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Re: Review

Reply #585
Even if that's true (not that I'd want to question the impeccable track record of BF) but it's still on Russell. It's his responsibility to manage the players fitness - and not allow anyone else to influence his decisions on what is best for the players.

And yes McGovern has been massively mismanaged since he got to the club. To anyone who's been paying the slightest bit of attention that is fairly obvious.

But Gov is just one example - of many but who cares about trying to argue the point. Carlton's injury list has been as bad as anyone in the league since Russell arrived - that's just fact. And we can't run out games. Right now the injury list is sitting at 15 which is as bad as anyone yet again! Not saying they're ALL Russells fault - but if he left and we appointed a hyperactive Cocker Spaniel to the position I doubt we'd have worse than 15 injuries at this point. So hardly a devastating blow if he left.

Don’t get those chickens and eggs all scrambled.

If someone is injured, they are not either not playing or playing under duress… do you think that might influence your perception of their ability to run out games ?
Most people to my mind would agree that your better players are usually also your fitter players, they also tend to be faster, stronger and have better endurance.
So if you have best 22 players who are injured it stands to reason that their replacements will often be (comparatively) possessing less of these attributes.

Continuity also plays a part, if Weiters, Walsh or Plowman miss a game or two they I’m confident could come straight back to senior footy, but guys who have been battling injury’s/suspensions are going to struggle imho. And on queue, Fisher is back in the seniors this week, to me, this is an issue and I’d expect Russell is saying, “Yeah, he’s no longer injured” and the MC are sticking them straight into the team…
Did I hear that the Vfl team has a bye this week ? Grrr.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Review

Reply #586
Can I offer a point of difference?

The review itself might simply be to try and get the Baggers faithful to buy back in.  One thing I have noticed, is the sentiment has flipped in those who were prior scathing of the Bolton sacking, and how they are now calling a witch hunt for Teague.  Likewise, the fans that were most vocal about removing Teague have now calmed down considering it a fait accompli that he has gone, when the reality is, it gives the club time to take a lot of emotion and oxygen out of the anti teague situation, particularly in the light of whats going on at Hawthorn.

Perhaps this was just shrewd business by the club and this will simply yield positive results.  Barker moving on now is something that needed to happen anyway, as its simply just time. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Review

Reply #587
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-carlton-footy-review-david-teague-contract-expert-panel-fox-footy-first-crack-sacked-analysis-adam-saad-loss-to-north-melbourne/news-story/c5392df20f383a567befcb3ef6cc78e6

I really wonder how much research goes into those Fox Footy shows. Our defensive improvement since the bye has been marked. We have one terrible quarter, and it's on like Donkey Kong.

Under Bolton, we had too much structure. Under Teague, we don't have any. Blah.

 

Re: Review

Reply #588
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-carlton-footy-review-david-teague-contract-expert-panel-fox-footy-first-crack-sacked-analysis-adam-saad-loss-to-north-melbourne/news-story/c5392df20f383a567befcb3ef6cc78e6

I really wonder how much research goes into those Fox Footy shows. Our defensive improvement since the bye has been marked. We have one terrible quarter, and it's on like Donkey Kong.

Under Bolton, we had too much structure. Under Teague, we don't have any. Blah.
It's easy for commentators to seem wise when they are using the retroscope.

But the third quarter on Saturday wasn't just bad from a scoring point of view.  It was out lowest point for at least three years, and it really did look like the players almost gave up.  6 measly tackles in one quarter is hardly the stuff of competitive football.

That's the big worry - that many on our list just don't care enough to want to improve.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Review

Reply #589
It's easy for commentators to seem wise when they are using the retroscope.

But the third quarter on Saturday wasn't just bad from a scoring point of view.  It was out lowest point for at least three years, and it really did look like the players almost gave up.  6 measly tackles in one quarter is hardly the stuff of competitive football.

That's the big worry - that many on our list just don't care enough to want to improve.

We can zero in on one bad quarter (and it absolutely was bad), or we can take a broader view and see improvement (admittedly from a low base) in defence and structures since the bye.  We need to factor in injuries, pressure from media, fans, the club itself (hey Review, I'm looking at you), which as Malthouse said, absolutely affects your ability to coach. I've never really been a fan of the idea that players are there for the pay check only, don't care etc. The most successful clubs over the last 20 years have good recruiting, good development, and most of all internal fortitude to create unity and stability and withstand nonsense and noise from outside.  With very few exceptions, they grow from within. Every current coach except Ratten is a first timer. Hardwick, Simpson, Clarkson, all of them have never coached anywhere else. They've been at the clubs for ages and weathered the nonsense.

Forget the pre season predictions. They were nonsense. The best way forward is to do what the successful clubs do. Be genuinely unified from Board to Boot Studder, provide support and resources as required, keep imports to the bare minimum, no coaching changes every 30 seconds, and erect a sh1t deflecting umbrella around the footy department and give it a chance to grow and evolve - not point a gun at its head every other month. Watch things improve.

Players are all like all of us - creatures of habit, and creatures of history. They feel the discomfort and angst of those above them, and it affects their play. It is very easy for the losses to mount and become habitual. It's a very hard habit to break. Any giving up IMO comes from despair, not from self entitlement or selfishness or lack of interest.

And the Board needs a complete clean out.

Re: Review

Reply #590
From the HS

AFL 2021: Blues life member accuses ‘power drunk’ Carlton board of deceptively changing constitution
Constitutional changes at Carlton have been described by a life member as sneaky and deceptive. And he says the club is systematically being taken away from fans.
Michael Warner
4 min read
July 30, 2021 - 9:10AM

One of Carlton’s top coterie figures says the club has been “hijacked” by a “power drunk board that has gotten completely out of control”.

Vince Loccisano, a Blues life member and long-time president of the powerful “Carltonians” coterie group, has accused the club of “cleverly and deceptively” introducing a series of constitutional changes that makes it harder for members to call an extraordinary general meeting.

Plans to increase the number of signatures needed to force a spill of the board from 100 to five per cent of eligible voting members are “hidden away” in a new constitution put to members this week that rightly recognises women and First Nations people, Loccisano says.
The changes — to be put to a vote at a special general meeting on August 17 — will also:

ALLOW incoming president Luke Sayers to serve longer in the top job,

WAIVE a requirement for a Blues director to have been a club member for at least two years before joining the board and,

REDUCE the annual rotation of club directors seeking re-election from three down to two.

“It’s arrogance and audacity on steroids,” Loccisano said.

“Members only have three weeks to digest, discuss, debate and ultimately vote on whether to pass a new constitution – and that’s grossly inadequate and inappropriate for such dramatic changes.

“While the vast majority of Carlton members have their attention firmly on the external review and David Teague’s future, in my view, this is a sneaky and shifty way of slipping these changes through.

“And the board is attempting this latest power grab at a time when the club has yet again grossly underperformed on the field.”

Loccisano is calling on the Carlton board to postpone the August 17 meeting or face the threat of an EGM.

“If the board fails to immediately postpone the meeting, I cannot rule out that a petition won’t be created to cause an EGM with a vote of no confidence in the board and spill of all board positions – and if this happens the board will only have itself to blame,” he said.

“And if the board forces me to go down the EGM route, I would encourage all Carlton members who feel they have the time, the skills, the passion and the motivation to be part of an alternative board to approach me directly.

“The Carlton board of directors in its entirety has overseen the worst on-field performance in our club’s history.

“It continues its trend of seeking one scapegoat after another for its failed strategies and poorly chosen appointments.

“It never applies the same standards or level of scrutiny or accountability to itself as it does on others that it employs beneath them.

“Until now, like all members, I have watched on and supported this board and previously supported them in their quest for success. I have listened to the empty promises and continual spin of its media department, with its carefully written emails and media releases. “But after yet again being promised the world and delivered an atlas, the Carlton members deserve to be treated with respect, not to be hoodwinked by a board that’s perfected the art of using smoke and mirrors to deceive the very people who it should be answerable to.”

Loccisano, 52, said Carlton members needed to “wake-up” before it was too late.

“This board talks a lot about putting members first, but their actions say otherwise,” he said.

“You may be a member, but in reality you are merely a customer. They just want your money, and that is pretty much it. That’s why I feel Carlton members should recognise that we have hit a fork in the road. We are at a crossroad that is so crucial to the future direction of our club and how it is governed.

“I say to the Carlton members, ‘your club is being systematically, and very cleverly, taken away from you’. And only when you want to do something about it in the future will you realise the implications of these changes.

“My conscience will not allow me to sit idly by and watch them make this almighty grab for power without doing something about it. I won’t sleep at night. I love my club too much.”

Carlton’s constitutional changes will also allow adult AFL members with a full club support package to vote in an election for the first time.

But Loccisano said it meant a bid to obtain five per cent of members’ signatures for an EGM had been made “exponentially harder”.

“If frivolous EGM’s were taking place every couple of years you could understand it, but the Carlton members have proven that they are above that,” he said.

“Every change that the board has brought in, including the establishment of an independent nominations committee a few years ago, is designed to enhance the protection racket.”

Outgoing Blues president Mark LoGiudice this week said he would be “flabbergasted” if the Carlton members did not support the proposed changes.

An external review into the club’s football operations involving ex-Collingwood football boss Geoff Walsh is close to completion.

Sayers and chief executive Cain Liddle are overseeing the review process.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Review

Reply #591
I don't really have a problem with the changes, they are primarily levelling the playing field and will offer the club better stability.

I think part of problem I have with the Loccisano critique is that it seems to look at them from the perspective of a long time male club member, when some of the changes are making it easier for us to quickly attract and offer top female talent opportunities to contest the board.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Review

Reply #592
The best we can do is look at the proposed changes and give them some consideration.
If you have a problem with any don't vote for them.
We complain often about not having a say.
This is one opportunity.

I don't mind attracting top-end talent, but I do like to see them come with some credentials or history in terms of supporting the club.
We don't want fly-by-nighters who flit in and flit out once their interest wanes.

Re: Review

Reply #593
I don't mind attracting top-end talent, but I do like to see them come with some credentials or history in terms of supporting the club.
We don't want fly-by-nighters who flit in and flit out once their interest wanes.
The problem here may be this is the new way, if we want to be professional hired guns are part of the process, the business and professional sporting world are now far too complex for all the very best solutions to be internally generated.

Nobody is claiming the board will be over-run with external forces, under these rules they would still be very much a minority.

I think fans are easily persuaded by the who of it, for example if our board come out tomorrow and announced they wanted Leigh Matthews to join most fans would be over the moon in support, but if it was Neil Balme the same fans would tear down the pavilion, despite both candidates having similar qualifications and achievements in football administration. The board needs to be colder in it's judgements than the fans.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Review

Reply #594
Interesting to see that Hawthorn and Clarko have agreed to part ways at the end of the season.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson


Re: Review

Reply #596
Interesting to see that Hawthorn and Clarko have agreed to part ways at the end of the season.

Not confirmed until we hear it from coach or club but....

It was never going to work and would have been an ongoing  distraction for Hawthorn and any club performing poorly through 2022.






Re: Review

Reply #597
Not confirmed until we hear it from coach or club but....

It was never going to work and would have been an ongoing  distraction for Hawthorn and any club performing poorly through 2022.






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"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Review

Reply #598
You'd have to wonder how Hawthorn has started to leak so badly.

At any rate, there's no way Teague could be coaching at his best right now. Swirling media speculation, injuries, the Review, Clarkson's sudden availability - his head must be a mess.

Re: Review

Reply #599
You'd have to wonder how Hawthorn has started to leak so badly.

At any rate, there's no way Teague could be coaching at his best right now. Swirling media speculation, injuries, the Review, Clarkson's sudden availability - his head must be a mess.
My worry is he's a good chance of coaching a spoon side that has underachieved. Might tell us something. We have been down this road before with gun coaches who were getting passed it.