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Reply #225 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Media opinion seems to have Ross Lyon coaching Collingwood and Clarkson being the new coach at Carlton..
Lyons friendship with SOS ruling him out at Carlton. I watched Footy Class tonight and IMHO Lyon is ready to coach again.

Just watched that for the first time in my life and I concluded, maybe wrongly, that we are definitely chasing a big name coach, probably Clarkson, and that the Pies have belatedly joined the chase for him also. Note Eddie's spruiking of Collingwood to Lyon, but imo really aimed at Clarko.  Ross Lyon would be the consolation prize for them if they are the runner up, but maybe not for us. Just my own interpretation, no inside knowledge.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #226 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
Just watched that for the first time in my life and I concluded, maybe wrongly, that we are definitely chasing a big name coach, probably Clarkson, and that the Pies have belatedly joined the chase for him also. Note Eddie's spruiking of Collingwood to Lyon, but imo really aimed at Clarko.  Ross Lyon would be the consolation prize for them if they are the runner up, but maybe not for us. Just my own interpretation, no inside knowledge.
Cookie, EB and I also watched it and came to two different conclusions on Ross's desire to coach again. What was your read?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #227 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Cookie, EB and I also watched it and came to two different conclusions on Ross's desire to coach again. What was your read?

Not 100% sure GTC but his body language and the fact that he said that he would take calls from AFL clubs tip me towards thinking he would be interested in another coaching gig. As I said, not sure that he would be keen on us but you never know.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #228 –
It's all determined by the settings, we'll get back to you on that, but we listen to the science and follow the health advice.

This is your government recording. 8)

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Reply #229 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
LOL I just posted, I thought. the complete opposite EB
I also watched 360 on Kayo and Flubbo was very adamant that the SOS friendship ruled Lyon out of the Carlton job.
Lyon was very critical of some of our players, gamestyle etc vs WC but its all guess work and you may well be right.
One thing is for sure I reckon both Clarkson and Lyons phones will be taking calls from both clubs and I would be very nervous if I was David Teague  if its him vs Clarkson or Lyon I dont see it ending well for him.
Interesting how Lyon said he spoke to SOS today...

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Reply #230 –
If the President's statement is correct that, irrespective of the review's findings, Teague's job is safe until the end of 2022 then we need a statement within a matter of days from Sayers confirming it.  If not, we risk becoming part of the media circus currently devoting nearly all of its energies to the Collingwood coaching position.

Collingwood has made a clean break with Buckley and all attention is on finding a successor.

Until Teague's position is clarified we will draw further attention our way with questions being asked about whether he is likely to stay, and every match will be analysed to the nth degree about his suitability continuing as coach.

Those in the media who believe we need a change of coach will have us in a race with Collingwood for likely applicants.

Teague is under enough pressure and if media scrutiny  continues to query his tenure at Carlton I am sure it will subject him to additional pressure that he does not need right now and confuse our list; the morale of our players will drop even further  and there will be even less likelihood of winning matches - almost a self fulfilling prophesy.

Teague deserves certainty, so do the supporters, and the Board should make its true intentions about his employment known immediately



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Reply #231 –
I have similar reservations Macca, about the almost ex president “guaranteeing” Teagues job, when the new guy is running the review…
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #232 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
If the President's statement is correct that, irrespective of the review's findings, Teague's job is safe until the end of 2022 then we need a statement within a matter of days from Sayers confirming it.  If not, we risk becoming part of the media circus currently devoting nearly all of its energies to the Collingwood coaching position.

Collingwood has made a clean break with Buckley and all attention is on finding a successor.

Until Teague's position is clarified we will draw further attention our way with questions being asked about whether he is likely to stay, and every match will be analysed to the nth degree about his suitability continuing as coach.

Those in the media who believe we need a change of coach will have us in a race with Collingwood for likely applicants.

Teague is under enough pressure and if media scrutiny  continues to query his tenure at Carlton I am sure it will subject him to additional pressure that he does not need right now and confuse our list; the morale of our players will drop even further  and there will be even less likelihood of winning matches - almost a self fulfilling prophesy.

Teague deserves certainty, so do the supporters, and the Board should make its true intentions about his employment known immediately




MLG's comments were odd to say the least, how can the Football Dept be reviewed without the coach being subjected to it also is the question many are raising. I still go back to his appearance at the post WC match presser, he looked broken the poor bastard.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #233 –
Lyons no fool.

If he wants the job, he isnt going to come out and say it, because we might pay him more to try and entice him into it.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #234 –
Hm I watched it too and didn’t think Lyon was looking for a job.  He spoke well in that he said he would take the call out of respect snd of course it’s good for the ego to be chased but I didn’t feel he was really looking to coach again. And yes interesting his spoke to SOS that day… oh gosh maybe him taking the job would be dependent on SOS being reinstated snd round and round we go!

Poor DT good guy does not deserve this

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Reply #235 –
I watched FC, they showed the CEO, the Football Manager and the President saying Teague would be coaching Carlton next year, but this is not good enough. It is a bizarre sight when you have journalists complaining about people being unequivocal. It is also unreasonable for Sayers, who is heading the review, to comment on any potential outcome of the review. If you are going to pre-empt  a review, why have a review in the first place. Clarkson is contracted to the end of 2022 at Hawthorn so if you are looking at this change, then it is more likely to happen at the end of next season not this. I actually think Clarkson priority is to see off Kennett and I am not into Messiahs.
I think the real problem at Carlton is the lack of passion the players play with and haven't played with for twenty years now. Players pick and choose when they are going to go during matches, they pick and choose which quarters they are going to have a go during a match, and they have been picking and choosing which games they have been willing to have a go at. I think we have been better at turning up for games this year and we have been better throughout quarters this year, but not all players are going all the time. That is what needs to be fixed. If players have a red hot go all the time, we can then genuinely see how good the list and coaching is.

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Reply #236 –
Quote from: Micky0 on
Hm I watched it too and didn’t think Lyon was looking for a job.  He spoke well in that he said he would take the call out of respect snd of course it’s good for the ego to be chased but I didn’t feel he was really looking to coach again. And yes interesting his spoke to SOS that day… oh gosh maybe him taking the job would be dependent on SOS being reinstated snd round and round we go!

Poor DT good guy does not deserve this
I think Lyon is playing hard to get and being coy to jack up the offers, clubs will know its going to take big money to drag him out of his media work. He was smart enough to list where he has work at the minute last night and what he would have to give up which is telling any prospective club you need to pony up a lot of dough to get me.
He is loving the Carlton/Collingwood crisis...both him and Clarkson are leading the pack and both can sit back and auction themselves off. Pies need a big name coach and so do we.....I'd keep Teague but he looks broken and its rumored he has been offered money to resign and go quietly.
 

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Reply #237 –
Blue....tend to agree. I wonder if we've just had two nice blokes as recent coaches and that has in some way contributed to it? If the club backs Teague in then I'm fine with that but if they decide to go with someone else, then IMO it needs to be someone with a bit of a ruthless edge...which leans itself to the Clarkson or Lyon theory.

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Reply #238 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
Blue....tend to agree. I wonder if we've just had two nice blokes as recent coaches and that has in some way contributed to it? If the club backs Teague in then I'm fine with that but if they decide to go with someone else, then IMO it needs to be someone with a bit of a ruthless edge...which leans itself to the Clarkson or Lyon theory.

Got to come from the players that ruthless edge. It has to be peer pressure, players knowing if they don't do the right thing that another will jump on them for it. Leadership group needs to be harder on those types of players.

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Reply #239 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
Blue....tend to agree. I wonder if we've just had two nice blokes as recent coaches and that has in some way contributed to it? If the club backs Teague in then I'm fine with that but if they decide to go with someone else, then IMO it needs to be someone with a bit of a ruthless edge...which leans itself to the Clarkson or Lyon theory.

Then before that we had Malthouse, as ruthless as you get.