Sunday August 7th
3.20 PM
Gabba.
I think only the most swivel eyed Carlton tragics can see us winning this one.
I think only the most swivel eyed Carlton tragics can see us winning this one.
Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat :))
Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat :))
I hope so, but I can't see it myself. Doubts on Hewett, Kennedy, Newman, Durdin are not a good start. Plus we'll be traveling 2 weeks in a row (Brisbane also traveled, but are back home). Plus their record at the Gabba, unlike the G, is very good. I really can't see a win.
As an aside, It seems to me that the form of Cripps, and to a lesser extent Curnow and McKay, is strongly linked to the team's performance. In the early part of the season when Cripps was on track for 100 Brownlow votes, McKay and Curnow were kicking truly and were on the end on some genuinely scintillating ball movement. Since then, things have dropped off. I know the injuries are a genuine reason. I'm not sure of the causality - I don't know if the form of these three affects the team, or if the team affects their form.
I'm also still of the opinion that Voss' game style is quite taxing, like Fremantle. Whilst it's certainly possible that the players just thought they could rock up, they looked pretty stuffed IMO.
Assuming both Kennedy and Hewett are out, Dow probably gets a shot at it this week?
And if Newman and Durdin both miss, I'd go with Silvagni and Stocker back into the starting 22.
I doubt they'll abandon the two ruckman policy after just one game back for Pittonet.
I don't expect a win but I hope we have enough pride to make a game of it.
However, if we attempt the same half-hearted tackles against the larger bodied Brisbane side as we did against Adelaide then we are in for a belting.
We will get smashed.
Not sure i'll be tipping us but we are a decent chance of winning as we tend to bounce back pretty hard after a loss these days. Haven't lost 2 in a row all year. Brisbane aren't that good. Won't base our chances on one game given we sit 12-7 and just a game behind Brisbane.
I'd be telling the players that you put your spot in the 8 in this position so you get us out of it.
Hawthorn, Fremantle, Essendon and Richmond have beat them this year.
They're not unbeatable at the moment.
Dow is likely to get a game this week and if he does, he will be playing with the freedom of not having a heavy tag, like he has had over the past number of weeks in the 2s. Could see him turn in a good one with the shackles released. (Here's hoping). Or do we give Setterfied the chance to replace Kennedy in the mid field and play him in his natural environment??
Injuries have been deep and been unsettling as thrown players out of form - match fitness - synergy building and the like.
But I still think our A game is quite elite I have serious concerns from some ground players that have been flakey for years and conditional players. But the flip side is we have some serious weapons on every line and need to start getting our A game in motion starting this week.
Internally would expect Voss to treat this week as a elimination final. We were embarrassed on the field and in the coaches box and while I’m not expecting a win im certain we will see a response and the game will be a lot closer then many expect imo.
We have a list strong enough to beat them provided we all buy in and want it enough. Expecting big games from our senior core in Weitering Doc Cripps Walsh Harry Charlie etc.
Blues by 12 in an upset.
Dow is likely to get a game this week and if he does, he will be playing with the freedom of not having a heavy tag, like he has had over the past number of weeks in the 2s. Could see him turn in a good one with the shackles released. (Here's hoping). Or do we give Setterfied the chance to replace Kennedy in the mid field and play him in his natural environment??
Im not sure what the MC sees in Setterfield. As a winger he has height as an advantage, but he is generally a bit of a one paced player, who doesnt exactly get leather poisoning to make up for a lack of any endearing attributes.
I suspect that Voss values height or the ability to play tall, which might be why Dow is struggling a little.
Im not sure what the MC sees in Setterfield. As a winger he has height as an advantage, but he is generally a bit of a one paced player, who doesnt exactly get leather poisoning to make up for a lack of any endearing attributes.
I suspect that Voss values height or the ability to play tall, which might be why Dow is struggling a little.
Setterfield has been a disappointment imho, not a contested mid who was going to help Cripps as was the original idea and played his better footy on the wing as a poor man's Kamdyn McIntosh.
Wouldn't be in my best 22 and it's hard to find a real weapon in his play that sets him apart other than his height and even then his high marking is hardly a feature of his play. Be on my trade/delist list at seasons end..
Come the 'wet @rse' time, and based on current indicators, who would I not want to find myself in the trenches with... Setterfield, Weitering and Plowman.
We had gone win/loss since half way through the season. A repeat get us 4 or 5th. One win gets us 7th or 8th. Don't want to think about zero wins.
In the modern game, the winger is a low-possession role with tons of unrewarded running as wingers keep their width and are therefore out of the contest. The rebounding defender role is the high possession one. Yes, there are teams with star players on the wing (e.g. St. Kilda & Hill) and those teams tie themselves in knots trying to bring those star into the play which undermines the role of the winger.
In the modern game, the winger is a low-possession role with tons of unrewarded running as wingers keep their width and are therefore out of the contest. The rebounding defender role is the high possession one. Yes, there are teams with star players on the wing (e.g. St. Kilda & Hill) and those teams tie themselves in knots trying to bring those star into the play which undermines the role of the winger.
Collingwood are prospering with Lipinski, Sidebottom and Josh Daicos going very well on the wings.
I wanted Lipinski the past couple of years. He's going well.
Collingwood are prospering with Lipinski, Sidebottom and Josh Daicos going very well on the wings.
Sidebottom is having a career best season, but the Filth aren't perfect and there are many Filth supporters that see some worrying signs relating to the size and shape of their list. At the moment they are drinking a bit of their own bathwater after some terribly lucky escapes, but of course everybody needs a bit of luck.
You know what always happens with luck, it balances out! ;)
Ed Langdon is probably close to the best pure wingman in the game....non-stop running from defence to forward line....gets plenty of it and usually pretty effective with it.
Ed Langdon is probably close to the best pure wingman in the game....non-stop running from defence to forward line....gets plenty of it and usually pretty effective with it.
Yep, I 100% agree.
For me the wing can be many things, as we know Fraser Gehrig started as a wing, I think coaches can be too formulaic when managing these positions. For example I could see SoJ or Charlie being effective wingmen given the appropriate tactics.
Having said that, I also think at times this season Walsh has been wasted on the wing. Just because he can run the wing, doesn't mean he should!
Sidebottom is averaging fewer disposals per game than LOB this year. Both average in the teens as is the case with most wingers. Langdon is the exception, averaging almost 22 disposals per game. But remember he’s on the ground for 100% of his matches which is crazy given how hard he runs. Being in the centre square crew is a better way to rack up possessions.
Setterfield has 14.6 disposals per game, but 2 of his 10 games were either wiped out by injury or being the injury sub. Considering only the other 8 games, he has averaged 18 disposals per game. That’s the same as LOB and slightly better than Sidebottom.
That’s just 1 aspect of their performance this season, of course. Clearly, Sidebottom has been better than Setterfield. But that’s not because Setterfield has racked up low possession numbers for a winger.
Sidebottom is averaging fewer disposals per game than LOB this year. Both average in the teens as is the case with most wingers. Langdon is the exception, averaging almost 22 disposals per game. But remember he’s on the ground for 100% of his matches which is crazy given how hard he runs. Being in the centre square crew is a better way to rack up possessions.
Setterfield has 14.6 disposals per game, but 2 of his 10 games were either wiped out by injury or being the injury sub. Considering only the other 8 games, he has averaged 18 disposals per game. That’s the same as LOB and slightly better than Sidebottom.
That’s just 1 aspect of their performance this season, of course. Clearly, Sidebottom has been better than Setterfield. But that’s not because Setterfield has racked up low possession numbers for a winger.
Agree and think there is more to a wingers game than just running. The ball is kicked to one on one alot and need to win those battles in the air, win plenty of ground balls and plenty of tackles. Ed Langdon is a pro with his running patterns and Melbourne play a little wider than Vossy where he likes to bring the wings and half forwards/half backs to the contest. Setters is probably best described as a defensive winger.
The disposal stats are similar, (Yes Lob is slightly higher) but Sidebottom has an average of 2.95 tackles to Lob's 1.31 and also almost twice the 1% across the course of the season.
Setterfield hasnt been played often enough to be involved in this conversation but when you mention these wingers a pattern emerges:
Sidebottom - Tough, Damaging, and capable of playing more roles. Hits the scoreboard too
LOB - Quick and a good user of the pill generally can go missing (blame previous coaches for lack lustre development).
Ed Langdon - A gun. I dont really see a weakness in his game. Maybe not overly tall? Neither are the others.
Setterfield: Yet to mark his credentials as anything but an also ran and has 0 qualities that make him an outstanding footballer. Needs to get tougher. Id rather play Newnes than Setterfield which makes a statement of itself.
Im not sure what the MC sees in Setterfield. As a winger he has height as an advantage, but he is generally a bit of a one paced player, who doesnt exactly get leather poisoning to make up for a lack of any endearing attributes.
I suspect that Voss values height or the ability to play tall, which might be why Dow is struggling a little.
It was reward for effort. He played some decent games in the 2's.
He played a decent game the week before, i think he had 24 touches.
Problem has always been, he can't perform at his best consistently enough, and doesn't really have a best position.
In terms of tall slow mids, we have Cripps and Kennedy, with Silvagni an option too.....all ahead of Setterfield there.
In terms of wingers, we have LOB, Cottrell, Walsh, Newnes, Fisher....all ahead of Setterfield there.
In terms of back pockets/hbfs, we have Docherty, Saad, Newman, Plowman, Stocker, McGovern, Marchbank....all ahead of him there.
He hasn't grown into a role like we would have liked, and the roles he has performed for us, we have better options.
He is not as bad as people make out....but he isn't as good as he should be either.
It was reward for effort. He played some decent games in the 2's.
He played a decent game the week before, i think he had 24 touches.
Problem has always been, he can't perform at his best consistently enough, and doesn't really have a best position.
In terms of tall slow mids, we have Cripps and Kennedy, with Silvagni an option too.....all ahead of Setterfield there.
In terms of wingers, we have LOB, Cottrell, Walsh, Newnes, Fisher....all ahead of Setterfield there.
In terms of back pockets/hbfs, we have Docherty, Saad, Newman, Plowman, Stocker, McGovern, Marchbank....all ahead of him there.
He hasn't grown into a role like we would have liked, and the roles he has performed for us, we have better options.
He is not as bad as people make out....but he isn't as good as he should be either.
Im not against rewarding form, but have you ever seen Setterfield do something (anything) and go thats why he gets a game?
I said similar about Boyd earlier in the season, but that was after his first AFL game, where he stunk it up. Thats not unusual company to be in, given Kade Simpson and even Joel Selwoods debut where the numbers werent high, the clanger count was, but some players are worth persevering with.
Through sheer lack of other options, Setters passed 50 games as an AFL player this year, and whilst I am unsure what role he can play (like you say) I don't even know what he does well aside from be tall...
Collingwood are prospering with Lipinski, Sidebottom and Josh Daicos going very well on the wings.
Two of those wander around doing whatever they want without an opponent.
I have a feeling we'll know the future of our season 10 minutes into this game.
If we're fair dinkum having a go we'll be hard at it.
If not, we've racked it
No doubt plenty on here think Setterfield is a waste of space, but if you look at his opportunities, injuries, coach shenanigans etc. it's not a great development environment, by any measure. Averages nine games per season, never knows from one week to the next who the coach will be, whether he's in the seniors or the two's, what position he will play etc. Apart from injuries, he's been stuffed around by our club big time. Originally recruited as a big bodied inside / outside mid, and from memory, only Bolton played him there consistently. He needs continuity, and he needs the coach to back him for a solid block of games in one position, which he can make his own. Only after that can we judge him IMO. But I fear it might be too late for him.
Two of those wander around doing whatever they want without an opponent.
I've a relative who is a Filth supporter, he mentioned that the Daicos kids basically playing unmarked and he is gobsmacked opposition have let them run free for so long.
No doubt plenty on here think Setterfield is a waste of space, but if you look at his opportunities, injuries, coach shenanigans etc. it's not a great development environment, by any measure.
Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.
But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!
Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.
But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!
FMD generalise much?
Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.
But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!
Lob has improved, Setterfield hasnt and his weaknesses are still his weaknesses and Plowman is a turnover merchant when the heat is on and while I have appreciated the dirty jobs he has copped in the past I think its time to put some faith in younger players like Kemp who have better skills and play them ahead of Plowman who probably is getting close to his use by date.
I thinks Fans do get it and want better because we now have a better list and need to keep tweaking it to make a top 4 sustainable list and that means players like Setterfield and Plowman are now redundant.
FMD generalise much?
I've managed to get to several games this season and I have watched all of the other games on TV. I have also watched replays of the games I saw live. I consider myself to be a keen student of the game and I try to pay attention to player positioning, what players do off the ball, what positions players take, who their opponents are, etc, etc. I find that I pick up things I missed live when I watch replays and, depending on the coverage, our tactics and individual player efforts are sometimes clearer on TV. I guess that's why players and coaches spend hours watching videos of each game.
Of course, as with most things, two people watching the same footy match live or on TV will see the game differently.
Lob has improved, Setterfield hasnt and his weaknesses are still his weaknesses and Plowman is a turnover merchant when the heat is on and while I have appreciated the dirty jobs he has copped in the past I think its time to put some faith in younger players like Kemp who have better skills and play them ahead of Plowman who probably is getting close to his use by date.
I thinks Fans do get it and want better because we now have a better list and need to keep tweaking it to make a top 4 sustainable list and that means players like Setterfield and Plowman are now redundant.
Couldn't agree more, EB1.
Sadly, when the heat in the kitchen is full-on, these two just cannot be relied upon. Kemp and Stocker in a heartbeat.
Couldn't agree more, EB1.
Sadly, when the heat in the kitchen is full-on, these two just cannot be relied upon. Kemp and Stocker in a heartbeat.
Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.
I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.
Im not against rewarding form, but have you ever seen Setterfield do something (anything) and go thats why he gets a game?
I said similar about Boyd earlier in the season, but that was after his first AFL game, where he stunk it up. Thats not unusual company to be in, given Kade Simpson and even Joel Selwoods debut where the numbers werent high, the clanger count was, but some players are worth persevering with.
Through sheer lack of other options, Setters passed 50 games as an AFL player this year, and whilst I am unsure what role he can play (like you say) I don't even know what he does well aside from be tall...
His best games, where when he played as a lock down backman a couple years ago or thereabouts.
People still had a go at him because of his low possession count, and maybe the 1 disposal error he made, but overlooked that his opponent did SFA.
He has played good games, but just not enough in a row, in the same position, to make a sustained case for him.
Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.
I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.
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Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.
I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.
Probably a Voss-like purge at season's end?
With Kennedy out do we bring Dow in or just move Setterfield into the middle and bring in Martin?
With Kennedy out do we bring Dow in or just move Setterfield into the middle and bring in Martin?
We are paying Dow to be on our list, we might as well force him to play a game or 2 to see if its worth it.
I'd go something like this....
Out: Newman, Kennedy, Durdin (all injured) Setterfield, TDK,
In: Marchbank, Dow, Honey, Martin, Newnes
Before last week's game against the Crows, we had four chances to win the one match we require to capture a finals birth.
After playing the weakest of the upcoming opposition teams, we still need to win one match.
The Lions players will be whipped into a frenzy by their coach, they will not drop this one at home meaning that we will still need to win one more match but from two games instead of four.
I'm not all that confident about winning any of the remaining three, but I think the Pies is the one where we may jag a surprise win, if only because they are overdue for a loss.
If Richmond beat Port this week we will most likely have to win 2 more games.
Understand wing is an interesting role in our team and perplexing. One player that hasn't been payed there this year is Honey. Has pace, can kick. May be late to try but a qtr wouldn't hurt if terrible can still play fwd with Cottrell and LOB on the other. Setterfield and Plow can't play in same side imo
Before last week's game against the Crows, we had four chances to win the one match we require to capture a finals birth.
After playing the weakest of the upcoming opposition teams, we still need to win one match.
Matt Rendell said on SEN that the Crows have been playing with heaps of physical pressure for a few weeks now and they gave Sydney a fright the week before they beat us. Their ladder position doesn’t reflect their strength at the moment. The injuries we suffered are more worrying than the loss to the Crows.
Matt Rendell said on SEN that the Crows have been playing with heaps of physical pressure for a few weeks now and they gave Sydney a fright the week before they beat us. Their ladder position doesn’t reflect their strength at the moment. The injuries we suffered are more worrying than the loss to the Crows.
Lost three of the past five games leading up to the finals, think we need to stop deflecting and saying how physical the Crows play and face reality we are struggling and have too many of our good players out of form including the coach..
Lost three of the past five games leading up to the finals, think we need to stop deflecting and saying how physical the Crows play and face reality we are struggling and have too many of our good players out of form including the coach..
Yep - very wobbly forward of center and on the flanks and Harry has kicked three goals in three games and dropping basically everything. Not a good time to be out of form.
Yep - very wobbly forward of center and on the flanks and Harry has kicked three goals in three games and dropping basically everything. Not a good time to be out of form.
Ill say one thing in Harry's defence and that's the delivery to him. Its been atrocious. FFS can they try kicking out in front of him so he can attack it arms outstretched? They bomb it high on his head and he gets mauled by two or three every time.
Ill say one thing in Harry's defence and that's the delivery to him. Its been atrocious. FFS can they try kicking out in front of him so he can attack it arms outstretched? They bomb it high on his head and he gets mauled by two or three every time.
Lost confidence in his kicking too, that banana from 15m showed where his brain is and he needs to stop overthinking the basics.
Lost confidence in his kicking too, that banana from 15m showed where his brain is and he needs to stop overthinking the basics.
Harry has proven to perform best when he sticks to his routine. Charlie doesn't do routine well, he is better when he plays on, swings around and bangs it low and hard. I think both have strayed from what works best for them. Having said that, everything starts from defence, run and carry and aggressive kicks. We have strayed from this also and it shows up the ground. When we were challenged, we turned the screws up and ran harder again, we have strayed from this also.
All of the above comes down to attitude, we have gone from selfless to selfish. Cripps and Walsh had 80 of the most useless possessions I have seen in a long time. Id prefer 20 and 4 goals from Cripss for eg.
It's interesting or curious to read the RIley Beveridge report on what has gone wrong based on recent stats, or reading stats analysis in most of the media for that matter, because they tend to report the stats like they are the cause rather than the effect. As if the coach just has to go out there and demand fix this stat, we want bigger or better, and all will be good.
But the reality is the stats are an effect not a cause, they are an effect of internal tactics, skills and methods, and they are an effect of opposition tactics, skills and methods, people can become obsessed with the stats and miss the root problem altogether.
From what I can tell early in the season, we did the fundamentals well, better than we have done them for decades, some sacrifice, looking after those around you, putting the team first, and enjoying the footy. As the season has progressed much of this seems to have dropped away.
Stats are not a cure all, they often just report the deviation about the mean, a bit like the commentators banging on about BigH or Charlie kicking around the body rather than drop punts. Early in the season they were unconventional superstars, now the pendulum has swung the other way ever so slightly and the commentators peg the same two acts as costly errors, simply for "bizarrely not kicking drop punts".
Oddly the media quote stats in boosting their argument, but if I recall it was stats that determined the technique BigH and Charlie use, the media pick and choose the stats they like to report when in reality you have to look at them all because where one stat falls another will rise.
The media do not get it at all, yet most of the same media types probably go out and try to practise the draw or fade before they play a round of golf. Fans would do well to listen to them a little less, and support their players a little more!
Voss has to stick fat with his players on stuff like that, exerting a bit of pressure as a result of something so trivial as a short term swing in the stats could be the thread that unravels the team, Charlie and BigH need to ignore the short term and trust the long term stats.
I didn't get that impression. I think the article was simply pointing out comparative numbers between games we win and games we lose. It stated the what, not the why. The key takeaway from that article IMO is that we are a black and white team - either on or off. It's not just the contested game that falls away in losses. The uncontested game falls away as well.
I hate when the media use stats against us, especially goals and behinds.
Let's be honest, the stat that is hurting us the most is that over the past 10 weeks, we are only breaking even in the 'W' and 'L' column....
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Let's be honest, the stat that is hurting us the most is that over the past 10 weeks, we are only breaking even in the 'W' and 'L' column....
Yep, and this is historic. Our back half of the season has been an issue for years.
Hopefully the club / coaches are acknowledging the reality and doing something about it. I suspect we have the group who will act. You don't want to blow the issues out of proportion, but you don't want to minimize them (sweep under the mat) either. Might need less conservatism at the selection table as well.
If Richmond beat Port this week we will most likely have to win 2 more games.
13 wins would likely do it, although not 100%. 2 wins actually puts us into a decent position for top 4 after a hitting the ladder predictor. No wins, well......
St.Kilda's run is as bad as ours.
After a few very poor years previous I remember being dumped out of the finals last match in 1992 after being in all year. Did set up our next few years though leading to the 1995 flag.
Melbourne screwed up in 2020 finishing 9th after a couple of late bad losses.
13 wins would likely do it, although not 100%. 2 wins actually puts us into a decent position for top 4 after a hitting the ladder predictor. No wins, well......
St.Kilda's run is as bad as ours.
Have you looked at who the tigers and dogs are playing?
Have you looked at who the tigers and dogs are playing?
Yes, done the ladder predictor. We can miss with 13 as a worst case but not that likely won't as things don't always work out as predicted.
Tigers tough one is this week against Port in Adelaide. Finished strong last week to win but did fall 42 pts behind. Before that their form was poor. Dogs and Tigers struggled this this because they were losing to sides they shouldn't.
Missing with 13 wins would be disappointing but it's a big improvement and a good springboard for future years.
Silvagni and Dow go into the midfield for mine this week. I'd be asking SOS to do the grunt work to aide Cripps and Walsh. He has excellent hands around the contest, clean too. We don't have Kennedy or Hewett.
Fisher to a wing. Let's see what he's got.
After a few very poor years previous I remember being dumped out of the finals last match in 1992 after being in all year. Did set up our next few years though leading to the 1995 flag.
Melbourne screwed up in 2020 finishing 9th after a couple of late bad losses.
Same thing happened to us in the last round of 1997 (the day Lady Di passed away). Lost by 2pts to the Tigers at Princes Park (after being 5+ goals up), and ended up 11th instead of 8th.
Same thing happened to us in the last round of 1997 (the day Lady Di passed away). Lost by 2pts to the Tigers at Princes Park (after being 5+ goals up), and ended up 11th instead of 8th.
My friend thinks I'm a jinx for Carlton and I just remembered I rocked up to that game after half time.
IIRC, we had a good lead at half time but headhunting by our opponents had left us without a bench. I’m guessing that might have been more influential than your presence, MBB :D
Out: Kennedy (inj), Newman (inj), Plowman (omitted).
In: Brodie Kemp, Caleb Marchbank, Jack Martin, Jack Newnes, Lachie Fogarty, Paddy Dow.
Interchange from: Jack Martin, Will Setterfield, Corey Durdin, Tom De Koning, Paddy Dow, Lachie Fogarty,Brodie Kemp, Jack Newnes.
The 3 emergencies from that interchange will be anyone's guess.
PS. Good to see JSOS named in the starting 22 up forward.
Umpire number 22 Nathan Williamson is ready to put the first nail in our coffin.
Corey Durdin??? Thought he had a shoulder injury???
Corey Durdin??? Thought he had a shoulder injury???
They are taking the piss naming Durdin
Umpire number 22 Nathan Williamson is ready to put the first nail in our coffin.
Not "Catch 22" again!! Strewth!
After a few very poor years previous I remember being dumped out of the finals last match in 1992 after being in all year. Did set up our next few years though leading to the 1995 flag.
Melbourne screwed up in 2020 finishing 9th after a couple of late bad losses.
That's just the kind of history I'd be happy for us to repeat.
I say Marchy and Kemp are replacements for Plow and Newman. Dow in for Bam Bam, Martin the sub.
IMO Durdin won't play, Newnes and Fog won't make the 23.
Umpire number 22 Nathan Williamson is ready to put the first nail in our coffin.
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I say Marchy and Kemp are replacements for Plow and Newman. Dow in for Bam Bam, Martin the sub.
IMO Durdin won't play, Newnes and Fog won't make the 23.
I'll have a punt and reckon Fogarty will replace Durdin, Marchbank in also..
I'll have a punt and reckon Fogarty will replace Durdin, Marchbank in also..
Marchy is named in the 18 on a HBF. Fog is too slow to play v Bris I reckon Martin if anything as he has some zip (for 5 or 10 mins our of the 120)
Choose 4 from this list (and a sub)
[19] Jack Martin,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[19] Corey Durdin,
[12] Tom De Koning,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[8] Lachie Fogarty,
[17] Brodie Kemp,
[32] Jack Newnes
I'd choose Dow, Martin, Newnes and Fogarty......with Kemp the sub.
Give TDK a spell.
Setterfield can be the travelling emergency
Durdin.....taking the piss naming him.
Marchy is named in the 18 on a HBF. Fog is too slow to play v Bris I reckon Martin if anything as he has some zip (for 5 or 10 mins our of the 120)
Martin might be the sub imho ..
Martin might be the sub imho ..
Think you might be right
Very surprised Hayes didn't get recalled.
Looking at the travelling party, I now suspect the ins will be Kemp, Marchbank and Martin with Newnes emergency.
Plowman still got dropped despite Newman being injured. Writing is in the wall for him.
Criticism last week was about going a bit tall.....but Marchbank, Kemp possible inclusions this week? Regardless of their formline, the backline (as named) looks a bit lopsided for mine without Plowman and Newman.....Saad the only real "small" which would suggest he goes to Charlie Cameron.
Similarly, hard to see a forward line with Silvagni and Martin AND TDK.....so either Martin doesn't play or TDK goes out and Silvagni back in as second ruckman.
can voss stop there HBF they 2 good players rich is a must .
Criticism last week was about going a bit tall.....but Marchbank, Kemp possible inclusions this week? Regardless of their formline, the backline (as named) looks a bit lopsided for mine without Plowman and Newman.....Saad the only real "small" which would suggest he goes to Charlie Cameron.
Similarly, hard to see a forward line with Silvagni and Martin AND TDK.....so either Martin doesn't play or TDK goes out and Silvagni back in as second ruckman.
Would Voss survive as coach if he goes down that path, or would his papers refiled from being "The SoJ Hater" to one of "Harbouring Irrevocable Differences"?
I gather by playing SoJ that Voss had no choice but to drop Plowman, but can SoJ actually fill a D50 role if needed, or does D50 suffer to carry SoJ as a superfluous medium/slow forward!
Surely outside of injury, we won't go into the match with Pitto and SoJ as the ruck rotation!
I hope we create space for BigH and Charlie to move in, and not in fact create a scenario that sees more KPD type opponents being dragged to the contest by a 3rd man up!
PS, If I coached I would tell Motlop that if I see him flying against Charlie and BigH he will be banished for the remainder of the season, and demand he puts himself front and square on the move at marking contests between FF and the HBF without exception!
I haven't really watched much of the Lions this season, the media pundits are predicting one of Charlie or BigH to rip the Lions a new one this weekend.
Is this prediction based on any fact, form or injury, or is it just setting up Carlton fans for a fall?
I haven't really watched much of the Lions this season, the media pundits are predicting one of Charlie or BigH to rip the Lions a new one this weekend.
Is this prediction based on any fact, form or injury, or is it just setting up Carlton fans for a fall?
Wont be easy for Charlie and especially Harry imo without real good delivery...Andrews will probably get Harry as he has the size and I would think Adams or Gardiner would take Charlie. My money is on Charlie more likely to cut loose....
I haven't really watched much of the Lions this season, the media pundits are predicting one of Charlie or BigH to rip the Lions a new one this weekend.
Is this prediction based on any fact, form or injury, or is it just setting up Carlton fans for a fall?
I think if you look at injuries, home ground advantage, form line etc. the Lions would be entitled to start as favorites. Maybe they're not flag favorites, but I think they should have the edge in this game. Then again, we have gone LWLWL the last five weeks, which gives some sort of hope, although really this is in the realm of the supernatural IMO.
My sources tell me Voss has delivered an address to the players that was "out of the box" inspiring. Not a Barassi "strip the walls" type but a John Kennedy Snr "don't think do!" type number. Players were fully charged afterwards and if they can't produce this week they never will. Guess we'll know 10 minutes into the game if it had an effect. Fingers crossed.
My sources tell me Voss has delivered an address to the players that was "out of the box" inspiring. Not a Barassi "strip the walls" type but a John Kennedy Snr "don't think do!" type number. Players were fully charged afterwards and if they can't produce this week they never will. Guess we'll know 10 minutes into the game if it had an effect. Fingers crossed.
Talk is cheap
Why deliver a motivational address days before the game? Surely, the time for that is the pre-game address …
Criticism last week was about going a bit tall.....but Marchbank, Kemp possible inclusions this week? Regardless of their formline, the backline (as named) looks a bit lopsided for mine without Plowman and Newman.....Saad the only real "small" which would suggest he goes to Charlie Cameron.
Similarly, hard to see a forward line with Silvagni and Martin AND TDK.....so either Martin doesn't play or TDK goes out and Silvagni back in as second ruckman.
Plowman and Newman are shorter than marchbank and Kemp, sure.
However both are not the quickest and are not super agile.
Marchbank and Kemp would not really be lacking in pace by comparison and come with extra height.
It's the agility where we may see a difference.
Imo, none of those 4 would be ideal for Cameron.
Re forwardline. Martin shouldn't be lumped in with the other 2, completely different players.
I said straight after the loss that I'd be dropping tdk and keeping sos let's see if Voss has the balls to do it.
Pittonet managed
We are paying Dow to be on our list, we might as well force him to play a game or 2 to see if its worth it.
I'd go something like this....
Out: Newman, Kennedy, Durdin (all injured) Setterfield, TDK,
In: Marchbank, Dow, Honey, Martin, Newnes
Setterfield keeps his spot at the expense of plowman (same same after last week) and honey misses and wrong ruck got dropped (same same) but otherwise that's about as good as I could hope for.
Just need Kemp as the sub, and we might be half a chance
IMO Kemp is a perfect sub....given he can play multiple positions if required and he's pretty quick too....something that's also handy late in a game.
Dow's past two weeks has been his best all year imo - it was a more balanced team oriented game rather than hogging clearances he is actually balancing his game with tackles and pressure on the ball which is not known to do too much.
Setterfield has been performing very well past two weeks and no reason to drop him. He is named on the wing in front of Cottrell and LOB which is the correct call.
After seeing the final 22, I dont know if I can bare to watch!
After seeing the final 22, I dont know if I can bare to watch!
I have a feeling we might win this one.
I have a feeling we might win this one.
If we were ever a chance, with the players we have available, i think its definitely our best chance.
Don't be surprised if Setterfield spends some time in the middle field. His bread and butter
is as a big bodied mid and it's where his best form has been in the twos. With Hewett and Kennedy out, we need grunt and muscle around the ball.
Don't be surprised if Setterfield spends some time in the middle field. His bread and butter
is as a big bodied mid and it's where his best form has been in the twos. With Hewett and Kennedy out, we need grunt and muscle around the ball.
Wouldnt call him a coalface mid, his attack on the ball isnt what Hewett and Kennedy's is and thats being kind to him, his senior footy has been better on the wing imho. I'd be having my three best mids in the middle ie Cripps, Walsh and Cerra for as long as possible given the opposition are going to be a level up from the Crows onball division..
We need someone to mind Neale and McLuggage too, bit of a shame Bailey is playing as well, hopefully he is still sore.
We can win this game providing we get our matchups right and provide the same effort or better than Brisbane.....
After watching Collingwood win tonight, let's hope we don't have to beat them to stay in the 8.
Gerard Healy said on SEN that Dow should be given a role: tagging Lachie Neale. Sam McLure pointed out that Dow hasn’t tagged before but Healy didn’t back down.
After watching Collingwood win tonight, let's hope we don't have to beat them to stay in the 8.
Caro on FC reckoned Melbourne is the one we'll beat.
Caro on FC reckoned Melbourne is the one we'll beat.
We might just beat Collingwood because they'll rest all their players because they'll be a game clear on top by then! :o
After watching Collingwood win tonight, let's hope we don't have to beat them to stay in the 8.
Doesn't look like they'll need to beat us to make top 4 any more.
Criticism last week was about going a bit tall.....but Marchbank, Kemp possible inclusions this week? Regardless of their formline, the backline (as named) looks a bit lopsided for mine without Plowman and Newman.....Saad the only real "small" which would suggest he goes to Charlie Cameron.
Similarly, hard to see a forward line with Silvagni and Martin AND TDK.....so either Martin doesn't play or TDK goes out and Silvagni back in as second ruckman.
Plowman (192cm) is omitted and is replaced by Marchbank (193cm). Newman (186cm) is injured and is replaced by Newnes (184cm). Our defence isn't lopsided as such, but is undermanned with Newnes and/or our other wingers providing the seventh defender. That rarely works.
The Pitto/De Koning partnership didn't last and Jack will be back in his third tall/second ruck role. I'm not sure that works against the better teams but Pitto was painfully short of a gallop last week and needs a couple of games of full on ruckwork in the magoos.
Martin for Durdin (omitted rather than injured) gives us a little more forward firepower provided that Jack is fully fit and switched on. Martin's strength overhead could be handy given that Kennedy's concussion/jaw creates an opportunity for Dow, who isn't strong overhead.
It's not the strongest 22 we've put on the park this season, and going with only six defenders is a problem. If we find the intensity that was missing last week, we're in with a chance.
The next man up mantra will be full tested this week, with all of Dow, McGovern, Marchbank, Setterfield, Newnes, Martin and to a lesser extent Weitering having minimal AFL minutes over the last month or so.
That’s roughly a third of the team and given the game is Bris and their squad looks strong, if we were to somehow win this game it will be one of our clubs finest victories of all time.
Hoping for the best, but planning for the worst! Very very tough ask imo.
Did fans like Voss correcting the media when they sledged SoJ during the pre-match interview?
Hopefully someone makes a beeline for Bailey early on in the piece and bumps him nice and hard in a contest.
Hopefully someone makes a beeline for Bailey early on in the piece and bumps him nice and hard in a contest.
I am hoping he is a late withdrawal Surfie, thats a mighty dangerous centre line with him and McCluggage on the other wing, the latter is underrated and seems to go untagged each week and rack up the possies, we need to make sure that doesnt happen.
I'd be expecting Rhys " the beast" Mathieson to collide with a few of our more skilled players as well and I wouldnt mind seeing Cripps run into him early on, the other one is Darcy Gardiner who also seems to have a lot of so called innocent accidental contact with players and I'd be watching out for him too....like to see Harry get a bit more physical and impose himself on the contest more often as well.
I suspect 22 will BoG for Brisbane.
I suspect 22 will BoG for Brisbane.
Nathan22?
Nathan22?
Expect a sustained game changing effort! ;)
Setterfield has been a disappointment imho, not a contested mid who was going to help Cripps as was the original idea and played his better footy on the wing as a poor man's Kamdyn McIntosh.
Wouldn't be in my best 22 and it's hard to find a real weapon in his play that sets him apart other than his height and even then his high marking is hardly a feature of his play. Be on my trade/delist list at seasons end..
Agree. The fact he is still getting games shows that while our depth has improved it still needs to get better to be a genuine contender.
I really don’t understand the wraps on this guy. As you say apart from his height and I guess athletic ability he has very little else to hang his hat on.
One thing that really bugs me about him is while he is a decent size the bloke never goes in hard or lays a strong hard tackle on a smaller mid. Never! He just stands back watches from the contest from a distance and ia player and seems to prefer to just carrel the bloke with the ball over charging in to tackle him. He obviously doesn’t want the contact so
having the size he has means stuff all if you don’t use it to your advantage. Don’t think he will be picked up if on the trade table which says it all.
Setterfield has been impressive of late - has composure and skill to burn and tackles hard. I'm a fan of his and think his upside is enormous. One of the under 23s I would give an extended contract - just like I thought the same with Bam Bam.
Setterfield not going in hard is just lol material. He comes accross as laconic but is actually an excellent footballer - just missing a yard of pace. But no problem with his work in the coal face.
Setterfield has been impressive of late - has composure and skill to burn and tackles hard. I'm a fan of his and think his upside is enormous. One of the under 23s I would give an extended contract - just like I thought the same with Bam Bam.
Setterfield not going in hard is just lol material. He comes accross as laconic but is actually an excellent footballer - just missing a yard of pace. But no problem with his work in the coal face.
Astute observations pinot (is that gris, grigio or noir?).
Not everyone plays like Leigh Matthews, and they wouldn't last long in today's game if they did. Setterfield, when he's fit and firing, is a quality midfielder. He is also quite versatile and can play as an inside or outside mid and has also been used as a defender and ruckman this season. His kicking can occasionally let him down but that's the case with most midfielders trying to get a kick away under pressure.
Hopefully, he'll have a chance to string some games together and show how good he can be.
No rain 21 degrees...... should be a day for the high markers. Finals type weather!!
The fat-side winger is supposed to stay out of the contest to provide for a switch or stop the opposition’s switch. The thin-side winger is supposed to stand between the stoppage and his own goals to make sure he can intercept an opposition mid who collects the ball at top pace and runs towards goal. The days of the winger being just 1 of 6 mids are over. It’s now a role position.
You’ll note the wingers at centre square bounces don’t sprint towards the centre when the bounce takes place. They have the pace to join the contest but instead stand close to the edge of the square. They used to move in much closer to get involved, but Port Adelaide had its wingers stay back to provide an outlet and that created mayhem.
It’s easy to get footage of wingers looking like they’re unwilling to get involved in contests because they’re doing what the coach wants.
Setterfield has been impressive of late - has composure and skill to burn and tackles hard. I'm a fan of his and think his upside is enormous. One of the under 23s I would give an extended contract - just like I thought the same with Bam Bam.
Setterfield not going in hard is just lol material. He comes accross as laconic but is actually an excellent footballer - just missing a yard of pace. But no problem with his work in the coal face.
Setters perplexes me. I've praised his excellent disposal by hand and decisions under pressure, but, also, been critical that under pressure his kicks too often seem panicky and give it back to the opposition. But last week he had many mates who did the same thing... hurried and wasted kicks. Today, like others, he must put his strengths to good use... for 4 qtrs.
Many pundits, understandably, predict us getting a hiding today, or, at best, go down fighting in a desperate contest.
One of the things in our favour is BrisVegas's form around finals time. They're not in the same league as the Pussies, Go Ds or Tiggers and should we give them reason to doubt themselves, they'll wobble. In their minds they've more to lose (top 4) than us and are expected to win.
I'd like to see us play with ruthless boldness and risk (yep, and risk being opened up) rather than go too defensive. To win this game we must increase/improve our forward pressure significantly (and stick tackles!!), and lower the eyes more often when delivering into the forward line... no putting it on H's or Charlie's head! Or being too Charlie or H focussed... oh, and H, hold your marks and make every shot on goal a winner. Efficiency in front of goal (scoreboard pressure) is imperative.
And Mr and Mrs Dow's young fella, Paddy, won't have a tag today... I hope he is given the green light to play to his strengths, and build confidence, just might surprise (fingers crossed).
Setters perplexes me. I've praised his excellent disposal by hand and decisions under pressure, but, also, been critical that under pressure his kicks too often seem panicky and give it back to the opposition. But last week he had many mates who did the same thing... hurried and wasted kicks. Today, like others, he must put his strengths to good use... for 4 qtrs.
Problem I have with him is his kicking and I have seen him pull out of contests and the ones that stick in my mind were marking duels where he thought he was going to take a hit and avoided the contact.
You can't have players like that in senior midfield positions imho.
If he plays he plays on a wing where he can tag another quality player but where the game isn't so dependent on his ability to win the hard ball because I don't trust him vs quality opposition who are going to go hard everytime.
The reason why we had to get players like Hewett and reinvent Kennedy was that players like Setterfield and Dow haven't delivered..
Problem I have with him is his kicking and I have seen him pull out of contests and the ones that stick in my mind were marking duels where he thought he was going to take a hit and avoided the contact.
You can't have players like that in senior midfield positions imho.
If he plays he plays on a wing where he can tag another quality player but where the game isn't so dependent on his ability to win the hard ball because I don't trust him vs quality opposition who are going to go hard everytime.
The reason why we had to get players like Hewett and reinvent Kennedy was that players like Setterfield and Dow haven't delivered..
My criticism of Setterfield, and i've been in his corner more than most, is that he seemed to be a slow thinker.
He takes too long to find an option and dispose of the ball.
If his instincts were better, he wouldn't have to dispose of the ball under the same amount of pressure and wouldn't turn it over as much.
Something that i've really noticed about this 2022 team vs 2021 team is the quick ball movement, especially by hand. Always getting a quick handball to a teammate before getting hit/tackled/pressured.....and linking those quick handballs. Best example of this is when a player jumps up to grab the ball and handballs it before hitting the ground finding a teammate before the guy in his back pocket has a chance to affect the player/ball. An example of Setterfield in the same situation would see him jump for the ball, land, look for a teammate, take 2 steps and get tackled/pressured.
With that observation in mind, he is better suited to areas where he is less likely to be put in those situations IMO.
So wing, or even previously in the BP are ideal as he either has more time, space, or 'outs' ie boundary line to help him.
With that observation in mind, he is better suited to areas where he is less likely to be put in those situations IMO.
So wing, or even previously in the BP are ideal as he either has more time, space, or 'outs' ie boundary line to help him.
Not sure Setterfield can sustain the intensity of run at the required pace to play those roles, so for me he is always going to primarily be an inside stoppage type. If he could then he may have been a natural substitute for Plowman over the seasons but he hasn't been an option.
As much as many fans pot Plowman we've very few players as versatile and able to cover the ground like Plowman does.
Interestingly, I see Setterfield's strengths and weakness as very similar to Dow, but Setterfield has Dow covered in one area comfortably, and that is overhead!
Setterfield is much better as an inside mid than fans give him credit for, it's a hard thing to teach, and we must not fall into the trap of judging all Mids against Cripps or Walsh.
Perhaps if Hewett's condition is chronic, therefore no cure, then Voss and the MC need to setup a structure that sees Hewett managed and Setterfield developed as Hewett's natural understudy. We have a bunch of options who could also be in the mix for this role though, Carroll, Philp, Cottrell perhaps even Williams and Kemp, all look capable but few have been given the opportunity or got a clear run of fitness yet.
Having said all that, look at how Cripps has improved his agility and acceleration, if Cripps can then anyone should be able to emulate this outcome. Therefore I'd love to see SoJ get a sustained period of development as a Hewett / Cripps sub, because at VFL level SoJ was outstanding as a stoppage player. The in traffic stuff comes naturally to SoJ!
I'm a fan of Carroll and Kemp and see them as senior players but both need a breakout year where they play a consistent block of games. To me they have far more upside than Setterfield and a few others.
I'm a fan of Carroll and Kemp and see them as senior players but both need a breakout year where they play a consistent block of games. To me they have far more upside than Setterfield and a few others.
Agree with this, Carroll especially needs to time to get used to the pace of the game, he looked very slow in his appearance this year. Can only do this playing in the 1s but we need to be playing much better to be able to carry him on L plates.
To my eye, Kemp on the other hand has the opposite problem, he needs to slow down a touch and compose himself. I have Kemp ahead of Carroll just but I think they might both be ok given time.
Not sure Setterfield can sustain the intensity of run at the required pace to play those roles, so for me he is always going to primarily be an inside stoppage type.
He is too slow by hand to play that role.
Without Hewett (and now Kennedy as well) we are back to the problems we had before we got him. I’m just not sure we can cover this situation and will likely struggle since I don’t think the likes of Dow and Setterfield can make up that loss. I hope I’m wrong but I certainly look at today’s game with some trepidation.
Not sure Setterfield can sustain the intensity of run at the required pace to play those roles, so for me he is always going to primarily be an inside stoppage type. If he could then he may have been a natural substitute for Plowman over the seasons but he hasn't been an option.
As much as many fans pot Plowman we've very few players as versatile and able to cover the ground like Plowman does.
Interestingly, I see Setterfield's strengths and weakness as very similar to Dow, but Setterfield has Dow covered in one area comfortably, and that is overhead!
Setterfield is much better as an inside mid than fans give him credit for, it's a hard thing to teach, and we must not fall into the trap of judging all Mids against Cripps or Walsh.
Perhaps if Hewett's condition is chronic, therefore no cure, then Voss and the MC need to setup a structure that sees Hewett managed and Setterfield developed as Hewett's natural understudy. We have a bunch of options who could also be in the mix for this role though, Carroll, Philp, Cottrell perhaps even Williams and Kemp, all look capable but few have been given the opportunity or got a clear run of fitness yet.
Having said all that, look at how Cripps has improved his agility and acceleration, if Cripps can then anyone should be able to emulate this outcome. Therefore I'd love to see SoJ get a sustained period of development as a Hewett / Cripps sub, because at VFL level SoJ was outstanding as a stoppage player. The in traffic stuff comes naturally to SoJ!
I think Plow is highly underrated he is tough and brave but his season has been average at best. It's ok not improving on your bests but when you are at that age and chips are down you do expect some leadership to help the team out of an in-game rut. He is too vanilla to keep persisting with and also isn't improving from a mediocre base but still underrated and quite dependable but not starting 22 quality imo.
Setterfield has natural weapons to play inside mid. His distribution by hand in close is elite he has above average peripheral vision in congested situations - he's always had that Pendelbury-like handball in close.
Anyone taking bets on how many freek kicks Mathieson plays for, and gets, at the GABBA today? Mentioned it before somewhere on these threads but the You Tube clip of the highlights of his first ever AFL game is hilarious.....6 or 7 high free kicks that would push Selwood and Ginnivan back into Silver and Bronze medal placings.
Setterfield has natural weapons to play inside mid. His distribution by hand in close is elite he has above average peripheral vision in congested situations - he's always had that Pendelbury-like handball in close.
LMAO
Setterfield has natural weapons to play inside mid. His distribution by hand in close is elite he has above average peripheral vision in congested situations - he's always had that Pendelbury-like handball in close.
Let’s just pray then that he can put all of that to good use for us today Pin.
LMAO
In case people need to be reminded of his pure talent
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs6fcncNhfc&ab_channel=CarltonBluesFans
Yes, as an inside Mid / Distributor Setterfield is as good as Cripps, but he doesn't have Cripps power or explosiveness. We can't have them all in there but he should be on a rotation.
I could well see Setterfield and Cripps rotate through Mid / Forward, but you won't get support for that because the boosters will realise it's their boy SoJ who be most likely making way! That is assuming a Pitto / TDK ruck combo.
Yes, as an inside Mid / Distributor Setterfield is as good as Cripps, but he doesn't have Cripps power or explosiveness. We can't have them all in there but he should be on a rotation.
I could well see Setterfield and Cripps rotate through Mid / Forward, but you won't get support for that because the boosters will realise it's their boy SoJ who be most likely making way! That is assuming a Pitto / TDK ruck combo.
Setters is super creative and can fill the void left by Hewett imo.
Remind Voss because he's the one that keeps dropping him. He obviously doesn't view him as a Pendlebury/Cripps hybrid.
Remind Voss because he's the one that keeps dropping him. He obviously doesn't view him as a Pendlebury/Cripps hybrid.
I thought Setterfield was pretty good early this season, when we started with almost a full house of players he was comfortably keeping his spot, it seems disingenuous to ignore that.
It's only once we lost a few to injuries that I think Setterfield, LoB and a few others started to wain in form, and I think that was as much about team balance as anything else. To many gaps to fill with players not suited to the roles they were being asked to play.
Durdin the sub? I thought he'd injured his shoulder?
Durdin the sub? I thought he'd injured his shoulder?
Yep, they listed him as managed, he hurt his shoulder, and now he is the Medical sub? :o
I gather we are carrying more injuries than the MC is letting on, in fairness this is more like the Carlton of old when who ran out on the day was often a mystery until the final moments! ;)
PS; Good day for us to be playing in Qld, 21° C and low humidity at 30%, almost Melbourne weather!
Remind Voss because he's the one that keeps dropping him. He obviously doesn't view him as a Pendlebury/Cripps hybrid.
He lost form it happens - doesn't mean he is not an above average young talent
Setterfield has natural weapons to play inside mid. His distribution by hand in close is elite he has above average peripheral vision in congested situations - he's always had that Pendelbury-like handball in close.
Omg pls. Hard to take you seriously.
As I said if he was on the trade trade would be for fortunate to get back a 4th rounder.
We are crying out for a winger and he is only now in the team due to injuries to Hewitt and kennedy.
The bloke hasn’t come on and isn’t going to get better and imo will be gone at years end.
The bloke hasn’t come on and isn’t going to get better and imo will be gone at years end.
Might well be true for Setterfield and others, I think fans are going to be shocked who goes and who stays, some favourites will bite the dust this trade period no doubt about that!
Ah Chee OFF
Robbo ON
He'll be fired up, which is far from ideal.
1 goal after about 50m of play.
Hopeless is the only word that comes to mind
Sounds like we might have just got into the contest.
My edit.
Only to hand it right back to the Lions
For all those with hope for improvement upon return from injury. I have sympathy.
Two things helped us in the final qtr... cocky BrisVegas took their foot off the pedal, and, we shook off the shackles and played, bold, offensive footy.
We kicked 8 gls in the final qtr, 4 gls to 3/4 time!
Too many passengers, the biggest being our 'safe' attitude for the first 3 qtrs. I hope we take a bold, offensive attitude into next week... we look our best (a la first 10 weeks of the season) when we're fiercely attacking... then dropping the tempo to defensive when the opponent has their moment.
This game was lost above the shoulders.
Weitering turned it over and after that we went into our shells and couldn't find a free player anywhere.
When the game got away from us we were able to release the shackles and get back to playing footy.