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Title: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2021, 08:52:42 pm
Backs:  Ryley Stoddart Stefan Radovanovic  Cody Hirst
Half-backs:  Nic Newman Tom Williamson Sam Petresvki-Seton
Centreline: Lochie O'Brien  Will Setterfield Sam Ramsay
Half-forwards: Jack Carroll  Toby Wooller  Josh Honey
Forwards:  Ben Caluzzi  Ben Crocker  Corey Durdin
Followers:  Tom De Koning   Paddy Dow   Matt Kennedy
Interchange:  James Parsons   Cooper Stephens   Ed Delaney  Matt Shannon       
Emergency:   Tom North   Lachlan Gawel

I look at this team and I think as I have for every game this season: where are out talls? Tom de Koning is the only ruck. Yet, Kennedy is named as a rover!
There are positives about this team, but the lack of taller options sticks out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: flyboy77 on May 09, 2021, 09:47:22 am
No Philp? injured?
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: ianh on May 09, 2021, 10:50:52 am
I look at this team and I think as I have for every game this season: where are out talls? Tom de Koning is the only ruck. Yet, Kennedy is named as a rover!
There are positives about this team, but the lack of taller options sticks out like a sore thumb.

Lack of options I guess although one of Gundry or Mirkov would make a difference.  Gundry in Under 23s match and Mirkov don't know about.  They have Delaney on the bench who is a KPU/Ruck and could perhaps be slotted in down back to give us at least one genuine tall down there.  He or Wooller can provide the chop out for TDK.  Pretty clear from that lineup TDK won't be the injury sub for the ones.  On that basis we lose one of the mids Setter/Dow/SPS to that role.

The Dogs have named both Scahche and Ugle-Hagan up forward and unlikely JUH will be the injury sub so expect we will never to cover 2 tall forwards with effectively zero tall defenders.  Delaney could take one, perhaps Wooller gets played back but then zero talls in the forward line.  Ben Silvagni did a job on JUH last week aided by double-teaming perhaps that is what we need to do.

Radovanovic  is as far as I am aware purely a defender but I wonder whether it would be worth seeing how he would go up forward if we had to play Wooller and Delaney back?  Might be a bust but one of the advantages of running our own VFL team is we can trial this sort of thing.

Notice that they have ex-Blue Jesse Glass-McCasker at FB.  He v Wooller would be an interesting athletic matchup.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: crashlander on May 09, 2021, 07:15:50 pm
FOOTSCRAY    2.2     5.6     7.10      11.11 (77)
CARLTON          0.4     1.6     2.10      8.11 (59)

GOALS
Carlton: Crocker 4, Honey 2, Kennedy, Parsons

BEST
Carlton: Radovanovic, Durdin, Honey, Willliamson, Newman, De Koning
No Wooller for the 2nd half, apparently. Radovanovic being best suggests that he gave Ugle Hagan a touch up. I'll look at the game later, before I scrub it. I only keep wins.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: LP on May 09, 2021, 07:19:09 pm
Ugle-Hagan subbed-out early due to head knock.

De Koning was pretty impressive.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: crashlander on May 09, 2021, 07:22:48 pm
Ugle-Hagan subbed-out early due to head knock.

De Koning was pretty impressive.
Tom de Koning must be back for next week. He offers too much to the team. Pitto tries his guts out week in, week out, but he is a limited player.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: kruddler on May 09, 2021, 07:39:54 pm
Tom de Koning must be back for next week. He offers too much to the team. Pitto tries his guts out week in, week out, but he is a limited player.
I'd let TDK take Casboults place, not Pittonets.

Good to see Crocker with another lazy 4 goals.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: rocky on May 09, 2021, 07:45:27 pm
Good to see Crocker with another lazy 4 goals.
Yes, but he is a cat and I think he wasn't as impressive this week. Not sure if he could get away with it at AFL level.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: LP on May 09, 2021, 07:45:54 pm
I thought meat did OK around the ground, but I concede Pittonet is safe for now.

Not sure Pittonet or De Koning give us what Meat does though, Meat was OK on those exit D50 marking attempts!
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: crashlander on May 12, 2021, 12:15:19 pm
First time I've been able to see the game on the TV.
[1] Western Oval, the only place where the little breeze becomes a gale. Very difficult to kick goals at that place.
[2] Footscray had SO much more experience than we did. So much so that we did very well.
[3] Their players appear to have a better attack on the ball than ours. We do not have the kamikaze attack on the ball that wins game. Something the seniors have issues with as well.
[4] Setters is just not desperate enough.
[5] O'Brien is toast. Doesn't get where the ball is.
[6] Our team really needs some height. The Dogs had a lot more talls than we did.
[7] We need a different midfield coach. Badly.
[8] Crocker probably needs to get promoted. Even though he couldn't get the goals early. Crocker had 3 points in the first quarter.
[9] I like Parsons, but is just that bit too slow! He had some very good pick-ups today, but got caught too much.
[10] Radovanovic was BOG? He had a shocker early. Everything he touched turned to crap.
[11] Tom de Koning is ready for next week. His work in the ruck and around the ground was very good.
[12] Willo was actually pretty good, but his disposal let him down.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: crashlander on May 12, 2021, 12:28:20 pm
[1] Durdin didn't get a touch in the first quarter, but showed something afterwards.
[2] We had so many inside 50's for no reward. The first 10 of the 2nd quarter, for no goals. Why? Nobody down there to take a contested mark and wouldn't drop our eyes.
[3] Kennedy had a shocker. Just couldn't get the ball.
[4] Cooper Stephens reminds me of Nick Duigan the way he kicks and runs.
[5] Cody Weightman can't get a run for the Dogs: how? I've always been impressed.
[6] Honey is good when he gets near the pill. But he doesn't get it enough. His goals were very nice.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: crashlander on May 12, 2021, 12:50:33 pm
[1] 1 goal 10 was match-losing football. Simple as that.
[2] Kennedy was better later, but he still disappointed me this game.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: spf on May 13, 2021, 11:43:37 pm
Carlton Reserves v Western Bulldogs Review | By Paul Sebastiani

https://youtu.be/jkE8a3wfbHM
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: Macca37 on May 14, 2021, 01:16:08 am
Thanks SPF.  It's good to get a decent review of our reserves current form.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: flyboy77 on May 14, 2021, 08:25:20 am
Thanks SPF.  It's good to get a decent review of our reserves current form.

The coach's assessment on the CFC web site is quite different.

Reckons Willo did a great job etc....

Odd.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: LP on May 14, 2021, 08:36:43 am
The coach's assessment on the CFC web site is quite different.

Reckons Willo did a great job etc....

Odd.
Whoever he is he's watched a very different game to me!
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: dodge on May 14, 2021, 09:32:56 am
What I do like about the coach's assessment is that he does accentuate a few things players need to work on (eg something like LOB runs round like a headless chook), which helps give us an idea as to why they aren't in the ones.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: crashlander on May 14, 2021, 01:20:15 pm
Whoever he is he's watched a very different game to me!
I thought Willo wasn't bad at all. His direct opponents barely touched it. His disposal, however, was not always great. I remember seeing him take the play on, get the pill and burst down the grown. It was excellent play, but the kick didn't hit the target, and went back straight over his head to Ugle-Hagan for his only kick and goal.
It was brilliant from him, but that single metre was the difference between us having a shot for goal and the Dogs getting one.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: LP on May 14, 2021, 02:14:17 pm
I thought Willo wasn't bad at all. His direct opponents barely touched it. His disposal, however, was not always great. I remember seeing him take the play on, get the pill and burst down the grown. It was excellent play, but the kick didn't hit the target, and went back straight over his head to Ugle-Hagan for his only kick and goal.
It was brilliant from him, but that single metre was the difference between us having a shot for goal and the Dogs getting one.
We'd be accused of watching through rose coloured glasses, but perhaps it's the alternate and the other critic has crap in his eye!
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 14, 2021, 04:21:28 pm
I thought Willo wasn't bad at all. His direct opponents barely touched it. His disposal, however, was not always great. I remember seeing him take the play on, get the pill and burst down the grown. It was excellent play, but the kick didn't hit the target, and went back straight over his head to Ugle-Hagan for his only kick and goal.
It was brilliant from him, but that single metre was the difference between us having a shot for goal and the Dogs getting one.
Whats happened to Willo? Was a lethal left footer who could run all day, it seems after a few years in our system...well you know the story.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: kruddler on May 14, 2021, 04:44:44 pm
Whats happened to Willo? Was a lethal left footer who could run all day, it seems after a few years in our system...well you know the story.

Not so sure about lethal left foot. We didn't see too much of him initially, so perhaps the good kicks you remember to give him the title lethal were the exception not the rule.

I've been questioning him for a while and my comparisons to Paul Bower got laughed off.
Now, Bower had some very good attributes, he was CHB in U18 AA side, but he also had some questionable traits that made it hard to love him. This is what i see in Willo. Plenty of run, dash and athleticism, with dodgy decision making/disposal skills.....and neither of them can handball in a conventional manner.

As an 18yo, you love seeing some of those things. As a 20-whatever-yo, you can't put up with them week in week out.
I don't think Willo has gotten any worse, i just don't think he has improved. You need to improve on what you do as a n00b coming into the system....and i don't see that.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 14, 2021, 05:26:53 pm
Williamson has come back from injury a changed player, poor decision making, foot skills have disappeared and his lack of a right side in his play is more apparent. The reality is he is a delist or rookie case at best and he has lost his position to Parks.
Any comparison with Bower is probably the final nail in Williamson's career with us, Bower was a lunatic with ball in hand, never have I seen a player who could find trouble so easily after being in clear space...
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 14, 2021, 08:50:07 pm
Not so sure about lethal left foot. We didn't see too much of him initially, so perhaps the good kicks you remember to give him the title lethal were the exception not the rule.

I've been questioning him for a while and my comparisons to Paul Bower got laughed off.
Now, Bower had some very good attributes, he was CHB in U18 AA side, but he also had some questionable traits that made it hard to love him. This is what i see in Willo. Plenty of run, dash and athleticism, with dodgy decision making/disposal skills.....and neither of them can handball in a conventional manner.

As an 18yo, you love seeing some of those things. As a 20-whatever-yo, you can't put up with them week in week out.
I don't think Willo has gotten any worse, i just don't think he has improved. You need to improve on what you do as a n00b coming into the system....and i don't see that.
As a junior the left was lethal.
Title: Re: VFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs the Footscray
Post by: PaulP on May 14, 2021, 08:59:32 pm
As a junior the left was lethal.

His 2017 season pretty decent IMO.