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Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1005
Hypothetical, tonight after the game win, lose or draw, the board resigns en masse and are replaced by me, LP, Baggers, Pauly, laj, Krudd, Micky0, Proff, Fly, Thry and Cap (forget the numbers for a minute), what's our first job tomorrow morning?
Go.
Make the Pies free at all home games......

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1006
Ring the Pratts and Mathiesons and Elliotts and other equivalents and tell them that their days of meddling and causing factions and instability are over.

Well that board didn't last long. ;D  ;)

Here's the issue (and for a lot of us it's a key ongoing one)
The board don't tell the influencers and meddlers what to do...it's the other way around.

It's easy to say "get rid of the wealthy supporters and families who have controlled and influenced our club for years"
It's much more difficult to act on that wish.
How do you do that?
Is there a willingness in enough numbers to make it happen.?
I'm afraid I can't see it.

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1007
Well that board didn't last long. ;D  ;)

Here's the issue (and for a lot of us it's a key ongoing one)
The board don't tell the influencers and meddlers what to do...it's the other way around.

It's easy to say "get rid of the wealthy supporters and families who have controlled and influenced our club for years"
It's much more difficult to act on that wish.
How do you do that?
Is there a willingness in enough numbers to make it happen.?
I'm afraid I can't see it.

I appreciate all that Lods. But it's a hypothetical posed by GTC, which usually ends up as a wish list more than anything. The amount of effort, networking, support, manoeuvring etc. that would be required to get rid of those types would be significant. You would then spend the rest of your time on guard because those types will surely not take such an ousting lying down. But IMO, there's little point in fixing the footy department if those external power brokers are still calling the shots, and can make or break careers, derail seasons etc., on what appears to me to be a mere whim.

Malthouse told the story that within seconds of getting the Carlton gig, the Mermaid Beach Mathieson called him to offer congratulations. Towards the end of MM's tenure, "MBM" wasn't even returning Mick's calls. Says it all IMO.

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1008
I appreciate all that Lods. But it's a hypothetical posed by GTC, which usually ends up as a wish list more than anything. The amount of effort, networking, support, manoeuvring etc. that would be required to get rid of those types would be significant. You would then spend the rest of your time on guard because those types will surely not take such an ousting lying down. But IMO, there's little point in fixing the footy department if those external power brokers are still calling the shots, and can make or break careers, derail seasons etc., on what appears to me to be a mere whim.

Malthouse told the story that within seconds of getting the Carlton gig, the Mermaid Beach Mathieson called him to offer congratulations. Towards the end of MM's tenure, "MBM" wasn't even returning Mick's calls. Says it all IMO.

Hypothetical or not, it is an ongoing issue that many decisions are heavily influenced by the power brokers.

Why would MM be trying to call Mathieson?
Probably because he thought he might be able to overturn some board decision that Mick didn't agree with.

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1009
I stuffed the hypothetical in that I was supposed to say "assume no footy dept review had been done".

Krudd
First job?
Offer Eddie a contract for 1 more year.  ;D

Realistically, go to David Teague and ask him what he needs to win a flag and get it for him. Be that assistants, fitness staff, players....whatever. Everything else is secondary.

laj - They have a drink cabinet in the Board Room?…lol.

Lods Secure the newspapers and television.

Cookie Brace yourselves for the cr@p you’re gonna cop from the remaining members on this site! 👹

Capcom Chart a course to turn around the SS Carlton in a calm but very deliberate manner.  Identify what must be done and instruct all that the standards we set for ourselves, we also expect from the playing group.  Professional.  And take the blame when necessary ... always.  Complete buy in is critical.  :)

Set us apart from the rest and respect our rich history

Pauly Ring the Pratts and Mathiesons and Elliotts and other equivalents and tell them that their days of meddling and causing factions and instability are over.

LoveNavy Review the "Review Report".
Bring the panel members in to address any concerns.
Identify any remaining concerns that may have preceded the review, such as the validity of the Terms of Reference.
Bring the ex-board members in to address any concerns.
Provide members with the findings (and by default, the public).
With all cards on the table, make the appropriate decisions in the best intetests of CFC.

EB Make the Pies free at all home games……

Couple of things:
Pauly - In my view, the factions and influences from the Pratts and Mathiesons are gone because none of their tentacles are on our board. That was the point of the hypothetical of placing us (new, non influenced members) onto the board.

Krudd - Task 1 for you is to give Teague what he wants/needs and assume he is the right man for the job. You've come in cold and you're not even going to ask questions of our footy dept?

LoveNavy - Closest to the pin in my view given the scenerio I presented.

Capcoms is the second job IMO

Assuming a review of the footy dept hadn't been done and given the finances are in check, wouldn't the first thing we would do do is either start or commission a review of the footy dept? The dysfunctional board is gone, that only leaves looking into what the real purpose of the club is, playing games of football.


2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1010
Couple of things:
Pauly - In my view, the factions and influences from the Pratts and Mathiesons are gone because none of their tentacles are on our board. That was the point of the hypothetical of placing us (new, non influenced members) onto the board.

They will make you an offer you can't refuse. ;D  ;D

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1011
Hypothetical or not, it is an ongoing issue that many decisions are heavily influenced by the power brokers.

Why would MM be trying to call Mathieson?
Probably because he thought he might be able to overturn some board decision that Mick didn't agree with.

Yes, no doubt. I'm sure he was trying to call him because he knows exactly who holds the power, and was looking for an explanation or a stay of execution.

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1012
They will make you an offer you can't refuse. ;D  ;D
I'm of Italian heritage, they'll lose that battle should they wish to go down that track ;)
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1013
Assuming a review of the footy dept hadn't been done and given the finances are in check, wouldn't the first thing we would do do is either start or commission a review of the footy dept?

Without question GTC :)

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1014
Mandate the return of Carlton arrogance!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1015
Make the Pies free at all home games......

 :))  :))  :)) EB1 for President!! A man of vision and a laser-like appreciation of priorities.

Then I'd propose to my learned colleagues that we get the absolute best footy person we could find, who satisfied all our identified criteria, and appoint them to the Board.

Then I'd propose to my learned colleagues an external independent review of the CEO and his performance across the spectrum of his clearly identified responsibilities.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1016
I stuffed the hypothetical in that I was supposed to say "assume no footy dept review had been done".

....

Couple of things:
Krudd - Task 1 for you is to give Teague what he wants/needs and assume he is the right man for the job. You've come in cold and you're not even going to ask questions of our footy dept?

...

Assuming a review of the footy dept hadn't been done and given the finances are in check, wouldn't the first thing we would do do is either start or commission a review of the footy dept? The dysfunctional board is gone, that only leaves looking into what the real purpose of the club is, playing games of football.

See, i was assuming the review had been done.

In any event, i don't assume he is the right man for the job. However, he is the man currently in the job and deserves a red hot crack and proving it. If he was to get sacked, he'd have to be paid out. So we'd be going backward before we even started.
Thats why i'd ask him what he needs. If he gets everything he needs and STILL can't deliver, then its an easy decision that he and everyone else will understand and accept and we move forward unified.

So yes, i'll stand by my comments. Give full support to the coach.

Incidentally, after i said thought i remembered what Pratt said and did when he came in and it was very similar. Tell me what you need and i'll get it for you. There's hope i can become a billionaire yet....

 

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1017
Mandate the return of Carlton arrogance!
Thats part  of Capcoms charter, however if you believe the rumours of how our mobs players are perceived by those outside the organisation, its their in some ways already, just got to back it up with wins.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1018
See, i was assuming the review had been done.

In any event, i don't assume he is the right man for the job. However, he is the man currently in the job and deserves a red hot crack and proving it. If he was to get sacked, he'd have to be paid out. So we'd be going backward before we even started.
Thats why i'd ask him what he needs. If he gets everything he needs and STILL can't deliver, then its an easy decision that he and everyone else will understand and accept and we move forward unified.

So yes, i'll stand by my comments. Give full support to the coach.

Incidentally, after i said thought i remembered what Pratt said and did when he came in and it was very similar. Tell me what you need and i'll get it for you. There's hope i can become a billionaire yet....

If I walk into an organisation with the charter to make better, I don't assume anything, I review what's there and determine its status. Whatever I review falls into 3 categories.
1. Green Light - do nothing and proceed.
2. Yellow Light - Satisfactory, continue but needs improvement.
3. Red Light - Unsatisfactory, do no proceed needs replacing.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #1019
Thats part  of Capcoms charter, however if you believe the rumours of how our mobs players are perceived by those outside the organisation, its their in some ways already, just got to back it up with wins.
The Carlton Arrogance I talk of brushes opponents aside, it's never about letting them in or leaving the door ajar!
The Force Awakens!