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Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #45
So wind back to last Thurs, in your mind, what mistakes were made at the selection table?
With an inkling of hindsight (which would've been available to the selection committee)....

Playing Martin. He clearly wasn't fit.
I made a comment in the in-game thread that he could barely walk at one stage (1st or 2nd qtr) and i thought he should be subbed out. For a bloke who is super fast, agile and smooth.....he looked like a miniture version of Levi. Not good enough. He shouldn't have been picked before the bye, and i figured he was fit enough when the picked him, he was not.

I wouldn't have picked Parks.....done nothing.

I would've played Murphy (for Martin).....as least Murphy can run.


All that being said.....i wasn't simply talking about that one game. We've played underdone players all year. Levi should've been dropped about 3 weeks before he was. Williams probably shouldn't have played a few games he did.
I think plenty of people have pointed this out in Thursdays teams over the year.
Ask me again on Thursday and i'll point out what i think is wrong with it.


Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #46
Parks is likely a reserve player, nothing more.

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #47
With an inkling of hindsight (which would've been available to the selection committee)....

Playing Martin. He clearly wasn't fit.
I made a comment in the in-game thread that he could barely walk at one stage (1st or 2nd qtr) and i thought he should be subbed out. For a bloke who is super fast, agile and smooth.....he looked like a miniture version of Levi. Not good enough. He shouldn't have been picked before the bye, and i figured he was fit enough when the picked him, he was not.

I wouldn't have picked Parks.....done nothing.

I would've played Murphy (for Martin).....as least Murphy can run.


All that being said.....i wasn't simply talking about that one game. We've played underdone players all year. Levi should've been dropped about 3 weeks before he was. Williams probably shouldn't have played a few games he did.
I think plenty of people have pointed this out in Thursdays teams over the year.
Ask me again on Thursday and i'll point out what i think is wrong with it.


So Murphy for Martin and ?? for Parks, whatvever. Would it have made a difference?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #48
So Murphy for Martin and ?? for Parks, whatvever. Would it have made a difference?

Parks was a dead set passenger.

Martin actually had a tough match up i thought and went with Whitfield a bit.  Still its hard to argue him over Murphy. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

 

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #49
So Murphy for Martin and ?? for Parks, whatvever. Would it have made a difference?

Again, i'm not just talking about 1 game. I'm talking all year.

Lets look at it this way. A few close losses against the top teams is 'acceptable'. Confidence levels don't take too much of a hit.
However, turn one of those close losses into a win, and suddenly confidence levels rise. Imagine if the 16 point loss to the dogs was a win. That kind of confidence boost can lead to potentially more wins.....etc

....and its not just personnel, but where they are played too. Murphy proved he is more effective in the middle than up forward.
I'm all for giving the kids a run through the middle, but when its crunch time. Put your best players in the middle.

If you are happy with the teams that are announced each week, i think you are in the minority.

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #50
Again, i'm not just talking about 1 game. I'm talking all year.

Lets look at it this way. A few close losses against the top teams is 'acceptable'. Confidence levels don't take too much of a hit.
However, turn one of those close losses into a win, and suddenly confidence levels rise. Imagine if the 16 point loss to the dogs was a win. That kind of confidence boost can lead to potentially more wins.....etc

....and its not just personnel, but where they are played too. Murphy proved he is more effective in the middle than up forward.
I'm all for giving the kids a run through the middle, but when its crunch time. Put your best players in the middle.

If you are happy with the teams that are announced each week, i think you are in the minority.
Not disagreeing with what you have said, I just personally think it would have made SFA difference who is selected. The way they are playing seems engrained in every one on the list. I guess the review will find out.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #51
Parks is likely a reserve player, nothing more.

Parks could be a decent player, if he gets reasonable development and learns how to play team defence.  I wouldn’t mind seeing him back in the 22 provided he can string together 8 or 9 good games in the reserves.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #52
Not disagreeing with what you have said, I just personally think it would have made SFA difference who is selected. The way they are playing seems engrained in every one on the list. I guess the review will find out.

It may not change L to W but the result would be closer if we selected 22 fit players in reasonable form and played them in the right positions 🤔
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #53
It may not change L to W but the result would be closer if we selected 22 fit players in reasonable form and played them in the right positions 🤔

That's quite enough of that DJC. Common sense will not be tolerated 😋
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #54
It may not change L to W but the result would be closer if we selected 22 fit players in reasonable form and played them in the right positions 🤔

But do we have 22 mentally fit players DJC?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #55
Parks is a VFL player and Martin on Whitfield was a dumb move given Whitfield runs all day. I would have played Cottrell on Whitfield as he has the pace and endurance and has done the job before.
Whitfield hates a hard tag and that isn't Martins game at all as he was recruited to be creative and provide some goals, not sit on a bloke who needs an endurance type of tagger.

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #56
Agree Rock, given how we're travelling, it doesnt really matter. Problems aren't at the selection table.

I reckon the selection table is a major source of our problems.  Pick the best 22 fit players, play them in the right positions and tweak the gameplan to suit the personnel.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #57
But do we have 22 mentally fit players DJC?

I suspect we do Cookie.  Confused and frustrated perhaps but most are probably pretty resilient 🤔
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #58
Parks is a VFL player and Martin on Whitfield was a dumb move given Whitfield runs all day. I would have played Cottrell on Whitfield as he has the pace and endurance and has done the job before.
Whitfield hates a hard tag and that isn't Martins game at all as he was recruited to be creative and provide some goals, not sit on a bloke who needs an endurance type of tagger.

More of the same from the MC.

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Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #59
Parks is a VFL player and Martin on Whitfield was a dumb move given Whitfield runs all day. I would have played Cottrell on Whitfield as he has the pace and endurance and has done the job before.
Whitfield hates a hard tag and that isn't Martins game at all as he was recruited to be creative and provide some goals, not sit on a bloke who needs an endurance type of tagger.

As much as I agree with this, Martin is a player that could play the Whitfield role, and it might have been a good learning opportunity for him to understand what it takes to break a game open.

He can do it, but based on what I heard on a podcast this morning, I think there is a lot our players are not owning which is likely more to do with why we are under performing as a unit.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson