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Reply #645
What the hell more does he need?  Millionaire many times over. Pr1ck

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Reply #646
My view is he wanted the money and had no intention of coaching but backed that knob Jeff Kennett into a corner saying he was staying put and Mitchell has been having a hissy fit at the thought so Kennett had to offer the payout.
He didnt seem to have any trouble accepting or having too many tears for those young players he was so passionate about either.
Clarko 1 vs Hawks nil...
Do we really think if he gets offers of 1.5 mill plus a year he is going to say No thanks ....this is his chance to secure his retirement
and then leave the game. IMHO he is burnt out and has other things, other places he wants to go but he needs the Willy Wonka Gold ticket to do it and there about 4 clubs looking for a messiah. This is his best chance to play them off against each other to up the money , we had the Review for a reason and timed it for a reason. Hope I am wrong because I like David Teague but I can feel Matho warming up the plane and having the caviar delivered fresh sooner than later..
We'll see how this plays out I guess. I just dont reckon Clarko is the mongrel people make him out to be in respect to his commitments to club and colleagues. Sure he wasn't going to walk away from a lucrative contract, who would? But I am sure he would have stayed if he had to.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Review

Reply #647
What the hell more does he need?  Millionaire many times over. Pr1ck

Just saying on fox footy that the agreed payout amount is 900k.

If hawks had to pay all that out this year, it would cost them AN ADDITIONAL 500k in soft cap tax!

Instead, they will pay it out over 2 years, and end up paying 75k tax in each of the next 2 years.
They are the first club to officially go over the soft cap.

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Reply #648
We'll see how this plays out I guess. I just dont reckon Clarko isn't the mongrel people make him out to be in respect to his commitments to club and colleagues. Sure he wasn't going to walk away from a lucrative contract, who would? But I am sure he would have stayed if he had to.

I tend to agree. Every time his contract has come up for renewal, the media circus cranks up the nonsense, and every time he stuck fat. He was already pretty well paid, but I'm sure other clubs would've offered more.

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Reply #649
Whatever money a club pays clarko to coach (next year) Hawthorn don't have to pay him.

So, there is an opportunity, for a club to get Clarko to coach their club next year, and pay him, literally, nothing.
Talking about it on fox footy and they used $1 as the figure.

Suggesting that you can pay Clarko $1 to coach (and he gets 900k from the hawks) and you use that extra 900k soft cap room, to beef up your department and get a leg up on everyone else.

Now, how would you do that....
Effectively 'front load' some assistant coach contracts, and hire someone else for the long term and his wages come from the money you've saved by front loading assistants.

IMO, the ability to increase you football department (for free) is a bigger coup than getting Clarko as coach.

If we do get clarko (i don't think we should), but i'd be more inclined to do so provided we don't have to pay him a cent in his first year.

Would he effectively work for free though? If we upped his $'s from 2023 he could.

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Reply #650
Whatever money a club pays clarko to coach (next year) Hawthorn don't have to pay him.

So, there is an opportunity, for a club to get Clarko to coach their club next year, and pay him, literally, nothing.
Talking about it on fox footy and they used $1 as the figure.

Suggesting that you can pay Clarko $1 to coach (and he gets 900k from the hawks) and you use that extra 900k soft cap room, to beef up your department and get a leg up on everyone else.

Now, how would you do that....
Effectively 'front load' some assistant coach contracts, and hire someone else for the long term and his wages come from the money you've saved by front loading assistants.

IMO, the ability to increase you football department (for free) is a bigger coup than getting Clarko as coach.

If we do get clarko (i don't think we should), but i'd be more inclined to do so provided we don't have to pay him a cent in his first year.

Would he effectively work for free though? If we upped his $'s from 2023 he could.

I think every dollar another club pays Clarko next year is a dollar the Hawks don't have to pay.

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Reply #651
I think every dollar another club pays Clarko next year is a dollar the Hawks don't have to pay.
Correct, I'd have a year off too if I was on full pay.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #652
I think every dollar another club pays Clarko next year is a dollar the Hawks don't have to pay.
Pretty sure i said that in the first line of the post you quoted.  :-\

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Reply #653
Pretty sure i said that in the first line of the post you quoted.  :-\

Yeah turns out you did. Then i got a bit lost and confused by the rest. I'm easily confused though.

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Reply #654
BREAKING, via Jon Anderson: "As Carlton continues a review into its football department, some findings can be revealed & don’t make for pretty reading for those in charge.
For those desperate to know how the Carlton review will go, buckle your seat belts & get ready for change.
Anderson: "Some of the findings are said to include a lack of player development, player “cliques” (with large, unjustified salaries an issue), culture deficiencies, poor behaviours, consistently long injury list & meddling from outside departments into football matters."
Anderson: "The 3-person panel will shortly table its report. Could it also include regrets from some parents that their sons were actually drafted by the club?
And do players have total faith in selection integrity? A term that first introduced during the Brendon Bolton years."
Anderson: "The other issue for Carlton over the next 2 years is an extremely tight salary cap that is going to have to find room for emerging superstar’s Sam Walsh new deal as he comes out of contract at the end of 2022. It might even mean Walsh is paid under market value."

 

Re: Review

Reply #655
BREAKING, via Jon Anderson: "As Carlton continues a review into its football department, some findings can be revealed & don’t make for pretty reading for those in charge.
For those desperate to know how the Carlton review will go, buckle your seat belts & get ready for change.
Anderson: "Some of the findings are said to include a lack of player development, player “cliques” (with large, unjustified salaries an issue), culture deficiencies, poor behaviours, consistently long injury list & meddling from outside departments into football matters."
Anderson: "The 3-person panel will shortly table its report. Could it also include regrets from some parents that their sons were actually drafted by the club?
And do players have total faith in selection integrity? A term that first introduced during the Brendon Bolton years."
Anderson: "The other issue for Carlton over the next 2 years is an extremely tight salary cap that is going to have to find room for emerging superstar’s Sam Walsh new deal as he comes out of contract at the end of 2022. It might even mean Walsh is paid under market value."
Cant see us risking under paying Walsh, rather lose a few other players than lose Walsh.
Brad Lloyd with a target on his back?
Player cliques?...that isnt good but a fact of life at footy clubs, Collingwood won a flag with conflicting player cliques.
Selection Integrity...we could have told the review that was an ongoing issue....unjustified salaries..really???
Luke Sayers is meant to be very friendly with Clarkson....I'd be concerned for Teague.

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Reply #656
Cant see us risking under paying Walsh, rather lose a few other players than lose Walsh.
Brad Lloyd with a target on his back?
Player cliques?...that isnt good but a fact of life at footy clubs, Collingwood won a flag with conflicting player cliques.
Selection Integrity...we could have told the review that was an ongoing issue....unjustified salaries..really???
Luke Sayers is meant to be very friendly with Clarkson....I'd be concerned for Teague.

Interesting what the full review comes up with. That's just a few minor snippets. Hopefully those unjustified salaries are all front ended.

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Reply #657
This'll be fun.

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Reply #658
The fact this has leaked suggests nothing has changed.

Seriously doubt we've TPP issues.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #659
BREAKING, via Jon Anderson: "As Carlton continues a review into its football department, some findings can be revealed & don’t make for pretty reading for those in charge.
For those desperate to know how the Carlton review will go, buckle your seat belts & get ready for change.
Anderson: "Some of the findings are said to include a lack of player development, player “cliques” (with large, unjustified salaries an issue), culture deficiencies, poor behaviours, consistently long injury list & meddling from outside departments into football matters."
Anderson: "The 3-person panel will shortly table its report. Could it also include regrets from some parents that their sons were actually drafted by the club?
And do players have total faith in selection integrity? A term that first introduced during the Brendon Bolton years."
Anderson: "The other issue for Carlton over the next 2 years is an extremely tight salary cap that is going to have to find room for emerging superstar’s Sam Walsh new deal as he comes out of contract at the end of 2022. It might even mean Walsh is paid under market value."

My first take from all of that....



Just on the last point...Walsh may even be paid 'unders'. Well if we pay him overs to stay we are doing something wrong. You ALWAYS pay unders to keep your own players. You pay overs to attract new talent.