Sam Kerr has been charged with the racially aggravated harassment of a police officer and will go to trial in February 2025. What’s that about “justice delayed is justice denied”?
Of course, Sam is innocent until proven guilty and we shouldn’t anticipate the outcome of the trial. However, I suspect that we won’t see any more FIFA puff pieces about Sam’s ethnicity:
“[Sam’s] journey speaks volumes about the evolving landscape of football and the power of athletes to transcend borders, languages, and cultures. As she continues to excel on the pitch, she also strives to be a beacon of hope for young Indian girls who dare to dream beyond conventions.”
Of course, Sam is innocent until proven guilty and we shouldn’t anticipate the outcome of the trial. However, I suspect that we won’t see any more FIFA puff pieces about Sam’s ethnicity:
“[Sam’s] journey speaks volumes about the evolving landscape of football and the power of athletes to transcend borders, languages, and cultures. As she continues to excel on the pitch, she also strives to be a beacon of hope for young Indian girls who dare to dream beyond conventions.”
Indian, but didn't her brother make one of the Indigenous All Stars lists?
She identifies as indigenous and belongs to the indigenous community from where she comes from in WA (wrong)
Her dad is of anglo-indian background.(right)
Her mum has a filipino heritage.(right)
We should probably wait a bit to see what the allegations exactly are, and the ethnicity of the officer.
She identifies as indigenous.
Her dad is of anglo-indian background.
Her mum has a filipino heritage.
Sorry but what?
She isnt indigenous at all if there is anglo indian, and filipino heritage, without an Indigenous Australian heritage in there. What a crock.
I really don't care but it shocks me that the definition is so plastic, given the current social trends we should not be shocked, if gender definitions means so little race probably means even less.
You can understand how some profit so heavily from this debate, it's a gift of ambiguity not even politicians can match!
I think you'll find "Sam Kerr's ethnicity" is amongst this mornings "most googled". :D
A lawyer should recommend to Sam to identify as a xcat so they can claim animal cruelty by the constabulary.
btw., xcat is not mispelling, it is part of the new group of pronouns like xhim, xhey, xher, etc., etc.. Soon the pronoun volume will be thicker than the Oxford Dictionary!
I read a joke, at least I hope it's a joke, that they have programmed AI to dynamically invent a new identify the minute any other person claims the same, the routine is labelled "xunique!"
Indian, but didn't her brother make one of the Indigenous All Stars lists?
Not an official team LP. Bonehead Sheedy was proposing a bye round match between an Indigenous all-star team and "the rest" and he named Daniel Kerr as one of the Indigenous all-stars. Sheedy apologised when it was pointed out that Kerr had Indian heritage and Kerr laughed it off.
The Kerr family has always acknowledged and been proud of their Indian heritage. I'm not sure where Sam identifying as Indigenous is coming from, perhaps because the Matildas once posed with the Aboriginal flag. At the time. Kerr said, "We let the Indigenous girls [Kyah Simon and Lydia Williams] drive it."
There are quite a few bogus websites claiming that Kerr is Indigenous. For example, "Sam was born in the west coastal areas of Australia, where the majority of people are aboriginal. Sam Kerr belongs to Aboriginal Ethnicity so she is Indigenous."
There are quite a few bogus websites claiming that Kerr is Indigenous. For example, "Sam was born in the west coastal areas of Australia, where the majority of people are aboriginal. Sam Kerr belongs to Aboriginal Ethnicity so she is Indigenous."
It was really hard to get a definitive answer to any aboriginal heritage...that's probably a good reason to be a bit sceptical.
I suspect there may be efforts by folks on some websites to 'claim her'.
That really vague statement about....'she lives in an area that has a large indigenous community, so she's indigenous." appears on quite a few websites.
It was really hard to get a definitive answer to any aboriginal heritage...that's probably a good reason to be a bit sceptical.
I suspect there may be efforts by folks on some websites to 'claim her'.
That really vague statement about....'she lives in an area that has a large indigenous community, so she's indigenous." appears on quite a few websites.
Statements from Sam (and Daniel) are unequivocal; she’s not Indigenous but her grandmother is Indian.
The websites claiming that she is Indigenous seem to be not Australian, have limited knowledge of Australia and Indigenous Australians, and use strange logic and even stranger language.
We're at the stage now that you can identify as whatever you want.
She identifies as indigenous and belongs to the indigenous community from where she comes from in WA (wrong)
Her dad is of anglo-indian background.(right)
Her mum has a filipino heritage.(right)
We should probably wait a bit to see what the allegations exactly are, and the ethnicity of the officer.
You learn something every day, I thought I read many years ago that Daniel (hence Sam) was of Sri Lankan heritage.
My comment that “justice delayed is justice denied” is amplified by the fact that the incident took place in January 2023.
And it seems that Sam Kerr didn’t inform her club or Football Australia about the incident.
According to a soccer journalist who was on the wireless this morning, the HUN is calling for Sam to be sacked as Matildas’ captain. A predictable, sensationalist response from a grubby newspaper.
My comment that “justice delayed is justice denied” is amplified by the fact that the incident took place in January 2023.
And it seems that Sam Kerr didn’t inform her club or Football Australia about the incident.
According to a soccer journalist who was on the wireless this morning, the HUN is calling for Sam to be sacked as Matildas’ captain. A predictable, sensationalist response from a grubby newspaper.
If the above accusations were correct, would you want her as captain of your team ?
If the above accusations were correct, would you want her as captain of your team ?
Innocent unless proven guilty.
It seems that Sam's lawyers are doing what they can to have the charge dismissed.
She appeared in court via a video link and I believe that only one reporter made the link between the charge and Sam Kerr. That put paid to the "keep shtum until it goes away" approach, but it nearly worked.
Her future as Matildas' captain would depend on whether she's found guilty and what was actually said. Of course, a recent official investigation found that "The Metropolitan police is broken and rotten, suffering collapsing public trust and is guilty of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia." That's got to tilt the scales of justice Sam's way.
Situation, context, actions and words....we know very little other than a charge has been made.
Let it play out.
Then it can be pushed 'downstairs' to the court of public opinion. ;)
Innocent unless proven guilty.
That only applies if you like the person.
That only applies if you like the person.
As good as Sam is, for the game and for the country, reality is fame brings a lot of collected enemies.
WSL and FIFA friends face on, but a knife to the back, more knives than friends!
Add to that the anti-football, anti-sport types, general run of the mill racists, fame grabbers, fiscal opportunists, ambulance chasers, and other opportunistic extremists who will hate Sam for everything from being gay to flying in a jet. More enemies than friends is a certainty.
As good as Sam is, for the game and for the country, reality is fame brings a lot of collected enemies.
WSL and FIFA friends face on, but a knife to the back, more knives than friends!
Add to that the anti-football, anti-sport types, general run of the mill racists, fame grabbers, fiscal opportunists, ambulance chasers, and other opportunistic extremists who will hate Sam for everything from being gay to flying in a jet. More enemies than friends is a certainty.
I guess it might run in the family, the brother, as much as he was a champion footballer, he was a complete DH off the field.
I guess it might run in the family, the brother, as much as he was a champion footballer, he was a complete DH off the field.
Yes, I admired his football ability - I’ll never forget how he took down Fraser Gehrig in a tackle - but never warmed to him as a person.
I probably know less about his little blister but she seems to have avoided the d1ckhead genes.
And how much of this is down to her manager, publicist and lawyers?
Innocent unless proven guilty.
It seems that Sam's lawyers are doing what they can to have the charge dismissed.
She appeared in court via a video link and I believe that only one reporter made the link between the charge and Sam Kerr. That put paid to the "keep shtum until it goes away" approach, but it nearly worked.
Her future as Matildas' captain would depend on whether she's found guilty and what was actually said. Of course, a recent official investigation found that "The Metropolitan police is broken and rotten, suffering collapsing public trust and is guilty of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia." That's got to tilt the scales of justice Sam's way.
I’m interested in two points, if your captain is accused of racism, how does that affect her team mates, let alone the corporates ?
If her lawyers are trying to get it thrown out of court, she’s guilty…
She called the cop a white b..... lol.
She called the cop a white b..... lol.
I wonder if she’ll use the Lidia Thorpe defence, “I can’t be racist because I’m not white!”
🤔
I’m interested in two points, if your captain is accused of racism, how does that affect her team mates, let alone the corporates ?
If her lawyers are trying to get it thrown out of court, she’s guilty…
There’s a difference between racism and “racially aggravated harassment”. Without knowing exactly what was said and in what context, it’s hard to know how folk would respond. I suspect that Kerr probably has more people on her side than against her given the poor reputation of the Metropolitan Police.
Dismissal always involves a proven charge but I’m not sure that is what Kerr’s lawyers are doing. The case would have tried for it to be dismissed. A hearing before the trial may be seeking to have the charge withdrawn.
Imagine playing for a team where the captain doesn’t “appear” to have your back
She called the cop a white b..... lol.
Apparently it was "stupid white bastard".
I heard an ex-Met officer on the wireless this morning. He said that hardly a day went by without being called a white bastard and there was never any thought given to charging the perpetrators. Times have changed!
I wonder if she’ll use the Lidia Thorpe defence, “I can’t be racist because I’m not white!”
🤔
One of my constant beefs.
Racism depends on who is around you at the time.....and if you are in the minority or the majority.....which is BS.
I wonder if she’ll use the Lidia Thorpe defence, “I can’t be racist because I’m not white!”
🤔
Thorpe deliberately repeats that rubbish because she knows it garnishes support from the radical minority.
She knows about Hutu, Tutsi and Twa groups as well as anybody, and she knows about being called a half-blood by other indigenous people.
Thorpe deliberately repeats that rubbish because she knows it garnishes support form the radical minority.
No, she says it because she believes it.
The Sovereignty mob have a fair bit in common with the sovereign citizens mob 🙄
No, she says it because she believes it.
The Sovereignty mob have a fair bit in common with the sovereign citizens mob 🙄
What is happening to Kerr is what you get when the perception of offense is left to the offended. If White B@#4^% isn't racist, then surely Black C#@$ can't be racist either, the stupid are tripping over themselves to explain why that isn't the case and defend Kerr. The arguments defending her behaviour are ludicrous, as ludicrous as some of the arguments we now hear about gender.
I hate to write I told you so, but I warned this was coming, this is true human nature being exposed, it has never been and will never be about fairness, morality or equality. Offer humans a shortcut and they more often than not will take it even if they know everybody ends up paying a high price, it's why game theory exists and people fail the test over and over again.
Someone said something about having your cake .......
Kerr needs to admit to acting like a dickhead, apologise, and then move on. Sure, maybe the constabulary was acting like a dickhead too, but two dickheads do not make enlightenment.
If Kerr becomes self-righteous it will surely shoot her in the foot from a perspective of sponsorship. I get there may be an opportunity to still garner support from extreme ends of the spectrum, but the mainstream will drop her like a hot rock if they haven't already. Only lawyers will profit from becoming indignant. If you listen closely you can hear the gentle whispers from Kerr close "carer's", like her manager, publicist, marketers, "What about your brand, reputation, status, worth, profit", all code for "What about my wallet!"
Finally, if you think I'm off the mark, have a look at The Rage today publishing an article about GOATs in female sport. Who is missing from the graphic already, and do you think that is an accident?
(https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6743.0;attach=1467) (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/it-s-just-sport-top-female-athletes-on-pay-power-passion-and-goats-20240301-p5f95d.html)
Kerr is entitled to her day in court (or out of it, if they can get the charges dismissed.)
We’ll let that play out.
She’s denying the charge.
There seems to be a general feeling that it’s all a bit trivial.
It’s certainly not worth gaol time.
If proven, is it that big a deal?
In some respects it is, for Sam’s reputation and position.
If the captain of an AFL side went out, got drunk and called an indigenous arresting officer a "stupid ‘black’ bastard" would they still be the captain.
I’m pretty sure the answer would be ‘no’.
There would be a contrite apology and a ‘stepping down’.
These discussions are always a bit tricky because we all approach them with our own experiences and prejudices.
I like to think I had pretty good relationships with the indigenous kids I taught. Over the 40 years I was teaching in Juvenile Justice/ Welfare I taught hundreds, if not thousands. There were times when my classes were 100% indigenous.
But I’ve probably been called a white c**t more times than I’ve had hot breakfasts.
Was I offended?
Maybe the first couple of times I heard it, but as the years went on, I don’t recall it ever hitting much of a nerve for two reasons.
-I was in the position of power and control. (Contrast that with being the only black student in a class of white peers+ a white teacher.)
-I knew it came from a moment of anger. I’d probably refused what the kid saw as a reasonable request-(The student wanting to do Art first thing in the morning rather than Maths or English…I was a bit of a c**t in that respect)
While I may not have been offended, there was probably a feeling of ‘sadness’ when a student I may have considered I had a pretty good relationship with expressed this ‘point of black/white difference’.
Because that attitude, expressed in a moment of anger, was real.
There was a difference between us based on colour.
Kids aren’t born with these prejudices.
It mostly comes from entrenched family and friend influences, and then experiences growing up. And that applies for both black and white families.
Admittedly my students usually came from a more depressed and oppressed background than most, where poverty, domestic violence and problems with the law and authorities were features of their family background, so I can only talk from that perspective.
She vomitted in a cab, then abused a cop.
EOA. Racially or not, thats not on.
People will read the vomit word and assume "pissed n broke", but it might not be the case.
My understand the dispute started not because of the spew, but because of a refusal to pay the clean up fee, which is somewhat bizarre for somebody with a high public profile who is also making million$! Maybe extortion was involved, it's possible.
But I don't get why so many think abusing the law or other emergency services people is OK, I think that should be at least a fine.
In the meantime, the leftist media solely focus on the words, and completely ignore the hypocrisy of the action!
People will read the vomit word and assume "pissed n broke", but it might not be the case.
My understand the dispute started not because of the spew, but because of a refusal to pay the clean up fee, which is somewhat bizarre for somebody with a high public profile who is also making million$! Maybe extortion was involved, it's possible.
But I don't get why so many think abusing the law or other emergency services people is OK, I think that should be at least a fine.
In the meantime, the leftist media solely focus on the words, and completely ignore the hypocrisy of the action!
Lets put the spewing up in the cab to the side for a minute, these high profile people (whether they like it or not) should know better about how to conduct themselves in public given the higher level of scrutiny and "surveillance" they have on them. In the end, she chose to FAAFO. You found out Sam, now you pay (like like the rest of us would).
Lets put the spewing up in the cab to the side for a minute, these high profile people (whether they like it or not) should know better about how to conduct themselves in public given the higher level of scrutiny and "surveillance" they have on them. In the end, she chose to FAAFO. You found out Sam, now you pay (like like the rest of us would).
Agree....Just own it and pay for the cab cleanup, apologise personally to the Policeman, make a donation to the benevolent fund for old coppers doing it tough and get yourself some PR points in the process.
She will probably get a mild fine and a good behaviour bond for 12 months and all the negative media which will probably cost her more could have been avoided with some smarts from Ms Kerr and her management.
Finally, if you think I'm off the mark, have a look at The Rage today publishing an article about GOATs in female sport. Who is missing from the graphic already, and do you think that is an accident?
Not an accident but a product of timing and the writer’s objectives
Surely you know that the Age article was written well before the Kerr story broke?
All of the girls featured are members of elite teams but none are athletes of Kerr’s stature in terms of leadership roles and public recognition. That was one of the points of the article.
Surely you know that the Age article was written well before the Kerr story broke?
In matters like this the content is irrelevant, in the print we knew years ago that the public mostly just read headlines and graphics, even back in the 80s when I was there and it took hours to create a graphic we would pause stories the next edition to get it just right.
Nothing you see is an accident or coincidence, probably a dozen people have ticked off that graphic and headline before it was published, and now they can change it in seconds.