We have a poor record against Hawthorn this century. We need to change that, and today is a good time to start.
We have a poor record against Hawthorn this century. We need to change that, and today is a good time to start.
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Suppose it beats the crap out of an honourable loss.
If we didn't 5hit our pants against the Dogs we'd be sitting in the 8.
Use this thread now guys.
At least we got the 4 points - gutsy effort in the end.
Wins a win, we "out-disposal-efficiencied" them (73-72 I think).
There was a chain of disposals in that last that was just terrible, about 4 missed targets in a row. We have to tidy this up.
We also have to stop giving teams so much space.
Doc was very good today (at least what I saw).
S Walsh - 3 Votes.
as bad as we were a couple of good things came about, Stocker's game was good , i think setters improved as the game wore on he still needs to put his body on the line though. Silvagni's efforts were first rate.
Eddie kills it again. So did Setterfield ... useless bloody lummox.
Take the 4 points but the game was substandard and we lived off a few of the Hawks kids mistakes like CJ giving us the ball back everytime he got it.
Its hard to think back to a worse Hawthorn team than this one running around today.
Walsh was our best by a long way and I though Wingard the same for the Hawks.
Hard to find too many other 4 quarter players, Mitchell got plenty of ball but did nothing with it, Omeara and Cripps seem to be a nil all draw and the rucks were also fairly even. Liked TDK's game in parts and it was handy to have him back, Eddie was dangerous as was Bruest and I thought Saad was one of our best even though he had a couple of goals kicked on him.
Williams got a few kicks but was just so so IMO, probably Weitering was our best player after Walsh and both him and Jones controlled their positions not that they had much opposition, didnt see much of either Lewis or Kositchke.
Wouldnt want to play like that vs the Swans though and I reckon Teague would be happy with a win but not so happy about how we won it...
Harry will benefit from successfully nailing a big moment 👏
The last time Carlton beat Hawthorn at the MCG was the day Sam Walsh was born — July 2, 2000.
Take the 4 points but the game was substandard and we lived off a few of the Hawks kids mistakes like CJ giving us the ball back everytime he got it.
Its hard to think back to a worse Hawthorn team than this one running around today.
Walsh was our best by a long way and I though Wingard the same for the Hawks.
Hard to find too many other 4 quarter players, Mitchell got plenty of ball but did nothing with it, Omeara and Cripps seem to be a nil all draw and the rucks were also fairly even. Liked TDK's game in parts and it was handy to have him back, Eddie was dangerous as was Bruest and I thought Saad was one of our best even though he had a couple of goals kicked on him.
Williams got a few kicks but was just so so IMO, probably Weitering was our best player after Walsh and both him and Jones controlled their positions not that they had much opposition, didnt see much of either Lewis or Kositchke.
Wouldnt want to play like that vs the Swans though and I reckon Teague would be happy with a win but not so happy about how we won it...
Seemed too happy to simply go along and play at their standard.
As a Carlton supporter won't knock a win though, even ugly.
Seemed too happy to simply go along and play at their standard.
As a Carlton supporter won't knock a win though, even ugly.
Their standard is woeful, talk about ugly scrappy footy, the Hawks were no chance to beat us but we were a good chance
of beating ourselves. When goals like that one of Howe's went through on half time you do think its possible we could lose to these duds but luckily we played a more decent brand in the last and they degenerated into more of a rabble than they were.
Cant see Clarko staying the journey till the Hawks turn it around, they need about three decent drafts to inject some talent into that team..
Clarkson has gone into scrappy game mode through necessity, crappy to watch but gives you a chance to pinch it at the end. We out scrapped them in the end. Very impressed by Stocker hard tough and even a little bit of arrogance better watching him running around than a few pea heart’s lately. I’d also keep Owies going is a reliable kick so doesn’t need many but chips in and even ran backwards into a pack in that last qtr
One of those game where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, but not in a good way. Foot on the pedal, foot off the pedal, brief glimpses of nice skills, but mostly Shemp, Larry and Mo. And somehow, 2 hours later, we emerge with a win. There was nothing particularly convincing about any of that, but I guess in today's race to the bottom, Hawthorn won.
I don't know why, but whenever we play an inferior team, we always seem to let them drag us down to their level of incompetence. You can clearly see the Clarkson method through Bolton. Damage limitation has its place in football, and sometimes you simply have to go there. But listening on the wireless, it I was at the game I'd be tempted to ask for my money back.
We just simply have to have players step up. Take responsibility for their errors, improve, take it on - grab a game by the scruff and improve improve improve
One of those game where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, but not in a good way. Foot on the pedal, foot off the pedal, brief glimpses of nice skills, but mostly Shemp, Larry and Mo. And somehow, 2 hours later, we emerge with a win. There was nothing particularly convincing about any of that, but I guess in today's race to the bottom, Hawthorn won.
I don't know why, but whenever we play an inferior team, we always seem to let them drag us down to their level of incompetence. You can clearly see the Clarkson method through Bolton. Damage limitation has its place in football, and sometimes you simply have to go there. But listening on the wireless, it I was at the game I'd be tempted to ask for my money back.
I wouldn't say money back, it was pretty quick, up and back but hard at it the same time. Players were knackered at the end, Sammy W just keeps finding a way to run his guts out under duress, half boy, half machine. Yes skills were ordinary at times, a lot of pressure from both sides.
To be honest, I don't get the negativity.
Clarkson, smarting from last week's loss and desperate for a win, got his inexperienced boys to attack us at our weakness... fierce pressure, scrappy footy... but we absorbed it and came away with a win.
Had the Dawks bought that ferocity to last week's game against the Kangabies, they'd have won.
To me, that win had character and heart - no nice. We were fierce at the contest, limited them to 9 goals, and yes, there were mutual howlers but that happens in dour games.
Buoyed by Williams, Stocker, TDK and Saad.
H has a quiet day but still slots 2 critical goals.
Doc looks much better on a wing (and Williams much, much better off half back).
A number of other important positives as well: Owies, SOJ, Eddie turning back the clock, Murph's composure in the 3rd when needed and the relentless endeavour from Ed C.
Grinding out a win in a game like that can do much for confidence and morale... now to back it up.
I wouldn't say money back, it was pretty quick, up and back but hard at it the same time. Players were knackered at the end, Sammy W just keeps finding a way to run his guts out under duress, half boy, half machine.
Yes, my "money back" partly tongue in cheek. I'd always happily pay if we win.
No Walsh and Weitering, and we'd be stuffed IMO. Walsh must be leading or very close to leading the Brownlow at this point, and maybe the MVP as well. A jet and a gun all rolled into one. I'm starting to have nightmares about him getting serious injury or running himself into the ground and being washed up by 25.
To be honest, I don't get the negativity.
Clarkson, smarting from last week's loss and desperate for a win, got his inexperienced boys to attack us at our weakness... fierce pressure, scrappy footy... but we absorbed it and came away with a win.
Had the Dawks bought that ferocity to last week's game against the Kangabies, they'd have won.
To me, that win had character and heart - no nice. We were fierce at the contest, limited them to 9 goals, and yes, there were mutual howlers but that happens in dour games.
Buoyed by Williams, Stocker, TDK and Saad.
H has a quiet day but still slots 2 critical goals.
Doc looks much better on a wing (and Williams much, much better off half back).
A number of other important positives as well: Owies, SOJ, Eddie turning back the clock, Murph's composure in the 3rd when needed and the relentless endeavour from Ed C.
Grinding out a win in a game like that can do much for confidence and morale... now to back it up.
Agree with all the that, the contest between Plow and JOM was as fierce as I have seen in a very long time, both players didn't back down one iota.
From a poster on another forum.
"Just settling in to watch the replay.
Happened to be on the same flight as the Port Adelaide players/coaches from Adelaide to Melbourne today. When we took off we were 4 goals up. Landed and it was only a few points late in the third.
Saw Connor Rozee check the scores of our match the minute the plane landed and he turned to Alir Alir and said 'Carlton choking as usual'.
So there it is - from the horses mouth what we're thought of amongst the playing ranks."
Rozee's a twerp. We might choke at our end of the ladder, but at their end, they choke just as much, and are flat rack bullies to boot.
Teague absolutely sprayed them big time at half time focussing on the defensive aspects of our game as a team. Second half was different. 5.5 to 2.3 so obviously he got through to them.
From a poster on another forum.
"Just settling in to watch the replay.
Happened to be on the same flight as the Port Adelaide players/coaches from Adelaide to Melbourne today. When we took off we were 4 goals up. Landed and it was only a few points late in the third.
Saw Connor Rozee check the scores of our match the minute the plane landed and he turned to Alir Alir and said 'Carlton choking as usual'.
So there it is - from the horses mouth what we're thought of amongst the playing ranks."
Yes, we did... but, even when headed, we rallied and showed grit to take the lead, build on it and hold it. The boys will learn much more from a win such as that than any 'brave' loss. They experienced what it takes, the endeavour and relentlessness required. Backing it up is imperative.
Also good to see O'Keefe sitting next to The TT in the coach's box.
From a poster on another forum.
"Just settling in to watch the replay.
Happened to be on the same flight as the Port Adelaide players/coaches from Adelaide to Melbourne today. When we took off we were 4 goals up. Landed and it was only a few points late in the third.
Saw Connor Rozee check the scores of our match the minute the plane landed and he turned to Alir Alir and said 'Carlton choking as usual'.
So there it is - from the horses @rse what we're thought of amongst the playing ranks." Who gives a rusty fck what Rozee thinks... fcknuckle.
I actually enjoyed the game as a spectacle.
Yep, there were some crappy skills from time to time (both sides guilty) but there were also a lot of good things on display.
I think the most important thing is we get the side settled and get some games into them as a 'team'...with folks in their best positions ;)
I actually enjoyed the game as a spectacle.
Yep, there were some crappy skills from time to time (both sides guilty) but there were also a lot of good things on display.
I think the most important thing is we get the side settled and get some games into them as a 'team'...with folks in their best positions ;)
In past years we would always lose the tough physical ones, not anymore!
I thought Harry was a bit crowded at times today with some of our talls (Tom and Jack) getting in the way or flying' with him.
I thought Harry was a bit crowded at times today with some of our talls (Tom and Jack) getting in the way or flying' with him.
Yes, SOJ got in the way quite a bit, as did Tom at least twice, but BigH also got in the way a couple of times when he should have dragged his direct opponent away!
It's about games together in a stable setup.
It's great to win but what a substandard game. From about the third minute of the third quarter to almost the end of that quarter both sides seemed to be in a race to show which side has the worst skills.
Despite having a cellar dweller list Hawthorn always looked dangerous in attack by going straight through the middle.
By contrast, in attack we always seemed to go to the flanks by default allowing the Hawks to pack the backline, and then we would further oblige them by kicking the ball on top of our forwards who on a number of occasions got in each others way.
Is Teague too afraid to go down the middle for fear of the ball rebounding because of our poor foot skills?
Whatever the reason, what we are doing now is so predictable and it will cause us trouble against sides better than the Hawks.
Ugly game by two bottom 8 teams. Thought we were going to crap the bed in the second half after they kicked the last 3 before half time and thd first of the third quarter to take the lead. However they dug deep, steadied and came away with the win, which as couple have said on here already was maybe a good sign and give them some belief and confidence.
H has a quiet day but still slots 2 critical goals.
He has that FF knack. Play a shocker, but still snag a few. Earlier in the year he had a couple of average games where he kicked 4. Great to see!!! Combine those with the days out where he kicks 7 or8 and we’ve got a champ
Sure isn't one for the video library. Still a long way off the pace.
Standard gets diminished by the opposition. Got to watch the replay but first impressions were it was a slog and we won so good.
In past years we would always lose the tough physical ones, not anymore!
One of the most pleasing aspects for mine.
I'm with
@Lods on this game.
I think sometimes fan judgement of good or bad is a bit coloured by scoring and this season some of the scoring has been berserk.
Despite the kicking errors I thought as a contest today's game was probably the most physical we've seen all season and a great style of game to watch. Tackling rewarded, contest after contest perhaps some of it due to poor disposal, but perhaps the brutality of the contest contributes some of the poor disposal.
Some will say that can't work against good sides, but attack good sides like that and you'll drag down their skills as well.
I'd say that is the fiercest I've seen a Carlton side tackle since Ratten was coach, to the despair of some even sMurph stuck some heavy tackles.
If things are too silky, too smooth, we probably say it's bruise free!
Geez I thought we were a bit scrappy today. We've got nuthin on the Aints. 110point demolition by the Dogs 😳
On the comment earlier about playing down to the oppo, like we've done so many times, it was almost as if we tried but were too advanced to manage to lose it that way. TT seems to believe it's between the ears and has to wait until the squad works it out coz it can't be forced. May well be the case. But he's a sitting duck til they do coz it's up to them. Gee I wish Cunningham hadn't have gone down. His emerging class and accuracy would have made such a difference on the score board and for confidence at just the right time.
I put up the scenarios in the pre game thread.
The one I backed played out. A so so win, but it showed some character so happy to get the chocolates.
Of course happy for the win but let’s not forget it should’ve been done a d dusted by half time
Skill errors time and again let us down. Without all those it would’ve been an annihilation. They exhaust themselves trying to fix their problems they cause
Was at the game. A few observations
Poor quality skills by both teams but we looked to be the ones capable of another gear and we showed it towards the end of the game.
Best game I’ve seen Williams play as a blue. Still not at his best but his field kicking is pin point accurate and I can see exactly why we got him. Even when playing off half back he is a great asset and I’m comfortable with the ball in his hands.
Typical great games by Weiters and Walsh. Very lucky to have these 2 superstars at our club.
Stocker is a player. Has a big heart, never gives in and just keeps putting his head down by running hard till the final siren. He isn’t exactly being eased into the team either-is given tough opponents to man so when he makes an error it often results in a goal against but he doesn’t go into his shell and just cracks straight back in. This kid can play and deserves his spot.
I really hope others see how valuable Jack is to this team. Such a smart user just wish his teammates would take his lead and learn from him as he never just bombs the ball always looks up and makes really smart decisions.
Doc is getting right back to the same doc we had pre knee injury. So rapt for him as he has had a bloody time over the last 3 years and this bloke deserves some recognition.
I know this is glass half full but Harry was quiet, Cripps still looks hampered, Williams will get better TDK first game back and once Martin and Fisher get back in we have a lot of upside. We are learning to win when we play average which while
It’s hard to see when it’s happening it is a good sign. Reckon apart from 2 1/2 quarts into the dogs game we have not played anywhere near our best yet we are still within striking distance of the 8 and have a winnable block of games over the next month so may be in the eight by the bye.
Look at saints and then look at us - we are tracking ok.
Was at the game. A few observations
Poor quality skills by both teams but we looked to be the ones capable of another gear and we showed it towards the end of the game.
Best game I’ve seen Williams play as a blue. Still not at his best but his field kicking is pin point accurate and I can see exactly why we got him. Even when playing off half back he is a great asset and I’m comfortable with the ball in his hands.
Typical great games by Weiters and Walsh. Very lucky to have these 2 superstars at our club.
Stocker is a player. Has a big heart, never gives in and just keeps putting his head down by running hard till the final siren. He isn’t exactly being eased into the team either-is given tough opponents to man so when he makes an error it often results in a goal against but he doesn’t go into his shell and just cracks straight back in. This kid can play and deserves his spot.
I really hope others see how valuable Jack is to this team. Such a smart user just wish his teammates would take his lead and learn from him as he never just bombs the ball always looks up and makes really smart decisions.
Doc is getting right back to the same doc we had pre knee injury. So rapt for him as he has had a bloody time over the last 3 years and this bloke deserves some recognition.
I know this is glass half full but Harry was quiet, Cripps still looks hampered, Williams will get better TDK first game back and once Martin and Fisher get back in we have a lot of upside. We are learning to win when we play average which while
It’s hard to see when it’s happening it is a good sign. Reckon apart from 2 1/2 quarts into the dogs game we have not played anywhere near our best yet we are still within striking distance of the 8 and have a winnable block of games over the next month so may be in the eight by the bye.
Look at saints and then look at us - we are tracking ok.
Glad you highlighted Stocker, Shawny. No short steps with this kid... saw him engage in some argy bargy at times - love it. 2nd, 3rd efforts - there for all to see. Yep, some rough edges but they'll smooth out over time. Well done, SOS, you got this one right.
Stocker is the sort of bloke who will lift others around him with his 'no holding back' attack on the aggott or man.
@Shawny
Like your positive interpretation of our still error prone performances Shawn and I am, if not totally encouraged, prepared to await further improvement and gaining of more confidence and poise. As far as Cripps is concerned, while yet nowhere near back to his best, I thought he showed a bit more freedom in his movement this week and just maybe gaining back some of his elusiveness?
@ Baggers
I too like the look of Stocker, he shows a lot of promise with a handy dash of mongrel.
Agree 100% about stocker. There’s something tough about the kid and great assessment that even when something goes against him, he still keeps going and love a bit of argy he brings.
Is that cottrell and owies too? A bit of tough in these guys. Finally. Parkes has it too.
I’ll watch it again to see how it looks second time around and I concede I had ‘easy win’ in my mind before the game so maybe was watching it real time with that pov.
Stocker is physical and attacks the ball well which I like but played on Bruest who kicked three goals, had 13 touches so Stocker needs to pay more attention to his man if he is going to play down back.
I can't work out why he isn't in the middle helping Cripps and Walsh..
Let's not kid ourselves, that was the weakest whorks outfit I've ever seen, yet the handful of senior players they fielded caused us major issues. All I took from it was that our kids are way more advanced than theirs, if we're only 4 goals better at this point in time then there's a serious problem Jan.
Going into this game, if i offered you a 4-goal win, you'd take it.
Job done.
We won.
We won ugly, but we won.
Plenty of errors. Plenty of good signs.
These are the games we just have to win....and we did.
On to next week.
Anyone else seen the Hartigan hit on Walsh 100 meters off the ball?
Elbowed him straight to the head and dropped him.
ZERO media coverage so far...
Well done to Ed Curnow for winning the David Parkin medal.
Anyone else seen the Hartigan hit on Walsh 100 meters off the ball?
Elbowed him straight to the head and dropped him.
ZERO media coverage so far...
https://www.afl.com.au/news/619167/hawk-under-investigation-for-off-the-ball-hit-on-star-blue
Let's not kid ourselves, that was the weakest whorks outfit I've ever seen, yet the handful of senior players they fielded caused us major issues. All I took from it was that our kids are way more advanced than theirs, if we're only 4 goals better at this point in time then there's a serious problem Jan.
Agree, you would take the 4 points but wouldn't take much else away from the game.Hawks are a very ordinary line up but we needed to beat them to exercise a few demons from the past given they dominated us for decades. Have to play a lot better to beat the Swans at home...
Let's not kid ourselves, that was the weakest whorks outfit I've ever seen, yet the handful of senior players they fielded caused us major issues. All I took from it was that our kids are way more advanced than theirs, if we're only 4 goals better at this point in time then there's a serious problem Jan.
Pretty weak defence and average attack, but
I think their midfield is pretty reasonable,
Stocker is physical and attacks the ball well which I like but played on Bruest who kicked three goals, had 13 touches so Stocker needs to pay more attention to his man if he is going to play down back.
I can't work out why he isn't in the middle helping Cripps and Walsh..
I was critical on Stocker early in the game when watching live but when you really think about its the match up that is asking a hell of a lot on a kid rather then our guy playing too loose (by the way Saad was on Bruest for his 3rd goal)
Bruest is a seasoned very smart forward, to keep him to 2 goals in your 10 game is a pass from me. Add in his offensive side to his game and he more then contributes. He is tough has a bit of pr!ck about him and has been given some very dangerous forwards to take this year, Charlie Cameron, Tippa etc. Reckon SOS might have found one with this kid.
Anyone else seen the Hartigan hit on Walsh 100 meters off the ball?
Elbowed him straight to the head and dropped him.
ZERO media coverage so far...
My mate was at 'The G' in the MCC Members and said is was a dead set dog act of the Clarkson variety, should we expect any less?
He reckons Foxtel must have footage as it would be in the middle of the view for the behind the goals cameras.
There is a lot of talk on the Harry and Cripps signatures but im hoping as soon as they are out the way Jack gets offered a fair extension.
Shows more then enough to be given another contract and just hope there is no flow on from the issues with his Dad that may play a part in what he is offered. He is an underrated player IMO and we are a lot harder to play against in our F50 when he is out there. Very smart user and does so many of the little things that hopefully are noticed when considering his future with us.
Here it is.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/kyle-hartigan-under-fire-over-off-ball-hit-on-sam-walsh/d297d0db-3b65-427c-9731-e056aab31c34
Doc looks much better on a wing - AMEN TO THAT
and Williams much, much better off half back - LOW BAR BUT VERY TRUE
If we didn't 5hit our pants against the Dogs we'd be sitting in the 8.
The later part of the Dogs game was indeed shocking but I watched the Dogs put the Aints to the torch last night and they look like they could go right through any other team.
We are a long way short of where we would like to be but we seem to be playing a few more scrappers and overlooking some who might be more talented but not as up for the fight or fast enough to get to it.
To be honest, I don't get the negativity.
Clarkson, smarting from last week's loss and desperate for a win, got his inexperienced boys to attack us at our weakness... fierce pressure, scrappy footy... but we absorbed it and came away with a win.
Had the Dawks bought that ferocity to last week's game against the Kangabies, they'd have won.
To me, that win had character and heart - no nice. We were fierce at the contest, limited them to 9 goals, and yes, there were mutual howlers but that happens in dour games.
Buoyed by Williams, Stocker, TDK and Saad.
H has a quiet day but still slots 2 critical goals.
Doc looks much better on a wing (and Williams much, much better off half back).
A number of other important positives as well: Owies, SOJ, Eddie turning back the clock, Murph's composure in the 3rd when needed and the relentless endeavour from Ed C.
Grinding out a win in a game like that can do much for confidence and morale... now to back it up.
The standard of the game suggested that it was one between two of the lesser teams, and it is probably right to think so. But I was pleased that we really gutsed the game out, especially when Hawthorn kicked 3 in three minutes.
There were things that bothered me:
[1] Clarkson winning the coaching battle. His style of game was better than ours, which really frustrates me.
To be honest, our game style is not that bad until we get close to the forward 50. It is then that we forget everything and just pump the ball in long to a pack, from which we rarely get the ball.
There are other aspects to our game, especially our inability to spoil and our decision making, that need a lot of work.
To be honest, I'm not sure Teague is the man for the job. But I'm not sure Clarkson is either. I really do not like him. I have never forgiven him for breaking Ian Aitken's jaw, which I saw live. I like the way his teams attack the ball more than I like our relative lack of physicality, but there are other aspects that I really do not like.
[2] We really have weaknesses when it comes to curtailing the opposition's best players. Mitchell, for example, got the ball 40 times. That he was relatively ineffective was lucky for us. But we've really got to work out a way and train and man to smother opponents.
What pleased me:
[1] Setterfield: with Setters playing in the midfield he managed to get more of the ball. And he didn't turn it over as often. Not sure about his hardness yet, but he was much better than he has been.
[2] Putting Williams back at HB and Docherty on the wing has been an excellent move. Both players made fewer mistakes and got the ball a lot more. Doc's kicking is still requires some work, but he hasn't been caught out in defence with his man free.
[3] Tom de Koning wasn't brilliant, but he was decent and he will get better. His athleticism in the middle and around goal was good. And Marc Pittonet was good as a resting ruckman, getting a couple of nice marks and a goal when they were needed.
[4] Stocker was definitely a positive. he worked well and made some good decisions. His kicking is also an improvement. His attack on the ball was better and he didn't just simply defend.
[5] Gibbo had probably his best game this season. While that is not saying a lot, he was much better than he has been. He put his body on the line and showed courage. And he kicked straight when he needed to.
[6] Eddie was good again. Owies is showing a bit and kicking a couple of good goals.
I am finding a problem with Owies at the moment: he gets brushed aside too easily. That was also the case in the 2nds a few weeks back. When kicking to him as a marking target, the ball usually comes back the other way. I would not have him as a permanent feature yet, but I am liking much of what he does.
If we dropped him back, I'd be tempted to play Honey in this place, as Honey is that bit stronger.
[7] Sam Walsh! What a player this guy is!
I was at the game. A couple of disclaimers:
We were sitting at the very back of the top of the Olympic stand. It was great, because we had the sun on our backs and it was nice and warm, however, I was also wearing the wrong specs, so couldn't easily identify the players. Our family (4 Blues) went with a good mate (neutral) and his son (Hawks).
There was 7-8 minutes in the third quarter and same again in the last where the turnovers were appalling. Would have preferred to be at the local footy where there is some expectation of this. We were actually laughing it was so bad.
At the end of the first half, we were surprised that Hawks were 3 points down. We were doing it easily, but didn't really notice the Hawks scoring (or that they had more scores than us for most of the day) - weren't really watching the scoreboard until the second half.
The turning point was when Kositschke played on in the goal square, we tackled and got the free. We seemed to settle a bit after that.
The scoreboard had disposal efficiency at about 73% each - don't know what makes an efficient disposal, but it certainly didn't feel that at the ground.
Watched the replay. In the last qtr, Jordan Lewis was asked, how he saw Cripps' game - "OK" then was given some stats "I take that back he's been good" then was told Cripps had the most pressure acts on the ground "OK - he's been excellent". Pickle.
Thanks dodge.
Had to scrap against the worst side in the comp. Poor performance, would want to be better next week or it's season over before the bye.
Round 10 Stats
C Rozee 8 disposals 0 goals 6 tackles 0 clearance 85 meters gained.
S Walsh 30 disposals 1 goal 6 tackles 4 clearances 432 meters gained
Let’s end that discussion once and for all!!
Round 10 Stats
C Rozee 8 disposals 0 goals 6 tackles 0 clearance 85 meters gained.
S Walsh 30 disposals 1 goal 6 tackles 4 clearances 432 meters gained
Let’s end that discussion once and for all!!
Think it was only well known Port pumper of tyres Kane Cornes that had Rozee better than Walsh and even he has had to backtrack on that idea. I think Sam is going to come under more attention like we saw from Hartigan and I hope his teammates are going to be there to look after him..
Glass half full or glass half empty One game out of the eight, Big game next week against the Swans. Docherty was good on the wing, Murphy was good in the third quarter, Cripps is playing more of a team game but still needs to improve in that, Walsh is outstanding, Curnow tough, Eddie was good today and got back into defence and helped out, Saad, Williams and Fogarty all good. Next week we should have Martin back and DeKonning will be better for the run. Harry decided to be the man today and took on the responsibility of kicking the sealer. as soon as he took the mark he was always going to kick the goal. Our forward structure and team would be totally different with Charlie. Silvagni gives us a toughness in the contest.
The players need to believe more and concentrate longer. Hawthorn will be competitive when they are committed to the game as they were yesterday, or they will be very ordinary. Because of our lapses they would have thought they were in with a chance and played their A Game. We need to become winners and have other teams believe we are winners, when that happens, games like yesterday will become a lot easier.
Round 10 Stats
C Rozee 8 disposals 0 goals 6 tackles 0 clearance 85 meters gained.
S Walsh 30 disposals 1 goal 6 tackles 4 clearances 432 meters gained
Let’s end that discussion once and for all!!
I ended the discussion in my mind a very long time ago.
Ugly or pretty win isn’t an issue for me at the moment. I would prefer ugly wins over close losses. A run of three wins in a row would help us get something of a winning culture developing. Not having the best record against the Hawks at the MCG makes this win sweeter.
I ended the discussion in my mind a very long time ago.
Was never a discussion. Rozee is good but if we didn't have walsh the player I wanted from that draft was Bailey Smith.
Seen the footage. It's a dog act and Hartigan will get weeks, but the MRO is a spineless Muppet so who knows. Did annoy me that McKay didn't really come to Walsh's aid, guess he was concerned with the ball which was only about 50 metres further afield.
Hartigan is bloody lucky it's 2021 not 1981...he wouldn't have walked off back then.
Plowman 2 weeks.
Hartigan 3 weeks.
What, for going at the ball?
What, for going at the ball?
Yep. O'Meara didn't even get a free and no Hawks fans around me even complained.
Plowman 2 weeks.
Hartigan 3 weeks.
We should challenge the Plowman penalty, he was basically punching the ball at the same time O'Meara tried to mark it.
We should challenge the Plowman penalty, he was basically punching the ball at the same time O'Meara tried to mark it.
Why? Him not playing improves our team tenfold. Give him an additional 10 weeks. And surely we can find a suspension for Jones somehow.
Those two are some of the major reasons for huge momentum swings with their shyte disposal and just sheer lack of game awareness. Appalling that both have played so many games for the club and highlights the sheer lack of player quality on the list.
Why?
If we bend over to get ahead we lose our soul, the decision is just wrong it could be BigH, Jones, SoJ or Weitering spoiling like that next week.
The MRP system is broken!
Seen the footage. It's a dog act and Hartigan will get weeks, but the MRO is a spineless Muppet so who knows. Did annoy me that McKay didn't really come to Walsh's aid, guess he was concerned with the ball which was only about 50 metres further afield.
Hartigan is bloody lucky it's 2021 not 1981...he wouldn't have walked off back then.
Noticed that Harry wasnt too comfortable with Hartigan all day and will need to toughen up a bit.
Was a dog act by Hartigan but when you were an average player to begin with and have slowed to a walk now, then a bit of biffo is about all he has to offer.
Plowman 2 weeks.
MRP. They are getting worse and worse
Did annoy me that McKay didn't really come to Walsh's aid,
Really disappointing that. Was embarrassed by his inaction. Think he's just a non aggressive type of guy, but he'll need to sort that out. Doesn't have to retaliate but needs to at least remonstrate.
Really disappointing that. Was embarrassed by his inaction. Think he's just a non aggressive type of guy, but he'll need to sort that out. Doesn't have to retaliate but needs to at least remonstrate.
Personally to me looks like he didn’t notice
Personally to me looks like he didn’t notice
Yes, the first thing he notices is Sam hitting the deck.
I've just had a look at it.... seems to me Walsh runs behind Harry and gets clobbered.
Harry is looking upfield, there's still a game on.
Walsh ends up at his feet.
Harry probably thinks he was pushed over.
Checks on him but continues to focus on the game.
Doesn't sound like Harry at all
MRP. They are getting worse and worse
Yep. Holman gets two weeks for the perfect tackle on Duncan. If this keeps up we will be playing basketball soon as you will not be able to touch anybody without fear of been suspended.
Yep. Holman gets two weeks for the perfect tackle on Duncan. If this keeps up we will be playing basketball soon as you will not be able to touch anybody without fear of been suspended.
I suspect Christian in his MRP role is more interested in avoiding future liability by delivering the AFL a plausible defence than officiating the rules of the game.
Just looked at all three Appeals.
Plowman eyes on the ball, ridiculas decision, SHOULD be thrown out and Christan given 2 weeks
Holman perfect tackle on Duncan, ridiculas desision, SHOULD be thrown out, 2 more weeks for you know who,
Pickett fair enough....
Dont know quite what Chritstans agenda is. Bad weekend for him.
I was critical on Stocker early in the game when watching live but when you really think about its the match up that is asking a hell of a lot on a kid rather then our guy playing too loose (by the way Saad was on Bruest for his 3rd goal)
Bruest is a seasoned very smart forward, to keep him to 2 goals in your 10 game is a pass from me. Add in his offensive side to his game and he more then contributes. He is tough has a bit of pr!ck about him and has been given some very dangerous forwards to take this year, Charlie Cameron, Tippa etc. Reckon SOS might have found one with this kid.
I would like to see him get some time onball this week against the Swans or at worst next week V the Eagles we have the bye th week after so the eagles game might be a good time to give Patty Cripps an extra week off to ensure he comes back from the bye fully fit.
Totally agree on Plowman.....simply can't be rubbed out for that or the game is about to become touch footy!
On the win against the Hawks, for the first time in ages, I'm taking the glass half full view. Yep, it was an ugly, scrappy win against a team that's only won two games, but still positives....apart from the obvious 4 points:
Sam Walsh is absolutely unbelievable and his gut-running and second and third efforts bely someone only in their third year.
Never under-estimate the importance of JSOS to the team. No coincidence that when he's missed games this year, our work rate and pressure acts all over the ground have dropped off. He might not be a 20+ possession player but he's critical to the team IMHO.
Probably Stocker's best game for us and he looks to be getting better week by week....and loves the hard stuff too.
Similarly Owies...not a huge possession getter but he's a good set shot and seems to have given Eddie a new lease of life too.
Weitering just rock solid again....with him at one end and Harry at the other we've got two perfect young bookends.
Ed Curnow is huge and, like Walsh, doesn't stop at all. He's not as clean with the ball as some others but he's a huge bonus to have.
TDK will get better as the weeks go by and he looked to have plenty of bounce and enthusiasm to take the game on.
Was ready to smash the TV with Williams' efforts in the first half but he got better and played probably his best game.
Saad....we've missed having someone who you'd say is "elite" with ball in hand.
Just need to back it up again this week.