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Reply #975 –
The review and speculation has weighed everyone down. See by the way we have played 3 of our last 4 weeks. Got to players, supporters, coach. If we had rolled North and GC there was a reasonable chance we'd be playing a elimination type "final" today.

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Reply #976 –
But we didn't

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Reply #977 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Agree...even with the Pies in a mess on and off the field they did that well and Buckley is a real pro in terms of the media and how he handle the speculation and end result.
Ours has been a slow torture of the coach and a side show for 12 months......no one is ever on the same page at our club, the politics overrides any proper planning and we cant even terminate people properly.

Reflects the arrogance and entitlement of the privileged and out of touch people that dominate our club.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #978 –
We've upgraded some things with Lyon. We had 19 straight kicked against us last week, now we get someone who has 23 straight kicked against him in 2018. Who's 12 of his 17 10 goal losses came in his last 3 years. Will be right at home here....lol.
 

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Reply #980 –
Quote from: laj on
We've upgraded some things with Lyon. We had 19 straight kicked against us last week, now we get someone who has 23 straight kicked against him in 2018. Who's 12 of his 17 10 goal losses came in his last 3 years. Will be right at home here....lol.

That’s the dirty secret no one is talking about with Lyon. He did cop a few hidings in his later years.  Even read some articles talking about how you don’t get thrashed under Ross...... ummmm

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Reply #981 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 on
That’s the dirty secret no one is talking about with Lyon. He did cop a few hidings in his later years.  Even read some articles talking about how you don’t get thrashed under Ross...... ummmm

Unfortunately, I think we head down the same path in a few years. Year 1 might be a honeymoon period, which could take us close, then fall away badly from there, like it did with Malthouse. Until last few week we never got trashed under Teague either.

This is one time I keep the coach and put top people around him and streamline the coach's position. Like they did at Melbourne last year, Like they did at Colling wood in 2017, Richmond in 2016 and Geelong in 2006. Each one of those worked very well. Carlton would never do that though. Teague has no little support, little help and coaching, as the players have playing, with a sword hanging over their head for half a year, then we wonder why it has fallen apart the last 4 weeks. It's why we have been a failure of a club for 20 years. Like his contract only has one more year so worth trying that. If it still doesn't work then so be it.

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Reply #982 –
If we don’t fix the ingrained problems at the club it won’t ultimately matter who is the coach, we will still ultimately fail and that coach will be gone, pockets jingling.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #983 –
I still think that speculating on what the independent review might or might not contain is premature. At present too many of us are only seeing things based on our own biases and opinions (moi included).

The independent review may very contain the sweeping changes we know we need to prevent the horrors of the past and their repetition.

There has been way too much focus on The TT, by many, including the media. This review is addressing the entire footy department and its decision making processes... or lack thereof.

Conversely, conversation on how little relying on say a Clarkson or Lyon can achieve is pointless. Each of those cats would bring a team of superior assistants with them... along with, if the review recommends, a far better and more experienced head of footy and footy dept rep on the Board.

The coming week or so will give us far more relevant information to comment on... as changes (presumably) are announced and instituted.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #984 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
If we don’t fix the ingrained problems at the club it won’t ultimately matter who is the coach, we will still ultimately fail and that coach will be gone, pockets jingling.

100% right there. Will make no difference whatsoever.

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Reply #985 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
If we don’t fix the ingrained problems at the club it won’t ultimately matter who is the coach, we will still ultimately fail and that coach will be gone, pockets jingling.
Hmmm, not many said that when the previous three coaches were getting in the neck.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #986 –
Quote from: laj on
100% right there. Will make no difference whatsoever.

Prepared to bet your home on that? If you're 100% convinced that the review will make absolutely no difference... then bet your hard earned on it.  ;)  ;D
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #987 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
If we don’t fix the ingrained problems at the club it won’t ultimately matter who is the coach, we will still ultimately fail and that coach will be gone, pockets jingling.
Yes, we have become more famous as a pension fund than a football club, the fat jowlers are lining up for their turn at the trough!

The Force Awakens!

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Reply #988 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Prepared to bet your home on that? If you're 100% convinced that the review will make absolutely no difference... then bet your hard earned on it.  ;)  ;D

Um, I was replying to changing the coach. Not the poorly timed review.

If the rotten culture and utter lack of motivation of the players isn't fixed it will do nothing. What have you learnt from 6 coaching changes? Nothing?

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Reply #989 –
Quote from: laj on
What have you learnt from 6 coaching changes? Nothing?

That major change is needed. Hopefully this is what the review delivers. Still a moving beast.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17