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Re: Review

Reply #345 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
How much damage did Diesel and Rhys do behind play to others and yet they are favourite sons. In any case, no point arguing over it, I wont change your mind(s) and you wont change mind. If the club were to poach him, which I doubt he'd move personally, only thing that you, EB, Capcom et al can do is stop supporting the Blues in protest I suppose.

Since you referenced me, I'm gonna leave this one alone GTC.  To history and judgement. 

From those who were there ... the inbred trademark of my hatred for anything Balme.

 

Re: Review

Reply #346 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
How much damage did Diesel and Rhys do behind play to others and yet they are favourite sons. In any case, no point arguing over it, I wont change your mind(s) and you wont change mind. If the club were to poach him, which I doubt he'd move personally, only thing that you, EB, Capcom et al can do is stop supporting the Blues in protest I suppose.
Diesel and Rhys  beat up on each other more often than not and on other similar types...ie Denham, Banks.....like for like types.
Balme was a coward, he attacked the ball playing gentleman that was Geoff Southby who never beat up on anyone but himself mentally...he never recovered from that attack and was never the same player. The low life Balme never even had the decency to apologize unlike Southby who had good things to say about Balmes contribution to the game.
There was a story that Percy Jones invited Balme to a lunch as a guest speaker at his pub I presume.....he invited Geoff Southby who I think politely declined, Percy also invited David McKay another victim of Balmes handy work and one of Southbys best mates....Swan declined as well but was reported as saying along the lines to Perc... I wont be coming but when you see Balme you can go and tell him to get fecked.

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Reply #347 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
How much damage did Diesel and Rhys do behind play to others and yet they are favourite sons. In any case, no point arguing over it, I wont change your mind(s) and you wont change mind. If the club were to poach him, which I doubt he'd move personally, only thing that you, EB, Capcom et al can do is stop supporting the Blues in protest I suppose.

Speaking for myself, your supposition is incorrect.  If the club were unfortunate enough to poach Balme I would accept the decision and continue supporting the club.

The cowardly and deliberate punch by Balme breaking Southby's jaw ensured that Southby was never the same player again.

Are you able to point to any action on field by Diesel or Rhys Jones that comes close?
 

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Reply #349 –
Guys Chillax abit, I am merely trying to point out that the club will not consult us supporters on the character of any of the candidates they may or may not appoint. I am not questioning any of your judgements or opinions. I hope that clarifies as I have much respect for the likes of EB, Capcom, Macca et al.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #350 –
Balme would never come to Carlton,  the perception he has always given is that he regards us akin to something you'd avoid stepping in on your front lawn.   Roos, another football "messiah", is the same.  And why would they,  considering the entrenched culture of mediocrity? 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #351 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Balme would never come to Carlton,  the perception he has always given is that he regards us akin to something you'd avoid stepping in on your front lawn.   Roos, another football "messiah", is the same.  And why would they,  considering the entrenched culture of mediocrity? 
Quite a powerful statement that, think about how many people (coaches, assistants, CEOs, Footy Managers etc) have come through the doors over a period of time and had a crack, yet still, we cant seem to be snapped out of this apparent "funk". Who or what is going to change it this time?
 
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Review

Reply #352 –
Sorry,  phone ate my post.

I think it underlines the fact that the club is close to rock bottom, culturally, and bringing in outsiders to "magically fix it" (I can't express this elegantly) is misguided.  I think we need to develop our own Balme or Roos or Clarkson internally, not hire somebody else because that's what we've always done.   My Amos it Teague is that person?
  And except for Barassi and Parkin, 50 years ago,  it's never worked.  So,  I reckon this review is basically a waste of time other than it allows us it reset our thinking and attitude, kind of a penny drops moment.

I think a lot of the answers have actually been expressed in this site in the previous week - the playing group itself can do a helluva lot to turn this around I reckon - as pointed out by kruddler I think,  develop a feral mindset for hunting the opposition to pressure,  tackle and harass.  There's your defensive pressure.   Play harder and not nice and friendly. That would have won us at least three more games this year.

Sure,  our coaching staff need to wise up as well,  but I don't think we're far away and it could turn around fast,  but it's going to take a massive shift in mindset and attitude for it to do so (= culture) .   Otherwise we are going to be doomed to mediocrity for ever.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #353 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Guys Chillax abit, I am merely trying to point out that the club will not consult us supporters on the character of any of the candidates they may or may not appoint. I am not questioning any of your judgements or opinions. I hope that clarifies as I have much respect for the likes of EB, Capcom, Macca et al.
All good GTC, Just the mention of Balmes name gets my Blood Pressure up. Seeing him successful with Richmond just makes it worse. I'm not into messiahs but if we have to have one I would go with Ross Lyon who has been at Carlton before and get someone like Choco Williams on board too.
A couple of weirdos might be what we need..
My preference is to continue with DT for stability but I think the pressure won't lift on him or the club unless he gets a 3 year extension and I don't see that happening.

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Reply #354 –
Agree completely @ElwoodBlues1 ... you're still a mate @Gointocarlton

You certainly didn't tread on my toes brother.  Just don't mention Mal Brown or nuts kicker Francis Bourke. :))

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Reply #355 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
I was at the ground the day Balme broke Southby's jaw - an absolute mongrel act. 

It made sure we lost the grand final.  Kevin Hall had to be moved from the half back flank to full back.  Carlton players forgot the ball and spent the game trying to even up with Balme.

For those who say we should forgive because, after all, it was a long time ago, I just say "You had to be there".
I was there as well. I find Balme very difficult to stomach.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #356 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
Are you able to point to any action on field by Diesel or Rhys Jones that comes close?
Hmm, perhaps when Diesel broke The Hyphen's jaw in the bottom of that pack!

Diesel could handball the footy with pin point precision over 30m through traffic and a mesh of opponents while being tackled and under duress, but from just an arm length away kneeling on stable ground besides an opponent he missed the footy completely and caught the jaw squarely!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #357 –
Not for one second questioning the appointment of Matthew Pavlich to this review "committee"......comes across as very intelligent and footy smart guy. But if he's not actually able to travel back and forwards from Perth to Melbourne for a lot of the process because of COVID restrictions, surely that makes things a little bit harder? I would've thought you'd need to be right there at the coal face, talking to players and everyone else? I know in this modern world of Zoom meetings etc it happens every day, but just wouldn't have thought it's ideal?

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Reply #358 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Guys Chillax abit, I am merely trying to point out that the club will not consult us supporters on the character of any of the candidates they may or may not appoint. I am not questioning any of your judgements or opinions. I hope that clarifies as I have much respect for the likes of EB, Capcom, Macca et al.

All good GTC

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Reply #359 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
He can become the next Pope or Dalai Lama but he can never make amends for what he did to Geoff Southby...

It's 50 years gone , Southby forgave him years ago and they get on ok. We were happy to take Diesel after what he did to Rhys-Jones and plenty are talking up Clarko for coach despite what he did to Ian Aikten.