got that one wrong I reckon......but we did get the evener up when Walks was pinged for holding the ball up near the goals & then the umps called play on, we tackled, took possession, took it down the wing & eventually Judd slotted a goal after a great Waite handball. That was sweet. I bet the Tiges supporters were still screaming about the play on call when the ball went over the goal umpire !!!
Zed, it all comes down to whether the player with the ball had a prior opportunity. If not, then no free kick is paid if he makes a genuine attempt to dispose of it legally.
With the Waite/Rance one, the umpire's comment that he made an attempt means the umpire thought Rance had no prior opportunity. Umpires can't be expected to deliver full reasons in the manner of judges. They use key words.
That said, I reckon the umpire got that one wrong. Rance tried to break the tackle when he was held by the wrist and took a couple of steps instead of immediately kicking. But it was debatable.
They got that one wrong I reckon......but we did get the evener up when Walks was pinged for holding the ball up near the goals & then the umps called play on, we tackled, took possession, took it down the wing & eventually Judd slotted a goal after a great Waite handball. That was sweet. I bet the Tiges supporters were still screaming about the play on call when the ball went over the goal umpire !!!
That was the most excited I have seen Juddy get after scorinmg a goal. Sweet to watch.
I bet the Tiges supporters were still screaming about the play on call when the ball went over the goal umpire !!!
The play on call was fine, you see that happen regularly and at finals pace the umpire has only a split second to decide. The player took the ball and ran forward of the mark within 20m of goal, what choice does the umpire have?
But I have not seen a decision like the Waite / Rance decision for the whole season. Rance took control of the ball, ran a couple of steps, had his arm grabbed by Waite as he either went to handball or fend off. Did almost a full 360 with Waite securing his arm, threw the ball away and did not get a foot on it! All of this in clear view of two senior experienced AFL umpires, no pack surrounding them, no player traffic hiding the event.
That Rance decision cannot be an accident and I do not blame the umpires, it must be a deliberate emphasis on favoring the ball carrier. I have no problem with this, as long as everyone knows that is the situation before play starts.
I have a real problem with rules seemingly varying widely on a game by game basis without any prior warning or announcement.
I have a real problem with rules seemingly varying widely on a game by game basis without any prior warning or announcement.
The whole holding the ball 'rule'/saga (and its varied & shady interpretations) has brought the game (furtheri) into disrepute.
* 4th qtr, Murphy lays an awesome tackle on Big Ivan (thought some said Murphy can't and won't tackle??).
Sort of makes you wonder WTF he's been doing all year.
Examples have been shown where a clear drop off occurred in his performance and he has been steadily building his game back over the past six or so weeks. As the season has gone on one of two things can occur. You get worse, or you get better. Murphy is getting better. Perhaps had he been going in all guns blazing all season trying to do what his body would not let him, he would be broken and unable to give us anything now.
Which would you prefer?
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/M/Marc_Murphy.html
He has clearly hit form since about 5 weeks ago, and although its down on his best footy, its some of the best footy he has been able to give us all season. Sunday was his best game he has played since the game against Melbourne, and he looked proppy a week later against the Saints.
I dont believe in coincidences, but it indicates that he carried an issue from that game onwards.
* 4th qtr, Murphy lays an awesome tackle on Big Ivan (thought some said Murphy can't and won't tackle??).
Sort of makes you wonder WTF he's been doing all year.
Examples have been shown where a clear drop off occurred in his performance and he has been steadily building his game back over the past six or so weeks. As the season has gone on one of two things can occur. You get worse, or you get better. Murphy is getting better. Perhaps had he been going in all guns blazing all season trying to do what his body would not let him, he would be broken and unable to give us anything now.
Which would you prefer?
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/M/Marc_Murphy.html
He has clearly hit form since about 5 weeks ago, and although its down on his best footy, its some of the best footy he has been able to give us all season. Sunday was his best game he has played since the game against Melbourne, and he looked proppy a week later against the Saints.
I dont believe in coincidences, but it indicates that he carried an issue from that game onwards.
Good stats there Thry. By memory he had an interrupted (or late start to) pre season and then had the broken cheek. Do these stats line up with the return from the break (cheek)?
* 4th qtr, Murphy lays an awesome tackle on Big Ivan (thought some said Murphy can't and won't tackle??).
Sort of makes you wonder WTF he's been doing all year.
Examples have been shown where a clear drop off occurred in his performance and he has been steadily building his game back over the past six or so weeks. As the season has gone on one of two things can occur. You get worse, or you get better. Murphy is getting better. Perhaps had he been going in all guns blazing all season trying to do what his body would not let him, he would be broken and unable to give us anything now.
Which would you prefer?
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/M/Marc_Murphy.html
He has clearly hit form since about 5 weeks ago, and although its down on his best footy, its some of the best footy he has been able to give us all season. Sunday was his best game he has played since the game against Melbourne, and he looked proppy a week later against the Saints.
I dont believe in coincidences, but it indicates that he carried an issue from that game onwards.
Good stats there Thry. By memory he had an interrupted (or late start to) pre season and then had the broken cheek. Do these stats line up with the return from the break (cheek)?
If you scroll down to the table, it shows the round in which the game was played immediately after the opponents name. He had a fairly flat middle of the season with only 2 games being particularly good. One against Port which he spent majority of the game playing forward. The other against the Bombers. He was pretty good against the Lions in between those games, and then broke the cheek bone.
The others he was at worst servicable with some games being better than average, but still no where near as good as his last 5 or 6 weeks. Make of that what you will, but you could argue that Sunday was his best game of the year quite convincingly and even then its been one of the few that he has been able to give us 4 quarters of good footy.
* 4th qtr, Murphy lays an awesome tackle on Big Ivan (thought some said Murphy can't and won't tackle??).
Sort of makes you wonder WTF he's been doing all year.
Examples have been shown where a clear drop off occurred in his performance and he has been steadily building his game back over the past six or so weeks. As the season has gone on one of two things can occur. You get worse, or you get better. Murphy is getting better. Perhaps had he been going in all guns blazing all season trying to do what his body would not let him, he would be broken and unable to give us anything now.
Which would you prefer?
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/M/Marc_Murphy.html
He has clearly hit form since about 5 weeks ago, and although its down on his best footy, its some of the best footy he has been able to give us all season. Sunday was his best game he has played since the game against Melbourne, and he looked proppy a week later against the Saints.
I dont believe in coincidences, but it indicates that he carried an issue from that game onwards.
I was talking about tackling blokes, not general form.
All players carry injuries throughout the year, we were led to beleive he was on one leg, he definitely aint on one leg. Kudos to him for stepping up when we needed him most. His ability to get the ball when no other Carlton player could on Sunday was important early on.
Murphy's fractured cheekbone was more serious than I thought:
Murphy and Hodge had their eyes firmly fixed on the ball at Etihad Stadium in round 12 when the heavy clash forced Murphy from the field with concussion and a fractured cheekbone. He was taken to hospital and expected to miss up to a month.
The incident could not have come at a worse time for the tough midfielder, for he had just had 31 disposals against Essendon and rediscovered his groove. This came on top of a restrictive right knee, operated on over summer, which has reduced him to one training session a week.
Surgery to repair the cheekbone meant he was unable to eat properly, living on what he said on Monday was a diet of protein shakes and mushy food.
As the surgery was in a delicate spot, he could not lift weights, for fear it would affect the alignment of his jaw.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/murphy-lost-3kg-after-cheek-break-20130909-2tgd2.html#ixzz2eSH9AlAv
He has done exceptionally well to get back into decent form, particularly with his limited training.
He's had what you might call a character building year has Murph!
Just watched it again, you can hear victory with every second half goal!
Kaching, EFC out!
Kaching, Pies out!
Kaching, Nthmond out!
Kaching, Carlton into 6th!
Four in a row, jackpot!
I have a real problem with rules seemingly varying widely on a game by game basis without any prior warning or announcement.
The whole holding the ball 'rule'/saga (and its varied & shady interpretations) has brought the game (furtheri) into disrepute.
Holding the ball, and the incorrect disposal rule for mine.
Malthouse alluded to it at one stage earlier in the year, there is a trend amongst tacklers to tie at least one of the arms up, and blokes are opting to just drop the ball cold when this happens rather than try and make genuine attempts to "legally" dispose of the ball. The umpires seem to be ignoring the incorrect disposal. It's almost as if the AFL is trying to reduce the impact of tackling within the game.
@Deags
Equally annoying Deags is the trend now for a bloke about to be tackled to immediately duck his head and try for a high contact free kick - drives me nuts and we can thank the Selwood family for that one. In fact it should be called "going for a Selwood".
IMO ducking the head should be actively discouraged as it is just as likely to result in a head injury as laying a high tackle.
Agree Cookie.
Ducking the head should be play on. It is in other "tackling" codes. But then again in other tackling codes it isn't high contact if the tacklers arm slips upwards after contact is made either. I think at the moment the AFL is caught in no-man's land with regards to tackling. They need to either change the rules to reward and encourage tackling, ie no ducking, no high contact if first contact was fair and the arm bounces or slips upwards, holding/incorrect disposal of the ball (you could potentially also look at the tackling around the legs rule as well)... Or look to do away with it by taking impact out of tackling and make it really a "tying up the ball" type of exercise.
@Deags
Yes I think the AFL are caught somewhere in between the past traditions of the game and the way the modern game is played, i.e. a lot quicker and more free-flowing with more quick-fire hand passing etc.
I agree that tackling rules do need a complete rethink. The emphasis should be on keeping the game flowing and away from "winning" free kicks which results in too many tiggy-touchwood stoppages and frustration for the fans.
Your suggestions are good IMO and in addition I would be happy also if say the arms of bloke being tackled are pinned, then let him just drop the ball free. It would usually then result in a contested ball situation which would be fair enough.
FWIW my bug bear is in the back. If the bloke doesnt drop it(the ball), he falls forward onto his stomach to try and draw an in the back free kick and you see the umpires get sucked into it time and again. They usually change direction to fall yet pay it anyway. How does that work umpire? He dragged the bloke on top of him, thats how.
FWIW my bug bear is in the back. If the bloke doesnt drop it(the ball), he falls forward onto his stomach to try and draw an in the back free kick and you see the umpires get sucked into it time and again. They usually change direction to fall yet pay it anyway. How does that work umpire? He dragged the bloke on top of him, thats how.
Murphy, Betts and Curnow do quite nicely from this rule so I wouldn't be too keen to get rid of it!
FWIW my bug bear is in the back. If the bloke doesnt drop it(the ball), he falls forward onto his stomach to try and draw an in the back free kick and you see the umpires get sucked into it time and again. They usually change direction to fall yet pay it anyway. How does that work umpire? He dragged the bloke on top of him, thats how.
This one pi55es me off as well. Players are tackled, caught and throw themselves forward to get a free. This is the reason rule changes are so prominent in today's game, players and coaches try to exploit certain rules and the Rules Committee come up with new rules to counter it.
FWIW my bug bear is in the back. If the bloke doesnt drop it(the ball), he falls forward onto his stomach to try and draw an in the back free kick and you see the umpires get sucked into it time and again. They usually change direction to fall yet pay it anyway. How does that work umpire? He dragged the bloke on top of him, thats how.
Murphy, Betts and Curnow do quite nicely from this rule so I wouldn't be too keen to get rid of it!
Which Carlton team have you been watching do quite nicely out of any rules?
For me, there seems to be a distinct anti Carlton bias where the rules are applied a lot more harshly against (soft) and the ones we get have to be earned (very strictly speaking).
Chris Judd is the only player that I can remember in recent history getting what some might call favourable treatment from umpires.
Which Carlton team have you been watching do quite nicely out of any rules?
For me, there seems to be a distinct anti Carlton bias where the rules are applied a lot more harshly against (soft) and the ones we get have to be earned (very strictly speaking).
Chris Judd is the only player that I can remember in recent history getting what some might call favourable treatment from umpires.
I'm glad you are passionate and I feel the same after a game, but usually come around to some perspective after watching the 2nd or 3rd replay!
Not sure about Betts and Curnow but Murph definitely throws himself forward at every opportunity.
I think it's clear from the game to me now that 2 amigos in the forward line is how we should go. The no. 1 should be Eddie and we should do everything we reasonable can to keep him. Garlett is the other one. How is also getting better in the mid field rotation and in his pressure work.
Yarran I'm sure now needs to operate primarily from HB and provide run from there via the wings and corridor. I don't think he's anywhere nearly as effective when he goes forward - just looks edgy and uncomfortable to me, and we don't need 3 small forwards. I'd prefer to go with Menzel up there.
I think it's clear from the game to me now that 2 amigos in the forward line is how we should go. The no. 1 should be Eddie and we should do everything we reasonable can to keep him. Garlett is the other one. How is also getting better in the mid field rotation and in his pressure work.
Yarran I'm sure now needs to operate primarily from HB and provide run from there via the wings and corridor. I don't think he's anywhere nearly as effective when he goes forward - just looks edgy and uncomfortable to me, and we don't need 3 small forwards. I'd prefer to go with Menzel up there.
Personally, I think Garlett and Yarran play better on the wing or half back line. If you put Garlett deep in the F50 he loses space which then takes away his biggest asset, same applies to Yarran.
Betts on the other hand can work in pocket as good if not better than anybody in the league, as long as he doesn't end up flying for too many marks.
@LP
I go with Garlett on the wing LP - a lot of merit in what you say. Eddie is our best "true" small forward by miles IMO.
I think it's clear from the game to me now that 2 amigos in the forward line is how we should go. The no. 1 should be Eddie and we should do everything we reasonable can to keep him. Garlett is the other one. How is also getting better in the mid field rotation and in his pressure work.
Yarran I'm sure now needs to operate primarily from HB and provide run from there via the wings and corridor. I don't think he's anywhere nearly as effective when he goes forward - just looks edgy and uncomfortable to me, and we don't need 3 small forwards. I'd prefer to go with Menzel up there.
Personally, I think Garlett and Yarran play better on the wing or half back line. If you put Garlett deep in the F50 he loses space which then takes away his biggest asset, same applies to Yarran.
Betts on the other hand can work in pocket as good if not better than anybody in the league, as long as he doesn't end up flying for too many marks.
LP... a very good appraisal of the amigos....Yarran and Garlett both need space unlike Eddie who can work in a shoebox..
Have heard people comment about Andy Maher's commentary on Sunday, but haven't heard it myself.
Any chance someone can upload a snippet of it. A bloke at worked compared it to THAT scene from When Harry Met Sally lol.
@D7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU
D7 if you can't find Andy Maher's commentary, have a listen to Victor Hugo Morales' commentary on a Maradona goal for Argentina from many years ago. Amazing!
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