Football Department Review

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Re: Review

Reply #525 – July 06, 2021, 12:04:03 pm

I hope the review panel and our coaching panel, give this a squiz.

So many truisms talked about that really are as relevant today as in 'their' day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU9kGJ7Y338

Re: Review

Reply #526 – July 06, 2021, 12:21:35 pm

I fail to see how you can conduct a proper review of this magnitude when one or more of the panel are doing their work through Zoom. I understand the reasons why, but they would have been better off waiting until lockdowns etc. were lifted and had everyone at HQ. It feels hobbled and compromised from the beginning. It's very difficult to get a feel for vibe, body language, mood etc. through video calls.

Re: Review

Reply #527 – July 06, 2021, 12:27:59 pm

Maybe we needed a reset moreso than review. Certainly post the bye the coaching and playing contingent seems to have some issues out.

Re: Review

Reply #528 – July 06, 2021, 12:31:53 pm

Quote from: PaulP on July 06, 2021, 12:21:35 pm

It feels hobbled and compromised from the beginning. It's very difficult to get a feel for vibe, body language, mood etc. through video calls.

Agreed, but I'll stick with my earlier assessment and assert the review is just preparing the public for decisions that have already been made behind the scenes by Sayers and allies, so in this regard I think how they conduct the review makes little difference.

Re: Review

Reply #529 – July 06, 2021, 02:06:21 pm

Sounds like bad luck for the Clarkson boosters, it seems he is staying until Mitchell succeeds him in 2023.

I realise quite a few of you predicted this, that Clarkson would see out his contract and then be done with AFL coaching. He has basically implied that to the media in press conferences for the last 12 months and they ignore him! It says more about how disingenuous the AFL media is than it does about Clarkson.

Re: Review

Reply #530 – July 06, 2021, 02:16:09 pm

Quote from: LP on July 06, 2021, 02:06:21 pm

Sounds like bad luck for the Clarkson boosters, it seems he is staying until Mitchell succeeds him in 2023.

I realise quite a few of you predicted this, that Clarkson would see out his contract and then be done with AFL coaching. He has basically implied that to the media in press conferences for the last 12 months and they ignore him! It says more about how disingenuous the AFL media is than it does about Clarkson.

All that tells me is the big wigs at our club will be thinking "Teaguey your safe for 2022" After that? I reckon they are thinking "Alistair? Come on down"

Re: Review

Reply #531 – July 06, 2021, 02:18:53 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 06, 2021, 02:16:09 pm

All that tells me is the big wigs at our club will be thinking "Teaguey your safe for 2022" After that? I reckon they are thinking "Alistair? Come on down"

I think by then if we haven't seen progress there will be little controversy.

But on the flipside, if we have seen progress and the club acts that way regardless through impatience, then the chance of it going wrong like the Malthouse appointment to replace Ratten is very very high!

Fans have to accept that risk and benefit works in both ways, Carlton fans should know this very well already!

Re: Review

Reply #532 – July 06, 2021, 02:23:52 pm

I guess we shouldn't automatically assume that Clarkson will leave Hawthorn. He may hang around as Director Of Coaching, mentor, Board member etc.

Re: Review

Reply #533 – July 06, 2021, 02:54:00 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 06, 2021, 02:16:09 pm

All that tells me is the big wigs at our club will be thinking "Teaguey your safe for 2022" After that? I reckon they are thinking "Alistair? Come on down"

So another Carlton funded retirement bonus, we must be the gift that keeps on giving!

Re: Review

Reply #534 – July 06, 2021, 03:40:31 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 06, 2021, 02:16:09 pm

All that tells me is the big wigs at our club will be thinking "Teaguey your safe for 2022" After that? I reckon they are thinking "Alistair? Come on down"

It would be ironic if Clarkson takes over the Blues in '22 - that was Ian Aitken's number..... some of us don't forget

Re: Review

Reply #535 – July 06, 2021, 03:49:37 pm

A good way to keep the media and other speculation pressure at bay is to announce it from 2023, when in fact...

Re: Review

Reply #536 – July 06, 2021, 04:02:19 pm

Quote from: PaulP on July 06, 2021, 12:21:35 pm

I fail to see how you can conduct a proper review of this magnitude when one or more of the panel are doing their work through Zoom. I understand the reasons why, but they would have been better off waiting until lockdowns etc. were lifted and had everyone at HQ. It feels hobbled and compromised from the beginning. It's very difficult to get a feel for vibe, body language, mood etc. through video calls.

It depends on what is being reviewed.

I hear all these criticisms of a review, but there are many ways to conduct a review.

I was hoping we would be focussing more on structure, roles, and reporting lines, than we would be focussing on people.

The focus on people is what got us where we are.

How does our coaching work?
Who sits on the MC to choose the team each week?
How do our structures measure up, are we deficient in any job role?
Is someone spread across too many roles, and do we need someone to give up some responsibility?

I would be happier if this review looked at how we do things, rather than who does them and I am comfortable if that process happens remotely because the football department should continue doing their job, and their position descriptions is all they really need to work on.

Once that has settled, then we can look at KPI's and who is meeting them. We have historically judged on wins and losses, and this smells more like process, structure and procedure which I am 100% in favour of. Either remotely or in person.

Re: Review

Reply #537 – July 06, 2021, 04:13:28 pm

Quote from: PaulP on July 06, 2021, 02:23:52 pm

I guess we shouldn't automatically assume that Clarkson will leave Hawthorn. He may hang around as Director Of Coaching, mentor, Board member etc.

They were discussing that on radio earlier, they were saying he is too much of a hands on guy to "oversee" which I agree with. Either way, he has got years of coaching left in him if he so desires, he would also be given opportunities to step into an admin type roll. Maybe to steer the good ship GC's footy dept?

Re: Review

Reply #538 – July 06, 2021, 04:20:23 pm

Quote from: Baggers on July 06, 2021, 12:04:03 pm

I hope the review panel and our coaching panel, give this a squiz.

So many truisms talked about that really are as relevant today as in 'their' day.

Was interesting to hear Kennedy state you can't coach today the way they could coach back then, because you can't go hard at the ball and hard at the man like you could back then. You can't speak like those legends, because "Go hard at the ball unless "X" is coming the other way" doesn't work, but that is the contradiction the AFL now lives!

Also liked the comment about getting a letter from a lawyer if a modern coach goes too hard at the kids, it's a change fans just do not get, and a major reason why guys like MM have become obsolete so quickly!

Re: Review

Reply #539 – July 06, 2021, 04:38:57 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 06, 2021, 04:13:28 pm

They were discussing that on radio earlier, they were saying he is too much of a hands on guy to "oversee" which I agree with. Either way, he has got years of coaching left in him if he so desires, he would also be given opportunities to step into an admin type roll. Maybe to steer the good ship GC's footy dept?

Interesting. You reckon we have room on the trophy wall for his stuffed and mounted head ? I'm not sure we have any available space, but his would be the biggest scalp of all.