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Title: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: raven on August 13, 2021, 11:59:09 am
Can't see the AFL creating a 19th side (and bye complications), the AFL would need to go to 20 (with maybe NT the other team) if a Tassie Team is to get up. Which then dilutes the talent pool across the league too.

Or relocate/joint venture a Melb team further south...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/afl-carter-review-into-tasmanian-team/100371468

Is it something worth contemplating that the Blues might take up a handful of games in Tassie? I'd suspect not, no issues with us pulling a crowd, good membership already, etc.

Hawks and Norf better positioned in anycase?

Discuss  :D

(Searched and couldn't find a designated Tassie thread, hence this new one).
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 13, 2021, 12:05:54 pm
Be a firm No from me....dont want to be the AFL's lacky Tasmania team in the making and lose any identity.
We might be down but we are not out and any team volunteering to play games down there will on the shortlist to become part of the permanent landscape.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: Lods on August 13, 2021, 12:34:00 pm
You wouldn't want to be a club falling on  hard times at the moment or you'll end up with a Postcode in the 7000s
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: spf on August 13, 2021, 12:35:32 pm
I always thought the Saints were a logical alignment for Tassie.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2021, 01:37:04 pm
I always thought the Saints were a logical alignment for Tassie.
I've said the same in the past.

Southern Saints is what id go with. They can play half here and half there.

Since i first suggested that there had been vflw team use the same name.

If go a step further and do the same thing with gold coast and Darwin.... make them the Northern Suns.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: flyboy77 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:53 pm
Can't see the AFL creating a 19th side (and bye complications), the AFL would need to go to 20 (with maybe NT the other team) if a Tassie Team is to get up. Which then dilutes the talent pool across the league too.

Or relocate/joint venture a Melb team further south...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/afl-carter-review-into-tasmanian-team/100371468

Is it something worth contemplating that the Blues might take up a handful of games in Tassie? I'd suspect not, no issues with us pulling a crowd, good membership already, etc.

Hawks and Norf better positioned in anycase?

Discuss  :D

(Searched and couldn't find a designated Tassie thread, hence this new one).

Always thought 20 teams, two conferences....whether that's A and B or equalised not sure....

Everyone plays each other twice then finals.

Perhaps finals within each conference then take the best two from each conference - in a final four format.

Or just the winner from each conference?
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: LP on August 13, 2021, 02:00:21 pm
This is being setup for North to relocate, and kick the Dawks out of Tassie like the AFL always wanted, they already have a Tassie coach!

In any case, the Dawks will abandon Tassie as soon as the new training base is completed in Dingley.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: dodge on August 13, 2021, 02:39:15 pm
Kind of ironic - North Melbourne playing in Tassie and South Melbourne playing in Sydney
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2021, 07:19:53 pm
Always thought 20 teams, two conferences....whether that's A and B or equalised not sure....

Everyone plays each other twice then finals.

Perhaps finals within each conference then take the best two from each conference - in a final four format.

Or just the winner from each conference?

Can't use the 'c' word. People lose their $hit over it.

I first came up with that same idea 10 years ago (and a couple variations) and despite it making complete sense (like you realise) people refused to get behind simply because they don't the idea of splitting up the comp (or copying the yanks)

20 teams (10 in vic!) makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 13, 2021, 07:39:20 pm
Can't use the 'c' word. People lose their $hit over it.

I first came up with that same idea 10 years ago (and a couple variations) and despite it making complete sense (like you realise) people refused to get behind simply because they don't the idea of splitting up the comp (or copying the yanks)

20 teams (10 in vic!) makes perfect sense
US sporting terminology and concept, utter garbage AFIC.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2021, 07:51:01 pm
US sporting terminology and concept, utter garbage AFIC.
See what i mean @flyboy77

If i could show you similar from another country, would it make a difference?
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: Lods on August 13, 2021, 07:52:02 pm
I still don't understand how splitting it into conferences would work better than it does now.

(You can probably access a post where you've laid it out before Kruds. Maybe show us again.)


Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2021, 07:53:30 pm
I still don't understand how splitting it into conferences would work better than it does now.

We would have a draw, rather than a fixture.

It would be fairer and less tinkering from the AFL to pump up their favourite son at the time.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: capcom on August 13, 2021, 07:55:58 pm
US sporting terminology and concept, utter garbage AFIC.

Yep ... crape idea
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 13, 2021, 07:58:40 pm
See what i mean @flyboy77

If i could show you similar from another country, would it make a difference?
No, it just happens that the US come up with more stupid stuff than anyone else. For the record, I hate ALL US sports.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2021, 08:28:23 pm
No, it just happens that the US come up with more stupid stuff than anyone else. For the record, I hate ALL US sports.
I have a love/hate relationship with the US.

I hate the the way they view themselves and the rest of the world.
I love the way they are streets ahead in terms of sports and getting things working. Any problem we have in the AFL, the americans have had it, and sorted it....usually decades earlier.

Even if you don't like the sports, you have to realise there are some pretty smart blokes behind it....a lot smarter than we have got going on here.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: Thryleon on August 13, 2021, 09:09:45 pm
Im neither here nor there on conferences.

Ultimately the afl won't want it after working hard to grow the game across the nation.  We'd essentially revert to the vfl vs the others.

The danger there becomes player movement.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: flyboy77 on August 14, 2021, 09:39:56 am
See what i mean @flyboy77

If i could show you similar from another country, would it make a difference?

Wow, that's funny (the responses_).

Kind of like what I get when I suggest CV19 is over hyped....

Feel free - what works in other countries. The US is only 1 country folks!
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: dodge on August 14, 2021, 10:18:19 am
Because the fixture isn't even,  conferences can be hidden within it.   Eg every team once and then divide last years ladder into three and each group of six play each other twice.

I can't imagine conferences given a run.  Clubs already have a lot of influence in the fixture, and it seems to be written to maximise $$, not fairness.

There would be a huge bun fight for lower attendance clubs to have the bigger ones in their division.
Title: Re: Tasmania - League expansion or relocate/JV for a club
Post by: Professer E on August 14, 2021, 10:51:20 am
Typically gutless from the AFL...  Yet another review but no decision.  "Kicked the can down the road" - the most apt description. 

Followed by the "some club should relocate, as long as its not mine".  Two prime contenders (both wear vertical stripes), but some other club will be bludgeoned into it.   We need to be careful.