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Title: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 18, 2021, 07:21:49 PM
This is a game where we are expected to win. The game is in Melbourne against a team that has been up and down. However, Adelaide beat Melbourne recently, which is better than we've done.
I don't know if we will start favourites, but I don't think we should. We do not have enough runs on the board.

Last year wooden spooner Adelaide embarrassed us. And it was an embarrassment. Are we willing to give them what they deserve? I hope so. But my confidence in our ability o do it remains slim.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ianh on June 20, 2021, 08:52:22 AM
It is interesting to see the media playing up Murphy's performance.  Might be just simple laziness in looking at the stats and saying "27 possessions = played well" but more likely that spin is coming from the club which makes me think Murphy might be getting a call up. SPS on his last quarter would deserve one too - but was the last quarter the abberation or were the preeeding 3?  I'd serious;y think about telling him to turn up in the 1st next week and bring that last quarter effort and save your career.  Honey keeps putting his hand up.  I presume Parks will be an out and hopefully Plowman will be fit to replace him - otherwise the cupboard seems a bit bare, maybe Williamson but he didn't greatly impress me yesterday (or generally this year), maybe Kemp but I think he needs another couple of weeks in the 2s.  As for other outs maybe Eddie is needing a rest soon but I wouldn't be doing it for an Adelaide game.  Martin I am a fan of but if he doesn't bring more intensity than yesterday he can be made an example of.  Newnes could be given a run in the 2s not as a demotion but in recognition of his lack of game time.  You could make an argument for a few others but for a combination of reasons I suspect they will survive.  

If it were me I'd have Plowman in for Parks and Honey as sub for Newnes, but I suspect Murphy will get a gig.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 20, 2021, 09:05:18 AM
Well out of last night and recent weeks, I would drop:
One of Fogarty/Betts - (Carroll/Honey)
Martin (Murphy/Samo)
Parks (Plowman assuming fit)
I'd even consider giving Doc a spell in the twos if someone could come in to replace him)
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Blue Moon on June 20, 2021, 11:18:31 AM
We played yesterday with a total lack of energy, application, confidence or endeavor. If we turn up like that next week we will be lucky to get within ten goals of Adelaide.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 20, 2021, 12:04:31 PM
I said it last week, but Teague needs to take the boys to the pub and get some home truths out there.

Have a bonding session over a beer or 6 and get the group on the same page. We are playing like a bunch of individuals and we are not good enough to be playing like a bunch of individuals. We need everyone on the same page, playing like a team.

Play like a team and we win more than we lose.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on June 20, 2021, 12:06:24 PM
I said it last week, but Teague needs to take the boys to the pub and get some home truths out there.

Have a bonding session over a beer or 6 and get the group on the same page. We are playing like a bunch of individuals and we are not good enough to be playing like a bunch of individuals. We need everyone on the same page, playing like a team.

Play like a team and we win more than we lose.
Without trying to be a [email protected] here Krudd, do you still think we can get to the 11 wins?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 20, 2021, 12:14:17 PM
Well out of last night and recent weeks, I would drop:
One of Fogarty/Betts - (Carroll/Honey)
Martin (Murphy/Samo)
Parks (Plowman assuming fit)
I'd even consider giving Doc a spell in the twos if someone could come in to replace him)
Be a no to Murphy and Samo... Deckchairs just waiting to slide off into the ocean at the first sign of rough weather.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 20, 2021, 12:18:00 PM
Be a no to Murphy and Samo... Deckchairs just waiting to slide off into the ocean at the first sign of rough weather.
So what do they do? Murph at least looked like he gave a fork yesterday. You know I dont rate Samo at all but FMD even he got down and dirty yesterday. Martin is taking the absolute piss as are many others including my old mate no 6.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 20, 2021, 01:19:30 PM
Hard to get exciting as we know what the output and effort is going to be. Unless we get that it is time wasting.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 20, 2021, 01:20:57 PM
So what do they do? Murph at least looked like he gave a fork yesterday. You know I dont rate Samo at all but FMD even he got down and dirty yesterday. Martin is taking the absolute piss as are many others including my old mate no 6.
Samo pulled the handbrake in one contest and Murphy was looking for the easy handoffs. Got annoyed too when a couple of players wouldn't give him the easy ball after they took the mark.
So no to both from me and Imo Murphy is playing for the 300 only and I'm with Spanner and I wouldn't pick him again.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on June 20, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
Samo pulled the handbrake in one contest and Murphy was looking for the easy handoffs. Got annoyed too when a couple of players wouldn't give in the easy ball after they took the mark.
So no to both from me and Imo Murphy is playing for the 300 only and I'm with Spanner and I wouldn't pick him again.

Totally agree. At a pinch, maybe SPS ahead of Murphy - who should stop embarrassing himself and retire.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 20, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
Samo pulled the handbrake in one contest and Murphy was looking for the easy handoffs. Got annoyed too when a couple of players wouldn't give him the easy ball after they took the mark.
So no to both from me and Imo Murphy is playing for the 300 only and I'm with Spanner and I wouldn't pick him again.

They'll medical sub him there given those games count.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 20, 2021, 01:55:47 PM
Samo pulled the handbrake in one contest and Murphy was looking for the easy handoffs. Got annoyed too when a couple of players wouldn't give him the easy ball after they took the mark.
So no to both from me and Imo Murphy is playing for the 300 only and I'm with Spanner and I wouldn't pick him again.
Lets be honest EB, there is no one breaking the door down in the 2s.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on June 20, 2021, 02:03:41 PM
The boys look down and out, and I'm not sure what can snap them back into positivity. I can't see a win in this game, irrespective of venue, inclusions, coaches etc. 
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 20, 2021, 02:04:21 PM
The boys look down and out, and I'm not sure what can snap them back into positivity. I can't see a win in this game, irrespective of venue, inclusions, coaches etc. 
x2
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on June 20, 2021, 02:23:09 PM
If they couldn't give a stuff yesterday, why should they next week?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 20, 2021, 04:03:33 PM
Without trying to be a [email protected] here Krudd, do you still think we can get to the 11 wins?

We CAN still get there, but we won't. Not if thats our new normal.

Technically, i'd allowed us to lose a game against the bottom 10 sides....maybe this was the one?

However, i did say all that before the review was announced.
I did also say that its all possible unless we implode.....and 24 hours later, bam.....review announced, Barker sacked and all hell breaks loose.

Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 20, 2021, 04:14:34 PM
Lets be honest EB, there is no one breaking the door down in the 2s.
Like a few others I am regretting we didnt pick up Crocker mid season.....yep he could be just a very good VFL player but at the moment he is the best of those very good VFL players. Its Harry with Matt Owies at the moment down forward and nothing else.
Crocker would have been motivated and adds that bit of attitude we dont have....for a 10-12 game cheap trial it was the perfect situation. Honey and Carroll I would introduce into the team gradually and I'd be managing Eddie on weekly basis too as he is shot as far as being able to play 4 quarters of the old magic Eddie football anymore.
Keep Eddie in for the soft games like the Crows, North, GC etc but rest him vs the heavyweight teams...
Murphy will probably get the sub role in a few games as Jim suggested and then a full game for the 300 then told to pull the pin.
SPS is trade bait for a good Vic kid wanting back home from WA..give him a few games to fatten up his value but I'm over him..

Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 20, 2021, 08:21:49 PM
Like a few others I am regretting we didnt pick up Crocker mid season.....
I doubt he'd help us, in the VFL he defends and tackles well inside F50 but he's not big on getting up and down the ground, and I think AFL clubs would basically run him or run off him, add his slow leg speed to the already slow team and we'd be left even more outnumbered in our own D50.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 20, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
I doubt he'd help us, in the VFL he defends and tackles well inside F50 but he's not big on getting up and down the ground, and I think AFL clubs would basically run him or run off him, add his slow leg speed to the already slow team and we'd be left even more outnumbered in our own D50.
I dont rate him as slow, one of Honeys goals in the VFL was the result of Crocker motoring away from opponents and giving Honey a joe the goose goal. He was originally a midfielder with Collingwood and is more mobile than most of our present forwards IMO.
His kicking for goal is also a lot better than most of our players and he would give us that inbetween matchup type player that most of the sides that torment our defense have.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: WASurfer on June 21, 2021, 04:52:06 PM
Casboult rubbed out for a week after a VFL suspension. So that's one less decision for the selectors to make.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 21, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
Casboult rubbed out for a week after a VFL suspension. So that's one less decision for the selectors to make.
Nothing going right for us, I thought Levi played a good game and was deserving of promotion...
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on June 21, 2021, 05:39:09 PM
What did he do now ... pat a baby on the head?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 21, 2021, 06:45:49 PM
I doubt he'd help us, in the VFL he defends and tackles well inside F50 but he's not big on getting up and down the ground, and I think AFL clubs would basically run him or run off him, add his slow leg speed to the already slow team and we'd be left even more outnumbered in our own D50.

One thing our club needs at the moment is pure footballers. Players who can do the basics well and know the game. Lead, mark, kick, tackle and read the play are basics that we struggle with. Crocker has that.
As for his speed/endurance.....i think its deceptive. He reminds me of Dane Swan, and its not just the tatts. Its the way he moves. He looks very slow, but is moving faster than you realise.

Even IF speed and/or endurance is Crockers weak point, that is a lot easier to train up than trying to harden someone up or teach them how to kick. Being smart can compensate for being slow. Look at Diesel. Look at Whitnall. No point being quick by foot if you are slow by mind.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on June 21, 2021, 06:50:16 PM
Players from other clubs could just about commit murder on field and get away with it,  but different rules apply to Carlton. #wevebeenstiffedagain.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on June 22, 2021, 08:22:03 AM
Enough talk,  now do.  Pretty simple stuff.   22 men each play 4 quarters of 100% football. 
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on June 22, 2021, 09:34:55 AM
If we go into this game with the same game plan, we will get what we've been getting. But overhauling a system mid season is too big an ask. But, defense focus must be instilled... defensive systems demand accountability and a superior work ethic, from there you can build.

And if Murphy is recalled, make him earn his paycheck and put him in the midfield not a high forward - he becomes too unaccountable as a forward. Bring in a defender and get Stocker into the action - he makes things happen. Honey in also.

The TT raves on about playing blokes to their strengths, telling blokes to play to their strengths... then plays them out of position!!!! I'm talking about Stocker (there are others). Let him off the leash. We recruited Boyd to be a lockdown defender with good disposal skills... well... bring him in. Risks are needed.

Face the fact that Doc is badly out of form (sheesh, what he has had to endure... any wonder) so you do what you rave on about doing - make blokes earn their spot. Doc isn't. His fumbles are not only costly for general play, they're costly to morale and leadership. Rest him.

Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 22, 2021, 09:59:55 AM
If we go into this game with the same game plan, we will get what we've been getting. But overhauling a system mid season is too big an ask. But, defense focus must be instilled... defensive systems demand accountability and a superior work ethic, from there you can build.

And if Murphy is recalled, make him earn his paycheck and put him in the midfield not a high forward - he becomes too unaccountable as a forward. Bring in a defender and get Stocker into the action - he makes things happen. Honey in also.

The TT raves on about playing blokes to their strengths, telling blokes to play to their strengths... then plays them out of position!!!! I'm talking about Stocker (there are others). Let him off the leash. We recruited Boyd to be a lockdown defender with good disposal skills... well... bring him in. Risks are needed.

Face the fact that Doc is badly out of form (sheesh, what he has had to endure... any wonder) so you do what you rave on about doing - make blokes earn their spot. Doc isn't. His fumbles are not only costly for general play, they're costly to morale and leadership. Rest him.

Can you forward that to Teague Shane?

Docherty played a couple of his best games for a while when he was moved to the wing/midfield and that role is a little more forgiving of fumbles. 

My back seven would be Weitering, Jones, Saad, Newman, Williams, Plowman (if fit) and Boyd with Docherty and Stocker in the midfield.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on June 22, 2021, 10:45:11 AM
Can you forward that to Teague Shane?

Docherty played a couple of his best games for a while when he was moved to the wing/midfield and that role is a little more forgiving of fumbles. 

My back seven would be Weitering, Jones, Saad, Newman, Williams, Plowman (if fit) and Boyd with Docherty and Stocker in the midfield.

Spot on. I make the comment about resting Doc if he is having probs effecting his game. Yes, he looked much better on a wing... I like the idea of putting him in the action in the midfield - could be just the thing for his confidence as well.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 22, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
We will end up with twenty players on the wing trying to hide and find them an easier role. Docherty needs to go back to the twos to  rediscover form and confidence, his fumbling ways won't work in the middle or hiding him on a wing vs decent players.
I like Doc but he needs rebuilding in the twos...
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 22, 2021, 12:59:02 PM
We will end up with twenty players on the wing trying to hide and find them an easier role. Docherty needs to go back to the twos to  rediscover form and confidence, his fumbling ways won't work in the middle or hiding him on a wing vs decent players.
I like Doc but he needs rebuilding in the twos...
Are we focussing too much on one or two mistakes and ignoring the 85% good stuff he does?

Have we let our expectation of his perfection become the enemy of his good?

Why does he need to meet a higher standard than any other AFL footballer?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on June 22, 2021, 01:11:38 PM
Doc will never get dropped.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 22, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
Doc will never get dropped.
 He'll go close to winning our B&F.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: WASurfer on June 22, 2021, 01:18:31 PM
LP....I reckon Walsh would be a fair way in front at this point of the season. Weitering and McKay probably fighting it out for the minor positions.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 22, 2021, 01:23:16 PM
LP....I reckon Walsh would be a fair way in front at this point of the season. Weitering and McKay probably fighting it out for the minor positions.
Yet Doc will go close, he'll be right up there because even when the others are having a downer he's been quite consistent.

Which reminds me, did I read somewhere the club's official B&F voting rules have changed for 2021 season?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on June 22, 2021, 01:26:19 PM
Yet Doc will go close, he'll be right up there because even when the others are having a downer he's been quite consistent.

He will get nowhere near it IMO. 
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 22, 2021, 02:15:58 PM
Doc will never get dropped.
And that my friend is why we will be where we are.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 22, 2021, 03:01:38 PM
Keep it simple this week, maximum effort, maximum response to last few weeks dismal displays. Stand up for yourselves and your coach.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 22, 2021, 04:43:18 PM
He'll go close to winning our B&F.
Probably tells a story.....think Dermott Brereton suggested Docs fumbles have proved very costly.
Doc is very brave on and off the field and I respect him a lot just for being out on the park but I want the old Doc back
who was reliable, confident and not making those critical fumbles.
A spell in the twos building his game and mindset back to what it was is worth it IMO....its no shame to be playing twos and fans would understand why he is there. We are actually eroding his confidence by leaving him in the seniors and having scrutiny from the likes of Brereton appearing in the press. Not sure the captain duties are doing him any good either and I'd be relieving him of that burden too and giving it to Weitering.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 22, 2021, 05:15:59 PM
No Plowman
Gibbons a test
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: WASurfer on June 22, 2021, 05:33:28 PM
Only going on what I've read to date but would like to see Honey get a run this week....maybe with Eddie having a rest? Hard to see Honey playing along with Owies and Betts all in the same side.

Parks possibly goes out injured this week? Has Williamson done enough to earn a recall?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on June 22, 2021, 05:42:27 PM
Don't think Eddie will be rested against Adelaide. Probably Fogarty if we want to try someone like Honey or even Carroll? Parks out injured so they will either bring in SPS or Murphy and shuffle the deck chairs down back. Who knows. Frankly finding it hard to care.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 22, 2021, 05:45:54 PM
Don't think Eddie will be rested against Adelaide. Probably Fogarty if we want to try someone like Honey or even Carroll? Parks out injured so they will either bring in SPS or Murphy and shuffle the deck chairs down back. Who knows. Frankly finding it hard to care.
Agree Rock, given how we're travelling, it doesnt really matter. Problems aren't at the selection table.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 22, 2021, 06:57:31 PM
Agree Rock, given how we're travelling, it doesnt really matter. Problems aren't at the selection table.

We definitely DO have problems at the selection table, but thats not our ONLY problem.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 22, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
We definitely DO have problems at the selection table, but thats not our ONLY problem.
So wind back to last Thurs, in your mind, what mistakes were made at the selection table?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 22, 2021, 09:09:52 PM
So wind back to last Thurs, in your mind, what mistakes were made at the selection table?
With an inkling of hindsight (which would've been available to the selection committee)....

Playing Martin. He clearly wasn't fit.
I made a comment in the in-game thread that he could barely walk at one stage (1st or 2nd qtr) and i thought he should be subbed out. For a bloke who is super fast, agile and smooth.....he looked like a miniture version of Levi. Not good enough. He shouldn't have been picked before the bye, and i figured he was fit enough when the picked him, he was not.

I wouldn't have picked Parks.....done nothing.

I would've played Murphy (for Martin).....as least Murphy can run.


All that being said.....i wasn't simply talking about that one game. We've played underdone players all year. Levi should've been dropped about 3 weeks before he was. Williams probably shouldn't have played a few games he did.
I think plenty of people have pointed this out in Thursdays teams over the year.
Ask me again on Thursday and i'll point out what i think is wrong with it.

Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on June 22, 2021, 09:29:51 PM
Parks is likely a reserve player, nothing more.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 22, 2021, 09:33:32 PM
With an inkling of hindsight (which would've been available to the selection committee)....

Playing Martin. He clearly wasn't fit.
I made a comment in the in-game thread that he could barely walk at one stage (1st or 2nd qtr) and i thought he should be subbed out. For a bloke who is super fast, agile and smooth.....he looked like a miniture version of Levi. Not good enough. He shouldn't have been picked before the bye, and i figured he was fit enough when the picked him, he was not.

I wouldn't have picked Parks.....done nothing.

I would've played Murphy (for Martin).....as least Murphy can run.


All that being said.....i wasn't simply talking about that one game. We've played underdone players all year. Levi should've been dropped about 3 weeks before he was. Williams probably shouldn't have played a few games he did.
I think plenty of people have pointed this out in Thursdays teams over the year.
Ask me again on Thursday and i'll point out what i think is wrong with it.


So Murphy for Martin and ?? for Parks, whatvever. Would it have made a difference?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 22, 2021, 09:39:21 PM
So Murphy for Martin and ?? for Parks, whatvever. Would it have made a difference?

Parks was a dead set passenger.

Martin actually had a tough match up i thought and went with Whitfield a bit.  Still its hard to argue him over Murphy. 
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 22, 2021, 09:41:26 PM
So Murphy for Martin and ?? for Parks, whatvever. Would it have made a difference?

Again, i'm not just talking about 1 game. I'm talking all year.

Lets look at it this way. A few close losses against the top teams is 'acceptable'. Confidence levels don't take too much of a hit.
However, turn one of those close losses into a win, and suddenly confidence levels rise. Imagine if the 16 point loss to the dogs was a win. That kind of confidence boost can lead to potentially more wins.....etc

....and its not just personnel, but where they are played too. Murphy proved he is more effective in the middle than up forward.
I'm all for giving the kids a run through the middle, but when its crunch time. Put your best players in the middle.

If you are happy with the teams that are announced each week, i think you are in the minority.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 22, 2021, 09:53:16 PM
Again, i'm not just talking about 1 game. I'm talking all year.

Lets look at it this way. A few close losses against the top teams is 'acceptable'. Confidence levels don't take too much of a hit.
However, turn one of those close losses into a win, and suddenly confidence levels rise. Imagine if the 16 point loss to the dogs was a win. That kind of confidence boost can lead to potentially more wins.....etc

....and its not just personnel, but where they are played too. Murphy proved he is more effective in the middle than up forward.
I'm all for giving the kids a run through the middle, but when its crunch time. Put your best players in the middle.

If you are happy with the teams that are announced each week, i think you are in the minority.
Not disagreeing with what you have said, I just personally think it would have made SFA difference who is selected. The way they are playing seems engrained in every one on the list. I guess the review will find out.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 22, 2021, 09:59:47 PM
Parks is likely a reserve player, nothing more.

Parks could be a decent player, if he gets reasonable development and learns how to play team defence.  I wouldn’t mind seeing him back in the 22 provided he can string together 8 or 9 good games in the reserves.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 22, 2021, 10:06:49 PM
Not disagreeing with what you have said, I just personally think it would have made SFA difference who is selected. The way they are playing seems engrained in every one on the list. I guess the review will find out.

It may not change L to W but the result would be closer if we selected 22 fit players in reasonable form and played them in the right positions 🤔
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on June 22, 2021, 10:41:15 PM
It may not change L to W but the result would be closer if we selected 22 fit players in reasonable form and played them in the right positions 🤔

That's quite enough of that DJC. Common sense will not be tolerated 😋
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 23, 2021, 07:19:24 AM
It may not change L to W but the result would be closer if we selected 22 fit players in reasonable form and played them in the right positions 🤔

But do we have 22 mentally fit players DJC?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 23, 2021, 08:47:38 AM
Parks is a VFL player and Martin on Whitfield was a dumb move given Whitfield runs all day. I would have played Cottrell on Whitfield as he has the pace and endurance and has done the job before.
Whitfield hates a hard tag and that isn't Martins game at all as he was recruited to be creative and provide some goals, not sit on a bloke who needs an endurance type of tagger.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 23, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
Agree Rock, given how we're travelling, it doesnt really matter. Problems aren't at the selection table.

I reckon the selection table is a major source of our problems.  Pick the best 22 fit players, play them in the right positions and tweak the gameplan to suit the personnel.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 23, 2021, 09:53:28 AM
But do we have 22 mentally fit players DJC?

I suspect we do Cookie.  Confused and frustrated perhaps but most are probably pretty resilient 🤔
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 23, 2021, 10:03:44 AM
Parks is a VFL player and Martin on Whitfield was a dumb move given Whitfield runs all day. I would have played Cottrell on Whitfield as he has the pace and endurance and has done the job before.
Whitfield hates a hard tag and that isn't Martins game at all as he was recruited to be creative and provide some goals, not sit on a bloke who needs an endurance type of tagger.

More of the same from the MC.

Rob Peter to try and pay Paul....
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 23, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
Parks is a VFL player and Martin on Whitfield was a dumb move given Whitfield runs all day. I would have played Cottrell on Whitfield as he has the pace and endurance and has done the job before.
Whitfield hates a hard tag and that isn't Martins game at all as he was recruited to be creative and provide some goals, not sit on a bloke who needs an endurance type of tagger.

As much as I agree with this, Martin is a player that could play the Whitfield role, and it might have been a good learning opportunity for him to understand what it takes to break a game open.

He can do it, but based on what I heard on a podcast this morning, I think there is a lot our players are not owning which is likely more to do with why we are under performing as a unit.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 23, 2021, 10:53:05 AM
Parks is a VFL player and Martin on Whitfield was a dumb move given Whitfield runs all day. I would have played Cottrell on Whitfield as he has the pace and endurance and has done the job before.
Whitfield hates a hard tag and that isn't Martins game at all as he was recruited to be creative and provide some goals, not sit on a bloke who needs an endurance type of tagger.

If not Cottrell, I would have played Curnow (who has really gone off the boil) on Whitfield.  Martin should be an offensive weapon demanding a dedicated defender, but he has lost his zip and can’t be fit.

I have hopes for Parks but, at this stage, he is a VFL player.

It’s a lot easier coaching from from an armchair and with the benefit of hindsight, but I’m really perplexed by our team selection and tactics ... or lack thereof 🤨
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 23, 2021, 10:54:36 AM
I suspect we do Cookie.  Confused and frustrated perhaps but most are probably pretty resilient 🤔

DJ, I personally would include confusion as a lack of mental fitness/preparation to face the cut throat competitive environment that is the AFL, where the ability to respond quickly and effectively to opposition moves and to also be creative is vital. Confusion means delay - fatal imo. This would no doubt then lead to frustration I agree.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 23, 2021, 11:16:11 AM
Another 22 point loss after being close all day?

Stuffs me how we are always scoreboard competitive (as distinct from actually competitive) while being insipid at the same time. Surely it only takes a decent change in mental attitude (as we have been hoping for for only 20 years) to be a finals side.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 23, 2021, 12:22:37 PM
For me this sort of comment is a big worry.
Quote from: Jacob Weitering
Carlton leader Jacob Weitering has urged the Blues to adopt a selfless mentality and “play for your mates” in a bid to reactivate a season spiralling out of control.
Read the rest at The Rage linked HERE. (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/play-for-your-mates-weitering-urges-blues-to-be-selfless-20210622-p5834v.html)

The reason I don't like it is two fold.

Firstly, it's self evident that for AFL success you have to stick fat with each other on the field, regardless of whether you like each other off the field or at training. I've been a long time critic of our club regarding the absence of this mindset. But if Jacob Weitering has to speak that truth to his team-mates via the media what does it say about our recruiting and our player development? To me it reeks that our club is still mired in the old ways of the professional mercenary.

Secondly, if Jacob Weitering perceives this then other players will as well, other potential recruits and other potential re-signings, and that does not bode well for our club if progress and resolution of the problem doesn't become obvious!

I suppose I can look at the flipside, and in that case it just reinforces Weitering's leadership credentials.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 23, 2021, 01:12:47 PM
Maybe weiters is saying that because it was a focus in team meetings and all players are fully aware of it already.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 23, 2021, 04:04:22 PM
Another 22 point loss after being close all day?

Stuffs me how we are always scoreboard competitive (as distinct from actually competitive) while being insipid at the same time. Surely it only takes a decent change in mental attitude (as we have been hoping for for only 20 years) to be a finals side.
Crows away from home are not that flash IMO, we should win this well with all the pressure and hype. The Players will want to perform if not for Teague but to save their careers in some cases. I'd expect a response to appease the media pile on but it wont have any effect on the off field stuff where I reckon decisions have already been made and we are going through a bit of pantomime while this so called review takes place..
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 23, 2021, 04:16:07 PM
Maybe weiters is saying that because it was a focus in team meetings and all players are fully aware of it already.

I suspect that his choice of words was determined by the media commentary and is directed at our supporters rather than his teammates.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 23, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
DJ, I personally would include confusion as a lack of mental fitness/preparation to face the cut throat competitive environment that is the AFL, where the ability to respond quickly and effectively to opposition moves and to also be creative is vital. Confusion means delay - fatal imo. This would no doubt then lead to frustration I agree.

I suspect that confusion arises when players are exhorted to persist with a game plan that isn’t working or to play a role to which they aren’t suited; Stocker vs Greene for example.

You have to wonder whether continually not meeting expectations, being subjected to personal media criticism and social media vitriol will have mental health implications 🤔

Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on June 23, 2021, 05:25:09 PM
Quote
Quote from: Jacob Weitering
Carlton leader Jacob Weitering has urged the Blues to adopt a selfless mentality and “play for your mates” in a bid to reactivate a season spiralling out of control.

Team Football 101
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: shawny on June 23, 2021, 05:34:39 PM
Crows away from home are not that flash IMO, we should win this well with all the pressure and hype. The Players will want to perform if not for Teague but to save their careers in some cases. I'd expect a response to appease the media pile on but it wont have any effect on the off field stuff where I reckon decisions have already been made and we are going through a bit of pantomime while this so called review takes place..

I thought the same thing last week and the week before. Wish it was that easy and while i like your optimism we are hardly a organisation that can switch our form on and off when it suits. We really haven't played good footy all year and have dropped away further the last 2 weeks and putting in 2 awful displays.

Crows will smell blood and will like their chances against a team that is devoid of any confidence flair and sadly ability.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 23, 2021, 06:52:54 PM
I thought the same thing last week and the week before. Wish it was that easy and while i like your optimism we are hardly a organisation that can switch our form on and off when it suits. We really haven't played good footy all year and have dropped away further the last 2 weeks and putting in 2 awful displays.

Crows will smell blood and will like their chances against a team that is devoid of any confidence flair and sadly ability.

I'm working on the law of averages Shawny...if the game was in Adelaide I would say the result would be the other way.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 23, 2021, 09:24:50 PM
Game is 4.10pm now. Allows Adelaide to fly in and out on the same day.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: bmaurizio on June 24, 2021, 12:35:47 AM
Yep reckon Crows will take home the 4 points, our Rucks and midfielders are  struggling Sam Walsh aside , the rest are just plodding along, had  Levi & a few others been available  it have been very  close, due to  the  ground advantage.
As it stands  , I can’t see it, unfortunately we don’t have the right cattle ready to go , as yet.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on June 24, 2021, 11:12:45 AM
Sounds like it could be roof open and showers around.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 24, 2021, 06:15:21 PM
Pitonett out for the season having ankle surgery, plus Fisher out this week. No Levi, Mirkov out 4 weeks. We are nearly ruckless.

Maybe go with 4 smalls in the centre square and not compete for the tapout......haha. Actually saw it done in the AFLW this year. A ruck got injured and knowing they weren't going to win any taps put 4 smalls at ground level in the centre square. Worked like a charm. Went along way to turning the game around as they had the outnumber at ground level and dominated out of the centre.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: bmaurizio on June 24, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
No problems, Jones & TDK will be our Rucks.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 24, 2021, 06:31:47 PM
IN: Lachie Plowman, Marc Murphy, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Josh Honey, Lochie O’Brien, Matthew Cottrell

OUT: Marc Pittonet (ankle), Zac Fisher (ankle), Luke Parks (omitted)

INTERCHANGE: Nic Newman             Marc Murphy                     Sam Petrevski-Seton                       
Josh Honey                         Jack Newnes                       Lochie O’Brien
Matthew Cottrell              Lachie Fogarty
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on June 24, 2021, 06:50:15 PM
Martin should buy a tattslotto ticket,  after the last month he's lucky to still be on the list,  let alone be in the firsts.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 24, 2021, 06:59:04 PM
IN: Lachie Plowman, Marc Murphy, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Josh Honey, Lochie O’Brien, Matthew Cottrell

OUT: Marc Pittonet (ankle), Zac Fisher (ankle), Luke Parks (omitted)

INTERCHANGE: Nic Newman             Marc Murphy                     Sam Petrevski-Seton                       
Josh Honey                         Jack Newnes                       Lochie O’Brien
Matthew Cottrell              Lachie Fogarty
Crows by 24
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 24, 2021, 07:38:02 PM
Crows by 24
I can't see us getting up, to be honest. With 2 rucks we had a chance.
We have Markov and Pittonet out for God knows how long and Casboult suspended. Can we get any lower in the ruck stocks?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 24, 2021, 07:39:51 PM
No problems, Jones & TDK will be our Rucks.

And who plays as a key defender?

I reckon Cripps will spend time in the ruck and that concerns me.  Five ruckmen on the list (counting Mirkov) and only one is available  :(
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on June 24, 2021, 07:45:42 PM
Meh, ruck hasn't been our biggest problem IMO. Could be a breakout game for TDK. I believe he has it in him. If I had my way I'd do a Richmond and play a midsize. Preferably that would be Silvagni. At least you know you'd get effort. Something like that out of left field I can't see our blokes trying.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 24, 2021, 07:46:55 PM
Crows by 24

Look at this way G2C; going into a game with only one ruckman and one genuine key forward (and a passenger or two) will test our coaching panel's ability to improvise and come up with tactics to cover those deficiencies.  Are they up for the challenge?

Crows by 36!

Only gammon ...  we will get over the line by 9 points  :)
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 24, 2021, 08:02:46 PM
Pitonett out for the season having ankle surgery, plus Fisher out this week. No Levi, Mirkov out 4 weeks. We are nearly ruckless.

Maybe go with 4 smalls in the centre square and not compete for the tapout......haha. Actually saw it done in the AFLW this year. A ruck got injured and knowing they weren't going to win any taps put 4 smalls at ground level in the centre square. Worked like a charm. Went along way to turning the game around as they had the outnumber at ground level and dominated out of the centre.

Its not a bad idea and one that has been tried, kinda, a few times already. Gerard Healy suggested it.....

Play CRIPPS in the ruck.
He already takes some boundary throw ins and around the ground ball ups.
We get beaten because his opponent runs off him when he is playing midfield.
If we use him as a ruck (keep in mind, he doesn't actually have to jump, or let himself be jumped on) then he will be able to run with his direct opponent (a ruck) and we will be able to have a quicker midfield while not losing out in ball winning ability.

Leave Jones and Weitering down back.
Leave Harry up forward.
Swap TDK and Cripps as ruck/forward.

You know it makes sense!
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on June 24, 2021, 08:11:07 PM
Fisher?
In for two out for three
In, out, in, out, in, out

There's only a handful of players on our list that are robust, the rest are flakey.
We should be the Carlton Cadbury's  ::)
Always Flakey
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 25, 2021, 02:50:21 AM
Fisher?
In for two out for three
In, out, in, out, in, out

There's only a handful of players on our list that are robust, the rest are flakey.
We should be the Carlton Cadbury's  ::)
Always Flakey

And melts when things get hot.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 25, 2021, 06:24:14 AM
I saw a report gibbons out for the season too with his hamstring.

We have now shifted from winning to development mode.

Lochie o brien in is a tell.  Some blokes are playing for their list spot now.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 25, 2021, 07:01:25 AM
I saw a report gibbons out for the season too with his hamstring.

We have now shifted from winning to development mode.

Lochie o brien in is a tell.  Some blokes are playing for their list spot now.
The tell is 4-9 that that its development mode.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on June 25, 2021, 07:22:47 AM
The tell is 4-9 that that its development mode.

We just seem to be so brittle ....

And with nuthin' much to fall back on, it makes it all the more obvious. 
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 25, 2021, 07:59:32 AM
And melts when things get hot.
Like @Thryleon‍ I see this more of an effect than a causal trait, the continual bashing of the club, by media, by fans, by the club executive, has an effect.

When players fold under pressure, heaping more pressure on them is not the cure, Bolton's ethos was seriously flawed as too much adversity will just eventually crush the sufferer. Cripps almost broke under the Bolton regime, it cost Bolton his job!

Why would we voluntarily self inflict such pain, maybe Carlton and it's fans have become a club of masochists?
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 25, 2021, 12:13:44 PM
Lineup based on those selected

Saad              Weitering     Plowman
Docherty       Jones            Williams
Stocker          Cripps          O'Brien
Martin           Silvagni        Honey
Betts             McKay          Owies

TDK   Curnow    Walsh

Int:   Dow, Newman, SPS, Kennedy     Medical:  Murphy

Em:  Fogarty, Newnes, Cottrell

Curnow only plays if he has a specific tagging role (i.e.Sloane) otherwise it's Fogarty.
Newman relieves off half back
Let SPS and Dow loose through the midfield
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2021, 12:51:03 PM
O'Brien shouldn't be in the squad on the strength of his VFL performance.  He was OK but not in our best.  I can't see him getting a spot in our 23.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 25, 2021, 05:04:49 PM
IC
[32] Jack Newnes,
[5] Sam Petrevski-Seton,
[3] Marc Murphy,
[8] Lachie Fogarty

Emergencies
[36] Josh Honey,
[24] Nic Newman,
[4] Lochie O'Brien,
[46] Matthew Cottrell

So who is the 7th defender??  Please not SPS!!
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Slowhand on June 25, 2021, 05:11:53 PM
FFS was Newman that bad last week …….
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2021, 05:18:07 PM
FFS was Newman that bad last week …….

Another hard to follow decision by the selectors  ::)

Samo played very well in the reserves as midfielder/forward and it would unforgiveable to use him in defence. 

I would prefer to see Honey and Newman in for Newnes and Fogarty (medical sub). 
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 25, 2021, 05:19:54 PM
In: Marc Murphy, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Lachie Plowman
Out: Zac Fisher (ankle), Marc Pittonet (ankle), Nic Newman, Luke Parks
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Slowhand on June 25, 2021, 05:22:41 PM
Two defenders out.

Plowman in …

SPS or SMURF to play in defence….

Nooooooo
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 25, 2021, 05:27:16 PM
IC
[32] Jack Newnes,
[5] Sam Petrevski-Seton,
[3] Marc Murphy,
[8] Lachie Fogarty

Emergencies
[36] Josh Honey,
[24] Nic Newman,
[4] Lochie O'Brien,
[46] Matthew Cottrell

So who is the 7th defender??  Please not SPS!!

Depends on the matchups, but i'd prefer Cottrell as a defender, and maybe even Fogarty.
Both are accountable and love to tackle.

I'd play Murphy in the middle and have him changing with SPS up forward.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2021, 05:32:19 PM
FFS was Newman that bad last week …….
No Newman wasnt that bad IMO, I think Docherty or Stocker will lineup down back.....hope they dont do something dumb like stick Stocker on McAdam and get a repeat of the Liam Ryan scenario.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: blueboys_1 on June 25, 2021, 08:28:20 PM
IC
[32] Jack Newnes,
[5] Sam Petrevski-Seton,
[3] Marc Murphy,
[8] Lachie Fogarty

Emergencies
[36] Josh Honey,
[24] Nic Newman,
[4] Lochie O'Brien,
[46] Matthew Cottrell

So who is the 7th defender??  Please not SPS!!

Who is the second ruck?
Please not Harry too valuable down forward and too much of a chance of a knee injury against a seasoned ruck.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on June 26, 2021, 08:33:44 AM
Well the team has copped a week of heavy criticism.
Some individuals have even been 'named and shamed'
The captain has signed on for a long term deal showing he has faith in his team-mates and the direction we're heading.

If we can't respond this week there will really be no place to hide.
I just can't believe we won't see a 100% committed effort.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 26, 2021, 09:03:40 AM
I'm expecting a win, the opposition are not great and on the back of Cripps signing and Teague at the crossroads the players should respond. Blues by 25 points but I don't think it will stop the pressure each week that will keep building on club and coach.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 26, 2021, 09:36:51 AM
I've tipped us this week.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ianh on June 26, 2021, 10:26:20 AM
Seriously who do they expect to give TDK a chop-out in the ruck? Risk HMAc - hell no. Jones needed down back you would think - otherwise he'd be my suggestion. That leave Cripps and Silvagni - neither more than an emergency chop-out in my view. I accept there is no-one in the 2s that could come in given Levi's suspension (shocking timing) and Mirkov's injury (not that he isn't a million miles off ready for AFL but needs must). But that is where the MC has to think laterally. Can't find a ruckman? Then find a key defender and release Jones. Kemp may not be ready but you could find out. Parks may not be up to it but at least he gives a crack. Williamson has been playing third tall down back in the 2s. Or play Silvagni down back - at least he has discipline and endeavour. Any of those moves could free up Jones to play forward where he spent most of his admittedly disappointing early career and provide TDK with relief in the ruck. Jones may not be an AFL quality forward but he is closer than many on the list and I reckon could be interesting as a running ruckman in short bursts. But given the restraints we have I guess it will be Cripps and TDK as ruck and ruckrover with Kennedy relieving Cripps and Cripps relieving TDK as needed.

As for a result, my heart wants to say we will respond to all the criticism and smack a team we are better than, and there are reasons why we could and should do that, but my head says that if Adelaide turn up prepared to keep grinding they will be confident that Carlton will eventually find it too tough and turn  it up - it is what every side in the comp thinks and they seem to be right.  Prove them wrong Baggers and fight to the end.  Then this is winnable.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on June 26, 2021, 11:55:43 AM
If the team can't get wound up for this, we never will.
Title: Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 26, 2021, 01:56:38 PM
Seriously who do they expect to give TDK a chop-out in the ruck? Risk HMAc - hell no. Jones needed down back you would think - otherwise he'd be my suggestion. That leave Cripps and Silvagni - neither more than an emergency chop-out in my view. I accept there is no-one in the 2s that could come in given Levi's suspension (shocking timing) and Mirkov's injury (not that he isn't a million miles off ready for AFL but needs must). But that is where the MC has to think laterally. Can't find a ruckman? Then find a key defender and release Jones. Kemp may not be ready but you could find out. Parks may not be up to it but at least he gives a crack. Williamson has been playing third tall down back in the 2s. Or play Silvagni down back - at least he has discipline and endeavour. Any of those moves could free up Jones to play forward where he spent most of his admittedly disappointing early career and provide TDK with relief in the ruck. Jones may not be an AFL quality forward but he is closer than many on the list and I reckon could be interesting as a running ruckman in short bursts. But given the restraints we have I guess it will be Cripps and TDK as ruck and ruckrover with Kennedy relieving Cripps and Cripps relieving TDK as needed.

As for a result, my heart wants to say we will respond to all the criticism and smack a team we are better than, and there are reasons why we could and should do that, but my head says that if Adelaide turn up prepared to keep grinding they will be confident that Carlton will eventually find it too tough and turn  it up - it is what every side in the comp thinks and they seem to be right.  Prove them wrong Baggers and fight to the end.  Then this is winnable.

The problem is that taking Jones out of defence will leave a massive hole that we simply can't fill ... and his impact as a forward/ruck is unlikely to compensate.

I think that our only options are to use Harry and Crippa for forward line stoppages and give Jack an occasional turn in the ruck around the ground.

I hope the midfielders have worked hard preparing for stoppages with an uncompetitive ruckman.