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Reply #931 –
If Teague was staying, Betts would be playing in '22.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #932 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Both the Geelong and Richmond reviews were initiated 6 years after Thompson and Hardwick took charge, not after 2 1/2 disrupted seasons. The Geelong review was initiated in August 2006 (near the end of the season) and included everybody :

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2006-08-17/geelong-announce-internal-review/1240604

It will look into administration, coaching, fitness, medical and sport science, list management, player leadership, recruiting and welfare and development.

That's how you do a review.

I understand the pro review crowd will extol the virtues of being proactive, getting on the front foot, nipping problems in the bud etc., but there is a fine line between proactive and knee jerk, and I'm not convinced our club understands the difference.





Brace yourself for a cliche, Pauly. Ready? The proof of the pudding will be in the eating! Phew, glad that's out of the way.

I recall something my late father said to me many decades ago. By the way, I still think of him every day and even chat to him... and how's this for nuts - I carry the urn that held his ashes in the car, someone to chat to whilst driving. Sorry, back to the story.

My father was probably one of the most highly regarded landscape architects/gardeners in Melbourne. A creative genius. As a parent? Well, not his shtick. The gardens he designed and built were major projects for very wealthy people. Not unusual to take a year or more such was the construction. He once got a massive rock flown in from Europe to achieve the effect he wanted - and the client had the loot to accommodate such a requirement. Anyway, as the construction commenced there would be wholesale mess and absolutely no-one could truly envisage the outcome. There may have been a plan, but that's pale next to the, say 800 square metres, of 3 dimensional reality. But he knew what he was doing, what he wanted. One day I commented on the mess of rocks, backhoes, tip truck deliveries, piles of rio and bags of cement and crushed granite and sand and lime and mud and diggers... you get the picture. Neighbours complained that the garden was already really good and didn't need changing. Anyway, after my comment and the comments from neighbours, he said to me one day, "Fools and children should never see things half done."

In no way am I using this story to accuse anyone of foolishness. I took these words as a guidance for me, personally. To respect that processes can be messy and counter-intuitive in respect to envisaged outcome. And I apply those insights in my own work... the folks I work with can seem 'messy' to begin with and sometimes not apparently so but they're still seeking guidance, and the process I take them through can create more mess and even more discomfort, but I trust the process, carried out with trusted tools and a clear vision of the desired outcome. Back to my father - without exception, despite the chaos and mess along the way, my father's garden's would have neighbours and others like me, in awe. Complete transformation and success. So much so his gardens were often featured in magazines and other media, nationally, even internationally.

So, as I watch our club's review process, I choose to trust it, understanding that initial mess sometimes goes with the territory and just cannot be avoided - much to the chagrin of some. And somehow in amongst the mess of the past few years we've managed to erase debt and assemble a pretty darn good list. Now to just get through this final messiness and see what results.

I understand there are, to anticipate a counter argument to what I've just written, plenty of landscape architects who've created mess and ended up with a disappointing result. There are people who work in the same field as me who do untold damage to people. Don't worry, I've met plenty of psychiatrists, psychologists, counsellors, social workers etc., who I wouldn't trust to boil an egg, let alone be let loose on the general public. Conversely, there are absolute saints working in these areas who achieve wonderful, even spectacular results (healing), even after many months of difficulty. My father had to at times clean up the mess created by others, as I've also, all too often, had to do the same in my chosen field.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Soon enough we'll know how effective our new chef, Mr Sayers, is.

(Apologies for the shaggy dog story).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #933 –
Our last 20 years!

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Reply #934 –
Baggers, I appreciate the story you're telling, and I appreciate the logic you're following. But I don't think your father's story and the club's stories are comparable. I understand your default position to give people, processes the BOD. But when there are two opposing or competing parties that require the BOD, we have to make a choice. You are choosing to give Sayers the BOD, I'm choosing to give it to Teague. Sayers has been there for 10 years, as part of a group that gives the impression they don't know how set culture and run a football club. Teague has been there for 50 games, battling covid, injuries, media sh1tstorm etc., with a W/L hovering around 40-45%. It's no contest IMO.

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Reply #936 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
If Teague was staying, Betts would be playing in '22.

That's the first thing that crossed my mind when i heard Betts wasn't offered a new contract.

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Reply #937 –
Talk of chefs at CFC makes me nervous. Remember “can you smell what the Blues are cookin’?” and how that particular dish turned out?
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #938 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Baggers, I appreciate the story you're telling, and I appreciate the logic you're following. But I don't think your father's story and the club's stories are comparable. I understand your default position to give people, processes the BOD. But when there are two opposing or competing parties that require the BOD, we have to make a choice. You are choosing to give Sayers the BOD, I'm choosing to give it to Teague. Sayers has been there for 10 years, as part of a group that gives the impression they don't know how set culture and run a football club. Teague has been there for 50 games, battling covid, injuries, media sh1tstorm etc., with a W/L hovering around 40-45%. It's no contest IMO.

Absolutely understand your reasoning - and respect it. Maybe we're both right, or wrong.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #939 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
Talk of chefs at CFC makes me nervous. Remember “can you smell what the Blues are cookin’?” and how that particular dish turned out?

 :))  :))  :))  I did think that as I wrote it...  :))  :))

How did that turn out...??? Gordon Ramsay discussing 'what we had cookin' with the administration at the time -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR4F6wgnZ7E
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #940 –
Quote from: Baggers on
:))  :))  :))  I did think that as I wrote it...  :))  :))

How did that turn out...??? Gordon Ramsay discussing 'what we had cookin' with the administration at the time -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR4F6wgnZ7E

Sorry Baggers, I don’t think I’ll ever forget that cringe worthy slogan we had back then.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #941 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
If Teague was staying, Betts would be playing in '22.

I did find it curious that Edwardo, when interviewed the other day after announcing his retirement and asked what he was doing next, talked of a number of wonderful ventures... but none involved us/assistant coaching.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #942 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I did find it curious that Edwardo, when interviewed the other day after announcing his retirement and asked what he was doing next, talked of a number of wonderful ventures... but none involved us/assistant coaching.

He said something about mentoring indigenous boys but was not specific.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #943 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
Sorry Baggers, I don’t think I’ll ever forget that cringe worthy slogan we had back then.

Likewise... and that, to use your word, cringe-worthy image of a cauldron bubbling away with the images of other clubs in the stew. To quote Effy, "How embarrassment.' Not to mention rank amateur stuff that served only to humiliate our club. To extend on the food metaphor - rancid stuff.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #944 –
Quote from: kruddler on
That's the first thing that crossed my mind when i heard Betts wasn't offered a new contract.
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2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time