I hope we can pull one more good game out for Eddie and Levi, but I'm not holding my breath. Not after last week.
Magnificent gesture from GWS wearing their indigenous rig for Edwardo. Speechless.
Teared up watching Ed being interviewed after the game. Good interview, Sarah.
Loved the message from Edwardo's young fella which Sarah relayed... 'your pressure acts were down, dad...' :))
Again, allowing a run of goals cost us the game. 5 unanswered goals did us in... aside from that period, bloody good, competitive effort.
So near, and yet so far. That is us in a nutshell.
Again, allowing a run of goals cost us the game. 5 unanswered goals did us in... aside from that period, bloody good, competitive effort.
It was more the fact we couldn't score. they weren't scoring freely just that we struggled to do anything beyond the centre last 2 1/2 qtrs. We had just one F50 tackle compared to their's 19.
De Koning held that ball until his head hit the ground. Might have got mark of the year if it wasn't for the head collision with the ground. Ablett got mark of the year for similar in the 90s, expected he didn't knock himself out.
Again, allowing a run of goals cost us the game. 5 unanswered goals did us in... aside from that period, bloody good, competitive effort.
That is fitness. Sadly we seem to be lacking in it even though apparently we have the best. Something NQR there
Lost a bit of interest in this game...all this Teague business is depressing and with nothing riding on the game apart from saluting Eddie and Levi it went to script. Ed Curnow played a very nice game and I liked Stocker and Kemps work as well. LOB hit some nice passes early and TDK did well vs the new Mummy in Briggs,but again we dont get enough return for our efforts and having them level at half time meant they would get momentum at some stage which they did and the result was a forgone conclusion.
It was more the fact we couldn't score. they weren't scoring freely just that we struggled to do anything beyond the centre last 2 1/2 qtrs. We had just one F50 tackle compared to their's 19.
Tend to agree. We fluffed some early chances and missed the opportunity to create a scoreboard buffer. As a result, when they inevitably came back we were vulnerable.
Lost a bit of interest in this game...all this Teague business is depressing and with nothing riding on the game apart from saluting Eddie and Levi it went to script. Ed Curnow played a very nice game and I liked Stocker and Kemps work as well. LOB hit some nice passes early and TDK did well vs the new Mummy in Briggs,but again we dont get enough return for our efforts and having them level at half time meant they would get momentum at some stage which they did and the result was a forgone conclusion.
Sad but true... same old, same old.
De Koning held that ball until his head hit the ground. Might have got mark of the year if it wasn't for the head collision with the ground. Ablett got mark of the year for similar in the 90s, expected he didn't knock himself out.
The mark was paid... could get mark of the round, and deservedly so.
Only able to listen on the radio unfortunately.
Thank goodness really. Cant stomach some of the tv wannabes.
Sounded like we had the usual patchy performance. Came out strong then dropped off. What sounded very heartening was the lift late in the game, and solid pressure on the whole. I thought we'd lose by 10 goals after watching their clinical performance last week, and knowing Green would come back.
I still think we have a good list and TT should see out his contract with support in the right areas. I'll opt out of my long held membership if Toss Lyon takes over.
De Koning held that ball until his head hit the ground. Might have got mark of the year if it wasn't for the head collision with the ground. Ablett got mark of the year for similar in the 90s, expected he didn't knock himself out.
Always fear for TDK, very brave for a slender lad and I hope he is ok and it isnt some bad concussion. We can never take a trick and its always our key players who get injured.
Tbh I enjoyed most of watching that game / even their run on wasn’t as overt as last week and didn’t break me like last week.
Eddies end of game interview was really sad, he does
Not want to retire :(. I was a bit disappointed They did nothing for Levi.
Agree with other sentiments re the class of GWS players even tho as a whole I hate them, they need some haircuts stat!
TDKs attempt to run off was a lowlight, take a side of him trainers
Lost a bit of interest in this game...all this Teague business is depressing and with nothing riding on the game apart from saluting Eddie and Levi it went to script. Ed Curnow played a very nice game and I liked Stocker and Kemps work as well. LOB hit some nice passes early and TDK did well vs the new Mummy in Briggs,but again we dont get enough return for our efforts and having them level at half time meant they would get momentum at some stage which they did and the result was a forgone conclusion.
Yep. Looking at the game tonight meant little. Plenty of decisions have already been made and that match basically had zero bearing on anything. R1 next year will probably look very different for a variety of reasons. Coach, retired players, traded players and sacked players.....and hopefully some formerly injured players back!
The mark was paid... could get mark of the round, and deservedly so.
It was some mark then. Pity he'll never remember it.
My eyes went from Kayo to the TV as Maxy was kicking for goal after the siren. Hence I missed it live.
It was some mark then. Pity he'll never remember it.
My eyes went from Kayo to the TV as Maxy was kicking for goal after the siren. Hence I missed it live.
Yep, he held it all the way down. It only popped out of his hands when his bonce hit the turf and he kneed himself in the head!
We won something with Harry getting the Coleman. Only needed 18 games too. He missed 3 and one he was off with concussion very early. 70 goal years if it was 22 games, which would have been a very easy win.
Congratulations to big H. Well deserved Coleman Medallist despite injuries.
Thankyou Levi for giving your everything. Nice couple of goals and goal assists tonight.
Eddie Betts (and fam). What to say?
Thankyou for lighting up the field and putting smiles on faces for a generation.
Thankyou for your tireless (painful) efforts to stamp out racism. You've been the ultimate small forward and indigenous role model. An inspirational human being. I hope you find your place to feel safe, heal, and continue being awesome. If that happens to include a role at CFC, we'll be the most fortunate club in the league. I'll be watch your next venture with great interest.
I still think we have a good list and TT should see out his contract with support in the right areas.
I agree - he has had to deal with two Covid seasons, too many injuries and a shallow list that has had limited development due to the debilitation of the feeder competition.
I reckon it would be a sign of questionable integrity to replace him with Lyon, who has shown no loyalty to anyone (but himself and some selected players) before abandoning the Saints and the Dockers without so much as a backwards glance. If the TT is to be derailed, I would only consider Clarkson as an acceptable option.
I agree - he has had to deal with two Covid seasons, too many injuries and a shallow list that has had limited development due to the debilitation of the feeder competition.
I reckon it would be a sign of questionable integrity to replace him with Lyon, who has shown no loyalty to anyone (but himself and some selected players) before abandoning the Saints and the Dockers without so much as a backwards glance. If the TT is to be derailed, I would only consider Clarkson as an acceptable option.
If Teague is sacked, I'd say Clarkson, then Buckley. I was 50/50 on Lyon a few weeks back, but recently have gone right off him.
Just listened to Teague's post match presser. Quite honest. I thought he spoke well, but he certainly has an air of resignation, like a Nick Cave lyric - "my death, it almost bored me, so often was it told."
Lost a bit of interest in this game...all this Teague business is depressing and with nothing riding on the game apart from saluting Eddie and Levi it went to script. Ed Curnow played a very nice game and I liked Stocker and Kemps work as well. LOB hit some nice passes early and TDK did well vs the new Mummy in Briggs,but again we dont get enough return for our efforts and having them level at half time meant they would get momentum at some stage which they did and the result was a forgone conclusion.
Another what could have been - missed a series of very easy shots in the first half. LOB, Brackets are two that come to mind.
Charlie could have done a lot better on two occasions but rushed his play and resulted in a turnover. Just needed some composure - at least he's finding the pill - and getting through games.
All that said, we weren't that far off them.
Glad some of the kids got a run.
Losing faith in Newnes. Appears to have acquired the Carlton malaise....
Just listened to Teague's post match presser. Quite honest. I thought he spoke well, but he certainly has an air of resignation, like a Nick Cave lyric - "my death, it almost bored me, so often was it told."
Totally agree, Pauly. I also thought he spoke well, honestly, without 'blame' or excuse. There was resignation. Also a sincerity. I hope, if The TT is to depart, that Dimma snaps him up... puts actions where his mouth is.
Ps Great lyric quote from Nick Cave. Shot through me like a full metal jacket, only made of ice. Boy do I know that feeling. Paradoxical thing is, once your own mortality is 100% real, you kinda cease to fear death. And you begin to really live. I often wonder how many folks are so afraid of dying, that they end up with an unconscious anxiety about it... and cease to really live.
Always fear for TDK, very brave for a slender lad and I hope he is ok and it isnt some bad concussion. We can never take a trick and its always our key players who get injured.
Always horrible to see those incidents. But what horrified me more is that our medical staff allowed him to rise to his feet - even helped him! WTF?!?
Is there no department of our club which is not totally inept? I can’t bring myself to watch it again but, from memory, one of the staff was clearly signalling for a stretcher and I think the doctor didn’t arrive until AFTER he tried to jog off and collapsed again. Surely basic training tells you to immobilize the head and neck in order to mitigate the potential of further damage and wait until the doctor arrives?
If I were his parent I’d be absolutely livid.
Eddies end of game interview was really sad, he does
Not want to retire :(.
I dare say that is true, but I think it is the correct decision. Cheer him off a as champion not a has been, hiding behind a ‘managed’ tag week after week. 350 genuine games were achieved with Eddie having a significant influence in the very high percentage of them, right to the finish line. Job done.
In the post match presser, Teague chided one of the reporters called Tom (Browne or Morris ?) for suggesting that he had lost support of the senior players. Teague said that simply isn't true, and it cut him a little deeply.
In the post match presser, Teague chided one of the reporters called Tom (Browne or Morris ?) for suggesting that he had lost support of the senior players. Teague said that simply isn't true, and it cut him a little deeply.
Our board is as culpable as the media for letting this narrative flourish.
I agree - he has had to deal with two Covid seasons, too many injuries and a shallow list that has had limited development due to the debilitation of the feeder competition.
I reckon it would be a sign of questionable integrity to replace him with Lyon, who has shown no loyalty to anyone (but himself and some selected players) before abandoning the Saints and the Dockers without so much as a backwards glance. If the TT is to be derailed, I would only consider Clarkson as an acceptable option.
Just on Lyon...
Nick Riewoldt spoke earlier in the week and said the players were quite shocked (he literally woke up from Surgery with Lyon at the foot of his bed to tell him first hand) but he said they understand. Without saying it, he pointed the finger squarely at the powers that be above Lyon. They either pushed him, or made it untenable for him.
I can't speak on Freo, but Riewoldt suggested there would be very much the same kind of love from the players that he gets from the Saints boys. Perhaps similar occurred there.
TBH, i think i'm warming to the idea of Ross Lyon.
He's already been at the club and knows how it works.
He is media savvy and knows how to handle questions, and can give a slap if required.
He has plenty of friends in the media which should help keep the wolves at bay and ease the pressure usually turned up on the Carlton coach.
He's had (almost) success at 2 clubs, both clubs have been basket cases otherwise.
Is there anyone more qualified to take over the role, specifically at our club.
Lyon is a massive step up on Teague.
DT has shown himself, on multiple occasions, to be pretty much clueless come match day.
And very weak defensively.
Is that on him or his assistants?
Both.
I've seen nothing - zero, nada - to suggest DT can get us to finals, let alone a flag.
Some of the losses to lower teams were inexcusable.
Some of the match committee decisions during the year were simply inexcusable.
Lyon got both the Saints and Freo to GFs with lesser lists than we have presently.
We can attack as well as any - and have the fire power to capitalise....
We just lack defensive structures/systems. Lyon's specialty seemingly.
In the post match presser, Teague chided one of the reporters called Tom (Browne or Morris ?) for suggesting that he had lost support of the senior players. Teague said that simply isn't true, and it cut him a little deeply.
He gave Browne his just deserts and rightly so.
Lyon is a massive step up on Teague.
DT has shown himself, on multiple occasions, to be pretty much clueless come match day.
And very weak defensively.
Is that on him or his assistants?
Both.
I've seen nothing - zero, nada - to suggest DT can get us to finals, let alone a flag.
Some of the losses to lower teams were inexcusable.
Some of the match committee decisions during the year were simply inexcusable.
Lyon got both the Saints and Freo to GFs with lesser lists than we have presently.
We can attack as well as any - and have the fire power to capitalise....
We just lack defensive structures/systems. Lyon's specialty seemingly.
You can only make a rash assessment of a coach after 50 games in 2 interrupted seasons. Neither Clarkson nor Hardwick etc. looked like flag coaches after 50 games. I disagree that the Saints and Freo lists were lesser than ours. And Harry McKay will probably start looking for a new home.
We can all see how many flags, GF's, coaches have in their past, but that's irrelevant to us. We need to know how many flags they have in their future. We've been seduced by coaches with previous success before, and got burnt, twice. The model that gives the best chance for success is right before our eyes - stability, unity and build from within, but for whatever reason, we can't see it, or refuse to embrace it.
Just on Lyon...
Nick Riewoldt spoke earlier in the week and said the players were quite shocked (he literally woke up from Surgery with Lyon at the foot of his bed to tell him first hand) but he said they understand. Without saying it, he pointed the finger squarely at the powers that be above Lyon. They either pushed him, or made it untenable for him.
I can't speak on Freo, but Riewoldt suggested there would be very much the same kind of love from the players that he gets from the Saints boys. Perhaps similar occurred there.
TBH, i think i'm warming to the idea of Ross Lyon.
He's already been at the club and knows how it works.
He is media savvy and knows how to handle questions, and can give a slap if required.
He has plenty of friends in the media which should help keep the wolves at bay and ease the pressure usually turned up on the Carlton coach.
He's had (almost) success at 2 clubs, both clubs have been basket cases otherwise.
Is there anyone more qualified to take over the role, specifically at our club.
I'm leaning the other way now on Lyon and not neccessarily because of coaching ability I might add. He should have STFU Wed night on FC IMO.
To answer your last question, yes Clarkson but I think he is going to take a year off by the sound of it. So Teague either survives for another year or if change is deemed necessary now it's probably Lyon. Another question is will Lyon pass the character test in the interview with our female board members Pratt and Kinnersly.
The 2013 GF teams.
Note Neale was Freo's sub and this was before Fyfe became a real force.....
Saints in 2010....
There's plenty of quality on the Saints list, you could argue the toss of the coin on the Freo list.
You can only make a rash assessment of a coach after 50 games in 2 interrupted seasons. Neither Clarkson nor Hardwick etc. looked like flag coaches after 50 games. I disagree that the Saints and Freo lists were lesser than ours. And Harry McKay will probably start looking for a new home.
We can all see how many flags, GF's, coaches have in their past, but that's irrelevant to us. We need to know how many flags they have in their future. We've been seduced by coaches with previous success before, and got burnt, twice. The model that gives the best chance for success is right before our eyes - stability, unity and build from within, but for whatever reason, we can't see it, or refuse to embrace it.
Rash?
Hardly? Will Teague improve? Maybe, maybe not. No certainty at all.
Should he be given the largesse Hardwick was afforded? Maybe, maybe not.
Comparing his track record with other coaches is fraught with danger.....
I've put up the teams in those GFs by the way.
Have a crack!
With a starting spine of Jones Weitering Cripps/Walsh Chuck McKay, with handy players like Saad, Newman and Williams, plus kids like TDK, Stocker, Walsh, Kemp. Owies and Honey, whomever is coach in 22 has a fair bit to work with. No more excuses.
With a starting spine of Jones Weitering Cripps/Walsh Chuck McKay, with handy players like Saad, Newman and Williams, plus kids like TDK, Stocker, Walsh, Kemp. Owies and Honey, whomever is coach in 22 has a fair bit to work with. No more excuses.
Provided of course that the required reforms within the club are properly addressed.
Lyon is a massive step up on Teague.
DT has shown himself, on multiple occasions, to be pretty much clueless come match day.
And very weak defensively.
Is that on him or his assistants?
Both.
I've seen nothing - zero, nada - to suggest DT can get us to finals, let alone a flag.
Some of the losses to lower teams were inexcusable.
Some of the match committee decisions during the year were simply inexcusable.
Lyon got both the Saints and Freo to GFs with lesser lists than we have presently.
We can attack as well as any - and have the fire power to capitalise....
We just lack defensive structures/systems. Lyon's specialty seemingly.
Not fully convinced on Lyon. Not sure his style suits our list. We've always done best with coaches that attack more. Defence orientated coaches have gone by the wayside. Just need a proper balance.
Saints GF's were the decade before last. Last 3 years of his coaching he was an upgrade in that he beat Teague's 19 successive goals with 23 in 2018 and 12 of his 17 10 goal defeats were in his last 3 years. Looking at that he has Carlton written all over him....lol! Did he have lesser lists? Doubt it.
I was more impressed by Clarko's hunger to learn yesterday. I would prefer to let Teague coach out his contract and if he struggles then chase Clarko hard. Teague, with proper support and help, could sort out the defensive aspects and improve on his 2nd best record at this club in the last 20 years. Not to mention alot more scoreboard competitiveness. Wouldn't be the first in recent times to come good after a review put things in place for him.
To answer your last question, yes Clarkson but I think he is going to take a year off by the sound of it. S
More qualified? Yes.
More qualified to coach us? I disagree.
Ross knows more about our club. Ross knows more about other clubs in general. Clarko has been in the same job for how many years know? I see him, and i think Pagan. Good coach with some of the best players going around.....no good anywhere else.
The prospect of Teague coaching the final year of his contract next makes me feel ill.
If he is retained beyond Monday he must get a contract extension !!!
Can you imagine the past 4 weeks running all through the preseason and then the home and away ??
Can you imagine the past 4 weeks running all through the preseason and then the home and away ??
It's been running since about Rnd 2 this year, when we'd lost the first games.
Well, that was a lot closer than I thought it would be. You have to give Teague credit for getting the boys up and about and staying in the game after last week's demoralising effort.
Realistically, without Jones and McKay, we are never going to trouble teams with their full quota of KPPs. Weitering is forced to focus on defending dourly and his intercept marking and creative use of the ball is sacrificed/missed. That said, keeping GWS to 12 goals was a decent effort and a credit to Plowman, Newman, Williamson, Kemp, Stocker and Saad who all found themselves competing against bigger, stronger opponents. I think Kemp is going to be a ripper.
At the other end of the ground, we had three underdone tall forwards, an ageing maestro, and a couple of kids. Scoring 11 goals was admirable, even if 4 of them came from the indefatigable Ed Curnow.
Yes, we conceded a run of goals again, but we fought back and, with an ounce of luck and sighted umpires, we could have snatched the win.
It was nice to see Eddie add to his goal tally but I think that his time has come. Levi was good, and if his knee holds up, I reckon we'll see him running around again next season.
Was that enough for Teague to keep his job? I'd like to think so.
The prospect of Teague coaching the final year of his contract next makes me feel ill.
If he is retained beyond Monday he must get a contract extension !!!
Can you imagine the past 4 weeks running all through the preseason and then the home and away ??
Spot on....with only 12 months it will be the Clarko shadow over DT's head all season and he will be on notice every week.
If we start off with our usual loss to Richmond , he will be behind the 8 ball all season with rumors and innuendo about Clarko.
Extend by 2 more years to make it three is the only way he has a fighting chance....if not then just give Lyon the job now and let DT get on with his life and he might get to keep his hair and stop it going grey like it is now..
Spot on....with only 12 months it will be the Clarko shadow over DT's head all season and he will be on notice every week.
If we start off with our usual loss to Richmond , he will be behind the 8 ball all season with rumors and innuendo about Clarko.
Extend by 2 more years to make it three is the only way he has a fighting chance....if not then just give Lyon the job now and let DT get on with his life and he might get to keep his hair and stop it going grey like it is now..
I'll be gobsmacked if we extend Teague, it is not the sort of brave decision our club makes, and even if we did could Teague expect us to honour it?
How can anyone trust our club, the only way we are going to attract people is now paying overs more than ever before, with big termination guarantees.
In my experience people you have to buy to front up are never reliable associates, they give in and surrender in a game of chicken when confronted with a true fanatic. The dollar people always want to live to earn another dollar another day!
In retrospect, I think Teague long term looks to be an even better coaching option than Ratten, which means if he wants to stick with AFL coaching he'll have serious options available to him by the time our replacement in Lyon or Clarkson are looking for their big super payout!
Teague will be sacked tomorrow, he's a nice guy but this a brutal business and this year was a complete fail.
Can someone remind me when the LOB bullet inside 50 was?
Teague will be sacked tomorrow, he's a nice guy but this a brutal business and this year was a complete fail.
Can you explain why you have this perception, relative to what your expectations were?
Teague will be sacked tomorrow, he's a nice guy but this a brutal business and this year was a complete fail.
We've sacked nice guys and we've sacked mean, hard bastards. It makes no difference at Carlton.
Can someone remind me when the LOB bullet inside 50 was?
Left of screen but can't recall which quarter.
We've sacked nice guys and we've sacked mean, hard bastards. It makes no difference at Carlton.
Yep. Says more about us than it does about the sackees.
Left of screen but can't recall which quarter.
I think there was one in 4Q.
Can you explain why you have this perception, relative to what your expectations were?
My expectations were development. Are we better than this time last year? No.
We gave Eddie a nice farewell story and carried Murphy to 300 who seemed less than impressed with how it went down. Did it help Carlton? No.
SPS, Dow and O'Brien are supposed to be the future and we just completely wasted a year of development.
I think there was one in 4Q.
The kid should have played all year. We drafted him and he deserved a season to prove his worth. Especially as we were never really in contention.
We've sacked nice guys and we've sacked mean, hard bastards. It makes no difference at Carlton.
We should have let Malthouse clean up the club.
We should have let Malthouse clean up the club.
We should have done a lot of things, but I no longer believe in the idea that a coach can be a change agent, either as a leader of change, or on their own. You plug a good coach into a good culture, and they contribute and improve that culture, which constitutes a type of change, but the sort of change people seem to expect from a coach is a saviour, rescuing a club, and turning bad culture to good. I simply no longer believe that is possible, and certainly not at Carlton. You just can't turn the tide when you have a hopeless Board and their associated hangers-on against you.
Every coach from Brittain to Teague has been treated badly. They can't rescue a club, despite what some supporters will believe.
My expectations were development. Are we better than this time last year? No.
We gave Eddie a nice farewell story and carried Murphy to 300 who seemed less than impressed with how it went down. Did it help Carlton? No.
SPS, Dow and O'Brien are supposed to be the future and we just completely wasted a year of development.
I understand that, but who or what gave you that expectation, you can't have just got it from thin air?
Certainly not form the club, Liddle publicly stated the exact opposite, didn't he say the time for development was over?
On the player names you mention, what about BigH, De Koning, Stocker, Owies, Fogarty, Honey and even Walsh has further progressed, do they not count?
Listing Dow is an interesting case, most in the media think he's made progress, not sure about fans or if fan opinions matter.
Is it all forward or nothing?
It reads like you are only looking at one side of the ledger.
Personally, I think a number of players have moved forward just in the last month or so, players we have not seen progress from for several years, why?
Clarkson would have gone exactly the same as all the others. He chose well.
Every coach from Brittain to Teague has been treated badly. They can't rescue a club, despite what some supporters will believe.
I think it goes back a bit further than Brittain. Paul
Perc was sacked with a 70% winning record.
(Turned out that was probably the right decision)
I think it goes back a bit further than Brittain. Paul
Perc was sacked with a 70% winning record.
(Turned out that was probably the right decision)
Yes, that's true. The 20 years / Wayne Brittain has become a bit of a lazy starting point.
Can someone remind me when the LOB bullet inside 50 was?
Not sure which one you are referring too, but he picked one up on half back and put the burners on. That was on the far wing going right of screen.
Not sure which one you are referring too, but he picked one up on half back and put the burners on. That was on the far wing going right of screen.
Yep, he did it a few times. One landed on Edwardo's chest. The only time his left foot let him down was shots on goal.
Can someone remind me when the LOB bullet inside 50 was?
I'm pretty sure it was in the 4th (at least the one I remember) - he hit Sam Walsh lace out, as he was running towards the boundary (away from the TV screen). It was around the 50M arc from memory.
Dermott Brereton made a point of discussing that kick and LoB's kicking in general.
I'm pretty sure it was in the 4th (at least the one I remember) - he hit Sam Walsh lace out, as he was running towards the boundary (away from the TV screen). It was around the 50M arc from memory.
That's the one. Cheers
That's the one. Cheers
My pleasure matey.