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GWS must have got lucky with Taranto, Hopper, Perryman and Green then......I know Walsh is a standout player but there is just miles between Dow,LOB and the GWS kids for example.

Its interesting to compare Luke Davies Uniake and Paddy Dow...both were hot property in their draft year, both dominant at U18 level and both have struggled at senior level. Their stats in terms of disposals at senior level are about the same and their kicking isnt their strong point. LDU is marginally better placed than Dow in terms of the future IMO but is it just the case of two crap clubs unable to develop talent or did both clubs just get it wrong with their selections?

Some of our defenders don't want to defend, it's not even a case of intenstity.
We have too many chasing the easy kick or standing around guarding grass.
They are never near their opponent and give up easily when their opponent leads hard.
Jones and Weitering excepted even though Jones over commits at times.
Parks is a VFL defender, having him on anyone decent is a nightmare waiting to happen. Swans didn't want him with good reason...
The lack of physicality is alarming and has led to this bruise free brand we play.
Being out muscled by a soft bunch like GWS is about as bad as it gets when everyone knows they are a team that doesn't like it hard. Speaking of hard I saw SPS pull up in another contest in the VFL and Murphy was doing his best to avoid contact as well.
Every player we bring to the club now has to be one that enjoys contesting, is disciplined, a decent size and comes ready to play.
No more little kids or pretty players who want dance around the edges and leave everything to players like Walsh.

The last 3 weeks have really shone a light on where we are and there can be NO hiding from it - for the Board, the Exec, the Football Dept and the Players [especially the Leadership Group].

We were sitting 12th at 4 wins and 6 losses but coming off a win. About to play the teams sitting 6th, 7th and 8th at the time. All 3 of those teams had been inconsistent to date [like us]. Our season well and truly on the line and about to hit the road together. The club [and the whole rebuild] about to be face it's most serious examination. A few players coming back from injury so absolutely no excuses and no where to hide.

The total and abject failure of the Coaches and the Senior Players over the last 4 weeks has been staggering. I have watched it all up close live. The overall performance has been insipid and lacking in every department - no one should be above scrutiny such has been the scale of the capitulation. The problems are deep seated and wide spread, and we have effectively shown zero improvement or progress despite years or rebuilding. Our strategy and game plan [if we had one] has utterly failed and shown to be fraudulent at the first real test. Just like it had done in the 6 earlier games against decent football teams. It should shake the very foundations of the club, starting with the Board.

Analysing the  individual players is pointless as the problem is existential - what does the Club, and this playing group, stand for? At the moment this is not clear. Winning games of football, competitiveness, hunger for success, uncompromising effort, and having the respect of your opponents [both individually and collectively] for how hard you are to play SHOULD be our core Mission - but right now we have none of this as a collective. They look lost, they play without hunger or heart, and they look like they don't even care that they don't have any of those things. The Club and the Playing group have zero respect.

From the outside looking in it is impossible to know what the internal assessment is of where they are at, their acceptance of the problems and how they think that they will address it and try and turn it around. In professional sport when the pressure comes the Coach is always the first one in the cross hairs and this will be no different. He is ultimately responsible for the wins and losses and the overall effort and attitude of the team. Right now that is deplorable, and nothing Teague has said or done over the last 4 weeks gives me any hope that things will change next week or over the next 8 weeks. Some might think that harsh, and that we are going back to the poisoned well looking for a messiah, but keeping on doing the same thing and expecting a different result is madness.

Its interesting to compare Luke Davies Uniake and Paddy Dow...both were hot property in their draft year, both dominant at U18 level and both have struggled at senior level. Their stats in terms of disposals at senior level are about the same and their kicking isnt their strong point. LDU is marginally better placed than Dow in terms of the future IMO but is it just the case of two crap clubs unable to develop talent or did both clubs just get it wrong with their selections?

Those two plus Rainer were standouts in the under 18s. We didn't didn't take Dow he would've been snapped up at 4. We did a 5hit job at developing him.

That can be as much as sign of disbelief, it can be a laugh of "I can't believe they are serving that crap up!"

I was amazed at how little intensity we had in our game last night. After 2 weeks of scrutiny I (stupidly) thought they would have some sort of reaction and finally play with an AFL level intent.

Instead we got well beaten for disposals and tackles. With GWS players frequently able to stroll out of the middle. 

I would drop Newnes, Docherty and Jack Martin ( and 3 or 4 others).

Dropping the captain would send a signal..... finally. And his form is woeful.

Play Honey and Carroll at a minimum.

The team needs an electric shock.

If Dow went to GWS, today he'd be a dominant midfielder with other clubs trying to poach him.

I'll respectfully disagree,  his disposal is some of the worst I have seen at senior level by foot or hand...he did a left hand handpass vs GWS that resembled something along the lines of Paul Bower. It was unco, and fell short of its mark which was about 1-2m.
If we have to teach players remedial skills after 4 years on a senior list then we have real problems......if I could combine Dow and LOB then we might have a player but both lack what the other one has and for top ten picks thats a fail.
We will have to persist with Paddy because there is sweetFA in the VFL to replace him with that deserves a game....Carroll is promising but a lightweight kid, ditto Ramsay.
If I could I'd pick  Radovanovic  and  Crocker for next week I would.......maybe Levi, Honey as ins  and Carroll as the sub as to give him a taste rather than a full game and not have him knocked around.

If Dow went to GWS, today he'd be a dominant midfielder with other clubs trying to poach him.

If Dow went to GWS, today he'd be a dominant midfielder with other clubs trying to poach him.

Interesting to see Ross Lyon coming out and saying that Adam Cerra is the perfect fit for us and we should try to get him even if it means a package deal of SPS and/or Fisher.....maybe Ross submitting his coaching application in a roundabout way?