Just on 3AW the TT will be gone at season end. First of a number of changes. No confirmation from the club as yet.
If true...
We'll scour the land for an appropriate replacement.
Using an exhaustive process we will whittle it down to a core group of potential candidates.
Conduct an thorough interview process where each candidate will present their plans for the future and the resources they'll require.
...and then we'll appoint Clarkson. ::)
CFC now saying they have not spoken to Teague and 3AW starting to backtrack. Wtf is going on?
The circus is in town
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.59b46899a55057f6d7e18f26316e77c5?rik=6EbGlngYrbm2ZQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcharlottesmartypants.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f01%2fRBBB-Group-Clown.jpg&ehk=M1l6WlpjhzzdUjbvdJxK1IBS24NV%2beeqghf0ET64z2A%3d&risl=1&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
The club is still leaking...??
CFC now saying they have not spoken to Teague and 3AW starting to backtrack. Wtf is going on?
COVID-19 journalism 101.
Sit at home in your underpants and invent Dr Flogs Imaginarium!
COVID-19 journalism 101.
Sit at home in your underpants and invent Dr Flogs Imaginarium!
They said they haven't told Teague yet lol
Just on 3AW the TT will be gone at season end. First of a number of changes. No confirmation from the club as yet.
The Club has asked 3AW to retract the statement.
The Club has asked 3AW to restrict the statement.
I think the word was retract.
Personally, if I were Carlton, I'd extend Teague now just to put the AFL media in it's place, by undermining our club's public profile it harms our progress as much as any poor on field performance can.
I think the word was retract.
Personally, if I were Carlton, I'd extend Teague now just to put the AFL media in it's place, by undermining our club's public profile it harms our progress as much as any poor on field performance can.
Spell check overwrite driving me nuts. Any idea how to turn it off?
Spell check overwrite driving me nuts. Any idea how to turn it off?
We've all suffered from autoerect for yields and yields, now we can only time in American FB languish.
Spell check overwrite driving me nuts. Any idea how to turn it off?
on ipad it’s in Settings, General, Keyboard.
So Teague is not gone..... until next week?
So Teague is not gone..... until next week?
Surely not if the club has asked 3AW to retract their statement.
Fck this, again we’re letting the media dictate our future.
Stick fat ffs!
Geezus H is this not the exact same thing that happened with Ratts in an injury plagued season, losing to GC, sacked for that money hungry egotistical pig MM!? And we’re seriously doing this again?
So many people thrive on misery and discontent. As dysfunctional as we are, not even we would do that.
If this is fake news we should sue that radio station to extinction.
The club is still leaking...??
Those sneaky leakers...lol.
The stories of Lloyd and Teague on the move out, might indicate more changes with this current review by what I have heard.
The football media are parasites and scavengers and we're the carrion of choice.
But a lot of this is self inflicted.
The only way to avoid this is to give them nothing to feed on.
1) If you produce the vastly different performances we do you give them a target they can spot a mile away. Last week we made a team look ordinary. A team that on the weekend rolled a well performing top eight side. On the other hand with essentially the same side that beat St Kilda we get beaten by a team several places below us. That inconsistency of effort can't go unnoticed.
2) The calling of a review half way through a season is increasingly looking like a dumb decision...just dumb!
"It's not about the coach"... the club said.
But it was always a reflection on the coach, and has put unneeded pressure on him and the playing group just for the sake of being seen to be doing something...and given the media plenty to ponder and write about.
There's a section of this club that needs a clean-out and it's not necessarily confined to the football department.
Shall we say perhaps more likely now than this time yesterday?
Its inevitable. The first thread we created for the next one should speculate on how long.
A better question i have.
When Teague gets sacked, how long does the next guy get?
Its inevitable. The first thread we created for the next one should speculate on how long.
A better question i have.
When Teague gets sacked, how long does the next guy get?
Less of course !
He’ll inherit AA CHB, MID and FF.
No flag yr 1 sack him !
Even the coaches are soft, gotta get a pressure on them so they perform, or else…
🙄
Put the long list of sackings aside for a minute and the fact that Teague is a good bloke. Clarkson is considered the best in the business and 10 clubs have enquired about his services for next year (HS report). Are we being derelict in our duty to not try and obtain the best coach of this generation? Just asking for a friend.
Put the long list of sackings aside for a minute and the fact that Teague is a good bloke. Clarkson is considered the best in the business and 10 clubs have enquired about his services for next year (HS report). Are we being derelict in our duty to not try and obtain the best coach of this generation? Just asking for a friend.
Get him as senior assistant for next year. Sure.
Put the long list of sackings aside for a minute and the fact that Teague is a good bloke. Clarkson is considered the best in the business and 10 clubs have enquired about his services for next year (HS report). Are we being derelict in our duty to not try and obtain the best coach of this generation? Just asking for a friend.
I did think about this. Then I remembered mick malthouse.
Mick wanted us to bring in his type of players so we could play his way.
Look how his tenure at hawthorn has gone since that started with clarko.
Put the long list of sackings aside for a minute and the fact that Teague is a good bloke. Clarkson is considered the best in the business and 10 clubs have enquired about his services for next year (HS report). Are we being derelict in our duty to not try and obtain the best coach of this generation? Just asking for a friend.
I do like this new "just asking for a friend" tagline you've recently started using.
The only risk for Clarkson next season (assuming that a. he still wants to coach, and b. wants to coach us) is that we take someone else for next season and he misses the boat. The scenario that would work out nicely for him is that we keep Teague for next season, while Clarko suns himself in the Caribbean as Hawthorn picks up the tab. Then in 2023 when the cash runs out, he comes to us.
I'm not sure about dereliction of duty. There's only one other club that has a recycled coach, and that's St Kilda. The other clubs will start to get fidgety if we hang onto Teague and give him a few years, because they will know that we are starting to get it. In much the same way as folks talk about developing players, we must also develop coaches. That was the idea with Bolton and the kids. Develop and grow together, like the other clubs do. It didn't work in that instance, but the principle is right IMO.
Just answering to a mate. ;D
I do like this new "just asking for a friend" tagline you've recently started using.
The only risk for Clarkson next season (assuming that a. he still wants to coach, and b. wants to coach us) is that we take someone else for next season and he misses the boat. The scenario that would work out nicely for him is that we keep Teague for next season, while Clarko suns himself in the Caribbean as Hawthorn picks up the tab. Then in 2023 when the cash runs out, he comes to us.
I'm not sure about dereliction of duty. There's only one other club that has a recycled coach, and that's St Kilda. The other clubs will start to get fidgety if we hang onto Teague and give him a few years, because they will know that we are starting to get it. In much the same way as folks talk about developing players, we must also develop coaches. That was the idea with Bolton and the kids. Develop and grow together, like the other clubs do. It didn't work in that instance, but the principle is right IMO.
Just answering to a mate. ;D
Nice one Pauly ;). I dont dispute development of coaches, been saying it myself for a while only to be shot down because many think coaches are just meant to know what to do, we aren't a training centre. As a football club, we are in the business of winning games of football, so how do we give ourselves the best chance of winning? We recruit the best players and hire the best coaches. If we hadn't sacked 4 coaches in the last 10 odd years, would you move Teague on to get the best coach in business?
Maybe another way of asking the question I asked earlier for a friend ( ;D ) is do we think will Teague be a four time premiership coach by the time he is 53?
Nice one Pauly ;). I dont dispute development of coaches, been saying it myself for a while only to be shot down because many think coaches are just meant to know what to do, we aren't a training centre. As a football club, we are in the business of winning games of football, so how do we give ourselves the best chance of winning? We recruit the best players and hire the best coaches. If we hadn't sacked 4 coaches in the last 10 odd years, would you move Teague on to get the best coach in business?
Maybe another way of asking the question I asked earlier for a friend ( ;D ) is do we think will Teague be a four time premiership coach by the time he is 53?
He definitely won't if we sack him, and the worst part of it we will have wrecked two coaches chances in the space of 3 years. A new record even by our lofty standards.
No disrespect intended but Teaugejust not up to the challenge of his post. Nice guy gets on with the team , all important attributes, but lost as a tactician on game day , slow to react and nothing fresh from him for the whole of 2021 season.
Can’t see him remaining as head coach, given the potential coaches available there’s plenty of talent , we’ve got to get a move on.
Nice one Pauly ;). I dont dispute development of coaches, been saying it myself for a while only to be shot down because many think coaches are just meant to know what to do, we aren't a training centre. As a football club, we are in the business of winning games of football, so how do we give ourselves the best chance of winning? We recruit the best players and hire the best coaches. If we hadn't sacked 4 coaches in the last 10 odd years, would you move Teague on to get the best coach in business?
Maybe another way of asking the question I asked earlier for a friend ( ;D ) is do we think will Teague be a four time premiership coach by the time he is 53?
As with anything involving human behaviour (the so called soft sciences) knowing when to keep and when to discard a coach is not a precise science by any means. I think we need a new starting point, which is to basically do what the Pies, Cats, Hawks, Tigers etc. have done. Evaluate Teague properly, find out things like if he is a problem, has premiership potential etc., then act based on that. I wouldn't make any decision on him until that happens.
At this point I don't see Teague as a premiership coach. But it is way too early to be making that call, and unfair on him by some margin IMO. Does anyone see Dew as a flag coach ? Longmuir ? Nicks ? Rutten ?
What gives us the best chance of winning ? Get the board in order first - more important than the coach. As outsiders we only see the tip of the iceberg, and that in itself is a big problem.
I understand the appeal of Clarkson. He is, in a way, the ultimate messiah, and therefore the ultimate temptation. I'm certainly tempted, but I just think in this instance we need to resist the temptation.
I'm not sure if I've answered all your questions. Let me know.
As with anything involving human behaviour (the so called soft sciences) knowing when to keep and when to discard a coach is not a precise science by any means. I think we need a new starting point, which is to basically do what the Pies, Cats, Hawks, Tigers etc. have done. Evaluate Teague properly, find out things like if he is a problem, has premiership potential etc., then act based on that. I wouldn't make any decision on him until that happens.
At this point I don't see Teague as a premiership coach. But it is way too early to be making that call, and unfair on him by some margin IMO. Does anyone see Dew as a flag coach ? Longmuir ? Nicks ? Rutten ?
What gives us the best chance of winning ? Get the board in order first - more important than the coach. As outsiders we only see the tip of the iceberg, and that in itself is a big problem.
I understand the appeal of Clarkson. He is, in a way, the ultimate messiah, and therefore the ultimate temptation. I'm certainly tempted, but I just think in this instance we need to resist the temptation.
I'm not sure if I've answered all your questions. Let me know.
Fair enough, I do hate the word messiah as it has a negative connotation more often than not. As I said before, you want to hire the best people possible through proper analysis to match your strategic plan. People can see them as messiahs, I just see them as high end quality people/resources.
Fair enough, I do hate the word messiah as it has a negative connotation more often than not. As I said before, you want to hire the best people possible through proper analysis to match your strategic plan. People can see them as messiahs, I just see them as high end quality people/resources.
Those are fair points. I should also add that Clarkson hasn't won a final since 2015, and they currently sit 14th. I don't wish to start yet another coach v list debate, but these are things worth bearing in mind IMO. If you want to look at immediate form before hiring a coach, I'd just like to say that Malthouse had Pies purring in 2011 - 20W, 2L, 167.7%. Some were saying he was past it - how then do we judge Clarko ?
Those are fair points. I should also add that Clarkson hasn't won a final since 2015, and they currently sit 14th. I don't wish to start yet another coach v list debate, but these are things worth bearing in mind IMO. If you want to look at immediate form before hiring a coach, I'd just like to say that Malthouse had Pies purring in 2011 - 20W, 2L, 167.7%. Some were saying he was past it - how then do we judge Clarko ?
According to Champion Data Hawthorn are the form side of the comp based on the last 4 weeks.
According to Champion Data Hawthorn are the form side of the comp based on the last 4 weeks.
Yep, that's fair enough. But the season is 22 games, and whilst those wins have been gritty, and impressive in their own way, it's not exactly Malthouse 2011 - like I said, we can start talking about lists etc., but maybe this isn't the place. We may need to consider other things as well - player emotions for him leaving, this weekend's game was in Tassie, which is a bit of a fortress for them etc.
The Brisbane game a couple of weeks ago was also in Tassie.
Fair enough, I do hate the word messiah...
I can't hear that word without thinking of this
(and its very relevant in regards to Clarko)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZRe1kPWZw
A point worth noting is that it seems very hard for older coaches who have had a long tenure at their current club to move house and integrate quickly and well in a new environment… think Pagan, think Malthouse, think Sheedy, makes me extra wary of Clarkson (admittedly younger than the other three)
At their original long tenure club these guys are the centre of the universe and certainly the players either fall into line or don’t last and if everyone else is in line new players are more likely to also fall into line… it’s a natural cohesion.
Put that coach into a fresh environment and stuff can hit the fan quickly…
I’d have chosen Don Pyke to replace David Teague, however given availability of candidates, I think Ross Lyon would be a good fit.
A point worth noting is that it seems very hard for older coaches who have had a long tenure at their current club to move house and integrate quickly and well in a new environment… think Pagan, think Malthouse, think Sheedy, makes me extra wary of Clarkson (admittedly younger than the other three)
At their original long tenure club these guys are the centre of the universe and certainly the players either fall into line or don’t last and if everyone else is in line new players are more likely to also fall into line… it’s a natural cohesion.
Put that coach into a fresh environment and stuff can hit the fan quickly…
Not sure Malthouse should be on that list given he moved from WC to Coll at a similar age to what Clarkson is at now and then won a premiership.
For the record - I'm definitely in the keep Teague camp but with the Log departing early (he had until Feb to step down I think) it makes me think that Sayers wants to clearly own the process of canning / replacing Teague.
I may be jumping at shadows but my guess is that Teague's tenure will end Sunday whether Clarkson is interested or not.
Not sure Malthouse should be on that list given he moved from WC to Coll at a similar age to what Clarkson is at now and then won a premiership.
For the record - I'm definitely in the keep Teague camp but with the Log departing early (he had until Feb to step down I think) it makes me think that Sayers wants to clearly own the process of canning / replacing Teague.
I may be jumping at shadows but my guess is that Teague's tenure will end Sunday whether Clarkson is interested or not.
Thats fine, but had Collingwood been Carlton, we probably would have sacked him circa 2004, and then not won the flag in 2010.
He definately wouldnt have lasted 2005 on the back of 2004. THAT is the difference between us and Collingwood. We might have even sacked him after the second successive Grand Final loss to Brisbane.
We would have said after being in 3 grand finals, Mick isnt good enough to win won, and sacked him.
Thats fine, but had Collingwood been Carlton, we probably would have sacked him circa 2004, and then not won the flag in 2010.
He definately wouldnt have lasted 2005 on the back of 2004. THAT is the difference between us and Collingwood. We might have even sacked him after the second successive Grand Final loss to Brisbane.
We would have said after being in 3 grand finals, Mick isnt good enough to win won, and sacked him.
Yeah to be clear I'm definitely not disagreeing with you. Our club finds ways to shoot its own foot off. Just pointing out where Clarkson is at now is more akin to when MM joined Collingwood as opposed to when he joined us which - I agree - was when he was past it and also after a full year out.
Le roi est mort! Vive le Roi!
It was an ugly and disappointing way to go for a guy who had been a good servant and a popular man. But it has happened.
I wonder how long it takes to sack the next one?
There's no longer any need for a question mark in the thread title.