We should beat Gold Coast, everything else being equal. We did it earlier this year.
Circumstances have changed. We barely have enough players to make a team. Gold Coast are playing better.
We don't know when or where the game will be held yet, just that there will be no supporters there.
Cane we get a ruck to back Jack Silvagni up? It is ridiculous that he has to do the job, but did he do it! Wunderbar!
I hope one of our rucks can come up.
Is Oscar McDonald back yet?
He'd have to be a better ruck option than SOS.
Can Mitch McGovern play ruck?
Kemp in for Newnes and give him a taste of it next week. If McGovern gets through a VFL game this weekend then bring him in too and he can split the ruck with JSOS if TDK doesn't get up.
Kemp in for Newnes and give him a taste of it next week. If McGovern gets through a VFL game this weekend then bring him in too and he can split the ruck with JSOS if TDK doesn't get up.
They are playing McGovern on the wing running behind the ball and FB in today's 2nd qtr.
Kemp in for Newnes and give him a taste of it next week. If McGovern gets through a VFL game this weekend then bring him in too and he can split the ruck with JSOS if TDK doesn't get up.
cripps should be rucking with jsos. No point going with a non mid. I notice Kennedy went in once or twice last night.
cripps should be rucking with jsos. No point going with a non mid. I notice Kennedy went in once or twice last night.
Neither club is ruck strong at the moment, so it will be interesting to see which way we go.
Can't see Cripps rucking if he has a crook back and crook feet, that would be asking for trouble!
Any official word on De Koning yet?
McGovern was OK in VFL ruck against a couple of massive units playing for Sandi, McGovern looked small then I realised Alabakis is over 210cm and probably looks 20kg or more heavier than McGovern, didn't really time his centre bounce jumps well, but McGovern's best game aspect was marking around the ground and he had the Sandi talls covered in this respect. It was pretty windy, and not good conditions for marking talls but McGovern with Phillips did very well given the conditions.
Levi could be back this week, but would he come straight in?
McDonald was supposed to be back but now he is not, not sure what is happening there.
If we leverage our height around the ground, assuming McKay plays, even with De Koning out we should do OK.
The trick as we have seen twice already in the last 3 weeks will be to exert pressure on the ball carrier and force long/high kicks for our talls to mark or bring to ground. If we have a week off and offer no pressure on the opposition ball carrier, and it could be another shock loss because at best we will probably break even in the midfield without De Koning!
Neither club is ruck strong at the moment, so it will be interesting to see which way we go.
Can't see Cripps rucking if he has a crook back and crook feet, that would be asking for trouble!
Any official word on De Koning yet?
McGovern was OK in VFL ruck against a couple of massive units playing for Sandi, McGovern looked small then I realised Alabakis is over 210cm and probably looks 20kg or more heavier than McGovern, didn't really time his centre bounce jumps well, but McGovern's best game aspect was marking around the ground and he had the Sandi talls covered in this respect. It was pretty windy, and not good conditions for marking talls but McGovern with Phillips did very well given the conditions.
Levi could be back this week, but would he come straight in?
McDonald was supposed to be back but now he is not, not sure what is happening there.
If we leverage our height around the ground, assuming McKay plays, even with De Koning out we should do OK.
The trick as we have seen twice already in the last 3 weeks will be to exert pressure on the ball carrier and force long/high kicks for our talls to mark or bring to ground. If we have a week off and offer no pressure on the opposition ball carrier, and it could be another shock loss because at best we will probably break even in the midfield without De Koning!
Zac Smith is 206cm but he was very average vs Gawn...I wouldnt be worried too much about the ruck, we could start Owies there and win with one leg in the air vs the Suns who are hopeless.
Should win this by 10 goals.
Suns will be looking to make ammends.
If we give them a sniff, we are in trouble with no rucks.
So we need to get on top early and they will fold.
Do we play Casboult? He'll be next to useless for most of the game. He'll lose the ruck but can't follow up like SOJ.
Do we play McGovern? I'd be more inclined to play him as at least he can play at either end....and he has a better leap than most.
Do we play McDonald? Not sure he is quite ready but is probably someone inbetween the other 2.
I think Cripps/SOS ruck combo is worth exploring.
No matter what we do, we won't win the ruck. So do we try and get as close as possible to 50-50 in the ruck, or do we go the complete opposite and concede the ruck but increase our ability to win the stoppages by playing a 'small ruck'. I reckon the latter.
Should win this by 10 goals.
Must win this by 10 goals but have to have the right attitude, smell the blood in the water and show no mercy.
We can't get away with only midget rucks all game. If TDK doesn't get up and I am hearing he won't then we need to get the tallest realistic option in. Casboult if he is fit, given that Mirkov even if over his knee which he isn't expected to be is barely VFL level ATM. If Casboult also doesn't come up then I think we need to craft a way to get Jones released from defensive duties to be first ruck with SOS a principal relief. OMac probably been out too long to rush into the ones. I think it comes down to Kemp or McG. McG if he pulls up well is probably the better option as he gives versatility. Eddie back if recovered which he seems confident of, likewise Williams although the official injury list suggests not. Owies might be in trouble after another quiet game, assuming Murphy is a protected species. Can't see too many others in the firing line. I guess SPS is a chance at a return to reward him for responding in the right way to demotion, but if he is out the door at the end of the season as some have it (Gold Coast is the rumour I have heard) then is there much point?
We can't get away with only midget rucks all game. If TDK doesn't get up and I am hearing he won't then we need to get the tallest realistic option in. Casboult if he is fit, given that Mirkov even if over his knee which he isn't expected to be is barely VFL level ATM. If Casboult also doesn't come up then I think we need to craft a way to get Jones released from defensive duties to be first ruck with SOS a principal relief. OMac probably been out too long to rush into the ones. I think it comes down to Kemp or McG. McG if he pulls up well is probably the better option as he gives versatility. Eddie back if recovered which he seems confident of, likewise Williams although the official injury list suggests not. Owies might be in trouble after another quiet game, assuming Murphy is a protected species. Can't see too many others in the firing line. I guess SPS is a chance at a return to reward him for responding in the right way to demotion, but if he is out the door at the end of the season as some have it (Gold Coast is the rumour I have heard) then is there much point?
Mirkov is little chance, Levi if they can strap him up like a mummy might be able to contribute. Problem is he has missed how many weeks? I think we will go in with pinch hitters which is ok, just have plan A and B ready to roll.
We can't get away with only midget rucks all game. If TDK doesn't get up and I am hearing he won't then we need to get the tallest realistic option in. Casboult if he is fit, given that Mirkov even if over his knee which he isn't expected to be is barely VFL level ATM. If Casboult also doesn't come up then I think we need to craft a way to get Jones released from defensive duties to be first ruck with SOS a principal relief. OMac probably been out too long to rush into the ones. I think it comes down to Kemp or McG. McG if he pulls up well is probably the better option as he gives versatility. Eddie back if recovered which he seems confident of, likewise Williams although the official injury list suggests not. Owies might be in trouble after another quiet game, assuming Murphy is a protected species. Can't see too many others in the firing line. I guess SPS is a chance at a return to reward him for responding in the right way to demotion, but if he is out the door at the end of the season as some have it (Gold Coast is the rumour I have heard) then is there much point?
Fyi, cripps is taller than McGovern.....and is soj.
So saying we should ruck gov because we can't go 2 smaller options is a little silly.
I'd ruck Mcgovern, bit of a change and challenge for him and have JSOS as backup.....not so keen on Cripps rucking due to his injuries and I'd rather have him on the deck where the ball will be.
McGovern wont win many tapouts but might work Zac Smith over around the ground and take a few marks and play that old fashioned follower role. As long as we have a decent lead at 3/4 time we should be ok....wouldnt want it to be too close late as our blokes wont be jumping and Smith will still be 206cm.
Got a reasonable midfield have GC and it will be interesting to see if Rowell and Walsh lineup on each other or they tag Walsh with another player.
Whe I say I'd ruck cripps, he be as #2 ruck...and wouldn't be jumping at centre bounces. He be grounded and use his body.
He already does this in the same way Hawkins does for the cats - takes the f50 throwins and grabs it out of the ruck to have a ping at the goals.
Do the same around the ground and instead of trying to get boot to ball, get a quick handball into space where we can run onto it.
Whe I say I'd ruck cripps, he be as #2 ruck...and wouldn't be jumping at centre bounces. He be grounded and use his body.
He already does this in the same way Hawkins does for the cats - takes the f50 throwins and grabs it out of the ruck to have a ping at the goals.
Do the same around the ground and instead of trying to get boot to ball, get a quick handball into space where we can run onto it.
Fair enough on the F50 ping at the goals stuff, better Cripps than Harry whose ruckwork is what I would describe as dainty at best...
Fair enough on the F50 ping at the goals stuff, better Cripps than Harry whose ruckwork is what I would describe as dainty at best...
Wouldn't you want and be better off having Cripps roving those F50 stoppages in Betts absence?
I think if Cripps is inside F50 for a stoppage and we ruck him, that is a stoppage win for the opposition!
Wouldn't you want and be better off having Cripps roving those F50 stoppages in Betts absence?
I think if Cripps is inside F50 for a stoppage and we ruck him, that is a stoppage win for the opposition!
We've been doing it all year already...or have you not noticed.
There is no need to rove the ball off the ground in a pack of 12 blokes if you have the ball in your hands already! Its not rocket science.
We've been doing it all year already...or have you not noticed.
There is no need to rove the ball off the ground in a pack of 12 blokes if you have the ball in your hands already! Its not rocket science.
Most of that earlier in the season was Casboult with Cripps roving, in Casboult's absence whenever De Koning or Pittonet aren't there to push forward it's mostly been BigH rucking stoppages. The "all year" you refer to is basically since De Koning has been solo rucking, and even then it's only been some stoppages that Cripps has tried to ruck.
When Cripps and BigH have rucked inside F50 they've been barely effective, so we are stopping an A-Grade stoppage player from doing what he is good at to be a C-Grade ruck option.
So, I think having Cripps do that ruck work is a negative, I'd rather see SoJ ruck and have Cripps rove to it.
Most of that earlier in the season was Casboult with Cripps roving, in Casboult's absence whenever De Koning or Pittonet aren't there to push forward it's mostly been BigH rucking stoppages.
Aren't there? Or designed not to be there.
Better to have a big ruck (or 2) forming the wall for a long kick on the way out, and get it in the hands of someone who can use it better if they do get it.
As i said, Geelong use the tactic and they have some of the fittest rucks in the game, yet they've been using Hawkins in the same role for years.
Aren't there? Or designed not to be there.
That is irrelevant, it's not what is being discussed.
We are debating Cripps to ruck or Cripps to rove, not what the other rucks or KPPs do.
That is irrelevant, it's not what is being discussed.
We are debating Cripps to ruck or Cripps to rove, not what the other rucks or KPPs do.
So if Cripps is rucking, its because our other rucks are not. Do i need to draw you a diagram?
The question is are our other rucks NOT rucking by design....i say yes.
Reason - Geelong have been doing the same thing for years.
Result - Goals.
I’m just wondering if our unpredictable 22 have had a good look at AFL Predictor and have worked out that if results go the way they should (including us winning), we will be in the 8 come next Monday?!?!
I’m just wondering if our unpredictable 22 have had a good look at AFL Predictor and have worked out that if results go the way they should (including us winning), we will be in the 8 come next Monday?!?!
I just did this...
https://predictor.squiggle.com.au/
after putting in the Port result.
We ended up 11-11 and in 7th the first iteration!
Who would have thought after round 19 we would be on the same wins as Richmond! 😀
So if Cripps is rucking, its because our other rucks are not. Do i need to draw you a diagram?
None of the other makeshift ruck options can do what Cripps does at a ground level stoppage, that is probably the key point.
Having Cripps ruck and leaving others to rove / ruck rove the stoppage is like shuffling everybody into their less than best position. I can't see a massive benefit having Cripps ruck over SoJ, McGovern, BigH or whoever else we have inside F50 at the time given we may have no rucks at all.
In fact I'd be keen for BigH to be coached to ignore the tap and try to draw one or two frees while rucking, as he is very likely to kick goals from a free anywhere inside the F50 arc. I think that is more analogous to Hawkins rucking than anything other scenario.
Ruck no-one and have an extra on the ground. Saw it in the women's semi final when they lost a ruckman before half time and the extra on the ground worked a treat. Don't do it all the time to remain unpredictable but do it often.
Win and we're possible be in the 8. Will sit in the 8 for 2 hours as we are first up on Saturday with a win. Then we need Dogs to beat Essendon, North to beat Richmond and Brisbane to beat Freo. Then we sit in the 8 at the end of the round.
Ruck no-one and have an extra on the ground. Saw it in the women's semi final when they lost a ruckman before half time and the extra on the ground worked a treat. Don't do it all the time to remain unpredictable but do it often.
Yep agreed, being unpredictable is probably the best option.
JSOS absolutely killed it in the ruck last week. Just keep the status quo, and let him do it again. We may have stumbled into a great new tactic. He was awesome with his pressure and as the “extra” mid fielder. Keep it going until it stops working.
GC will, amongst a lot of others, not have Ellis or Greenwood.
Still missing/lacking talls forward and back, midfield thin after Miller and Swallow (Rowell has been a shadow post injury)
They are no chance, unless we play like we did against North!
Ruck no-one and have an extra on the ground. Saw it in the women's semi final when they lost a ruckman before half time and the extra on the ground worked a treat. Don't do it all the time to remain unpredictable but do it often.
Kennedy tried that a couple of times (don't really blame him!) and the Saints got easy centre clearances.
Kennedy tried that a couple of times (don't really blame him!) and the Saints got easy centre clearances.
Not sure it works in the centre, there is too much time and space around the circle, but I think it can work around the ground occasionally.
Kennedy didn't really look happy! ;D
Not sure it works in the centre, there is too much time and space around the circle, but I think it can work around the ground occasionally.
Kennedy didn't really look happy! ;D
I think that it's essential that we put a body on the opposition ruckman at around the ground contests, even if our bloke doesn't actually contest the hitout. Giving even an average ruckman a free hitout is virtually giving up a clearance. Making him worry about an opponent increases our chances of sharking the hitout, particularly if, like SOS, that opponent has the nous and reaction time to make a second effort.
JSOS absolutely killed it in the ruck last week. Just keep the status quo, and let him do it again. We may have stumbled into a great new tactic. He was awesome with his pressure and as the “extra” mid fielder. Keep it going until it stops working.
Hmm I think Richmond did it with Grieg in 2017? Also Picket has done it this year for Richmond. But I won't tell anyone if you don't :D :D
Kennedy tried that a couple of times (don't really blame him!) and the Saints got easy centre clearances.
They won the hitouts 69-12 but the clearances by just 3.
TDK looks likes a reasonable chance to play based on the injury report, but Eddie is less likely. I'd look at resting Owies and bringing in Gov. Create a real problem with the 3 talls up forward and see how it pans out. Still have Fisher, E Curnow, Honey and Martin all lurking up forward around the big boys.
TDK looks likes a reasonable chance to play based on the injury report, but Eddie is less likely. I'd look at resting Owies and bringing in Gov. Create a real problem with the 3 talls up forward and see how it pans out. Still have Fisher, E Curnow, Honey and Martin all lurking up forward around the big boys.
Surely TDK being a potential play is hyperbole. I'd be more worried about Harry not playing. He looked a bit proppy and is no guarantee to play again this week.
TDK wont play surely (i have been wrong before). If anything its all a bit of gamesmanship to make Gold Coast plan for the possibility of having a genuine ruck contest.
Gold Coast might have Ellis and Day back in.
Connor Budarick Knee Season
Matt Conroy Knee Season
Brandon Ellis Hamstring Test (2 weeks ago, it was listed as a 3 week injury, rolling the dice?)
Hugh Greenwood Knee Season
Nick Holman Abdomen TBC
Jack Hombsch Sternum TBC
Oleg Markov Hamstring 1 week
Rhys Nicholls Back Indefinite
Rory Thompson Knee Season
Lachie Weller Concussion Test
Jarrod Witts Knee Season
Updated: Tuesday, August 3
Early prognosis
In good news Ellis is back training with the senior team, will do the main session on Thursday and is expected to be available this weekend. Sam Day played the opening 10 minutes of Saturday's abandoned VFL game and could come into consideration this week after overcoming a foot problem. - Michael Whiting
Gold Coast might have Ellis and Day back in.
Connor Budarick Knee Season
Matt Conroy Knee Season
Brandon Ellis Hamstring Test (2 weeks ago, it was listed as a 3 week injury, rolling the dice?)
Hugh Greenwood Knee Season
Nick Holman Abdomen TBC
Jack Hombsch Sternum TBC
Oleg Markov Hamstring 1 week
Rhys Nicholls Back Indefinite
Rory Thompson Knee Season
Lachie Weller Concussion Test
Jarrod Witts Knee Season
Updated: Tuesday, August 3
Early prognosis
In good news Ellis is back training with the senior team, will do the main session on Thursday and is expected to be available this weekend. Sam Day played the opening 10 minutes of Saturday's abandoned VFL game and could come into consideration this week after overcoming a foot problem. - Michael Whiting
We should flog them and build up the percentage...7 goals plus win......
I'm thinking 10 at least.
I'm thinking 10 at least.
Im thinking "We Are Carlton", win the unwinable, lose the unlosable. Until they stop doing that, it will remain in my psyche.
Just like it to destroy Dew.
Just like it to destroy Dew.
then hire him as an assistant to Teague.
then hire him as an assistant to Teague.
He'd eat all the pies ...
Just like it to destroy Dew.
then hire him as an assistant to Teague.
He'd eat all the pies ...
Then we need to get Rats back and fourntwenty onboard as sponsor…
Im thinking "We Are Carlton", win the unwinable, lose the unlosable. Until they stop doing that, it will remain in my psyche.
Hard to argue, but gee, this was their team last week. And I reckon Guv will come in for TDK.
Rather get TDK right for Port.
Collins and Burgess both 194 odd (JSOS' height).
Harry is 204, plus wing span advantage.....
Get the ball in quickly, give him space, and have Betts/Owies loitering.
Hard to argue, but gee, this was their team last week. And I reckon Guv will come in for TDK.
Rather get TDK right for Port.
Collins and Burgess both 194 odd (JSOS' height).
Harry is 204, plus wing span advantage.....
Get the ball in quickly, give him space, and have Betts/Owies loitering.
No doubt mate, on paper we should smash them but we seem to find a way to mess up opportunities.
No doubt mate, on paper we should smash them but we seem to find a way to mess up opportunities.
That's the old Carlton, the new one emerged last week. Get with the times.
That's the old Carlton, the new one emerged last week. Get with the times.
Maybe we bookmark this post and come back to it?
No doubt mate, on paper we should smash them but we seem to find a way to mess up opportunities.
That we do.
Maybe we bookmark this post and come back to it?
Ye of such little faith.
Im thinking "We Are Carlton", win the unwinable, lose the unlosable. Until they stop doing that, it will remain in my psyche.
And that is the issue, right there. This week we are expected to win, and win well. Gulp.
Three options: just win against an opponent we should beat comfortably (our pattern), lose to a side we should beat (our pattern) or break the pattern and win well.
And that is the issue, right there. This week we are expected to win, and win well. Gulp.
Three options: just win against an opponent we should beat comfortably (our pattern), lose to a side we should beat (our pattern) or break the pattern and win well.
Anybody who points out who should win and by how much before they actually see which players are playing in the team are setting themselves up for disappointment.
I always wait until the teams are announced. Our hopes depend on who is in the team (or who isn't) and how that changes our team balance.
For the past 2 weeks i've gone against convention and got the winner right. That is based off who is actually playing.
Without a ruck (and 2 key forwards + 2 key back) we are behind the 8-ball before the ball is bounced.
With them all, lock it in.
And that is the issue, right there. This week we are expected to win, and win well. Gulp.
Three options: just win against an opponent we should beat comfortably (our pattern), lose to a side we should beat (our pattern) or break the pattern and win well.
North have been in much better form than their ladder position suggests. The Suns, on the other hand ...
Of course, Dew could get the Suns up for the game but, realistically, we should win well. The question for me is whether we stay ruthless or take the foot off the pedal and coast home.
Suns were very poor last game so there has to be some extra effort from them which might reduce the margin but if we cant beat these hackers by at least 5 goals we probably didnt turn up to play.
He'd eat all the pies ...
That might be ok too. Good for revenue!
That might be ok too. Good for revenue!
He'd probably eat Fish and Fog as well!
goldies to answer critics and we will be like 5/6 goals up at 3/4 time and they will kick 4 in row and us to win by 15 pts
If we can replicate the intensity and good ball movement from last week we should win comfortably....even moreso if TDK gets up.
Betts in for Owies is the only change. But McGovern and Casboult listed as emergencies so wouldn't surprise if TDK doesn't get up.
Line up :
That's not a bad line up on paper. Good to see LoB get another chance.
Milestone game : Murphy's 299th lol.
Surely tdk won't play.
We have to name him to make the opposition honest but if I were them if be planning on less de koning and more Jack in the ruck.
Even with 16 injuries it's funny that I don't even think that is our best team.
I think Kemp, McGovern and Fogarty should be in team. Murphy, Newnes and Plowman... not so much.
Even with 16 injuries it's funny that I don't even think that is our best team.
I think Kemp, McGovern and Fogarty should be in team. Murphy, Newnes and Plowman... not so much.
I'm sorry, but anyone who says Plowman isn't in our best team is kidding themselves.
How many times has he ever been dropped?
The MC give him a job and while he is not perfect, he performs those jobs better than anyone on our list is capable of doing it.
Thats why he is so highly rated in the B+F results.
Further to the above, suggesting Kemp is in our best side is also kidding themselves. He hasn't even played a game of AFL footy yet. He's probably only played a handful of VFL games. I'm not saying don't pick him, but playing him in front of 100, 200, 300 game players and saying he is better is laughable.
Even with 16 injuries it's funny that I don't even think that is our best team.
I think Kemp, McGovern and Fogarty should be in team. Murphy, Newnes and Plowman... not so much.
mml. I really don't get the Plowman thing. Would be in the first 10-12 picked. Always in the pointy end of the B&F. When he doesn't play the small/medium forwards have a picnic. Yeah he is no superstar and hasn't lived up to being a pick 3, but he is panels ahead of anything else we have. If he is fit. He plays for mine.
I get why Murphy is there but he'd want to apply a heck of a lot more defensive pressure when he's on the ground this week or he'll give his detractors more ammo.
Even with 16 injuries it's funny that I don't even think that is our best team.
I think Kemp, McGovern and Fogarty should be in team. Murphy, Newnes and Plowman... not so much.
16? A bit of mayo on that number.
Eddie Betts Named
1 Jordan Boyd Knee "We won't see him for at least a month." Update: 6 July
Levi Casboult Named
2 David Cuningham Knee Out for remainder of season.
Tom De Koning Named
3 Sam Docherty Ankle "He won't play again in the home-and-away season." Update: 26 July
4 Michael Gibbons Hamstring Out for remainder of season. Update: 26 July
5 Caleb Marchbank Knee Out for remainder of season.
6 Oscar McDonald Back "We think he needs a couple of weeks of full training to get back to playing but it’s looking like we’ll see him again this year, which is really exciting." Update: 20 July
Mitch McGovern Named
7 Alex Mirkov Knee "We're getting him in shape to play: whether he plays this year remains to be seen." Update: 13 July
8 Sam Philp Groin Out for remainder of season.
9 Marc Pittonet Ankle Returning to running this week: chance to return in final weeks of season. Update: 26 July
10 Will Setterfield Groin Experiencing low-grade groin soreness. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
11 Zac Williams Hamstring Low-grade hamstring. Expected to miss 2-3 weeks. Update: 26 July
16? A bit of mayo on that number.
Eddie Betts Named
1 Jordan Boyd Knee "We won't see him for at least a month." Update: 6 July
Levi Casboult Named
2 David Cuningham Knee Out for remainder of season.
Tom De Koning Named
3 Sam Docherty Ankle "He won't play again in the home-and-away season." Update: 26 July
4 Michael Gibbons Hamstring Out for remainder of season. Update: 26 July
5 Caleb Marchbank Knee Out for remainder of season.
6 Oscar McDonald Back "We think he needs a couple of weeks of full training to get back to playing but it’s looking like we’ll see him again this year, which is really exciting." Update: 20 July
Mitch McGovern Named
7 Alex Mirkov Knee "We're getting him in shape to play: whether he plays this year remains to be seen." Update: 13 July
8 Sam Philp Groin Out for remainder of season.
9 Marc Pittonet Ankle Returning to running this week: chance to return in final weeks of season. Update: 26 July
10 Will Setterfield Groin Experiencing low-grade groin soreness. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
11 Zac Williams Hamstring Low-grade hamstring. Expected to miss 2-3 weeks. Update: 26 July
Docherty, Williams and maybe Cuningham the only three walk up starts... And that's being very generous on their 2021 output. Injuries haven't been that unkind to us.
16? A bit of mayo on that number.
Eddie Betts Named
1 Jordan Boyd Knee "We won't see him for at least a month." Update: 6 July
Levi Casboult Named
2 David Cuningham Knee Out for remainder of season.
Tom De Koning Named
3 Sam Docherty Ankle "He won't play again in the home-and-away season." Update: 26 July
4 Michael Gibbons Hamstring Out for remainder of season. Update: 26 July
5 Caleb Marchbank Knee Out for remainder of season.
6 Oscar McDonald Back "We think he needs a couple of weeks of full training to get back to playing but it’s looking like we’ll see him again this year, which is really exciting." Update: 20 July
Mitch McGovern Named
7 Alex Mirkov Knee "We're getting him in shape to play: whether he plays this year remains to be seen." Update: 13 July
8 Sam Philp Groin Out for remainder of season.
9 Marc Pittonet Ankle Returning to running this week: chance to return in final weeks of season. Update: 26 July
10 Will Setterfield Groin Experiencing low-grade groin soreness. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
11 Zac Williams Hamstring Low-grade hamstring. Expected to miss 2-3 weeks. Update: 26 July
McGovern hasn't played a game in 2 months. He's still on the injury list for me. I'd still rate Charlie as an injury to be honest. Yeah he may be back on the park but miles off being back free from injury. Likewise Murphy who clearly isn't right and shouldn't be playing.
De Koning is no guarantee to play. And why claim Casboult isn't out injured - because he's named on emergency? Hasn't played in a month or more.
I get why Murphy is there but he'd want to apply a heck of a lot more defensive pressure when he's on the ground this week or he'll give his detractors more ammo.
I don't think Murph gives a fat rat's clacker about his detractors ::)
Docherty, Williams and maybe Cuningham the only three walk up starts... And that's being very generous on their 2021 output. Injuries haven't been that unkind to us.
Injuries haven't been that unkind?
2 games ago we didn't have a key forward on the park, and we are playing jack silvagni as relief ruck for at least 4 matches now.
Our list might be smaller than it was last week, but that doesn't mean we haven't 17 names on it less than 2 weeks ago, even if some of them did play last week. Harry wasn't exactly running last week whilst on the park.
Murphy looked very slow last week and got caught with the ball pretty much every time he got it....a nice goal at the end was about all. If it gets him to 300 then so be it....I reckon he's earned it over the journey. I think Eddie is only a bee's away from 350??
Murphy looked very slow last week and got caught with the ball pretty much every time he got it....a nice goal at the end was about all. If it gets him to 300 then so be it....I reckon he's earned it over the journey. I think Eddie is only a bee's away from 350??
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Murphy looked very slow last week and got caught with the ball pretty much every time he got it....a nice goal at the end was about all. If it gets him to 300 then so be it....I reckon he's earned it over the journey. I think Eddie is only a bee's away from 350??
I don’t begrudge Murph his 300 but I have to agree that he does look to have slowed up a lot. I looked back at some of his early games for us recently and he looked pretty damn good back then and the comparison with today is stark. Eddie though, afaic at least, can still conjure up some magic on occasions.
Murphy looked very slow last week and got caught with the ball pretty much every time he got it....a nice goal at the end was about all. If it gets him to 300 then so be it....I reckon he's earned it over the journey. I think Eddie is only a bee's away from 350??
The way Eddie has performed this year he looks like he could go to 400. He deserves to be that and an icon of the game.
At the time I was on the fence of letting Adelaide have Eddie, and by the end of it, was happy to see him gone, but Ill put my hand up and state that this decision was possibly the worst we have made as a footy club in the last 30 years (that is a massive statement in itself).
The way Eddie has performed this year he looks like he could go to 400. He deserves to be that and an icon of the game.
At the time I was on the fence of letting Adelaide have Eddie, and by the end of it, was happy to see him gone, but Ill put my hand up and state that this decision was possibly the worst we have made as a footy club in the last 30 years (that is a massive statement in itself).
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The way Eddie has performed this year he looks like he could go to 400. He deserves to be that and an icon of the game.
At the time I was on the fence of letting Adelaide have Eddie, and by the end of it, was happy to see him gone, but Ill put my hand up and state that this decision was possibly the worst we have made as a footy club in the last 30 years (that is a massive statement in itself).
Well Thry, we have certainly made some doozies over that time but, you're right! If it's not the worst decision, it has to be very close behind.
The only saving grace is that Eddie would probably have retired years ago if he had stayed with us.
The way Eddie has performed this year he looks like he could go to 400. He deserves to be that and an icon of the game.
At the time I was on the fence of letting Adelaide have Eddie, and by the end of it, was happy to see him gone, but Ill put my hand up and state that this decision was possibly the worst we have made as a footy club in the last 30 years (that is a massive statement in itself).
Eddie himself said he needed to go.
He was drinking heaps and on his way to depression (if not already there).
The fresh start gave him new life and new love for the game.
Then he was able to come back and it happened again, got a 3rd lease of life.
Had he stayed, he wouldn't have been the same player, and wouldn't still be playing.
Eddie himself said he needed to go.
He was drinking heaps and on his way to depression (if not already there).
The fresh start gave him new life and new love for the game.
Then he was able to come back and it happened again, got a 3rd lease of life.
Had he stayed, he wouldn't have been the same player, and wouldn't still be playing.
This is true, or maybe he would have left a few years back when the rebuild started and ended up somewhere where he could have won a flag.
Or maybe, he would have hit his 400 game milestone with Carlton, Yaz and Garlett might not have gone off the rails, and we might have won a flag with malthouse.
Who knows? This what if game has many answers, but the one thing that I can be certain about is that with the benefit of hindsight that was a shocking call.
This is true, or maybe he would have left a few years back when the rebuild started and ended up somewhere where he could have won a flag.
Never going to win a flag with Malthouse! He tore the guts out of the club after the gains Ratten had made.
That’s why we had to start from scratch
Or maybe, he would have hit his 400 game milestone with Carlton, Yaz and Garlett might not have gone off the rails, and we might have won a flag with malthouse.
Who knows? This what if game has many answers, but the one thing that I can be certain about is that with the benefit of hindsight that was a shocking call.
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Eddie himself said he needed to go.
He was drinking heaps and on his way to depression (if not already there).
The fresh start gave him new life and new love for the game.
Then he was able to come back and it happened again, got a 3rd lease of life.
Had he stayed, he wouldn't have been the same player, and wouldn't still be playing.
That’s an interesting reflection on life at CFC.
The entire '30' thing is just between the lugholes. So often what really good players lose in a yard of pace they make up for with footy smarts.
Personally, I reckon this is our most important game of the year. As I mentioned previously, this is the chance to break a pattern which can only result in stepping up a notch. But we must bring what we did last week, and more, and win well. My worry is the motivation. Last week we had huge motivation - the horror story of the week prior. Against Rottingwood there was the motivation of SOJ/SOS/Serge and a traditional rival.
Our primary motivation to win this one is discipline, leadership, intensity and sustained excellence, a commitment to ourselves, the jumper, to our team mates. The secondary motivation is to keep our slim finals chance alive which keeps high importance in our next game.
Seeing how the orange team responds to their debacle of last week will also be of interest. We should expect their best.
Injuries haven't been that unkind?
2 games ago we didn't have a key forward on the park, and we are playing jack silvagni as relief ruck for at least 4 matches now.
Our list might be smaller than it was last week, but that doesn't mean we haven't 17 names on it less than 2 weeks ago, even if some of them did play last week. Harry wasn't exactly running last week whilst on the park.
Harry missed one game where structurally we fell to pieces.
Levi, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield, McDonald, Gibbons, Marchbank, McGovern. All seconds players. If the club is using injuries to these guys as an excuse, I suppose that tells you why we are where we are.
Harry missed one game where structurally we fell to pieces.
Levi, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield, McDonald, Gibbons, Marchbank, McGovern. All seconds players. If the club is using injuries to these guys as an excuse, I suppose that tells you why we are where we are.
I suspect that it was more a case of poor structure to start with than falling to pieces. Our lack of KPP depth presented a challenge to the coaches and they weren't able to meet the challenge.
I don't think the club has brought up injuries as an excuse, it's supporters who do that. More to the point, most of the players you mention, if fit, would press for selection at most clubs. We are were we are because we lack depth and the coach and his assistants are too easily wrong-footed by circumstances and opposition tactics.
Harry missed one game where structurally we fell to pieces.
Levi, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield, McDonald, Gibbons, Marchbank, McGovern. All seconds players. If the club is using injuries to these guys as an excuse, I suppose that tells you why we are where we are.
When you lose all key forwards and all ruckmen and are left with SOS in the ruck and Owies at full forward you don't think that's relevant at all?
When you lose all key forwards and all ruckmen and are left with SOS in the ruck and Owies at full forward you don't think that's relevant at all?
(Be careful not to take the bait from suspected trolls!)
What a roller coaster. First week I have cared about our match in a couple of months.
Reminds me of the gold coast game when Ratten was sacked. We were all focusing on the following week and clearly so were the players.
What a roller coaster. First week I have cared about our match in a couple of months.
Reminds me of the gold coast game when Ratten was sacked. We were all focusing on the following week and clearly so were the players.
We are Carlton, lose the unlosable.