Backs: Brodie Kemp Ed Delany Cody Hirst
Half-backs: Tom Williamson Luke Parks Cooper Stephens
Centreline: Jack Carroll Sam Petrevski-Seton Sam Ramsay
Half-forwards: Josh Honey Ben Caluzzi Jack Newnes
Forwards: Corey Durdin Ben Crocker James Parsons
Followers: Aaron Gundry Lochie O'Brien Matt Kennedy
Interchange: Fraser Phillips Ryley Stoddart Matt Shannon Tom North
Emergency: Dale Marshall Lachlan Swaney
It is good to see Gundry back, as he has been OK so far, but the fact that he has no back-up is frightening. I don't know if Swaney or Marshall can ruck, but Delaney appears to be the only option.
It is good to see Kemp named. Hopefully, he can show something sooner rather than later.
Our overall lack of size bothers me, but we do have some talent out there.
Kick off 12pm tomorrow, May 23, Ikon Park.
Kick off 12pm tomorrow, May 23, Ikon Park.
Is it possible it’s on free to air ?
Is it possible it’s on free to air ?
Good question.
Is it possible it’s on free to air ?
The AFL website shows the Icon for Ch7 and 7+ next to the game, but no broadcast guide as such. It might be one of those "check your local guides" scenario.
Where is Dow?
Is it possible it’s on free to air ?
Yes, Channel 7/7HD from midday.
Interesting that Southport sit second on the ladder.
Maybe not so bad that they just pipped us...
https://www.flashscore.com.au/afl/australia/vfl/standings/
any word on how we went?
any word on how we went?
Game is on tomorrow....
doh pays to read it correctly ..
At least the back half resembles a team with adequate height, the front half still midget.
The problem is the Hawks have named a very tall forward line (3 x 197, 1x 193) which means apart from Delany our backs will be giving away height. Nothing we can do about that so they will just have to play tall and try and run them off the feet on the way out. Issue I have with that is that only the silver fox Brooksby (and if/when he rests forward Ceglar) are traditional ruck types the rest are athletes.
And at the other end they have 1 genuine tall Hartley at 199cm who will have a field day if we bomb it long anywhere near him. So need to lower the eyes and hit targets - not necessarily our strong suit. My thinking is go the old Bombers style "U-shape" forward line where the nominal CHF (i'd have Parsons) pushes up the ground leaving the flankers (Honey/Calazzi) to stay out wide and a space for the FF (Crocker) to lead into. Kennedy plays FP as the long bail out and Durdin to crumb at his feet. If they have Hartley fill the space at CHB then Crocker needs to lead away from there or the ball carrier has to look elsewhere - at least Kennedy is a marking threat against the rest of their backline as named. If they push Hartley back onto Kennedy then he has to lead at the ball, at least it will have dragged Hartley away from the prime intercept marking spot.
In the middle I would expect Ceglar to have his way at the stoppages, and indeed Brooksby when given Ceglar a rest. I think probably all that can be done is to give a contest, rove to their ruck and try to use Gundry's athleticism to work off Ceglar away from the stoppages. I suspect we will have our work cut out for us given the Hawks tall timber.
Go Blues2s !
Where is Dow?
Hamstring tightness.
Good to see SPS named in the guts. Train him up there and we might still be able to use him in the 1's.
Kemp has miles to get back, he looks slow and confused, like a player who hasn't played for a few years.
Also pretty lightweight for his size, lacks power compared to others, probably side effects or consequence of his injuries. We need to be patient and play the long term game.
I don't know much about the VFL lists, form line, expectations etc., but is it fair to assume that we were expected to finish lower, and Box Hill to finish higher ? They seem to be a much better team.
Good to see SPS named in the guts. Train him up there and we might still be able to use him in the 1's.
Hopefully but will need to improve the penetration of his kicking for one imo. Can kick well but seems to have an obsession with 15m dinks.
Nearly 10 goals down near half time. We certainly won't be getting 3 from 3 this weekend.
No one putting their hand up so far. Headless Chooks chasing ass.
That 2nd qtr is one of the worst I've seen from blokes in our colours. They ran rings around us.
Negatives: dropped marks, kick and hopes landing in opponents arms, failing to stick tackles and a real lack of footy IQ re decision making. Absolutely shallacked out of the centre... sheesh, it was like a training drill for the Dawks out of the centre - goal after goal. Gave our defenders absolutely no chance.
Disappointing players: SPS, Ramsay, Newnes, Carroll and a few of the VFL listed boys. I'm not going to mention any of the defenders because no-one could defend the ease at which the ball was coming into the Dawks forward line. Kennedy battled hard, but...
We lost Durdin before the game started with a hammy issue. And we really missed the VFL boys Radovanovic and Wooller who are both out injured.
Positives - possibly grasping at straws! Honey early, Willo, Parks (though some terrible errors), Kemp got into the tempo the further the game went and his disposal by foot was a treat, Crocker working his @rse off.
Bottom line is that it looked like a bunch of kids against men who knew how to play the game.
And our lack of height was really telling also.
Lucky to be only 10 gls down... could easily have been much more such was the ease at which the Dawks were sharing it about and kicking goals.
...and the 3rd qtr starts with a Newnes c0ckup resulting in a Dawks goal... yep, 14th (to our 3!!!)
Fair to say this isn't going as planned.
...Ramsay c0ckup and another goal to the Dawks - they might kick 40 today. 15.8 to 3.5
I've had enough of this rubbish... time to do something more enjoyable, like sticking pins in my eyes!!!
One piece of positive info for everyone... our leading possession winner with 16 to the 18 minute mark of the 3rd is... Kemp! And he doesn't waste a disposal.
...Ramsay c0ckup and another goal to the Dawks - they might kick 40 today. 15.8 to 3.5
I've had enough of this rubbish... time to do something more enjoyable, like sticking pins in my eyes!!!
Keep a few spare. I might join you.
...Ramsay c0ckup and another goal to the Dawks - they might kick 40 today. 15.8 to 3.5
I've had enough of this rubbish... time to do something more enjoyable, like sticking pins in my eyes!!!
I have the Giants v Eagles on Kayo, so I can turn my attention away from the TV.
Positive is Kemp.....
The rest are negatives....
We need to inject some height into the list.. feel sorry for our defence and ruckman...
Just tuned in and wished I hadn't. Pathetic.
So according to the commentators - 14 unanswered goals. Clearances 34-16 at the moment.
Positive is Kemp.....
The rest are negatives....
We need to inject some height into the list.. feel sorry for our defence and ruckman...
Honey is going ok too.
Tom North goals! We are only 78 points behind now.
Commentators made an interesting point; Hawks are an inside team, and the Blues an outside team. Very true.
Crocker gets a gift free-kick and kicks truly. The Blue kick two in a minute.
Better than nothing but not much better. Just a joke of a performance really.
Off to watch a replay of something else. Let's hope the Blues can reduce it to toward 50 points.
Kemp needs some weight and running but his skills and nous are good.
Glad Ceglar and a few of the other Hawks didn't play seniors, is Jeka a rookie?
He should be in the seniors....
Just tuned in and wished I hadn't. Pathetic.
Ditto.
Boys against men.
Last quarter wasn't too bad, but the total lack of bigmen is really telling. We are being smashed in the middle. Simple as that.
Kennedy got a fair bit of ball.
Parks not having a good one.
Our disposal is letting us down - isn't that a surprise.
Depressing. Couldn’t stick a tackle, hit a target or spread with the intensity that’s needed.
No depth, no competition for spots despite Teague’s comments to the contrary.
Parks is more clueless than Plowman and that’s saying something. How can we recruit three players with as poor decision making as Plowman, Jones and Parks? Mind boggles.
Depressing. Couldn’t stick a tackle, hit a target or spread with the intensity that’s needed.
No depth, no competition for spots despite Teague’s comments to the contrary.
Parks is more clueless than Plowman and that’s saying something. How can we recruit three players with as poor decision making as Plowman, Jones and Parks? Mind boggles.
Ouch!
A tad harsh on Parks? Only 19 so he at least has time to improve. Williamson started off very cool under pressure but learned how to truly panic playing alongside Plow and Jones. Hope it doesn't infect Parks also.
Hawks are good and our VFL have been a bit injury hit - especially in the big men department.
A spanking not a huge surprise. Kemp getting through without injury was the big positive.
Ouch!
A tad harsh on Parks? Only 19 so he at least has time to improve. Williamson started off very cool under pressure but learned how to truly panic playing alongside Plow and Jones. Hope it doesn't infect Parks also.
Hawks are good and our VFL have been a bit injury hit - especially in the big men department.
A spanking not a huge surprise. Kemp getting through without injury was the big positive.
Yes a bit harsh, but very hard to watch
Honey, Williamson and Kemp the only players that showed something
Yes a bit harsh, but very hard to watch
Honey, Williamson and Kemp the only players that showed something
Agree....Kemp looks the goods but the layoff has left him thin looking and lacking a bit of pace.
He needs building up and we will have a very good player.
Honey should be in the seniors IMO, doesnt have to play 4 quarters just impact when he does get the footy and he can be a X factor player who kicks big goals and wins games.
Williamson needs a few more games in the VFL to show he has over come his fumbles and poor decision making.
Parks is raw and unsophisticated about how he plays the game at this stage and needs more work in the VFL to smooth out
his rough edges.
The commentators were saying that we fielded 11 afl listed players to hawthorn's 10. Most of ours are first and second year players though with exception of Newnes and Kennedy.
Of the rest the hawks had ceglar who dominated, and they had a lot more players that had played 30 or more games at this level than we did.
Tells the story well enough. They also said there were a few players playing for the hawks that had won flags be it at vfl or afl level.
Northern Bullants got slayed by 160 points...poor Josh Fraser has his work cut for him this season.
Well, that was three hours of my life I'll never get back :(
At least Kemp showed a bit. He will be playing in our AFL side before much longer.
Willo was OK but I think he got sucked into trying to do too much in the absence of genuine KPPs. I'm not sure who put together our VFL side but I hope they don't have a role with our list management.
gym and running for our youngsters,we need to find some STRONG bodies in our next recruits
gym and running for our youngsters,we need to find some STRONG bodies in our next recruits
Yes, it was men vs boys at the weekend, and even Kemp looked like a skinny.
Is Honey a possible replacement option for Gibbons? Are they similar types....playing similar roles?
Said it previously in other topic forums on here but our drafting/recruiting/trading for tall players has been woeful and the fact that we've got none playing in the VFL who are of any remote chance of playing in the AFL anytime soon suggests that.
I'm not sure who put together our VFL side but I hope they don't have a role with our list management.
They need to increase the cap. They can't compete with the division 1 suburban clubs.
Review | Carlton Reserves v Box Hill Hawks
Paul Sebastiani gives us the rundown after a very disappointing day for the Carlton Reserves. Interesting the bit about SPS.
https://youtu.be/3dknfmekCTI
SPS simply does not care ... pity
SPS simply does not care ... pity
Reckon our VFL mate is right and SPS has checked out and will want to head home, problem is his trade value wont be great given
his atrocious form. I thought Honey and Williamson would be the only ones you would pick to come back in, Kemp needs 3-5 more games to condition himself and get used to the speed of senior footy. Crocker wasnt bad given he was playing with a bunch of bananas and no hopers in the main and will still be a chance to be picked up next week by someone.
SPS simply does not care ... pity
Hasn't cared since the day he arrived.
Reckon our VFL mate is right and SPS has checked out and will want to head home, problem is his trade value wont be great given
his atrocious form. I thought Honey and Williamson would be the only ones you would pick to come back in, Kemp needs 3-5 more games to condition himself and get used to the speed of senior footy. Crocker wasnt bad given he was playing with a bunch of bananas and no hopers in the main and will still be a chance to be picked up next week by someone.
Spot on.
Fortunately WA clubs are fully aware of SPSs capabilities so, if traded, he will have some currency... not a huge amount considering the position he was taken at in the draft though. He really was given every opportunity, especially when moved to the midfield in the seniors... that was his opportunity to grasp, but he failed so now he has a few months in the Magoos unless something changes... big time.
Agree with Paul Sab. and his observations, especially that Kemp really did seem a step above the grade he was playing in. Like to see Honey given a go in the seniors... he did well given he had FA opportunities in a forward line that was starved.
SPS simply does not care ... pity
Well he rarely if ever displays any passion or intensity in his play. Always looks to me like he’s cruising and always has. I don’t think we can reasonably expect him to change. A luxury we can’t afford IMO, maybe he’d go ok under less pressure in a much better side than us, who knows?
Well he rarely if ever displays any passion or intensity in his play. Always looks to me like he’s cruising and always has. I don’t think we can reasonably expect him to change. A luxury we can’t afford IMO, maybe he’d go ok under less pressure in a much better side than us, who knows?
This kids hardly missed a beat since arriving, and fans just expect more and more from him than I believe he's got to deliver.
He's a good footballer, he might never be a match winner, but why should we expect it?
I remember fans saying / complaining as much about The Hyphen's laconic character, then he stitched up Brereton on GF day and became a legend! ;)
I remember fans saying / complaining as much about The Hyphen's laconic character, then he stitched up Brereton on GF day and became a legend! ;)
With all due respect LP, Rhys had just a wee, wee bit more mongrel. Still, as you suggest, still not ready to write this bloke off yet but his form needs to improve and maybe a run in the 2's will get the penny to drop. Watch this space.
With all due respect LP, Rhys had just a wee, wee bit more mongrel. Still, as you suggest, still not ready to write this bloke off yet but his form needs to improve and maybe a run in the 2's will get the penny to drop. Watch this space.
Different era
@rocky , but I do understand your frame of reference.
I can't work out with SPS if it's him or how he is used by the MC, fans should be a bit reticent to put all the blame on the player all the time.
Rhys and Petrevski Seton comparisons? Entirely different players. One was silk, the other cheap hessian
Rhys and Petrevski Seton comparisons? Entirely different players. One was silk, the other cheap hessian
Even so, many fans in the outer at PP use to go berserk because of the way The Hyphen use to appear like he was jogging at half pace everywhere! They judged the players intensity on appearances.
LP, I'm shaking my head mate. The spook was one of the finest natural footballers I've ever seen. He may have looked laconic at times (he made time slow down during play because he read the play brilliantly and was utterly unflustered under pressure), but the burning competitiveness and toughness - he is poles apart from SPS.
LP, I'm shaking my head mate. The spook was one of the finest natural footballers I've ever seen. He may have looked laconic at times (he made time slow down during play because he read the play brilliantly and was utterly unflustered under pressure), but the burning competitiveness and toughness - he is poles apart from SPS.
I'm not comparing SPS to The Hyphen, that is not my point, I'm demonstrating how appearances can deceive.
A lot of fans reckon SPS doesn't care, that he has no intensity, I doubt that is true for any player who debuts than plays the bulk of 3 straight seasons without being dropped!
Fwiw, it's the very same way they misjudged Gibbs.
For some reason a lot of fans think if you are not jumping around like a vibrator in a jam jar you aren't trying or don't care, it's a bullcrap perspective!
I have yet to see SPS really excite the crowd in any way - to me watching him is like.......well ED or even anejaculation is the best way I can think of putting it. Rhys was certainly laconic in his approach but there was always some excitement and brilliance when he was around, albeit in slow motion at times. ;D
trade sps and setters both slow and weak bodies and one paced i have seen enough
trade sps and setters both slow and weak bodies and one paced i have seen enough
If the Hawks trade Mitchell they may be interested in Setterfield, SPS to Fremantle is the most obvious choice. I personally don't think Mitchell is worth trading for - we need pace and foot skills rather than accumulators that don't hurt the opposition.
If the Hawks trade Mitchell they may be interested in Setterfield, SPS to Fremantle is the most obvious choice. I personally don't think Mitchell is worth trading for - we need pace and foot skills rather than accumulators that don't hurt the opposition.
Mitchell for nothing I would take, Mitchell for a mid 1st rounder which is what they will want isnt worth it IMO.
He doesnt chase, so his man will be loose like Cripps man so then you have problems...the game is quicker and Mitchell doesnt suit
the modern style IMO. He will still be handy as you need accumulators but we need class players who can use the ball well, I'd pay up for a 27 year old Pendlebury but not for a 27 year old Mitchell.
Mitchell for nothing I would take, Mitchell for a mid 1st rounder which is what they will want isnt worth it IMO.
He doesnt chase, so his man will be loose like Cripps man so then you have problems...the game is quicker and Mitchell doesnt suit
the modern style IMO. He will still be handy as you need accumulators but we need class players who can use the ball well, I'd pay up for a 27 year old Pendlebury but not for a 27 year old Mitchell.
I dont disagree, but players like Mitchell come into their own when its finals time.
If the Hawks trade Mitchell they may be interested in Setterfield, SPS to Fremantle is the most obvious choice. I personally don't think Mitchell is worth trading for - we need pace and foot skills rather than accumulators that don't hurt the opposition.
Mitchell can GAGF. He knocked us back when he had a chance to come, we aint a retirement village. StK will take him.
Front running flash in the pan ....
No.
Front running flash in the pan ....
No.
Harsh, great footballer, just not what we need. We need speed and kicking skills.
Just don't need another one in our ranks GTC ... s'all. Few years back? Yep
Just don't need another one in our ranks GTC ... s'all. Few years back? Yep
Agree, not what we need.
I have yet to see SPS really excite the crowd in any way - to me watching him is like.......well ED or even anejaculation is the best way I can think of putting it. Rhys was certainly laconic in his approach but there was always some excitement and brilliance when he was around, albeit in slow motion at times. ;D
The one things you did see from SPS as an U18 was highlights. He really did make the crowd take notice. He was a dynamic HFF who spent time in the midfield.
In some ways he has improved a lot, but we really don't get the run and carry from him, and he turns the ball over too often. You don't see any of that early magic.
I know there are people inside the club who really rate him, one being Eddie Betts, but I think he has plateaued. There doesn't seem to be the improvement that has happened in recent seasons. Nor is there the zest, the will to get out there and make something happen.
I hope Eddie Betts gets into SPS's ears and asks him the important question: does he really want to be here? And I hope the answer is 'yes', because then there is hope for him. But I am losing faith.
I know there are people inside the club who really rate him, one being Eddie Betts, but I think he has plateaued.
@crashlander Plateaued or Pigeonholed?
Samo’s first game in the twos wasn’t memorable but what I did like was his tackling. If you’re not getting the pill, you can still impact the game by tackling and Samo certainly did that.
If he continues to do that grunt work, and is played as a half forward/midfielder, he’ll force his way back into the AFL side.
Just wondering if SPS has dropped his bundle a bit after being moved to medical sub initially and then dropped. I reckon his game against Essendon when he came on as the sub to replace Dow was one of his better games...and he was played in the midfield...where he should be played. I was staggered that he was medical sub again the following week on the back of that performance and then dropped altogether.
On Mitchell, yep he's a quality player....has a Brownlow to his name....but watching that game last week, he might've got 40+ possessions but nowhere near as effective as someone like Walsh....not even remotely close. Got a lot of it but didn't impact the game IMO. A lot of handballs or chip kicks that don't punish the opposition. If he came cheap, then yep, worth having him.....but he's not worth giving up our first round pick for and paying a huge contract for.....for those terms I reckon there's a few others you'd go after before him.