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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #90
I'm sorry I'm not buying what you're selling.  Elapsed form says the chances of us beating anybody are very slim.   To get to 11 wins we need to get 7 from 11.  I applaud your fanatical optimism,  but reality says that prediction is wildly optimistic and utterly unrealistic. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #91
Not sure how many he missed today, from 30 out
He was the one quoting finals, he is accountable for the entire administration and his mate Lloyd is accountable for the footy dept, he sacked the head of list management and gave his mates the job.
We lost to a undermanned WC team through lack of effort not through poor goal kicking....
The buck stops with Liddle and Lloyd this time...not the usual sacrificial lamb in the coach.



Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #92
I'm sorry I'm not buying what you're selling.  Elapsed form says the chances of us beating anybody are very slim.   To get to 11 wins we need to get 7 from 11.  I applaud your fanatical optimism,  but reality says that prediction is wildly optimistic and utterly unrealistic. 
Prediction is based on nothing but exposed form.
We lose to top 8 sides.
We beat sides outside the 8......but lose 1 we shouldn't.

That gets you to 11-11.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #93
Prediction is based on nothing but exposed form.
We lose to top 8 sides.
We beat sides outside the 8......but lose 1 we shouldn't.

That gets you to 11-11.
Saints have the biggest losing average but does anyone seriously think we could beat them given our form and their past record against us.
Apart from Nth I wouldnt rate us as favorites vs any team...

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #94
As dissatisfied as I was with that we could have won that with better conversion.

West Coast took their chances better, but we are a side void of confidence and fitness.

We carry 4 or 5 that don't look capable of playing 4 quarters each and every week.

Harry going down was a big issue and as much as I like de koning he isn't a 4 quarter player at this stage.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #95
He was the one quoting finals, he is accountable for the entire administration and his mate Lloyd is accountable for the footy dept, he sacked the head of list management and gave his mates the job.
We lost to a undermanned WC team through lack of effort not through poor goal kicking....
The buck stops with Liddle and Lloyd this time...not the usual sacrificial lamb in the coach.



agree

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #96
Saints have the biggest losing average but does anyone seriously think we could beat them given our form and their past record against us.
Apart from Nth I wouldnt rate us as favorites vs any team...

The one positive thing this season i can say is that we could beat anyone, even though we most likely won't.

Out of form and confidence.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #97
The one positive thing this season i can say is that we could beat anyone, even though we most likely won't.

Out of form and confidence.
I think we lack players in key areas, have too many of a certain type of player and not enough depth in other areas.
In short I think we need a list reset with an emphasis on the midfield, the Williams move was a failure trying to cheat with him as a mid and Martin is the same at this point in time as a part time mid and we need more specialist midfield support for Cripps and Walsh urgently.


Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #98
I think we lack players in key areas, have too many of a certain type of player and not enough depth in other areas.
In short I think we need a list reset with an emphasis on the midfield, the Williams move was a failure trying to cheat with him as a mid and Martin is the same at this point in time as a part time mid and we need more specialist midfield support for Cripps and Walsh urgently.



True enough. The game is won in the midfield. We haven't got close to putting a combination of reliable consistent mids together. At best it's been piecemeal. Not sure if the personnel will come from the current list, or arrive off season.

This group needs to have the balance of inside/outside attributes. They need to have the experience that enables them to know who/how/when to use their teammate. That takes time although can happen quite quickly with a consistent line up.

Due to injury, form, coaching decisions, underdevelopment, or favour, we've not seen that midfield play together. Think about the midfielders we have: Murph, Ed, Cripps, Setters, Samo, Fisher, Kennedy, Dow, LOB, Walsh, Stocker, Philp. Once we see this midfield get games together, I think we'll see more wins.

Dare to dream that this coming together coincides with some good health and form of the fwd/back lines 🤞
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #99
Prediction is based on nothing but exposed form.
We lose to top 8 sides.
We beat sides outside the 8......but lose 1 we shouldn't.

That gets you to 11-11.

We lost to Collingwood - Aren’t they 3rd last and also lost to a VFL version of west coast. Is that team they fielded today a top side?  Please.

How you think beating GWS away after the bye is any easier then our last 2 losses is beyond me.

Your correct our 4 wins were against bottom sides but all 4 we should have comfortably accounted for yet all except the dockers were underwhelming wins.
We lost to 4 top teams imo in Melbourne, bulldogs, port and tigers.
The other losses were to teams we should be beating imo if we had improved as we all expected but we failed all those challenges.

Hope your right about us storming home but it’s more wishful thinking then reading our formline so far.
A midfield consisting of Cripps who looks about as unfit as any midfielder I’ve ever seen, a 50 game star In Walsh and then a cooked tagger in Ed so good luck trying to compete with anyone with any confidence when thats your midfield. And remind me all the stars we have waiting on the injury front to help fill those massive holes.  We are miles off it.

Time to take off the blue glasses mate.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #100
We lost to Collingwood - Aren’t they 3rd last and also lost to a VFL version of west coast. Is that team they fielded today a top side?  Please.

How many times do i need to talk about your inability to comprehend English before you actually learn to read what i write?

Prediction is based on nothing but exposed form.
We lose to top 8 sides.
We beat sides outside the 8......but lose 1 we shouldn't.

That gets you to 11-11.
That was the collingwood game you speak of.

Keep up mate.

 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #101
We lost to Collingwood - Aren’t they 3rd last and also lost to a VFL version of west coast. Is that team they fielded today a top side?  Please.

How you think beating GWS away after the bye is any easier then our last 2 losses is beyond me.

Your correct our 4 wins were against bottom sides but all 4 we should have comfortably accounted for yet all except the dockers were underwhelming wins.
We lost to 4 top teams imo in Melbourne, bulldogs, port and tigers.
The other losses were to teams we should be beating imo if we had improved as we all expected but we failed all those challenges.

Hope your right about us storming home but it’s more wishful thinking then reading our formline so far.
A midfield consisting of Cripps who looks about as unfit as any midfielder I’ve ever seen, a 50 game star In Walsh and then a cooked tagger in Ed so good luck trying to compete with anyone with any confidence when thats your midfield. And remind me all the stars we have waiting on the injury front to help fill those massive holes.  We are miles off it.

Time to take off the blue glasses mate.
I tend to agree

There is no spark. There’s no hunger to play to the death. We start well but then when things don’t go our way - we kick too many behinds or the oppo get a run on, it almost seems like you can see them say this is too hard and then just play it out and mid speed.

It’s bloody annoying to watch.

We will not win most of our next games, in fact I think we’ll capitulate badly because there’s really now nothing left to play for.  Those on contracts are on good $ and not up for renewal and those that are up for renewal well we’re still waiting on. How many times have I heard over the last 6-8 weeks that Cripps is as good as a done deal. Where’s the Farging signed contract then? Where’s McKays? He’s leadinf the Coleman and we’re still farting around.

This team just craps me. I used to love footy and would watch most games every weekend, couldn’t get enough of it and other games mattered because they’d matter to our chances and our place on the ladder.  But since they bought in Malthouse And barring that final against Richmond, it’s just been misery. My partner and I rarely watch other games now, our interest has gone snd we know sure as anything that when our season is in our hands, We frigging do nothing about it. Again.

Spare me the stuff about injuries too and let’s be fair dinkum.

Cripps and Doch have gone backwards
Murph should be retired
Curnow is hanging on
Setters fail. O’Brien gone, Dow Probably also.
SPS seems gone

Walsh Harry weiters are literally our only shining lights, maybe Saad and TDK. That’s it. Oh and Eddie but he’s just about finished too in reality. How depressing.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #102
How many times do i need to talk about your inability to comprehend English before you actually learn to read what i write?
That was the collingwood game you speak of.

Keep up mate.

True to form you avoid answering, find a loophole in someones post that dares to question you and then when you have no comeback you get personal. I did try very hard not to reply to you but your week to week rolling BS know it all just got the better of me.

I won’t do it again. 🤐

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #103
@shawny ... nicely summed up

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #104
I tend to agree

There is no spark. There’s no hunger to play to the death. We start well but then when things don’t go our way - we kick too many behinds or the oppo get a run on, it almost seems like you can see them say this is too hard and then just play it out and mid speed.

It’s bloody annoying to watch.

We will not win most of our next games, in fact I think we’ll capitulate badly because there’s really now nothing left to play for.  Those on contracts are on good $ and not up for renewal and those that are up for renewal well we’re still waiting on. How many times have I heard over the last 6-8 weeks that Cripps is as good as a done deal. Where’s the Farging signed contract then? Where’s McKays? He’s leadinf the Coleman and we’re still farting around.

This team just craps me. I used to love footy and would watch most games every weekend, couldn’t get enough of it and other games mattered because they’d matter to our chances and our place on the ladder.  But since they bought in Malthouse And barring that final against Richmond, it’s just been misery. My partner and I rarely watch other games now, our interest has gone snd we know sure as anything that when our season is in our hands, We frigging do nothing about it. Again.

Spare me the stuff about injuries too and let’s be fair dinkum.

Cripps and Doch have gone backwards
Murph should be retired
Curnow is hanging on
Setters fail. O’Brien gone, Dow Probably also.
SPS seems gone

Walsh Harry weiters are literally our only shining lights, maybe Saad and TDK. That’s it. Oh and Eddie but he’s just about finished too in reality. How depressing.

Your last paragraph is bloody depressing but worse
its brutally honest. Apart from who you mentioned the rest have question marks over them and can’t be relied upon to take us where we thought the rebuild would.
 Htf after 6 years in a rebuild we only manage to add 1 real midfielder to the group we had 6 years ago is beyond comprehension. Whether we blame drafting stuff ups, lack of being able to develop, lack of getting any real ready made true bonifide mids in trade period I dunno. Still 1 midfielder in 6 years is a joke and imo the joint should be overhauled again from top to bottom
unless there is a clear explanation for that.