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Title: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: crashlander on May 29, 2021, 11:14:54 am
No idea where this one will be played, but as long as it isn't Perth I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on May 29, 2021, 04:14:22 pm
Game is officially at the SCG now. We are staying in Sydney for a week.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: townsendcalling on May 29, 2021, 09:49:11 pm
Looks like Tim Kelly and Oscar Allen will be out injured…..
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on May 30, 2021, 10:00:51 am
Looks like Tim Kelly and Oscar Allen will be out injured…..

Yep. No Guv either. Nor Shuey.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/kelly-injury-hurts-eagles-top-four-hopes-c-2966748
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: crashlander on May 30, 2021, 07:38:10 pm
Doubt as to whether that will make a difference. Not the way we are playing.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 30, 2021, 07:41:16 pm
WC by 3-4 goals
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on May 30, 2021, 07:42:25 pm
WC by 3-4 goals
Now you are catching on. lol
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on May 30, 2021, 08:08:04 pm
WC by 3-4 goals

Pick the right team - playing Levi, TDK and Pitto - is beyond dumb.

Not to mention Levi's knee isn't going to fix with 1 game's rest. Not the big guy's fault!

But Weagles without Guv snr., Shuey, Tim Kelly and Allen.

Kelly has been their best this year.

Very winnable if we could be smart at the selection table for once....
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LP on May 30, 2021, 09:26:22 pm
I thought playing Levi worked OK, it allowed Jones and Weitering to concentrate on their task.

Levi wasn't bad, without having a lot of influence, we can see he is struggling physically.

De Koning should play every week.

I thought playing Gibbons burnt us a bit, he's out of form and it continued today, they have to snap him out of picking up the ball and allowing himself to be tackled, it kills momentum and delivers nothing to the team. Surrendering with the football is not a valid AFL level tactic, it's the same thing Dow does and its horrible habit to get into.

Cripps had a good game, but his mistakes are incredibly costly, too many unhindered disposals fail to find a or hit a target.

Not sure about our midfield tactic of handballing into free space ahead of team-mates, works OK when you have break-away pace, but in front of Ed, Cripps, Walsh at a stoppage is a losing tactic.

We need to find a way to have a big win, hanging by your fingernails every week is demoralising and exhausting, no wonder we tire, no wonder we fade. We have the talent, we need it to get vicious, unrelenting and arrogant!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 30, 2021, 09:40:11 pm
Pick the right team - playing Levi, TDK and Pitto - is beyond dumb.

Not to mention Levi's knee isn't going to fix with 1 game's rest. Not the big guy's fault!

But Weagles without Guv snr., Shuey, Tim Kelly and Allen.

Kelly has been their best this year.

Very winnable if we could be smart at the selection table for once....
They're above us on the ladder right? I'd just about put my house on a WC up to 24 pt margin.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LP on May 30, 2021, 09:41:58 pm
What is wrong with Saad, didn't look interested in chasing today, looked tired, looked slow, rest next week?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 30, 2021, 09:42:40 pm
What is wrong with Saad, didn't look interested in chasing today, looked tired, looked slow, rest next week?
His Carlton induction program is complete.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: shawny on May 30, 2021, 09:44:26 pm
They are a strong team competing to make the finals and while they are well below full strength they will have more then enough to get past a bottom like like us.
Eagles comfortably. Natanui Gaff Yeo will have a field day against our midfield.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 30, 2021, 10:16:19 pm
They are a strong team competing to make the finals and while they are well below full strength they will have more then enough to get past a bottom like like us.
Eagles comfortably. Natanui Gaff Yeo will have a field day against our midfield.
Walsh will need a big game as Cripps will have it hard vs Yeo......sneaky types like Gaff and Sheed need tagging, they get a lot of easy ball and are dangerous with their ball use.
I think its a game we can win given the Eagles are away from home and have plenty of talent out, Harry should have a big day given WC dont have a real tall defender, its more about whats going on at the other end with Kennedy, Darling, Ryan and crew.
Stop the supply and we win IMHO....
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on May 30, 2021, 10:33:25 pm
Reckon we're a show against them at the SCG (I knew we would NOT be today) as we have the pace.

But it will have all been too late.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 30, 2021, 11:09:11 pm
WC are one of the best ball using sides in the comp, we are at the other end of the scale. Kennedy, Darling up fwd will keep JW and Jones very busy.
Nic Nat wont play two average games in a row, short ground and he'll feast.
We cannot play Levi again surely.
I give us no chance, I've lost interest TBH.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on May 31, 2021, 07:45:38 am
No Kelly, Allen, Shuey, McGovern, Duggan, plus Yeo underdone. Playing away from Perth. I'd say this game is 50/50. SCG is the smallest AFL ground, which makes it harder for the Eagles to play their uncontested game. Not having a third tall for us to deal with means it's 2 on 2 in our D50. The Eagles seem to be in some kind of fallow period, and whilst you want to win because you are superior and not because of the other team's deficiencies, sometimes you take what you can.

Not super confident, but definitely more of a chance than the Swans game IMO.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: crashlander on May 31, 2021, 10:14:22 am
We can beat the Weagles. We have done reasonably well against them in the past. If we can control NicNat, that takes away their midfield control.
But, can we control NicNat?
Can we kick straight? Especially H?
Can we get the team balance right?
These are not impossible, but we need a bit better analysis than we have been showing.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 31, 2021, 10:15:44 am
We can beat the Weagles. We have done reasonably well against them in the past. If we can control NicNat, that takes away their midfield control.
But, can we control NicNat?
Can we kick straight? Especially H?
Can we get the team balance right?
These are not impossible, but we need a bit better analysis than we have been showing.
Actually didnt TDK do really well against him in a recent game?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: rocky on May 31, 2021, 10:24:15 am
Nic Nat is first ruck in the most overrated AFL side. TDK ahead of him every day of the week. More confident about this game than the Swans one, but then again, this is Carlton. Once again it will all come down to selection. Thankfully the Gibbons selection angst will not be an issue this week. Now if we can just lose Levi ......
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ianh on May 31, 2021, 10:49:41 am
Not sure WCE will only field the 2 talls.  If I was them I'd play Brander up forward to force Jones and Weitering to play on him and Kennedy thus leaving Darling a lesser matchup.  Only counter we would have would be to play Levi back but I don't like that in his current hobbled state.

I think either Casboult or Pittonet has to get dropped but one has to stay to give TDK a chop-out in the ruck.  I don't like the idea of anyone else in our squad doing that role.  Jones is needed down back, everyone else is either too small even as a chop-out (eg Kennedy) or too valuable to risk (eg McKay).  And what happens if TDK gets hurt or really chopped up?  I understand that you can't run too many big guys in the one team, but I believe in the principle of having a second player who you can step into the ruck even if only to give a real contest if the first ruck goes down 2 minutes into Q1 and someone to give them a brief chop-out in that event.  I call this the chief/relief/brief combination.  Obviously the brief has to be able to earn their keep in a different primary role and the relief ideally same or at least be able to contribute in another role eg key position.  A fit Casboult does that, Pittonet doesn't and TDK is a work in progress as a forward even more so than as a ruck.  Jones is also able to ruck and showed quite a lot in the 2s at the time of his renaisance but he is too necessary in defence at least at the moment, especially against teams that have at least 2 genuine tall forwards if not 3.  A returning McGovern or McDonald, an up to speed Kemp or maybe a mideseason draft pick-up might open up Jones, as might a fit Cas, but they might be as good up forward or filling in as ruck and leaving Jones in defence.

This week we can do one of two things - minimalist changes or major shake-up.  To date this year I have been taking the minimalist changes approach (not as minimalist as the match committee prior to this week) but this week I would be open to more of a shakeup.  But without details of the performances in the scratch match it is a bit hard to know who might warrant the call-up.  I doubt Kemp is yet ready, and Fisher will probably need a run in the 2s (out for a similar time to Martin and I think we all saw Jack needed a run in the 2s) but Dow, Honey, Kennedy, Newnes, O'Brien, Parks and SPS might all come into consideration.  Who to go out?  Gibbons a given, Casboult, Cottrell, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield, Owies all a chance to be dropped.  I'd be tempted to give Owies another week and further to my above ruck comments keep one off Casboult or Pittonet - if his knee is up to it I'd keep Casboult and drop Pittonet.  Let TDK pit his athleticism against the benchkmark - Pitt would be slaughtered.  So something like:

Saad              Jones       Weitering
Newman        JSOS         Williams
Docherty      Cripps          Walsh
Fogarty       Casboult      Martin
Betts              McKay       Owies
TDK              Stocker     E Curnow
Best 5 from
(incoming)  Dow, Honey, Kennedy, Newnes, O'Brien, Parks and SPS
(reprieved) Cottrell, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield
My stab (given I know nothing of the performances in the scratch match)
Dow, Honey, Parks, SPS / Kennedy as injury sub (can cover multiple roles).
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on May 31, 2021, 10:55:39 am
I read that Nic Nat only played 70% game time, and Cornes reckons he's not fit enough. If true, another thing that will help us.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: tonyo on May 31, 2021, 11:01:24 am
I read that Nic Nat only played 70% game time, and Cornes reckons he's not fit enough. If true, another thing that will help us.

It's a sad moment when the first thing you find yourself checking each week is who will be missing for the opposition.....

Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on May 31, 2021, 11:06:56 am
I read that Nic Nat only played 70% game time, and Cornes reckons he's not fit enough. If true, another thing that will help us.

In his 70% game time he managed 20 touches, 40 hitouts (17 to advantage!), 7 clearances, 6 tackles, 6 intercept, 4 inside 50, and 17 pressure acts.

He's fit enough to break you!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on May 31, 2021, 11:07:30 am
I'm sure we will be outstanding for 85% of the game again, probably alot better than the opposition as usual. That 10-15% decides the outcome given we collapse for patches like a house of cards. Get away with it against sides that aren't real good, like Hawthorn, Essendon etc, but not against good sides.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on May 31, 2021, 11:08:01 am
In his 70% game time he managed 20 touches, 40 hitouts (17 to advantage!), 7 clearances, 6 tackles, 6 intercept, 4 inside 50, and 17 pressure acts.

He's fit enough to break you!

That'd do it.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on May 31, 2021, 11:08:31 am
It's a sad moment when the first thing you find yourself checking each week is who will be missing for the opposition.....

It's not a thing I check for as such. I just noticed the story whilst reading the AFL section on SEN. It may or may not be sad, but we need to accept the reality of our situation. In 3 months time, people won't be remembering whether Nic Nat was Fic Fat. They will remember whether we won or lost.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: shawny on May 31, 2021, 11:21:05 am
It's a sad moment when the first thing you find yourself checking each week is who will be missing for the opposition.....


So true.

I think we all know deep inside we can’t beat any but the bottom 4 sides so any advantages we can get with the rest of the teams give us a little extra confidence pre game.

Many on here wont admit it but the reality is we are still miles off the better teams and are still happy to hang their hat in honourable losses as they use their positive mindset with these losses to easily be able to convert them to wins with just a few tweaks in gameplan, one new coach or with getting player A back from injury.

Thing is we have been saying that since the rebuild started 6 years ago.

Had 4 games this year against top 8 teams and lost every single time.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: tonyo on May 31, 2021, 11:40:46 am
It's not a thing I check for as such. I just noticed the story whilst reading the AFL section on SEN. It may or may not be sad, but we need to accept the reality of our situation. In 3 months time, people won't be remembering whether Nic Nat was Fic Fat. They will remember whether we won or lost.

Not commenting on you, PaulP - I do the same thing.  I was just opining that the fact I go to the injuries list for our next few opponents speaks volumes about the level of confidence I have that we can get the job done.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Shakin77 on May 31, 2021, 02:25:01 pm
Did we get the full squad away?   Or are we limited in who we pick from?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: RiverRat on May 31, 2021, 06:40:48 pm
I can't see the point in listing Murphy as the Injury sub - other than helping him increase his tally of games - I can't see him adding much in that role -
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on May 31, 2021, 06:47:49 pm
I can't see the point in listing Murphy as the Injury sub - other than helping him increase his tally of games - I can't see him adding much in that role -
I can.

He might be carrying a niggle. It gives him a rest or sorts.

He'll be full of run if/when he gets on and offers up an extra gear we can add to our (most likely) tiring midfield at the time.

He can't play full games in the middle. He isn't exactly dominating up forward and/or we have a few more blokes we'd prefer to play there.

But yes, it does get him to 300.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 01, 2021, 09:45:46 pm
Fish available this week (at some level).
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 01, 2021, 10:47:00 pm
Fish available this week (at some level).
Might need a VFL game or two, Martins comeback was underwhelming after his layoff..
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: enz on June 03, 2021, 12:32:23 pm
Remember Martin burst through the centre and his kick went 20 metres to the side.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: crashlander on June 03, 2021, 01:37:28 pm
Fisher has to start in the 2nds.
Charlie Curnow has to start in the 2nds.
Martin should have started in the 2nds.

Newman started in the 2nds! It worked!
So did Tom de Koning!

It makes sense!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: DJC on June 03, 2021, 04:17:05 pm
Fisher has to start in the 2nds.
Charlie Curnow has to start in the 2nds.
Martin should have started in the 2nds.

Newman started in the 2nds! It worked!
So did Tom de Koning!

It makes sense!

Absolutely Crash!

With the probable exception of Charlie, none of our returning players, including Martin, are good enough to walk straight into the 22.

In Charlie's, I'd say that a game or two in the reserves should be part of his rehab/conditioning.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: WASurfer on June 03, 2021, 05:12:19 pm
Just reading that WCE might lose up to 4 players this week from injuries last week.....including Kelly and Allen. That's on top of blokes already out like McGovern, Shuey etc.  If there was ever a chance for us to salvage something and win a critical game, it's this week.

Drop this and season officially over.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 03, 2021, 05:37:42 pm
Just reading that WCE might lose up to 4 players this week from injuries last week.....including Kelly and Allen. That's on top of blokes already out like McGovern, Shuey etc.  If there was ever a chance for us to salvage something and win a critical game, it's this week.

Drop this and season officially over.
We are listed as favourites
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 03, 2021, 06:21:50 pm
In Newnes Parks Dow Fisher
Out Gibbons

Them
Out Kennedy Kelly Allen Brander Ah Chee

That'll help
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 03, 2021, 06:24:34 pm
Carlton by 50 against the West Coast reserves.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 03, 2021, 06:27:08 pm
Carlton by 50 against the West Coast reserves.
lol
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: WASurfer on June 03, 2021, 06:28:30 pm
Crikey that's some decent outs.....no Kennedy or Allen really only leaves them with Darling as the key forward with Bailey Williams in support....and Brander takes some height away too. Although Vardy comes in....he got the preferential treatment for Eagles players when they're playing in the WAFL....guilty of striking but not rubbed out....par for the course
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 03, 2021, 06:33:34 pm
Interchange.....
[3] Marc Murphy,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[41] Levi Casboult,
[26] Luke Parks,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[32] Jack Newnes,
[8] Lachie Fogarty

4 stay in.
1 is sub
3 go out
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: WASurfer on June 03, 2021, 06:35:13 pm
Can't see Casboult holding his spot this week. Setterfield done SFA....maybe Fisher misses out for another week?....leaving perhaps Murphy as the Medical Sub again?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: townsendcalling on June 03, 2021, 06:36:13 pm
Matt Kennedy should have nominated for the mid season draft!! Let someone else love him….because we certainly don’t!!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on June 03, 2021, 06:36:48 pm
Backs:Liam Stocker Liam Jones Nic Newman

Half-backs:Adam Saad Jacob Weitering Zac Williams

Centreline:Sam Docherty Patrick Cripps Matthew Cottrell

Half-forwards:Jack Martin Harry McKay Matthew Owies

Forwards:Eddie Betts Tom De Koning Jack Silvagni

Followers:Marc Pittonet Sam Walsh Ed Curnow

Interchange:Levi Casboult Paddy Dow Zac Fisher Lachie Fogarty
Marc Murphy Jack Newnes Luke Parks Will Setterfield.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 03, 2021, 06:47:16 pm
Backs:Liam Stocker Liam Jones Nic Newman

Half-backs:Adam Saad Jacob Weitering Zac Williams

Centreline:Sam Docherty Patrick Cripps Matthew Cottrell

Half-forwards:Jack Martin Harry McKay Matthew Owies

Forwards:Eddie Betts Tom De Koning Jack Silvagni

Followers:Marc Pittonet Sam Walsh Ed Curnow

Interchange:Levi Casboult Paddy Dow Zac Fisher Lachie Fogarty
(sub) Marc Murphy Jack Newnes Luke Parks Will Setterfield
If it were up to me.
PS Williams Martin Cottrell Fogarty on notice
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 03, 2021, 06:49:41 pm
Eagles are fielding half a team, lost JK too...this is our best chance to get a win given they are so weak and I reckon it puts more pressure on David Teague. Lose this and the phone to a few other coaches managers will start ringing..
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Lods on June 03, 2021, 06:50:23 pm
They're tanking :o



Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: townsendcalling on June 03, 2021, 06:53:09 pm
In: Dow, Parks, Fogarty, Setterfield

Bye Bye Levi, Newnes,   Play "Kick to Kick': Fisher    Medical sub: Murphy
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 03, 2021, 06:54:37 pm
Interchange.....
[3] Marc Murphy,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[41] Levi Casboult,
[26] Luke Parks,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[32] Jack Newnes,
[8] Lachie Fogarty

4 stay in.
1 is sub
3 go out


For mine....
IN: Fogarty
Newnes
Dow
Setterfield

SUB: Murphy

OUT: Casboult
Fisher
Parks
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 03, 2021, 06:55:31 pm
Eagles are fielding half a team, lost JK too...this is our best chance to get a win given they are so weak and I reckon it puts more pressure on David Teague. Lose this and the phone to a few other coaches managers will start ringing..
Beware of a team with lots of young kids. Enthusiasm can win you games you shouldn't.......and the eagles shouldn't win this one.

It'll also be hard to work out how they will play with so many changes. Past trends may not apply.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 03, 2021, 06:55:39 pm
Eagles are fielding half a team, lost JK too...this is our best chance to get a win given they are so weak and I reckon it puts more pressure on David Teague. Lose this and the phone to a few other coaches managers will start ringing..
These are exactly the types of games we lose. They have many outs, are away from their fortress, coming of a loss. But, they are above us on the ladder which we seem to be able to turn into the biggest obstacle of all.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 03, 2021, 07:07:35 pm
These are exactly the types of games we lose. They have many outs, are away from their fortress, coming of a loss. But, they are above us on the ladder which we seem to be able to turn into the biggest obstacle of all.

The doomsayer in me thinks we will dominate every single facet of the game and every statistical indicator, but kick 3.20 to 6.3 and lose by a point.

But really, we should win by 4 goals +.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 03, 2021, 07:13:43 pm
Easy for me ... Setterfield, Parks and Newnes must not be given a game.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 03, 2021, 07:16:39 pm
Easy for me ... Setterfield, Parks and Newnes must not be given a game.
SO by default, Casboult plays.

Why?

For me i worked backwards.
Casboult is offering us nothing, out.
Fisher should play a week in the 2's, out.
Parks hasn't been doing much in the 2's, out.

Of the rest, Murphy can have the most impact as sub and get the most benefit from the rest. Sub.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: rocky on June 03, 2021, 07:38:15 pm
Only concentrating on the interchange, so for me it would be;

INTERCHANGE
Dow
Fogarty
Newnes and .......
Fisher - I know it's too early but F%$# it. Too many spuds are getting games who have half his upside. (Cottrell on his last chance)

OUTS
Casboult - Please God, stop torturing me.
Setterfield - Should never have been picked in the first place based on what I saw in the 2's and IMO had about 10 good mins in the game last Sunday
Parks - No rush to bring him back in and really we don't need him for this game. Let him build a bit in the VFL.

SUB : Murphy
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 03, 2021, 08:19:12 pm
SO by default, Casboult plays.

Why?

For me i worked backwards.
Casboult is offering us nothing, out.
Fisher should play a week in the 2's, out.
Parks hasn't been doing much in the 2's, out.

Of the rest, Murphy can have the most impact as sub and get the most benefit from the rest. Sub.

Height
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: shawny on June 03, 2021, 10:10:32 pm
They would be the weakest team in the comp based on who they are fielding this week - no excuses will save us if we lose this one.

Surely for once we can get an early lead and enjoy a comfortable win.

If we are even half the team we should be we will win this by 6 plus goals.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 03, 2021, 10:22:21 pm
They would be the weakest team in the comp based on who they are fielding this week - no excuses will save us if we lose this one.

Surely for once we can get an early lead and enjoy a comfortable win.

If we are even half the team we should be we will win this by 6 plus goals.


Nearly all in our favour we hope ...
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 03, 2021, 10:25:53 pm
These are exactly the types of games we lose. They have many outs, are away from their fortress, coming of a loss. But, they are above us on the ladder which we seem to be able to turn into the biggest obstacle of all.
This is one we should win and win well, they have key players out everywhere and kids that most of us wouldnt even have seen before. Midfield is still decent but both their back line and forward line are missing key players, Harry to kick a bundle and Walsh BOG. I agree we are so unreliable you are never sure but this is a very important game for the coach and if the players want him coaching next year then they need to win this game.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Rick on June 03, 2021, 11:47:42 pm
With all those eagles players out we will still bloody well loose
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on June 04, 2021, 11:28:43 am
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.

Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.



Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LP on June 04, 2021, 11:35:13 am
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates.
Makes a big difference having General or dozen out there, not a sheep to be seen!

People focus on the stars, but for me Brad Pearce was the guy who made the most that season, I think he had 7 shots in the GF, not bad as a medium forward. Mind you Williams had 8, but we are talking a different class of player there.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on June 04, 2021, 11:37:53 am
Makes a big difference having General or dozen out there, not a sheep to be seen!

Certainly does.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 11:45:24 am
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.

Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.




Correction, there was nothing individual about that team, they were a Champion Team as well as a Team of Champions. Coached themselves virtually (Parkin's words not mine), I doubt I will ever see a Carlton side like that again in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LP on June 04, 2021, 11:48:39 am
Coached themselves virtually (Parkin's words not mine),
This is the key difference between our current team and Nthmond's, and our current club culture and Nthmond's.

I suppose it's easy to identify and hard to replicate, but it's clearly been our problem for Carlton for some time now, and I think it's a big part of why we never have massive wins.

You can be as keen as mustard, but if your solution to the problem is to sprint to the coach at 1/4-time and ask "How do we fix it boss?" your team is going nowhere. Nthmond see a momentum swing 5mins into the Qtr, and 30s later guys like Cotchin, Dusty, Grimes, Riewoldt and Rance are doing something about it! Dimma gets some credit for this, he saw a bunch of fathead assistants getting in the way of the good footballers he had on the list and gave the assistants the ar5e!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 12:02:12 pm
This is the key difference between our current team and Nthmond's, and our current club culture and Nthmond's.

I suppose it's easy to identify and hard to replicate, but it's clearly been our problem for Carlton for some time now, and I think it's a big part of why we never have massive wins.

You can be as keen as mustard, but if your solution to the problem is to sprint to the coach at 1/4-time and ask "How do we fix it boss?" your team is going nowhere. Nthmond see a momentum swing 5mins into the Qtr, and 30s later guys like Cotchin, Dusty, Grimes, Riewoldt and Rance are doing something about it! Dimma gets some credit for this, he saw a bunch of fathead assistants getting in the way of the good footballers he had on the list and gave the assistants the ar5e!
Let the cobblers cobble huh? Also interesting is how far the input from players at Rich has spread. I hear that lesser likes such as Castagna and Edwards have great footy brains and make alot of calls/changes on field. Again, credit to Dimma for instilling this liberty on them. I do see Cripps attempting to direct traffic and call plays at bounces and stoppages. I see SOS And Eddie doing it abit in the fwd line, but thats about it. Most of our blokes are like hatchlings in a nest looking up beak open waiting for a feed.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: tonyo on June 04, 2021, 12:50:17 pm
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.

Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.




I remember that game well, I was standing behind the goals at the Lygon St end - even more interesting, it came immediately after our two worst games for the season (the only 2 we lost).  They fronted up against Hawthorn and absolutely steamrolled them, 15 more wins after that  including the flag.

Sometimes, a line in the sand game can snowball into a run of top performances (crosses fingers for Sunday and beyond...)
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: pew2 on June 04, 2021, 01:11:50 pm
we are expected to win /expectations carry's a lot of weight and good side take that pressure and perform or rise to occasion . No excuses this week.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2021, 01:21:50 pm
Let the cobblers cobble huh? Also interesting is how far the input from players at Rich has spread. I hear that lesser likes such as Castagna and Edwards have great footy brains and make alot of calls/changes on field. Again, credit to Dimma for instilling this liberty on them. I do see Cripps attempting to direct traffic and call plays at bounces and stoppages. I see SOS And Eddie doing it abit in the fwd line, but thats about it. Most of our blokes are like hatchlings in a nest looking up beak open waiting for a feed.
Matty Wright was a big voice for us on the field especially organizing the forwards as was Daisy, when you look at what Wright gave us and what we have got out of some of these mega recruits it makes me angry. Big dollars and draft picks but a delisted free agent like Wright gave us way more and most weeks was a decent contributor.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: WASurfer on June 04, 2021, 01:39:07 pm
EB....I'd put Newnes in that category too. Cost us nothing and was solid, without being spectacular, in pretty much every game last year.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2021, 02:02:18 pm
EB....I'd put Newnes in that category too. Cost us nothing and was solid, without being spectacular, in pretty much every game last year.
Yep..I'm not anti Newnes and Kruds boy has given us what we paid for, I think he is good for 15-20 possies each week and the odd goal and is/was holding the fort on the wing until we get something better.
Krud did suggest we dont really have any specialist wingers that have shown anything and its a position we need to fill....some merit in that call. I like a tall winger  on one wing and a pacy one on the other.
As I said in a previous post we seem to throw failed or surplus players from other positions on the wing and maybe we have undervalued those spots as Krud suggested.
Prof E made a good call on Lachie Sholl from the Crows when he was up for grabs but we ignored him and he is exactly what we needed on one wing with pace, good kicking and he can find plenty of ball, real shame seeing him in Crows Colours given he had a connection to us via his father being an ex player.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: WASurfer on June 04, 2021, 02:28:17 pm
I had Setterfield pegged as a tall wingman type but he's shown nothing really IMO. I'd have Newnes in the team before him. I wonder if they think Boyd is an option on the wing....which would likely mean LOB has had his papers stamped too. We seem to have an over-supply of small/medium half back types on the books.....Saad, Docherty, Newman, Williamson....Docherty has been okay when playing up the field a bit but his turnovers in recent weeks have killed us. I look at someone like Andrew Gaff and see a specialist wingman type.....good user of the ball and plays between the arcs.

Newnes hit the scoreboard pretty regularly too last year.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LP on June 04, 2021, 02:40:06 pm
I had Setterfield pegged as a tall wingman type but he's shown nothing really IMO. I'd have Newnes in the team before him.
Setterfield is an inside mid, his best games have all been as a mid, until Ed retires we probably won't see much of that again.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 02:44:39 pm
we are expected to win /expectations carry's a lot of weight and good side take that pressure and perform or rise to occasion . No excuses this week.
There will be excuses alright.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 02:45:44 pm
Matty Wright was a big voice for us on the field especially organizing the forwards as was Daisy, when you look at what Wright gave us and what we have got out of some of these mega recruits it makes me angry. Big dollars and draft picks but a delisted free agent like Wright gave us way more and most weeks was a decent contributor.
Exactly, hence my "lesser likes" comment earlier. Big dollars can sometimes buy you big problems.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 02:52:17 pm
Setterfield is an inside mid, his best games have all been as a mid, until Ed retires we probably won't see much of that again.

Lol
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Blue Moon on June 04, 2021, 03:07:48 pm
Looking at their side they are not overly tall either front or back. Can't see the point of playing Casboult. I would be choosing Setterfield, Fisher, Fogarty and Dow, with Murphy on the bench. Settrefield is interesting. I think that if they could get the mid-field balance right he would take a lot of pressure of Cripps. Cripps has certainly played better since Setterfield returned. Might only be a coincident. I didn't mind Casboult playing down back as I thought he could allow Jones in particular to peal off and become an intercept player. Unfortunately Casboult really didn't get in the game and I am not sure there is a spot for him We haven't really improved in the second half of a season for a long time. A win against the eagles would be good start of changing that. They have a pretty good midfield so if we can match them in there and slow their entries into the forward line then we have a good chance to win. I actually like our side this week. I would like to see Kennedy, SPS and O'Brien in there as well.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2021, 03:13:01 pm
I've never understood the hate for Setterfield to be honest.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2021, 03:24:44 pm
I've never understood the hate for Setterfield to be honest.
Dont think its hate, more disappointment...was picked up to be the bigger mid support for Cripps but doesnt have the
appetite for the hard contest and has been guilty of removing himself from contact situations.
Thats ok if you are getting the ball 30 plus times a game and you kick like an arrow to your teammates but he doesnt get real big numbers and isnt an influential player who will win you games. Probably done his best work on a wing or tagging but thats not what we got him for and he sits in that group of players who are handy Indians but wont ever be a Chief.

Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 03:28:51 pm
I've never understood the hate for Setterfield to be honest.
As EB said, not hate, disappointment. I refer to that Mongrel Punt link posted the other day, the author stated we have too many players that either arent AFL standard or are just happy being AFL players. I reckon Setterfield sits in the latter category. No sense of urgency, doesnt over extend himself, just meanders along happy to be getting a game.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 04, 2021, 03:48:34 pm
A cheap penny bunger rather than a grenade.  Can't wait to see the back of him
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: WASurfer on June 04, 2021, 03:50:34 pm
I was in favour of selecting Casboult last week to play back and essentially just clog up their forward line but it wasn't really their talls that did the damage in the end. It's a very small ground and out of the middle you usually just bypass CHF altogether. Darling will be their target this week and one of Jones or Weitering can pick him up. They might choose to play Williams forward AND Vardy as backup ruck. I think a better option is someone like Parks to go to Waterman who'll essentially be their third tall. Parks not in the greatest of form but without Plowman, strangely, it does limit our options a bit. Liam Ryan is the danger....he hasn't had a huge amount of impact in recent weeks but hard to see the perfect match up for him either.....maybe Stocker gets that job?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2021, 04:24:11 pm
I was in favour of selecting Casboult last week to play back and essentially just clog up their forward line but it wasn't really their talls that did the damage in the end. It's a very small ground and out of the middle you usually just bypass CHF altogether. Darling will be their target this week and one of Jones or Weitering can pick him up. They might choose to play Williams forward AND Vardy as backup ruck. I think a better option is someone like Parks to go to Waterman who'll essentially be their third tall. Parks not in the greatest of form but without Plowman, strangely, it does limit our options a bit. Liam Ryan is the danger....he hasn't had a huge amount of impact in recent weeks but hard to see the perfect match up for him either.....maybe Stocker gets that job?
I wouldnt play Parks, think he would be a liability given his previous form in the VFL, Stocker isnt that great overhead so I'm not sure I would want him on leaping Liam either.
I think you are right on Williams and Vardy, they will want to tie up Jones or Weitering having to play on a taller player and might also want the option of a tall down back clogging up Harry's space.
Weiterings intercept marking will come under notice and I can see them trying to drag him out of play and play a decoy tall type to do that.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on June 04, 2021, 05:11:32 pm
Official;

In: Dow, Fisher.

Our: Casboult (omitted), Gibbons (inj), Fogarty (managed).

Murphy is in just too after being 23rd man last week
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: tonyo on June 04, 2021, 05:13:36 pm
I've never understood the hate for Setterfield to be honest.
I've never understood the hate for Setterfield to be honest.

Nor me, in fact, I thought he was ok last week.

Some players are a slow burn, and it's easy to forget he came to us having played only a handful of games (he hasn't hit 50 yet).  I'm still quietly confident he can turn into a really solid mid.

Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: townsendcalling on June 04, 2021, 05:23:12 pm
Looking through the WCE line up.......there are still some very handy, experienced players taking the park on Sunday!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2021, 05:28:02 pm
Looking through the WCE line up.......there are still some very handy, experienced players taking the park on Sunday!

Definitely not a game to take lightly or get complacent - for fans, coaches and players.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2021, 05:51:17 pm
No excuses, this is a weak, light on for size WC team and if we cant beat them easily then we have real problems.
Thought they might have played a couple more talls, maybe they just want to give the kids a go and have given up on the idea of winning. Thought they might have played Connor West who was their mid season rookie pick up, tough mid in the Priddis mould, maybe the CoVid rules prevented that happening.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: WASurfer on June 04, 2021, 06:10:28 pm
EB.....reckon West will get a game in the seniors before too long. Son of the legendary Robbie West. Watched the Perth v West Perth game a couple of weeks ago and he's a hard at it midfielder. He was granted approval to move from West Perth to play for the WCE side in the WAFL.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 04, 2021, 06:19:51 pm
EB.....reckon West will get a game in the seniors before too long. Son of the legendary Robbie West. Watched the Perth v West Perth game a couple of weeks ago and he's a hard at it midfielder. He was granted approval to move from West Perth to play for the WCE side in the WAFL.
Watched his highlights and he is a tough kid, not pretty but like Priddis will go all day getting the footy. Wouldnt have minded him on our list as he is that real meat and spuds type and one for the WC fans to enjoy IMHO.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 04, 2021, 07:01:01 pm
Official;

In: Dow, Fisher.

Our: Casboult (omitted), Gibbons (inj), Fogarty (managed).

Murphy is in just too after being 23rd man last week

So the previous couple of pages have been about why we should win, no excuses etc.

Then the teams come out and we play 1 guy out of form and 1 guy who hasn't played for 10 weeks.

....excuses starting to present themselves without even trying.

Personally i would've brought Newnes in this week as we need consistent output. I'm not sure we'll get that with Martin and Fisher just in after a long layout and Murphy seems out of touch too. Add in Dow who is far from consistent....and there is a lot of potential for players to go missing. If they all go missing at once.....we're in trouble.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: rocky on June 04, 2021, 07:27:55 pm
50/50 on this. Happy they've included Dow and Fish. Re Fish : As I said earlier "I know it's too early but F%$# it. Too many spuds are getting games who have half his upside. (Cottrell on his last chance)"
Happy Levi has finally been given the chop.
Cannot believe Setterfield gets another life. Fogarty or Newnes for me.
Saw Murph on the news tonight and he didn't sound real happy AT ALL about his axing the week before (who does really). Could this be a make or break game for him??
Overall, and in comparison to previous weeks selections, this is a marked improvement.
Unless Setterfield plays the game of his life he will be next to go.
Based on the changes, I'm actually feeling a bit more confident?? Can't believe I'm saying that.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 07:58:44 pm
50/50 on this. Happy they've included Dow and Fish. Re Fish : As I said earlier "I know it's too early but F%$# it. Too many spuds are getting games who have half his upside. (Cottrell on his last chance)"
Happy Levi has finally been given the chop.
Cannot believe Setterfield gets another life. Fogarty or Newnes for me.
Saw Murph on the news tonight and he didn't sound real happy AT ALL about his axing the week before (who does really). Could this be a make or break game for him??
Overall, and in comparison to previous weeks selections, this is a marked improvement.
Unless Setterfield plays the game of his life he will be next to go.
Based on the changes, I'm actually feeling a bit more confident?? Can't believe I'm saying that.
I'd tell Dow that he and Walsh need to work together literally side by side all day. Feed each the the footy and use their running power to advantage.
Saw Murph sook it up on the news, a little disappointing to be honest. In one breath he he says no one is entitled to games and in the next breath, he says how loyal he's been and how miffed he was at getting dropped. Poor form from a senior player IMO.
Agree also with all the rest, Setters MUST extract the digit.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 04, 2021, 08:08:42 pm
Way to shorten a career Murphy ... you fool. 
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: JonDorotich on June 04, 2021, 08:32:50 pm
Murphy’s comment that he believes that he deserves a game based on his loyal service is pathetic and I’d be letting him know in no uncertain terms that if he doesn’t crack in like his life depends on it, he won’t be getting to 300.

Petulant and pathetic and it’s no surprise that we haven’t had any success under the Murphy Gibbs reign.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 04, 2021, 08:41:43 pm
@Spanner will be spitting chips over that one, as well he should.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 08:44:25 pm
@Spanner will be spitting chips over that one, as well he should.
Ive been a Murphy fan but that was very disappointing I must say. There are a few stories going around about players not being happy, Fish, SPS, now Murphy.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Thryleon on June 04, 2021, 08:53:55 pm
Ive been a Murphy fan but that was very disappointing I must say. There are a few stories going around about players not being happy, Fish, SPS, now Murphy.

Id love to know what they aren't happy about.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2021, 09:02:38 pm
What did Murphy actually say ?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 04, 2021, 09:50:56 pm
What did Murphy actually say ?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1400737787662376965

"Spose football you dont really deserve anything um as much as what Ive sort of feel Ive been a pretty loyal servant to the footy club...last weekend I was pretty frustrated..I think anyone who's played a lot of football...and to be left out of the side would feel the same way..its a natural thing to feel"

Yes Marc, however dont air dirty laundry, cop your medicine and move on. You aren't above criticism.

if I was the coach, I'd say to him "have another week son".
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2021, 10:05:59 pm
https://twitter.com/i/status/1400737787662376965


Good work Nando. Thanks. I don't think there's much in it :
1. He was frustrated about being dropped (most players would be, let alone someone who gets dropped for the first time after 290 odd games)
2. Said there are no guarantees in football, even for someone who has been loyal to the footy club like him.

I'm pretty sure that footage was edited, and I'd like to see the whole thing.

There might be something in it, but based on that, 50/50 at best IMO.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: northernblue on June 04, 2021, 10:14:24 pm
Too many high jumpers and shadows methinks…
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 04, 2021, 10:34:50 pm
Too many high jumpers and shadows methinks…

Gibbs' last season with us was 2017. 2018 was the worst season in our history. Now, I'm not in any way suggesting causation, but I don't think it's coincidence either. There's a number of forces, decisions, events etc., that made 2018 what it was, but Gibbs leaving was certainly one.

Having been on these forums for 15+ years, it's quite obvious to me that supporters are rarely in the best position to judge which players are valuable, what goes on behind the scenes etc. They have players they don't like (a position always reached by simple, objective observation  8)) , and they interpret situations accordingly.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 04, 2021, 10:46:27 pm
Bit of an unintended insult to those who have decades of knowledge and support of the club, don't you think?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Milhanna13 on June 04, 2021, 10:50:52 pm
I remember that game well, I was standing behind the goals at the Lygon St end - even more interesting, it came immediately after our two worst games for the season (the only 2 we lost).  They fronted up against Hawthorn and absolutely steamrolled them, 15 more wins after that  including the flag.

Sometimes, a line in the sand game can snowball into a run of top performances (crosses fingers for Sunday and beyond...)

God I miss those days.  3 goals down at half time...  not a problem...  1000% confident we’ll be up by 4 goals by 3/4 time....esp if we are kicking to heatley end
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 05, 2021, 08:58:25 am
Murphy should be grateful he got back in for doing nothing unlike SPS.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Lods on June 05, 2021, 09:15:19 am
Id love to know what they aren't happy about.

It's a big unknown.
Are they really unhappy?
How are the players connecting off-field?
Are there divisions between the group...little cliques. (older v younger, possibles v probables, longer at the club v newer)
You can understand a fair bit of unhappiness around the fringes.
Some players being given games when others think it should be their spot.
How is that manifesting itself in terms of dynamics around the club.
It doesn't seem that obvious on field.
Players seem to get around one another after goals, or console others who make mistakes.
But who knows?
If such divisions exist it could be a factor in some of the inconsistent performances.


Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 05, 2021, 10:10:36 am
It's a big unknown.
Are they really unhappy?
How are the players connecting off-field?
Are there divisions between the group...little cliques. (older v younger, possibles v probables, longer at the club v newer)
You can understand a fair bit of unhappiness around the fringes.
Some players being given games when others think it should be their spot.
How is that manifesting itself in terms of dynamics around the club.
It doesn't seem that obvious on field.
Players seem to get around one another after goals, or console others who make mistakes.
But who knows?
If such divisions exist it could be a factor in some of the inconsistent performances.



Comes back to culture, tail wagging the dog so to speak. If feel like a broken record but successful teams have players who do whatever the coaches asks without dropping the bottom lip.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: DJC on June 05, 2021, 11:14:02 am
Too many high jumpers and shadows methinks…

Absolutely!

I would be very disappointed if Murphy wasn’t disappointed about being dropped.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 05, 2021, 11:16:52 am
Absolutely!

I would be very disappointed if Murphy wasn’t disappointed about being dropped.
Exactly what i was going to say. Shows he still has a passion for competing!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 05, 2021, 11:24:40 am
Exactly what i was going to say. Shows he still has a passion for competing!

Unless you don't like the player then you can call him a sook.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: cookie2 on June 05, 2021, 11:27:10 am
Absolutely!

I would be very disappointed if Murphy wasn’t disappointed about being dropped.

Yes, he actually seemed quite indignant,  good on him.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LP on June 05, 2021, 12:02:11 pm
Having been on these forums for 15+ years, it's quite obvious to me that supporters are rarely in the best position to judge which players are valuable, what goes on behind the scenes etc. They have players they don't like (a position always reached by simple, objective observation  8)) , and they interpret situations accordingly.
The tell is that they never or very rarely credit certain players, even when they have outstanding games or moments, to them that player that they hate is analogous to how Carlton is to BT, Ling or Darcy!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Spanner on June 05, 2021, 06:49:38 pm
Exactly what i was going to say. Shows he still has a passion for competing!
Pity he doesn't translate that so called "competitive passion" when he's on the field eh? Such a sook...
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: townsendcalling on June 05, 2021, 07:25:22 pm
All I’ll say is ‘compare the pair’ 

Mark Murphy  /  Nathan Jones
Both ex captains
Both one club player through hard times
Both 300 games players (give or take!)
Both probably had chances to go elsewhere
Both no longer walk up starts in their respective teams.

Not sure Jones would react like that……
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 05, 2021, 07:44:37 pm
Very observant townsend :)
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 05, 2021, 08:05:12 pm
Unless you don't like the player then you can call him a sook.
Ive have always liked Murph and have backed him in on most occasions when criticised by many, he sooked it up IMO, dont care what anyone says.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Mav on June 05, 2021, 08:28:00 pm
God I miss those days.  3 goals down at half time...  not a problem...  1000% confident we’ll be up by 4 goals by 3/4 time....esp if we are kicking to heatley end
Ahhh, the premiership quarter  8)

I heard one of the stars from that great era being asked about how that developed and whether the players took it easy knowing they could turn it on in the 3rd quarter. The response was something like, “Nah, the boys used to party on Friday nights so they were a bit dusty when games started. But after the half-time break, they’d recovered enough to play hard in the 2nd half”.

I can’t remember who it was who said that, but it was a classic.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 05, 2021, 08:32:26 pm
Ive have always liked Murph and have backed him in on most occasions when criticised by many, he sooked it up IMO, dont care what anyone says.
Agree...been well looked after by the club and setup for life, show some leadership and take it on the chin.
Tell the media you are going to work with the kids who took his place and be a contributor.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 05, 2021, 09:09:07 pm
Ahhh, the premiership quarter  8)

I heard one of the stars from that great era being asked about how that developed and whether the players took it easy knowing they could turn it on in the 3rd quarter. The response was something like, “Nah, the boys used to party on Friday nights so they were a bit dusty when games started. But after the half-time break, they’d recovered enough to play hard in the 2nd half”.

I can’t remember who it was who said that, but it was a classic.


...and when people today want to compare us to the 'good old days', wondering what we need to do to get back there......i'm tipping this is not what they had in mind.

Times have changed.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Shakin77 on June 05, 2021, 09:32:28 pm
https://twitter.com/i/status/1400737787662376965

"Spose football you dont really deserve anything um as much as what Ive sort of feel Ive been a pretty loyal servant to the footy club...last weekend I was pretty frustrated..I think anyone who's played a lot of football...and to be left out of the side would feel the same way..its a natural thing to feel"

Yes Marc, however dont air dirty laundry, cop your medicine and move on. You aren't above criticism.

if I was the coach, I'd say to him "have another week son".


Is that it?   Was there more to the interview?  

Disappointing.    Murphy should have been a bit more honest.    Bonehead decision to drop him.   Only one of a few blokes to hit a target in the 3rd against the Hawks.   But lets play an under done Martin and Casboult in defense.    Did we run out of legs again?   WHAT??   Who would have thought that might happen?

Still need Murphy's class.   It great having all these guys that have a crack and are hard at it only to watch them turn it over and watch the ball sail over their head for a goal.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Spanner on June 05, 2021, 09:42:30 pm
Still need Murphy's class softness.
There, fixed it for you...
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 05, 2021, 09:42:41 pm
Not a happy hunting ground for so many clubs.  But after the game, the "understand" sure was among the players. :))  Val and Mario at their absolute best :))

Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Shakin77 on June 05, 2021, 09:57:52 pm
Still dealing with Spanner's class being clueless
My mistake.   Fixed.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 05, 2021, 10:01:52 pm
Pity he doesn't translate that so called "competitive passion" when he's on the field eh? Such a sook...
*yawn*
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: rocky on June 05, 2021, 10:14:41 pm
*yawn*
x 2
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 05, 2021, 10:15:52 pm
This issue really seems like much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Spanner on June 05, 2021, 10:26:04 pm
*yawn*
Great rebuttals dude. I'm in awe and stand humbled...
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 05, 2021, 10:29:14 pm
Great rebuttals dude. I'm in awe and stand humbled...
Why would i try and rebut someone who says that the equivalent of the grass is purple?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Milhanna13 on June 05, 2021, 10:43:10 pm
Ahhh, the premiership quarter  8)

I heard one of the stars from that great era being asked about how that developed and whether the players took it easy knowing they could turn it on in the 3rd quarter. The response was something like, “Nah, the boys used to party on Friday nights so they were a bit dusty when games started. But after the half-time break, they’d recovered enough to play hard in the 2nd half”.

I can’t remember who it was who said that, but it was a classic.

The old parko half time address - just get the first goal of the 3rd q, and let the heatley stand do the rest
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: DJC on June 05, 2021, 11:16:18 pm
Is that it?   Was there more to the interview?  

Disappointing.    Murphy should have been a bit more honest.    Bonehead decision to drop him.   Only one of a few blokes to hit a target in the 3rd against the Hawks.   But lets play an under done Martin and Casboult in defense.    Did we run out of legs again?   WHAT??   Who would have thought that might happen?

Still need Murphy's class.   It great having all these guys that have a crack and are hard at it only to watch them turn it over and watch the ball sail over their head for a goal.

Absolutely!

There's no way Murphy should have been dropped after his efforts kept us in the game in the third quarter.

And there's nothing like a bit of honesty.  Of course, punters listen to the media spin rather than what Murphy actually said.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 06, 2021, 08:36:49 am
Absolutely!

There's no way Murphy should have been dropped after his efforts kept us in the game in the third quarter.

And there's nothing like a bit of honesty.  Of course, punters listen to the media spin rather than what Murphy actually said.
So Murph being dropped was a witch hunt or is there some conspiracy behind it? Either that or Teague doesn't know what he is doing?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Lods on June 06, 2021, 08:57:58 am
Just reading around some of the Carlton forums and facebook pages....
This is a game we should win, most fans are expecting a win, but there's a funny vibe about it.

It's like many folks are expecting the win but have already got there anger 'bottled and ready to go' should we lose.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 06, 2021, 09:12:57 am
Just reading around some of the Carlton forums and facebook pages....
This is a game we should win, most fans are expecting a win, but there's a funny vibe about it.

It's like many folks are expecting the win but have already got there anger 'bottled and ready to go' should we lose.
Think most fans would have conceded the Swans game was a tough ask given their relentless contested style but WC have always been a team we do OK against and play a more open brand. Given their injuries, poor record on the road it all points to us doing well. This is probably it for the season too if we lose and could be the beginning of the end for the coach even though Liddle and the board say they are backing him in.
This is a game where if we win it will be more of a relief than a wild celebration..
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Baggers on June 06, 2021, 09:16:20 am
Just reading around some of the Carlton forums and facebook pages....
This is a game we should win, most fans are expecting a win, but there's a funny vibe about it.

It's like many folks are expecting the win but have already got there anger 'bottled and ready to go' should we lose.

Funny you should say that, Principal LODS. I look at the 'outs' for the Weagles and my mind shot back to the final series of 1994. For those who can remember, we met an undermanned Pussy Cats, who had some key players out -- at Waverley I think -- and we were beaten despite being the hot faves.

Today is a different kind of test for us... I wonder how difficult we'll make it for ourselves!
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 06, 2021, 09:54:27 am
Funny you should say that, Principal LODS. I look at the 'outs' for the Weagles and my mind shot back to the final series of 1994. For those who can remember, we met an undermanned Pussy Cats, who had some key players out -- at Waverley I think -- and we were beaten despite being the hot faves.

Today is a different kind of test for us... I wonder how difficult we'll make it for ourselves!

I remember it at Waverley. Couch, Bairstow and Hocking were late outs. We couldn't possibly lose after being upset by Melbourne the previous week.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Professer E on June 06, 2021, 09:57:45 am
Disgraceful effort in those two games,  awful.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: DJC on June 06, 2021, 10:18:42 am
So Murph being dropped was a witch hunt or is there some conspiracy behind it? Either that or Teague doesn't know what he is doing?

I’m pretty sure there’s no conspiracy or witch hunt.  On the other hand, team selection seems to be problematic 🤔
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: DJC on June 06, 2021, 10:23:38 am
Just reading around some of the Carlton forums and facebook pages....
This is a game we should win, most fans are expecting a win, but there's a funny vibe about it.

It's like many folks are expecting the win but have already got there anger 'bottled and ready to go' should we lose.

I’m not sure that it’s a game “we should win”.  Yes, West Coast will be missing a few players but they still have a game plan that works and the players to execute it.

We could win, IF we sort out our forward 50 entries and make the most of our scoring opportunities.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 06, 2021, 10:24:10 am
I remember it at Waverley. Couch, Bairstow and Hocking were late outs. We couldn't possibly lose after being upset by Melbourne the previous week.
I was at both those games and it was so deflating.

Straight sets after being favourites in the GF the year before.

The next year kinda made up for it.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 06, 2021, 10:31:26 am
Just reading around some of the Carlton forums and facebook pages....
This is a game we should win, most fans are expecting a win, but there's a funny vibe about it.

It's like many folks are expecting the win but have already got there anger 'bottled and ready to go' should we lose.
Conditioning Lods
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 06, 2021, 10:40:32 am
So Murph being dropped was a witch hunt or is there some conspiracy behind it? Either that or Teague doesn't know what he is doing?

Maybe just an MC error. Maybe horses for courses. Maybe sending Murph a message that they want this to be his last year, and this will be his future if he plays on. Maybe they thought being dropped might give him a bit of a shock.  The "official" line is that they wanted Martin in because their focus was more forward half pressure.

Lots of debate in a nothing story IMO. 
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 06, 2021, 10:52:29 am
I’m pretty sure there’s no conspiracy or witch hunt.  On the other hand, team selection seems to be problematic 🤔
Don't get me wrong, I was a bit puzzled at the time also. But once the coach makes the call, take it on the chin, be a man, address the issues and don't sulk (in public especially). Rip it up this week and all will be forgotten.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 06, 2021, 10:54:26 am
Maybe just an MC error. Maybe horses for courses. Maybe sending Murph a message that they want this to be his last year, and this will be his future if he plays on. Maybe they thought being dropped might give him a bit of a shock.  The "official" line is that they wanted Martin in because their focus was more forward half pressure.

Lots of debate in a nothing story IMO. 
You see it as nothing, I don't.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: cookie2 on June 06, 2021, 11:14:02 am
It is probably Murphy's last year so he would not be regarded as a high priority selection and, irrespective of his form, other "future" players would simply likely be the selection priorities atm eg Jack Martin. Understandably tough to cop for him if he has just had a good game and in view of his past club status but a fact of life at CFC currently. It's just as simple as that imo - no conspiracies at play.

It was good to see that at least he still gives a stuff.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 06, 2021, 11:30:21 am
Still maintain I believe we'll win.

But above all, if that be realised, it's the manner in which we win.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 06, 2021, 11:30:56 am
Murphy needs to get to 300 and gracefully retire.. played on for one season too many as did Simpson.



Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 06, 2021, 11:55:10 am
Harry out?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on June 06, 2021, 12:22:36 pm
Harry out?

If he is out, it will be a very good test to see if we can kick a winning score without him. Since he elevated himself to the top rank of KPF, we seem to have become over reliant on him, which worries me a little.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 06, 2021, 12:25:04 pm
Harry out?

Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 06, 2021, 12:31:00 pm
Where did you hear that?

Mate texted me. Sounds like he was joking as I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Sexybronco on June 06, 2021, 12:33:22 pm
Mate texted me. Sounds like he was joking as I can't find it anywhere.
Your mate we had a warped sense of humour😄
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 06, 2021, 01:15:17 pm
Your mate we had a warped sense of humour😄

Crazy that when I thought he wasn't playing I went from thinking we will win easy to not having a chance. I think we would still win without Cripps.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: madbluboy on June 06, 2021, 01:22:11 pm
Also I just texted my mate who lives in Maidstone that his suburb is going into a stage 5 lockdown to contain the nursing home outbreak. That'll teach him.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Sexybronco on June 06, 2021, 01:24:51 pm
Crazy that when I thought he wasn't playing I went from thinking we will win easy to not having a chance. I think we would still win without Cripps.
We’ll know soon enough, I will be watching intently to see if we can actually put together a 4 quarter performance and respond when challenged by the other team.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Sexybronco on June 06, 2021, 01:25:26 pm
Also I just texted my mate who lives in Maidstone that his suburb is going into a stage 5 lockdown to contain the nursing home outbreak. That'll teach him.
ouch!😀
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 06, 2021, 01:48:00 pm
Crazy that when I thought he wasn't playing I went from thinking we will win easy to not having a chance. I think we would still win without Cripps.

Who do you pay more from 2022 onwards?
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Sexybronco on June 06, 2021, 01:49:37 pm
Who do you pay more from 2022 onwards?
Probably Walsh
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Thryleon on June 06, 2021, 01:50:24 pm
Who do you pay more from 2022 onwards?

Harry by far on recent form.

I love cripps and what he brings but good game breaking key position players are much harder to come from than midfield extractors that are essentially one trick pony's.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: rocky on June 06, 2021, 02:27:11 pm
This on the AFL website:
Carlton v West Coast at the SCG, 3.20pm AEST

NO LATE CHANGES

MEDICAL SUBSTITUTES
Carlton: Jack Newnes
West Coast: Jamaine Jones
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 06, 2021, 02:38:56 pm
This on the AFL website:
Carlton v West Coast at the SCG, 3.20pm AEST

NO LATE CHANGES

MEDICAL SUBSTITUTES
Carlton: Jack Newnes
West Coast: Jamaine Jones

Based on that, we should win this.

Looking through our lineup though, it looks unbalanced.
SOJ as our CHF.
Ed Curnow on a HBF.
An underdone Fisher, Martin and Murphy in our forwardline.
Dow starting in the guts.

Maybe just tweak a few of those positions and it will look a lot better on paper.
I'm just worried Teague will play too many players out of position and give them a start we can't come back from.

Nic Nat is capable of winning the game off his own back, not many other on the team you could say the same for. Draw level with Nic Nat and play tight on Darling and we should have this, but it will come down to our entry inside 50 and our conversion on the scoreboard.

Give our forwards good ball and we SHOULD be ok.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: capcom on June 06, 2021, 02:40:05 pm
Pity there aren't substitutes for those clueless females on pregame C7.  
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: rocky on June 06, 2021, 02:46:29 pm
TDK MUST start in the ruck. Pitt will be no match for the leaping Nic Nat but Tom should be able to halve the contest at the very least.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on June 06, 2021, 02:54:21 pm
TDK MUST start in the ruck. Pitt will be no match for the leaping Nic Nat but Tom should be able to halve the contest at the very least.
Pittonet is named on the bench which means he must start there. So TDK takes at least the first bounce.
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: DJC on June 06, 2021, 03:00:34 pm
Pity there aren't substitutes for those clueless females on pregame C7.  

I’d sub Timmy first 🙄
Title: Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: rocky on June 06, 2021, 03:09:35 pm
Pittonet is named on the bench which means he must start there. So TDK takes at least the first bounce.
Really?? Did not know that. Thought they just named them there. Great!