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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3090 –
Quote from: Professer E on
I hope the road tripper gets the book chucked at them. What an idiotic act.
Yet TBC, it's come out they were allegedly travelling under an official exemption because they were moving house to a new job in Qld.
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Reply #3092 –
Quote from: LP on
Yet TBC, it's come out they were allegedly travelling under an official exemption because they were moving house to a new job in Qld.
But which government issued the exemption? Surely a road trip thru NSW & Qld would have needed exemptions from both NSW & Qld govts to cross the borders as well as an exemption from Vic to leave the lockdown area ...

The suggestion in media reports was that the route taken seemed to be well chosen if the desire had been to avoid border checkpoints.

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Reply #3093 –
Quote from: Mav on
But which government issued the exemption? Surely a road trip thru NSW & Qld would have needed exemptions from both NSW & Qld govts to cross the borders as well as an exemption from Vic to leave the lockdown area ...

The suggestion in media reports was that the route taken seemed to be well chosen if the desire had been to avoid border checkpoints.
 Were the borders actually closed?
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Reply #3094 –
Quote from: LP on
Were the borders actually closed?
I thought I read they were.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
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Reply #3095 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
So its safe for over 50's to have the Astraz?...I thought only younger people were at risk.
Age makes no difference, the side effects from any of the available vaccines are applicable to all ages with an ever so slight increase in risk for women on prescription birth control.

The age things floated around are in general a political / bureaucratic decision.
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Reply #3096 –
Got my astra today, no side effects.  It was good to see so many people getting the jab in Hastings. The clinic I went to were doing 250 a day.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3097 –
Quote from: LP on
Age makes no difference, the side effects from any of the available vaccines are applicable to all ages with an ever so slight increase in risk for women on prescription birth control.

The age things floated around are in general a political / bureaucratic decision.
Why did they stop Astraz for u50's?

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Reply #3099 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Why did they stop Astraz for u50's?
They made that decision before they had all the data, based on the German 30s that suffered clots, the alleged link had been made between birth control and clots. Once Germany blinked, Europe and the UK followed, before they had the numbers. Now it looks like the data suggests that overall the vaccines reduce total clotting cases per million, however, there is no win in politics to sell that message.

In reality, it shouldn't even be males in this restriction, it should just be females on birth control and even then the link is tenuous, but I gather they fear that would appear sexist. The feminists would accuse men of hogging the vaccine!

In any case, the latest data coming through suggests they now have a good handle on diagnosis and as such treating this, it won't prevent 100% of cases just as the vaccine won't stop 100% of COVID-19, but it will further reduce the severe risks.

The risks are so so low @ElwoodBlues1‍, if we applied the same level of fear to football, nobody would ever take enough risk to score a goal! We'd all be nil all draw soccer fans instead of AFL, maybe there is something in that when you look at the regions that first initiated the restrictions? :o
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Reply #3100 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Politics, not science.
The politics of fear, humans are so so bad at understanding risk, but for millions of years that has probably served our ancestors well so it persists in evolution! Our "common sense" is hyper tuned for a false positive on risk!
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Reply #3102 –
I've got to wonder what are a real long term effects of this pandemic, for me beyond the tragedy of lives lost, I can see a shift in power and economics.

There is significant irony in the fact that during the pandemic that has economically destroyed so many lives, the wealthier have gotten even wealthier! That doesn't bode well for a peaceful society.

If I had the cash I'd be demonstrating my philanthropy now more than ever, or else I might well be strung up in the next few years when the real economic pain starts to hit the masses globally.

Historically, the states solution to this problem is war.

Somehow, I don't see Scotty from Marketing as our Winston! :o
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Reply #3103 –
Quote from: LP on
The politics of fear, humans are so so bad at understanding risk, but for millions of years that has probably served our ancestors well so it persists in evolution! Our "common sense" is hyper tuned for a false positive on risk!

Our lockdowns are the perfect example of misunderstanding risk.

The numbers game we look at is very one sided approach without equating it to risk.  From this recent lockdown we have 2 vaccinated people who are asymptomatic admitted from a aged care setting.  All the others are either mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic too with 0 hospital admission from the spread requiring care.

We just had 2 weeks of lockdown to stop the spread.

A basic risk analysis analysing the data of positive vs exposure sites vs outcome shows the lockdowns might be a bridge too far and there might be better ways to manage the pandemic without turning life off.

Those willing to sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither freedom nor safety.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #3104 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Our lockdowns are the perfect example of misunderstanding risk.

Those willing to sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither freedom nor safety.
Interesting, is the perception of risk to freedom and civil liberty proportional and rational?

If we had more people willing to be vaccinated, wear masks and follow simple restrictive measures would we need the lockdowns at all?

Instead we have civil disobedience, protests and victimisation of innocent traders. Protests that by the way do not just target Sars-CoV-2 vaccine, but all vaccines!

It reflects pretty poorly on our society, we do not live under Mussolini, yet the reactions to his sort of dictatorship seems to survive to this day.

Interesting, in the UK the Health Authorities suggested Lockdowns should be greatly limited, not because they didn't want to control the pandemic but because the UK's experience from war years is that civil compliance breaks down after a few weeks of restriction at best, and when that happens complacency sets in and the problem becomes bigger.
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