All ready for the outpouring of emotion.
What a disaster.
Weak as piss.
Seems we replicated the pathetic performance of our 2's again.
Thumped by a bottom side.
Embarrassing, doesn't go close!
We had a pressure rating of 191.
Adelaide - 190.
Looking through the stats, we had more turnovers. They had more loose ball gets. Other than that, it appeared to be very even.
Simply, they shut down our important players and arguably our most important player - Saad.
Time to trade in the Vosswagen
Cant say Im surprised, I thought these two road trips (Ade and Bris) would be almost impossible to win.
Embarrassing when youre expected to be in the finals, play 15th 4 weeks out and dish up that crap.
Dreadful >:(
Dont drink your own bathwater.
Dreadful >:(
Dont drink your own bathwater.
Yep, I think tonight showed where we are really at.
As much as it pains me to say it. The Crows came to rain on our parade. We did nothing to stop them. In fact we lost it mentally. That's a real flaw despite progress in many areas.
Cant say Im surprised, I thought these two road trips (Ade and Bris) would be almost impossible to win.
Embarrassing when youre expected to be in the finals, play 15th 4 weeks out and dish up that crap.
You and me both. Just when I was getting used to a serving of humble pie too.
"Blues get caught napping. Again and again and again....."
Turned it over all night.
Our ball use was deplorable all evening.
Lost another couple to injury.
Stunk it up.
Never in it. Just trash. Were playing cute and relaxed and Adelaide gained confidence.
Why can we not stick tackles except for Cripps cerra and Kennedy? If I watch one more opposition player dance thru 3 tacklers I’ll scream!
Putrid.
Poor Cripps tried to put them all on his back again to no avail.
And selection committee, why would you drop your hardest working player?
I expect a few changes this week.
OUT: Kennedy (concussion) Durdin (shoulder) Newman (knee) TDK Setterfield Plowman (sub)
IN: Hewitt (i hope), Martin, Marchbank, Dow, Stocker Silvagni (in the 22)
Dreadful >:(
Dont drink your own bathwater.
Yep. When you think you are too good to have Jack Silvagni in your team you are getting ahead of yourselves.
It didn't affect the result...but I reckon Cripps hurt his back early on in the game.
It didn't affect the result...but I reckon Cripps hurt his back early on in the game.
I don't know about back, but i called ribs at some stage.
Harry copped a hit in the ribs.
Cerra copped a hit in the ribs as well.
The injury toll will be interesting.
Not a lot from the VFL game to step up either.
I expect a few changes this week.
OUT: Kennedy (concussion) Durdin (shoulder) Newman (knee) TDK Setterfield Plowman (sub)
IN: Hewitt (i hope), Martin, Marchbank, Dow, Stocker Silvagni (in the 22)
Did Stocker come off under the concussion rules in the 2s??
Brisbane, Melbourne and then Collingwood next to finish the home and away games. What a hard way to finish a season if you are still a chance for finals, and with so many injuries. A possibility of 4 straight losses (plus finals losses if we still make it) won’t do the squad any favours in terms of belief and confidence. What a sour end to 2022 we are looking at. Bloody footy gods.
Kemp -> Newman
Marchbank -> Plowman
Martin -> Durdin
Fisher -> Owies
Dow -> Fisher
Kemp -> Newman
Marchbank -> Plowman
Martin -> Durdin
Fisher -> Owies
Dow -> Fisher
Might want to rethink those last couple??
Did Stocker come off under the concussion rules in the 2s??
News to me if he did. :o
Might want to rethink those last couple??
Might be right actually. But I think small forward line needs a shake up if not an overhaul.
I wonder if Cripps or Walsh will get any votes in the Brownlow in this game. Huge stats, but how effective will the umpires see their game. Influence etc. One of them might get one vote at best.
Might be right actually. But I think small forward line needs a shake up if not an overhaul.
You've got Fisher IN and OUT.
I wonder if that'll take our injury list back to 11?
+ loss of Jones & Williamson
Incoming are perennially injured players in Martin & (maybe) Williams.
Travel again to Brisbane, then play the 2 top in form teams of the competition.
I'm feeling quite uninspiring at the thought of playing finals. If there's a way to miss them, I suspect we'll find it.
That said. We've had much progress despite a ridiculous number of injuries. Injuries is something that needs addressing IMO
You've got Fisher IN and OUT.
No I had Fisher replacing Owies in the side in forward line and Dow to come in to replace Fishers role in the middle.
Ben Keays.....probably be on 250k a year only and he stitches up Saad which destroys our run and carry, who would have figured that move given Keays couldn't run out of sight on a dark night.
Weitering stitched up by his bogeyman Tex, and losing the midfield battle to the biggest bunch of no names in the comp.
Pathetic tackling, the goal Fogarty kicked late was bruise free footy, ok he is a big strong kid but we just let him roll through with wimpy tackling attempts.
Had that many passengers we can only improve vs Brisbane.
The Crows are rubbish but it proves we are vulnerable to teams who go hard at us regardless of their lower overall skill level.
Voss was out coached and hopefully knows now to expect Saad to be tagged heavily from now on and he can formulate some counter measures.
Reckon Robbo will be playing next week and it won't be hard to work out why....
George Hewett is a must for us to win and his loss has really hurt us...let's hope he is back next week.
Welcome to carlton Vossy.
This is how we role mate. Can appear to be world beaters but when it matters can and do collapse against any opposition. Get used to it.
Still way too many passengers. Our last 6 picked each weeks and still bottom tier standard.
This game proves how much the game is played above the shoulders. Had one of strongest teams on paper and imo never looked likely from the second quarter against a bottom 4 team and we are playing for a finals spot. Go figure.
Harry needs to fix his technique when kicking for goal in positions where a snap kick is not the norm and needs to go back to working hard up the field and get on his bike on hard leads and stop wanting to wrestle and initiate contact and then flops playing for frees.
And Charlie seems to have his eye on the Coleman over the team imo. Is more interested in playing for joe the goose goals then using his fitness to burn weaker opponents around up the field and getting them the other way which opens up countless forward opportunities for us. Wants to play deeper and keep his tally kicking over imo.
Rucks were awful as well against D grade opposition.
I said after the Richmond game, we can not handle that close in pressure.
Did we even mark one contested ball? Time and again nowhere near it.
Not good enough yet, season gave us more than we had expected at the beginning but we still have players thst do not impact Games time and again.
Really missing Hewett. :(
Stats tell a tale: 2 super efforts and not a lot from the rest.
41 possessions from Cripps. 6 tackles and 13 clearances.
40 possessions from Walsh; 3 tackles and 6 clearances.
32 to Doc.
Pitto and TdK probably did enough, but we should have done better.
Believing our own press? Possibly. But life is a lot more difficult now.
Really missing Hewett. :(
Next week we might be without him and MK (concussion) 😳
Time to trade in the Vosswagen
I drive a Kombi and have come home on a tow truck a few times!
We are ahead of where I thought we’d be under Voss and we are still ironing out the bugs I remember crows crapping on us at the end of a long year not so long ago.
We will get there, not this year and not with all the passengers we had tonight but we will get there
Putrid effort. Carlton of old rears it's ugly head. No intensity. Horrible skills. Dumb decion making. Awful, awful workrate. Thought these types of displays were well behind us. Maybe we're in for a sinister new kind of torture?
Welcome to carlton Vossy.
This is how we role mate. Can appear to be world beaters but when it matters can and do collapse against any opposition. Get used to it.
Still way too many passengers. Our last 6 picked each weeks and still bottom tier standard.
This game proves how much the game is played above the shoulders. Had one of strongest teams on paper and imo never looked likely from the second quarter against a bottom 4 team and we are playing for a finals spot. Go figure.
Harry needs to fix his technique when kicking for goal in positions where a snap kick is not the norm and needs to go back to working hard up the field and get on his bike on hard leads and stop wanting to wrestle and initiate contact and then flops playing for frees.
And Charlie seems to have his eye on the Coleman over the team imo. Is more interested in playing for joe the goose goals then using his fitness to burn weaker opponents around up the field and getting them the other way which opens up countless forward opportunities for us. Wants to play deeper and keep his tally kicking over imo.
Rucks were awful as well against D grade opposition.
Well put. This week, just like last week, when our mids are being held our small forwards disappear. Last week and for the short time he was on the field this game, Durdin looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Fisher did his usual disappearing act and Owies showed how average his kicking is.
Harry has had years to improve his kicking style but his attempted banana kick for goal has me questioning whether he should be kept at full forward. If today's forward line is the best we can put on the field from our list then he is going to have very limited opportunities in the next few games to find new ways in how not to kick goals. If the ball is not reaching him then he is wasted at full forward.
Would it be feasible to put him at CHB to take pressure off the defence and move JSOS to full forward?
This match was also a reality check with Pittonet. He is a solid average ruckman who on his best days will break even with the opposition rucks
As LN said, lost it mentally so now further doubt will creep into their minds. Absolutely the worst possible outcome at this time of the year given where we are at. Outworked, out played all night by 15th on the ladder FFS.
On a side note, how many farken OOTFs by our blokes?
Brisbane, Melbourne and then Collingwood next to finish the home and away games. What a hard way to finish a season if you are still a chance for finals, and with so many injuries. A possibility of 4 straight losses (plus finals losses if we still make it) won’t do the squad any favours in terms of belief and confidence. What a sour end to 2022 we are looking at. Bloody footy gods.
Brisbane, Melbourne and then Collingwood next to finish the home and away games = LLL
Brisbane, Melbourne and then Collingwood next to finish the home and away games = LLL
Last 10:
WLWLWLWLWL
So we’re a lock to beat Brisbane and Collingwood.
Stats tell a tale: 2 super efforts and not a lot from the rest.
41 possessions from Cripps. 6 tackles and 13 clearances.
40 possessions from Walsh; 3 tackles and 6 clearances.
32 to Doc.
Pitto and TdK probably did enough, but we should have done better.
Believing our own press? Possibly. But life is a lot more difficult now.
The stats don't look that bad for us in this game. The difference was the Crows were cleaner under pressure.
The Crows neutralized much of the drive we get from Saad and Doc and beat us at stoppages, really missed Hewett, and contested ball. That's how it looked to me but I haven't studied the stats. Also, we made too many errors and gave away too many turnovers. Crow pressure was fierce.
The Carlton Football Club needs to write an official apology to the South Australian members and supporters.
For many years now on the rare occasion we play in Adelaide the team NEVER comes to play putting in putrid efforts.
The SA supporters have endured soooo many years of being smashed in Adelaide.
Whether it's the traveling bit or the dislike of the oval or scared of the oppo supporters the team does not play well in Adelaide.
Harry McKay! Your job is to kick goals, please learn how to do that, oh and when going for a mark stop playing for the free kick and use your body to out muscle the oppo and actually jump at the footy. Just putting your hands up acting like you are marking is wearing thin.
As a team, get back to doing the TEAM things, the 1%ers.
People bag Honey, but if you watch his game he does alot of little things that help but gets no reward.
Jack Silvagni is always picked first from now on. >:D
Losing is part of sport, and I can handle that (just). But that was a dishonest performance and undid a lot of hard work. This side still lacks any kind of mature, professional mindset, symptomatic of Carlton for the last 20 years
What I didn't like was how we were outmuscled and intimidated by blokes like Walker, Fogarty and had that little smartarse Schoenberg trying to push our blokes around. Our tackling was timid and lacked any authority, Voss would have been appalled, I'd be getting Stocker back in that team to help Saad as well, he would have been ideal for Keays and I can't believe Voss let that loose matchup continue through the game.
Don't be fooled by Cripps,Walsh high possession tally's either, how many of those were effective or part of any real systematic play?
A very insipid effort and I hope Voss won't tolerate that soft bruise free rubbish we served up, the Crows are rubbish and being bullied by them is disgraceful.
We've got too many conditional inconsistent players in starting 22
Losing is part of sport, and I can handle that (just). But that was a dishonest performance and undid a lot of hard work. This side still lacks any kind of mature, professional mindset, symptomatic of Carlton for the last 20 years
I like the word 'dishonest'.
It wasn't 'true' to the way we played earlier in the year...and the pronouncements by Voss of how we want to play and be percieved.
We were never as hard or committed as they were and they broke tackles easily.
In short, we didn't turn up to play and they set themselves.
Is it a perception of other teams that the 'pressure' is our Achilles heel.
The thing is I'd probably back us to win one of our last three if we set ourselves as they did.
Our opposition will no doubt start favourites...so there'll be no complacency on our part...and that's when we tend go OK.
Well that performance did our brand no good at all. Above the shoulders. Such poor intent, discipline and work rate... made us look soft.
With Hewett's back issue apparently unlikely to be resolved any time soon, Stocker and Chugga concussed, Durdin with a shoulder and the Magoos showing very little... the pickings may be slim. A very bad Saturday for the CFC.
Hopefully Newman's knee is just a cut but that might still be a week. Kemp was a bright light in the Magoos. Martin battled hard. JSOS, Kemp and Martin are probably 3 ins. And Dow will probably get his chance.
So now it's time to focus on the Gabba... and an attitude/intent transplant during the week.
With Hewett's back issue apparently unlikely to be resolved any time soon, Stocker and Chugga concussed, Durdin with a shoulder and the Magoos showing very little... the pickings may be slim. A very bad Saturday for the CFC.
Yesterday our depth was unbelievable, today it's slim pickings.
I would be resting Cripps next week to get him ready for the last 2 big games.
Yesterday our depth was unbelievable, today it's slim pickings.
Hardly.
Its just that everyone is out of form at the same point.
Hardly.
Its just that everyone is out of form at the same point.
My sarcasm didn't come through?
About this time the previous 2 years we turned our toes up when a chance to play finals. Hopefully we are not doing again. I'll give them the benefit of being a one-off this time. Remember the rotten effort against North round 19 last year then the next week we came out and really flogged St.Kilda. Hopefully a similar effort next week.
He wasn't Robinson Crusoe but Setterfield's kicking, when under pressure, was as abysmal as usual - he should stick to hand-balling.
If you compare our form line, ladder position etc. with our next three opponents, the most realistic scenario is that we will lose all three, and those losses could get pretty ugly. At this point, we have to deal with the real prospect of a 12/10 WL for the season, and hope that other factors work in our favour for us to play finals. There's little in last night's game that suggests we can win against Lions, Pies, or Demons. Much like Fremantle, the boys look like they're running out of steam.
My sarcasm didn't come through?
My reply wasn't just for you.
Yesterday our depth was unbelievable, today it's slim pickings.
There may be a few unavailables, but there's still some pretty handy blokes who can step in. It's an area we've shone this year... next man up. My main concern is attitude, intent and discipline... not too mention ensuring we do the club proud against BrisVegas.
About this time the previous 2 years we turned our toes up when a chance to play finals. Hopefully we are not doing again. I'll give them the benefit of being a one-off this time. Remember the rotten effort against North round 19 last year then the next week we came out and really flogged St.Kilda. Hopefully a similar effort next week.
The same thought crossed my mind... for a few years now we've not finished the year well. The Vossmeister and other coaches said at the beginning of the year they expected us to add more layers and be better in the back half of the year. :-\
Steam coming out of Voss's ears at the presser.
"Outworked, lack of effort, didn't win enough contests. Asked about attitude and he said it was no different to any other week".
My thoughts -
a. bonus if we get a final after all the injuries we have. Next 2 or 3 years will be ours.
b. more confident in the coaching staff . We are still learning.
c. time to review our Fitness/Rehab system. Come to Carlton and get injured (Martin, Williams, Hewitt and co}
d. Need another quality midfielder in the draft.
e. Cripps, Walsh and SOS are the heart of the team.
Next week we need players to at least have a crack. Not going to win so time to work on a few things.
Outs - Kennedy (inj), Durdin (inj), Newnes (inj), Plowman, there will be more...
Ins - Hewitt, Honey, Martin, Marchy, Stocker (to tag Charley C), and anyone else who will have a crack...
Don't give up. We are on the right track 8)
When Durdin went down we lost a lot of run, Newman getting injured just stretched the bench and ultimately impacted the rotations.
Pitto had a shocker, wasn't offering any 2nd efforts, he is probably back prematurely but I can see he needs the run so it's a no win situation.
TDK looked lost, not being in the ruck really threw him off course. With SoJ coming on, BigH, Charlie, SoJ and TDK inside F50 is too much, they get in each others way and bring opponents to the contest closing up space and leaving us short of run and chase.
Plowman, Setterfield and LoB all had nights to forget, a lot of that might also be a result of the loss of run. BigH, Charlie, Owies, Motlop had little influence, the ball didn't get down there enough or in the right fashion for them to have much impact,
SoJ was an OK replacement for Newman, but with similar run he wasn't useful in covering the loss of Durdin up forward, his chase didn't impact the Crows running out of our defence. When the game was up for grabs late we tried to swing him into D50 and Himmelberg taught him some D50 basics. In the end he was probably a poor choice of sub, more of a sub by an apology than a purpose.
Owies was OK early, but when Durdin went down Owies was left doing too much and run himself into the ground, this is partly the price of carrying Motlop who at this stage is a bit of a luxury item. We needed another small / medium forward who could run deep defensively.
Besides Hewett, probably another type of player we needed last night was a fit and in form Stocker.
Durdin was worst on ground before he got injured.
This match was also a reality check with Pittonet. He is a solid average ruckman who on his best days will break even with the opposition rucks
The Pitto problem is that he's a good ordinary ruckmen, too many got sold on the dodgy early season stats, stats that are chicken and egg logic.
With Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra and Kennedy all on the roll early in the season, we probably could have had this guy rucking and he would have been ranked the No.1 ruck!(https://i.giphy.com/media/3o7WIFqF6GFzaUGb6M/giphy.webp)
Early in the season our ruck work was dominated by 2nd efforts, you could see the SpecialK influence, it wasn't what we were doing with taps but what happened in the very next moment. The shepherds, blocks, pick ups, etc., etc.. The early season ruck 2nd efforts stopped or slowed opposition clearances allowing our Mids to go to work, we did not have to win pure taps to win the clearance.
Last night however, and it is probably injury / recovery related, Pitto and TDK were spectators after the tap and basically played O'Brien into AA contention! FFS, Himmelberg and Walker owned our blokes, Walker toyed with them!
c. time to review our Fitness/Rehab system. Come to Carlton and get injured (Martin, Williams, Hewitt and co}
You should probably redirect that anger to the recruiters.
All of those players exhibited injuries at their previous club. We recruited perennially injured players, not turned them into them.
14 mins to go in the last quarter we were 2 goals down.
WTF happened .?..
14 mins to go in the last quarter we were 2 goals down.
WTF happened .?..
I pinpointed how we lost the game.
It was as much like the st. Kilda game.
We burnt our teammates too frequently and got scored on the turnover. The mcgovern intercept by macadam summed up the game.
14 mins to go in the last quarter we were 2 goals down.
WTF happened .?..
There is a cascade of effects, you lose some run, players get more fatigued, skills drop away you make mistakes, you get more fatigue while trying to correct mistakes, the pressure builds, quality decision making diminishes, you get more fatigued, skills drop away, etc., etc., etc., it's a feedback loop.
On top of that you get the odd bit of bad luck and it all compounds.
our f....k problems how many times have i said same thing .1 blind kicks from defence straight to opposition turn over goal 2 our midfield all 1 pace sos brings setters / kennedy 3 long bombs to a crowded forward line harry or charlie . Nick Austin better recruit some strong quick players
Plowman should never play while stocker is on the list. Simply as that. Plowmans c0ckups that are always so costly and every loss we have that he plays in is littered with them. Surely we are past playing this bloke?
As our mate Cornes showed on the footy show we had several lame attempts. The usual culprits in Plowman, LOB and setterfield and Motlop were shown several times.
I will give Motlop an out as he is still learning but Setterfield has had enough chances and is a one paced no urgency 2nds player and is cooked imo and while LOBs kicking has improved and is a nice skill is this the bloke you want playing a high pressure hard hitting final? He will be found out imo and I think none of the 4 players mentioned above can play IF we make finals.
Too many duds on the list that cannot handle pressure nor give it ...... Austin needs to get out the secataurs and trim the deadwood.
I don't want to read people saying things like "but he played well against XYZ" ......... yeah, so friggen what, a broken clock is right twice a day.
Too many players getting paid too much money for very little worthwhile output.
You should probably redirect that anger to the recruiters.
All of those players exhibited injuries at their previous club. We recruited perennially injured players, not turned them into them.
Yep, fully agree...you look at the history of all those players plus add McGovern and they miss a lot of games during the season on average so you never have continuity in the team for too long.
Its down to the Recruiters as you say and we cant be recruiting those types anymore as its not sustainable..
Yep, fully agree...you look at the history of all those players plus add McGovern and they miss a lot of games during the season on average so you never have continuity in the team for too long.
Its down to the Recruiters as you say and we cant be recruiting those types anymore as its not sustainable..
At the time, we had cash to spend and limited players wanting to come to us. So we took what we could get. All players are indeed talented. Just not consistently perform at AFL level, usually through injury.
So i don't begrudge the recruiters because at the time it was what we had to do.
However, as you say, we can't be recruiting those types.....ANYMORE.
Now we don't have to recruit injured players. Players will want to come to us and we can be more picky with who we chase.
Regardless of what happens in the last few rounds (and finals?) this is a new era of the Carlton Football Club and we need readjust how we do things....and recruiting injured players needs to stop.
Durdin was worst on ground before he got injured.
I dont like it how we are rushing Durdin - he is at least 2 years away. I like his determination and pressure acts but that isnt enough for AFL football. Motlop is the only small forward that can actually play like a small forward and even he is two years away.
Plowman should never play while stocker is on the list. Simply as that. Plowmans c0ckups that are always so costly and every loss we have that he plays in is littered with them. Surely we are past playing this bloke?
As our mate Cornes showed on the footy show we had several lame attempts. The usual culprits in Plowman, LOB and setterfield and Motlop were shown several times.
I will give Motlop an out as he is still learning but Setterfield has had enough chances and is a one paced no urgency 2nsa player and is cooked imo and while LOBs kicking has improved and is a nice skill is this the bloke you want playing a high pressure hard hitting final? He will be found out imo and I think none of the 4 players mentioned above can play IF we make finals.
We have a few players who lose interest in the hot contest and struggle to stick tackles when the opposition stronger blokes flex their muscles, Walker knows he can have his way physically with us and Fogarty his heir in waiting also learned a few of our blokes will jump out the road if you look menacing enough and have enough momentum.
Setterfield started ok but faded badly and as River Rat suggested his kicking under pressure falls away badly, LOB got caught on the end of some play where he had bigger players run into him and struggled to control them and Plowman was in lala land with his disposal especially and had some diabolical turnovers.
Motlop I dont mind as the kid does some good stuff and isnt scared plus will come to teammates assistance......same with Owies who will also fly the flag, Harry on the other hand is about as physical as a wet lettuce leaf and needs a can of whoop arse before the game to fire him up.
Half backs and half forwards broke down last night - the biggest cardinal sin was not providing numbers around the ball. We got completely out played.... Adelaide were far hungrier and methodical with the numbers to the contest and then the spread.
Half backs and half forwards broke down last night - the biggest cardinal sin was not providing numbers around the ball. We got completely out played.... Adelaide were far hungrier and methodical with the numbers to the contest and then the spread.
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Half backs and half forwards broke down last night - the biggest cardinal sin was not providing numbers around the ball. We got completely out played.... Adelaide were far hungrier and methodical with the numbers to the contest and then the spread.
Voss didnt make enough moves and then ran out of chess pieces when we had Durdin, Kennedy and Newman injured....just dont know why he left Saad loose on Keays....you see Saad chasing the ball and not manning Keays up and the latter on his own goalside with no opponent and when you have dummies like Plowman turning it over you get burnt.
Cant remember who kicked the ball that McAdam put one arm to steal but you cant expect to win games when you make basic kicking errors in the backline, that was Carlton from the Bolton/Teague era stuff where we used to give away 5 goals in 5 minutes.
Adelaide were smart, they go to Dawson nearly every time to bring the ball out of defense but we were asleep and never manned him up so to force some of their other spuds to kick the ball.
I'd be playing Kemp over Plowman as I cant see Plowman improving and he is just too inconsistent with how he makes decisions and uses the ball..
I dont like it how we are rushing Durdin - he is at least 2 years away. I like his determination and pressure acts but that isnt enough for AFL football. Motlop is the only small forward that can actually play like a small forward and even he is two years away.
I like Durdin and Motlop, they are going to be fine players.
Voss didnt make enough moves and then ran out of chess pieces when we had Durdin, Kennedy and Newman injured....just dont know why he left Saad loose on Keays....you see Saad chasing the ball and not manning Keays up and the latter on his own goalside with no opponent and when you have dummies like Plowman turning it over you get burnt.
Cant remember who kicked the ball that McAdam put one arm to steal but you cant expect to win games when you make basic kicking errors in the backline, that was Carlton from the Bolton/Teague era stuff where we used to give away 5 goals in 5 minutes.
Adelaide were smart, they go to Dawson nearly every time to bring the ball out of defense but we were asleep and never manned him up so to force some of their other spuds to kick the ball.
I'd be playing Kemp over Plowman as I cant see Plowman improving and he is just too inconsistent with how he makes decisions and uses the ball..
re mcadam incident.
pretty sure that was Gov.
re mcadam incident.
pretty sure that was Gov.
You are correct....think he redeemed himself with a pass to Cottrell for a goal not long after but the McAdam turnover was crucial at that stage.
That is what happens when you don't turn up to play.
I know I keep banging on about this, feel free to skip...
We've had a terrific adjustment to all the PS changes, which was an overhaul from building foundations to CEO.
Week by week we succumbed to the inherent Carlton Injury Crisis. We also loose 2 defenders in rare circumstances without replacement.
With change embraced and confidence high, we perform above and beyond until the bye. Albeit with a couple of slim wins.
Based on our relative success we expect to perform better post bye, as players return from injury.
What we're actually seeing is that expectation may be unrealistic or at least premature. Return from injury, regardless if your name is Weitering or Honey, doesn't mean return to form. Moreover, it doesn't mean you’ll fit back into your line or the team seamlessly. The challenge is greater with a new game plan and it's incrementally introduced layers. Quite a different prospect to returning to what you know. Weiters, Honey, Cerra, Pitto are just a few examples.
As much as we can have hope that processes will take care of results. We can't deny the influence of change and injuries. For whatever reason we're one of the most injured teams in the competition, and have been for many years. The big day is won by healthy lists. When we have a healthy list, I believe sustained success will follow.
In the interim, we marvel at the development of those players forced to take on new roles and responsibilities. We admire the progress in coaching and adaptation. We celebrate the small wins.
Not sure about anyone else, but I think the next layer needs to address list health. Be it recruiting, fitness and conditioning, or mindset. Or any other factor that will contribute positively. Hope is wonderful. Confidence is necessary, but neither are enough to sustain success.
Go Blues
I know I keep banging on about this, feel free to skip...
We've had a terrific adjustment to all the PS changes, which was an overhaul from building foundations to CEO.
Week by week we succumbed to the inherent Carlton Injury Crisis. We also loose 2 defenders in rare circumstances without replacement.
With change embraced and confidence high, we perform above and beyond until the bye. Albeit with a couple of slim wins.
Based on our relative success we expect to perform better post bye, as players return from injury.
What we're actually seeing is that expectation may be unrealistic or at least premature. Return from injury, regardless if your name is Weitering or Honey, doesn't mean return to form. Moreover, it doesn't mean you’ll fit back into your line or the team seamlessly. The challenge is greater with a new game plan and it's incrementally introduced layers. Quite a different prospect to returning to what you know. Weiters, Honey, Cerra, Pitto are just a few examples.
As much as we can have hope that processes will take care of results. We can't deny the influence of change and injuries. For whatever reason we're one of the most injured teams in the competition, and have been for many years. The big day is won by healthy lists. When we have a healthy list, I believe sustained success will follow.
In the interim, we marvel at the development of those players forced to take on new roles and responsibilities. We admire the progress in coaching and adaptation. We celebrate the small wins.
Not sure about anyone else, but I think the next layer needs to address list health. Be it recruiting, fitness and conditioning, or mindset. Or any other factor that will contribute positively. Hope is wonderful. Confidence is necessary, but neither are enough to sustain success.
Go Blues
Great Post. Totally agree
Easy in hindsight but Setterfield is never in the starting 22 before Jack Silvagni....regardless of what position or role they're playing.
Easy in hindsight but Setterfield is never in the starting 22 before Jack Silvagni....regardless of what position or role they're playing.
Setterfield is just depth imo, dont want to be relying on him vs the better teams with a finals spot on the line.
Contested players are King and we need players who can go hard all day for the next three weeks, need Kennedy fit and Hewett back in to beef up the midfield at the coalface.
That is what happens when you don't turn up to play.
Totally agree. I've watched all or parts of every game played this week and in not one game has the losing side played such a dispirited, pathetic, bruise free style as we did yesterday.
It was bad enough losing, but the way we lost, being run over by a bottom of the ladder side, really hurts.
With so many underachievers, if we happen to make the 8, we will just be making up the numbers.
Sorry, the Giants are keeping us company with their efforts.
I know I keep banging on about this, feel free to skip...
We've had a terrific adjustment to all the PS changes, which was an overhaul from building foundations to CEO.
Week by week we succumbed to the inherent Carlton Injury Crisis. We also loose 2 defenders in rare circumstances without replacement.
With change embraced and confidence high, we perform above and beyond until the bye. Albeit with a couple of slim wins.
Based on our relative success we expect to perform better post bye, as players return from injury.
What we're actually seeing is that expectation may be unrealistic or at least premature. Return from injury, regardless if your name is Weitering or Honey, doesn't mean return to form. Moreover, it doesn't mean you’ll fit back into your line or the team seamlessly. The challenge is greater with a new game plan and it's incrementally introduced layers. Quite a different prospect to returning to what you know. Weiters, Honey, Cerra, Pitto are just a few examples.
As much as we can have hope that processes will take care of results. We can't deny the influence of change and injuries. For whatever reason we're one of the most injured teams in the competition, and have been for many years. The big day is won by healthy lists. When we have a healthy list, I believe sustained success will follow.
In the interim, we marvel at the development of those players forced to take on new roles and responsibilities. We admire the progress in coaching and adaptation. We celebrate the small wins.
Not sure about anyone else, but I think the next layer needs to address list health. Be it recruiting, fitness and conditioning, or mindset. Or any other factor that will contribute positively. Hope is wonderful. Confidence is necessary, but neither are enough to sustain success.
Go Blues
I love your enthusiasm, but when the side for yesterday's game was announced I thought there was general agreement among supporters that it was a very good one, certainly able to beat Adelaide and cement our position in the 8.
As other posters have said, the problems above the shoulders are still a work in progress.
I love your enthusiasm, but when the side for yesterday's game was announced I thought there was general agreement among supporters that it was a very good one, certainly able to beat Adelaide and cement our position in the 8.
As other posters have said, the problems above the shoulders are still a work in progress.
Yep. On paper we had the Crows more than covered. Then there's above the shoulders... turns out in this respect they had us covered. Doesn't matter how much talent you have, if your head/attitude aint right... you're knackered.
I've noticed when we're at our best there is boldness and risk in our game. Defense respect but offensive hunger. As I said previously, I hope we go into the BrisVegas game with a ruthless intensity and boldness; a want for the contest and an at-all-cost desire score big. When we're too defensive (safe?) we tend to go into our shells and end up chasing clacker.
Noticeable that the Crows shut down handball chains, clogged the run and carry and straggled the forward like few have this year while getting away with it most times. If it was that obvious to their brains trust, it should be blindingly so to everyone else now. Makes one wonder what the beaten clubs have been thinking. We thought through opponents earlier in the year. Guess part of not turning up includes the critical faculties as well and assume/hope this will happen less as the squad matures further. Also that without all our first-choice midfielders, we are vulnerable. Do we have enough cap space for another hard-nut top-liner who sticks tackles?
Weve become the hunted now. That's why they beat us. When we were hunting we were good enough now sides are going after us we need to respond and we seem incapable.
Just quietly I realised yesterday that we haven't been the same since Williamson was parted ways with.
Not sure what happened there but it could be that this has caused a few issues.
................. Do we have enough cap space for another hard-nut top-liner who sticks tackles?
Not an easy question to answer. Charlie Curnow, McKay and deKoning are contracted till 2023, and their pay packets will surely increase. We've already spent good money on Cerra, Williams, Martin etc. If you're talking about a 700-800K player, I would have thought it unlikely we can afford someone like that, unless we offload a few.
Noticeable that the Crows shut down handball chains, clogged the run and carry and straggled the forward like few have this year while getting away with it most times. If it was that obvious to their brains trust, it should be blindingly so to everyone else now. Makes one wonder what the beaten clubs have been thinking. We thought through opponents earlier in the year. Guess part of not turning up includes the critical faculties as well and assume/hope this will happen less as the squad matures further. Also that without all our first-choice midfielders, we are vulnerable. Do we have enough cap space for another hard-nut top-liner who sticks tackles?
We have him in the VFL his name is Liam Stocker.
Heard this on the radio this morning from a Carlton supporter working on the show....
'When I die, I will ask for some representatives from the Carlton Football Club to lower my coffin into the grave so they can let me down one last time.....'
we have players that CANT run and spread our players are to SLOW,So nick Austin knows what required now i hope.
we have players that CANT run and spread our players are to SLOW,So nick Austin knows what required now i hope.
He would argue he got Boyd and Hayes to provide those characteristics, problem is you have to get the ball first and strangely the Crows beat us at the contested game which is where we usually do well. Losing Hewett seems to have thrown our midfield engine out and then losing Kennedy stretched our depth as those coalface type players with good body size are hard to replace.
Of course our run and spread was curtailed because Saad had one off his rare off days thanks to Nicks tactics and there wasnt an alternative source. Having the extra tall in the team was a mistake and then Voss got caught out with three major injuries which didnt allow him much flexibility to make moves, rest players etc and we were overrun in the end and probably got lucky the Crows didnt have the equipment to punish us more on the scoreboard.
I didn't expect to play finals this year. I have seen a massive improvement compared to last year. Yes this game was disappointing but it really did not surprise me. No way we can win any of the next 3, so we miss this year. Hope it stings the players so we come back better next season.