Plane leaves Kuala Lumpur for Beijing. Just vanishes from radar. No reason at all. Gone. If it crashed why can no debris be found. Nothing floating in the ocean. Nothing found on land. Why have the signals that normally get transmitted from the plane in emergencies, not be detected. If it was hijacked, how did it fall off the radar. How has not one person heard or seen anything to give people clues of where to look. How does a plane just vanish. Is this the "Burmuda Triangle" or what ? Its me, isn't it. 6 Australians missing so I expect our authorities to be asking questions and demanding some answers. Is this a cover up of some sorts or what. How can modern technology fails us ? :o
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-12/malaysian-military-denies-detecting-missing-plane/5314212
The lack of floating debris in relatively calm conditions is a real alarm bell. Probably half the interior of a modern plane is buoyant or made purposely to act as a pseudo flotation device. Seat cushions, seat backs, headrests as well as the life rafts, life vests and much of the luggage should float.
Not to mention the hollow core doors, bulkheads and various others devices.
I have heard a theory that the crew and passengers may have been unconscious from a very slow decompression or chemical/gas leak. If so could the autopilot have tried to land the craft on water in very calm conditions and virtually sunk mostly intact?
A repeat of Air Crash Investigations last night reviewed the crash of a Hellios airliner flying from Cyprus to Athens. Prior to the flight, cabin crew had reported that the door may have been defective and the engineers went on board to test it for leaks. They switched the compression switch from auto to manual so they could pressurise the cabin to see if any air escaped. They were happy with the test and passed it fit for flight. Unfortunately, the engineer failed to switch compression to auto on leaving the cockpit. This meant that the cabin wouldn't be pressurised at all until the pilots attended to it manually.
When the flight took off, this went unnoticed. Warning alarms went off, but that alarm could have indicated a pressurisation issue or an overheating issue. Unfortunately, the pilots focussed on the latter even though, unknownst to them, the oxygen masks had dropped down in the back of the plane. Soon, the pilots succumbed to hypoxia as the air becomes too thin above 10,000 feet for humans to obtain enough oxygen. Everyone save for one flight attendant was unconscious and the plane flew on to Athens on autopilot. The flight was supposed to last for only a bit over an hour but it was still flying in circles above Athens 3 hours after take off. The Air Force scrambled jet fighters to see what was going on, but the pilots couldn't see any movement. Finally, the flight attendant got into the pilot's seat to try to do something (and he happened to have a commercial pilots licence), but by the time this happened the jet ran out of fuel and crashed into a mountain killing everyone.
It's therefore not unprecedented for a passenger plane to fly with no one aboard being conscious. The thing about hypoxia is that it can leave the pilots confused and behaving as if they were quite drunk prior to them passing out, so some weird stuff could have happened prior to the end.
Come to think of it, I seem to recall a private jet carrying a prominent pro golfer did the same thing ages ago. It just kept flying with no one being conscious until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
Bit of rumour that relatives of one passenger rang his mobile and it rang out but when they tried again the phone had been switched off....could be one of a few reasons but
would get you thinking of possible sinister outcomes..
There is only one man who can sort this out :
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Bit of rumour that relatives of one passenger rang his mobile and it rang out but when they tried again the phone had been switched off....could be one of a few reasons but
would get you thinking of possible sinister outcomes..
The conspiracy theories continue to mount as the days go by. North Korea, Terrorists, Military technicians with agendas, Aliens!!
I pity the families of the innocent victims who must endure this horrific circumstance under a mischievous media and dubious investigative team.
It's now getting beyond a joke, even when the Air France plane went down they had to search an area 5 times as large and found it within a few days.
Probably a very logical reason for this tragedy, as Monsier MAV points out.
Interesting though that of all the conspiracy theories, no-one has supposed that the off course plane was shot down by the Chinese or North Korean military.
Considering it was two thirds Chinese on the plane I think you can rule out china.
Considering it was two thirds Chinese on the plane I think you can rule out china.
Not necessarily PI2C. How far was it from the disputed islands? Remember China recently demanded that all aircraft flying over that area had to get clearance.
Anyway, after careful consideration of the available facts, my money is on the alien abduction theory.
Considering it was two thirds Chinese on the plane I think you can rule out china.
You'll have trouble convincing the conspiracy theorists that they can rule out Americans from 911
Considering it was two thirds Chinese on the plane I think you can rule out china.
Ah, yes, the Chinese have such a committed humanitarian attitude to their citizens...
my money is on the alien abduction theory.
definitely aliens
A Kiwi oil rig worker claimed in an email to his employers that he spotted a high altitude aircraft in flames. After the report allegedly Vietnam sent a plane to investigate but found nothing.
"Gentlemen. I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines flight come down. The timing is right," he wrote.
"I tried to contact Malaysian and Vietnamese officials days ago. But I do not know if the message has been received.
"I am on the oil ring Songa-Mercur off the coast of Vung Tau.
"The surface location of the observation is Lat 08 22' 30.20" N Lat 108 42.22.26" E.
"I observed (the plane?) burning at high altitude at a compass bearing of 265* to 275*"
Mr McKay is working on the oil rig Songa Mercur off Vung Tau, on the south east coast of Vietnam. This would put the plane in the same general area where a Chinese satellite has spotted a suspected crash site.
No distress signal that surely would've come from a plane on fire.
Thats easy to explain Carrots.
Communication was lost with the plane suddenly and without incident. If the issue had to do with their ability to communicate, no signal would have been sent/received even if it was sent.
Until they check the black box, they wont know for sure whether or not the people operating the plane tried to send a signal. Contrary to popular belief, these sorts of systems are not bullet proof.
We have a higher expectation on things due to technological advancement but communications are as prone to something simple like interference as they ever have been, and due to saturation of new technologies and faster networks, they might be more prone to interference and less stable accordingly.
This ARTICLE (http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-warnings-on-boeing-safety-applied-to-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-20140313-hvi0y.html) posits that a known flaw - a crack around the satellite dish - might have resulted in both decompression and a loss of satellite communications.
My son is in the Air Force and I spoke with him today about this missing plane and whether him or any of his RAAF mates have a theory as to what has taken place.
All he said was based on all of the standard safety/warning/signal devices on planes these days coupled with the strict aviation protocols, something very "suss" has happened.
Planes just don't disappear like that these days.
Just revealed that the Chinese have allegedly sat on satellite photos of the likely wreck for 4 days before coming forward.
Chinese military firming as the culprints... but don't write off aliens just yet ;) :)
This whole affair could be just an unlucky coincidence, like a chance collision with a piece of meteorite or a drone aircraft!
If a commercial airliner collided with a drone you would never hear about it as the cause! There is way too much money invested in the technology.
Come to think of it, I seem to recall a private jet carrying a prominent pro golfer did the same thing ages ago. It just kept flying with no one being conscious until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
Payne Stewart.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94839
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
They will retrieve it as it's crucial to prevent any further disasters. The poor souls shall be remembered and buried or perhaps a cremation will suffice.
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
They will retrieve it as it's crucial to prevent any further disasters. The poor souls shall be remembered and buried or perhaps a cremation will suffice.
I guess it depends how deep the fuselage is located under water. That's assuming there's is anything left of it.
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
They will retrieve it as it's crucial to prevent any further disasters. The poor souls shall be remembered and buried or perhaps a cremation will suffice.
I guess it depends how deep the fuselage is located under water. That's assuming there's is anything left of it.
They found the Titanic 73 years after it was lost. I'd expect this will be found within the month, for perspective. ;)
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
They will retrieve it as it's crucial to prevent any further disasters. The poor souls shall be remembered and buried or perhaps a cremation will suffice.
I guess it depends how deep the fuselage is located under water. That's assuming there's is anything left of it.
They found the Titanic 73 years after it was lost. I'd expect this will be found within the month, for perspective. ;)
That's the very comparison I was referring to JK. If im not mistaken, Titanic was located in such deep water that the pressure required a special submarine chamber just to reach it. If the situation is similar, being able to get those poor souls out may not be a given?
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
They will retrieve it as it's crucial to prevent any further disasters. The poor souls shall be remembered and buried or perhaps a cremation will suffice.
I guess it depends how deep the fuselage is located under water. That's assuming there's is anything left of it.
They found the Titanic 73 years after it was lost. I'd expect this will be found within the month, for perspective. ;)
That's the very comparison I was referring to JK. If im not mistaken, Titanic was located in such deep water that the pressure required a special submarine chamber just to reach it. If the situation is similar, being able to get those poor souls out may not be a given?
I'd expect DU in such a widely publicised case as this, there would be many nations willing to use all their resources to retrieve the wreckage and help solve the mystery.
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
They will retrieve it as it's crucial to prevent any further disasters. The poor souls shall be remembered and buried or perhaps a cremation will suffice.
yep
I guess it depends how deep the fuselage is located under water. That's assuming there's is anything left of it.
They found the Titanic 73 years after it was lost. I'd expect this will be found within the month, for perspective. ;)
That's the very comparison I was referring to JK. If im not mistaken, Titanic was located in such deep water that the pressure required a special submarine chamber just to reach it. If the situation is similar, being able to get those poor souls out may not be a given?
I'd expect DU in such a widely publicised case as this, there would be many nations willing to use all their resources to retrieve the wreckage and help solve the mystery.
Once the mystery of what happened is solved, if its ends up being that it's somewhere deep in the ocean- not having disintegrated. The next challenge will be whether they can retrieve it, and what happens to the poor souls on board.
They will retrieve it as it's crucial to prevent any further disasters. The poor souls shall be remembered and buried or perhaps a cremation will suffice.
yep
I guess it depends how deep the fuselage is located under water. That's assuming there's is anything left of it.
They found the Titanic 73 years after it was lost. I'd expect this will be found within the month, for perspective. ;)
That's the very comparison I was referring to JK. If im not mistaken, Titanic was located in such deep water that the pressure required a special submarine chamber just to reach it. If the situation is similar, being able to get those poor souls out may not be a given?
I'd expect DU in such a widely publicised case as this, there would be many nations willing to use all their resources to retrieve the wreckage and help solve the mystery.
You've only quoted me DU!!
LOL ;)
They can only recover so much. For example there plenty of bodies under the water from Air France, when it's all said and done, the black boxes are what they really want.
Black Box and as much of the body of the plane as possible.
If you get a chance to see a plot of the typical air traffic in the region during the time the plane was supposed to be flying for four hours it almost impossible to imagine no other aircraft had it on radar.
At any one moment there are so many planes from the various countries on or over the Asian Peninsula that it must be like a swarm of bees missing a passing bird!
Geez, it looks like there's the possibility that this plane may have been taken and landed somewhere. This could turn out to be one of the more bizarre mysteries of our time.
They probably know where it is, they're not going to broadcast to the hijackers that they know where they are and that they're coming for them.
The easiest way they could have detected thelocation of the plane after it went missing was when a family member rang the phone of someone on the plane and it went through to message bank after it rang out...
Pretty sure phone companies and police can locate mobile phones by zoning in on approximate locations with the phone companies satellites.. An opportunity missed that is now probably too late..
The easiest way they could have detected thelocation of the plane after it went missing was when a family member rang the phone of someone on the plane and it went through to message bank after it rang out...
Pretty sure phone companies and police can locate mobile phones by zoning in on approximate locations with the phone companies satellites.. An opportunity missed that is now probably too late..
Actually that works via cell phone towers at ground level but not at altitude. At high altitude one of the problems, and the main reason why it has taken so long to get cell phones working on planes, is because at altitude each phone can connect to hundreds of cell phone towers. On the ground a phone only finds a handful at best and connects to the closest it finds, usually the first to respond. On the plane they find hundreds all equally slow which causes the link to jump around all over the place. So airlines had to install mini-cells in planes that create a local zone inside the cabin which is then re-broadcast via the planes satellite system.
The easiest way they could have detected thelocation of the plane after it went missing was when a family member rang the phone of someone on the plane and it went through to message bank after it rang out...
Pretty sure phone companies and police can locate mobile phones by zoning in on approximate locations with the phone companies satellites.. An opportunity missed that is now probably too late..
Actually that works via cell phone towers at ground level but not at altitude. At high altitude one of the problems, and the main reason why it has taken so long to get cell phones working on planes, is because at altitude each phone can connect to hundreds of cell phone towers. On the ground a phone only finds a handful at best and connects to the closest it finds, usually the first to respond. On the plane they find hundreds all equally slow which causes the link to jump around all over the place. So airlines had to install mini-cells in planes that create a local zone inside the cabin which is then re-broadcast via the planes satellite system.
Yes but if the plane had landed, like some reports had claimed at the time, then they'd have been able to tell. No?
Or perhaps said mobile phone was not actually on the plane...
That seems like one of the first things that the authorities would have checked surely.
Or perhaps said mobile phone was not actually on the plane...
That seems like one of the first things that the authorities would have checked surely.
Yeah but I think after families heard about it, a few of them did the same and had the same result.
Well well, is this linked in some way shape or form to the previous plane that went missing? I always had the suspicion that it may have been shot down, it's happened in the past, albeit quite sometime ago. My hart goes out to all on board and their families.
Very sad indeed. :'(
Apparently one of the passengers on the plane, posted a picture on Facebook of the plane before they took off saying "This is what the plane looks like, just in case it goes missing".
The plane didn't go missing though, just blown outta the sky.
Surely Malaysian Airlines would go under now. Who would want to fly with them?
Well well, is this linked in some way shape or form to the previous plane that went missing? I always had the suspicion that it may have been shot down, it's happened in the past, albeit quite sometime ago. My hart goes out to all on board and their families.
I think it was shot down by Russian Separatists via a Russia-supplied Buk surface to air missile. Apparently those guys had been shooting at Ukrainian planes in the last few days to stop them resupplying troops in the area. Just got the wrong target which incredibly was another MH flight. Tragedy.
Very sad indeed. :'(
Apparently one of the passengers on the plane, posted a picture on Facebook of the plane before they took off saying "This is what the plane looks like, just in case it goes missing".
The plane didn't go missing though, just blown outta the sky.
Surely Malaysian Airlines would go under now. Who would want to fly with them?
I read a few months ago the company is worth 10% of what it was worth 10 years ago or something ridiculous like that.
Cheap flight flying MA now,
Very sad indeed. :'(
Apparently one of the passengers on the plane, posted a picture on Facebook of the plane before they took off saying "This is what the plane looks like, just in case it goes missing".
The plane didn't go missing though, just blown outta the sky.
Surely Malaysian Airlines would go under now. Who would want to fly with them?
I read a few months ago the company is worth 10% of what it was worth 10 years ago or something ridiculous like that.
Quite sad really. it was regarded as one of the best options to fly O/S. Assuming that the cause of MH370 was beyond the reasonable foreseeability of company execs and the cause was a rogue pilot without a lapse in procedural care, then both the incidents appear to be outside of the companies control. I was supposed to attend a international Law Course in Germany this month and was going to book with them, just as well I couldn't go. I don't think my wife would ever want to fly with them in future. I understand they weren't the only airline flying over that airspace but I hope the practice of flying over war zones will be reviewed from this point on, unless you have a world wide ban on missiles that can reach certain altitudes (not a chance) then saving fuel due to shortened route is simply not worth the risk.
Disturbing if true, it appears another plane has dropped off radar without a trace
Air Algerie has lost contact with a passenger aircraft carrying about 120 people, nearly an hour after takeoff from Burkina Faso on Thursday bound for Algiers.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/contact-lost-with-algerian-jet-over-africa-20140724-zwls1.html#ixzz38ORu12b1
Not since 9/11 has the world been faced with something so confronting as the period from missing flight MH370, through the shooting down of flight MH 17 to now the disappearance of flight AH5017. 4 months of speculation over MH370 with no answers, the horror of MH17 is now compounded by the loss of AH5017. WTF is going on??
Apparently it has been confirmed as having crashed
AN Air Algerie flight that went missing en route from Burkina Faso to Algiers with 119 people on board has crashed in Mali, officials say.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/air-algerie-plane-crashes-in-mali-after-air-traffic-controllers-lost-contact/story-fnizu68q-1227000625288
Wierd, when I paste the link in browser it goes to article, but when I click on link from my ipad it goes to a map app and I presume to the area referred to in article. If any one experiences same problem on iphone or ipad just copy and paste link to article in your browser.
Apparently it has been confirmed as having crashed
From very sketchy sources it would appear.
There were few clear indications of what might have happened to the aircraft, or whether there were casualties, but Burkino Faso Transport Minister Jean Bertin Ouedrago said it asked to change route at 0138 GMT because of a storm in the area.
"I can confirm that it has crashed," the Algerian official told Reuters, declining to be identified or give any details about what had happened to the aircraft on its way north.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/contact-lost-with-algerian-jet-over-africa-20140724-zwls1.html#ixzz38PDB4jzc
Yep crashed, along with an aircraft in Thailand that crashlanded yesterday.
Wondering if all these are connected to the new customs rules about charged and functioning devices. Sounds like terrorists have found a way to turn batteries into bombs.