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Reply #810 –
Lyon only if Clarko declines it imo.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #811 –
Rather than spending a bazillion dollars on a Lyon / Clarkson etc., then having bugger all money for good assistants, why not stick with Teague and surround him with decent lieutenants like the Rutten/Caracella/Giansiracusa combo ?

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Reply #812 –
While there is perhaps a bit of negativity surrounding Brad Lloyd with some fans, and scepticism regarding the appointment of Austin as a replacement for SOS, I can't say they have done much wrong. But have we seen much from them, they are basically criticised for being largely absent from the debate, have they had time to have an influence yet?

I thought Lloyd was better around the time of the Plowman MRP debacle, but I can't help but wonder if our Exec and Board are more focussed on the lost appeals fee than being outraged at the Plowman suspension. I'll bet you a penny to a pound that is the case! btw., A decision that has since been contradicted by the MRP and Tribunal more than once since the event, as a precedent it did not even last a month!

So I'd pose this question.

Given the board we have, and given that Liddle seems to run everything, how much of what 'they' do is a consequence of external interference. Do we get to judge them on merit, or is what we see or don't see a result of interference and constraints?

Should we expect anything to change under Sayers, or is it just more of the same?
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #813 –
I too have absolutely zero idea how good Lloyd is at his job, but I was impressed that he went in to bat for both Williams and Plowman and challenged the tribunal, we lost but he flew the flag.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #814 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Rather than spending a bazillion dollars on a Lyon / Clarkson etc., then having bugger all money for good assistants, why not stick with Teague and surround him with decent lieutenants like the Rutten/Caracella/Giansiracusa combo ?
It sounds like that ship has sailed, there will be new assistants, also a new head coach.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
 

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Reply #815 –
Quote from: LP on
While there is perhaps a bit of negativity surrounding Brad Lloyd with some fans, and scepticism regarding the appointment of Austin as a replacement for SOS, I can't say they have done much wrong. But have we seen much from them, they are basically criticised for being largely absent from the debate, have they had time to have an influence yet?

I thought Lloyd was better around the time of the Plowman MRP debacle, but I can't help but wonder if our Exec and Board are more focussed on the lost appeals fee than being outraged at the Plowman suspension. I'll bet you a penny to a pound that is the case! btw., A decision that has since been contradicted by the MRP and Tribunal more than once since the event, as a precedent it did not even last a month!

So I'd pose this question.

Given the board we have, and given that Liddle seems to run everything, how much of what 'they' do is a consequence of external interference. Do we get to judge them on merit, or is what we see or don't see a result of interference and constraints?

Should we expect anything to change under Sayers, or is it just more of the same?
Hard for us to comment on how good or bad someone is as we dont know the inner workings and only go by speculation and innuendo or whether the person is some we like. What we do know is:
- Our footy dept is being reviewed
- Many argue that it has underperformed
- Lloyd is the head of football
- Lloyd was seen meeting with Paul Licuria recently about the vacant List Managers role
Next week should be a fun week...not! Its awful as we are dealing with peoples livelihoods but every one who enters the footy caper knows that its a W-L business and your going to get fired one day irrespective of if you are 4 from 43 or have 4 premierships.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #816 –
GTC how long has Lloyd been in the job ?
12 months, 18 ?

Apart from having a tosser for a brother I’m not sure if he is/should be in the gun…?
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #817 –
Quote from: northernblue on
GTC how long has Lloyd been in the job ?
12 months, 18 ?

Apart from having a tosser for a brother I’m not sure if he is/should be in the gun…?
Again, I don't know if he is good or bad at the FM job. I personally don't like him because he is a Lloyd but thats silly and irrelevant. The fact that he was seen speaking to Licuria suggests to me he has probably been told he will be moved on from the FM position. By default, that would mean the Footy Dept has been evaluated as poor and him being the head of it means he has failed. Again, I have no idea whether he has not, I am trying to put the pieces together based on what we think we know. At the end of the day, I am sad that we are here again, I hope (again) they get it right this time.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #819 –
Quote from: LoveNavy on
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-19/afl-collingwood-carlton-ross-lyon-david-teague/100389292

Lyon also said he had rebuffed an approach from Collingwood about that club's head coaching vacancy

"Graham reached out to a friend to get my number ... I said respectfully I wouldn't entertain that for a variety of reasons," he said.

"Ultimately I think successful clubs … have got alignment of where they're at and where they're going, and if you see misalignment it's a red flag."
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Rossco, old son, you're losing it man. Carlton is the faction capital of the world.

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Reply #820 –
Yep. Nothing there suggests Ross knows anything about Carlton. Although that seems unlikely given his long association with SOS.
Go figure.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

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Reply #821 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Lyon also said he had rebuffed an approach from Collingwood about that club's head coaching vacancy

"Graham reached out to a friend to get my number ... I said respectfully I wouldn't entertain that for a variety of reasons," he said.

"Ultimately I think successful clubs … have got alignment of where they're at and where they're going, and if you see misalignment it's a red flag."
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Rossco, old son, you're losing it man. Carlton is the faction capital of the world.
Ross has been at the club. He knows how it runs. Maybe he already has his factions sorted?

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Reply #822 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Ross has been at the club. He knows how it runs. Maybe he already has his factions sorted?

The club recently sacked one of his allies, and a close one at that.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #823 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Ross has been at the club. He knows how it runs. Maybe he already has his factions sorted?

Maybe if this eventuates, he's thinking of starting a new faction😉
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.