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Reply #1020
The Carlton Arrogance I talk of brushes opponents aside, it's never about letting them in or leaving the door ajar!
I here ya
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1021
I'm nominate to oversee list management and recruiting.   I'd like to nominate RR for development.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1022
I'd like to know how Ross is going to cope with the new rules, which seem designed to phase out the way he likes to play. 6-6-6, the mark rule, less rotations.

 

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Reply #1023
I'd like to know how Ross is going to cope with the new rules, which seem designed to phase out the way he likes to play. 6-6-6, the mark rule, less rotations.
When you hear him analyse the game on Ch9 and MMM, he knows. FFIW my mate, Hawks supporter, is a junior footy coach and wannabe seniors coach (suburban level). Rates Lyon as the best footy analyst and coach in the business and reckons he would be perfect for us (more so than Clarkson).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1024
When you hear him analyse the game on Ch9 and MMM, he knows. FFIW my mate, Hawks supporter, is a junior footy coach and wannabe seniors coach (suburban level). Rates Lyon as the best footy analyst and coach in the business and reckons he would be perfect for us (more so than Clarkson).

That's all fine, but he can still be employed by us as a tactician / footy analyst, then it's a win / win. I've only seen snippets of him (admittedly a lot of snippets) and I find him a little hard to follow. He has a unique take on the English language and particular turns of phrase that leave me scratching my head. I don't rate him as a good communicator.

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Reply #1025
Lyon is eccentric and contrarian... So we're some of his favourite players.
If every other team is playing free flowing wide running footy his team will be playing close checking ugly scrimmage footy. He thrives on
being different and backing in players like Dawson, Baker, Crowley, Ballantyne who the rest of the league hate. His problem will be the time frame and being able to turn a list around to his style of play. Can he modify his thinking to suit the modern game and work with what he has?

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Reply #1026
If I walk into an organisation with the charter to make better, I don't assume anything, I review what's there and determine its status. Whatever I review falls into 3 categories.
1. Green Light - do nothing and proceed.
2. Yellow Light - Satisfactory, continue but needs improvement.
3. Red Light - Unsatisfactory, do no proceed needs replacing.
You seem to think that we are going in blind. We know what Teague has done as coach. He coached the NB's and made Grand Finals. Whatever assumptions you think have been made are based of results that are there for all to see.

If you are asking me to do the same about the local footy club, then sure, i'll ask around about the coach some more. Different circumstances though.

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Reply #1027
That's all fine, but he can still be employed by us as a tactician / footy analyst, then it's a win / win. I've only seen snippets of him (admittedly a lot of snippets) and I find him a little hard to follow. He has a unique take on the English language and particular turns of phrase that leave me scratching my head. I don't rate him as a good communicator.

This comment is not me advocating Ross.

However, to address your honest comments on your perceptions, I'd like to offer this.

Communication has been my life, in many respects, since leaving school back in 1827. There are so many effective forms of communication. But we are talking here, specifically, about a physical, demanding sport. Not academia (which I admire and respect... but not so much when it comes to action, getting things done in the real world).

What I observe with Ross is that he is a deeply passionate person. I love that. Passionate people can do rather interesting things with the English language, however. It comes with the territory, and so what. What is most important does the message get through to the receiver, connect with the receiver and motivate the receiver. Language and passion working together can be irresistible, and deeply effective. Ross also has very broad tactical, strategic nous, as does Clarko. And you can't separate the passion from the tactical from everything else in the individual. It's a package.

Expecting Ross to take a role that used his analysis and strategic nous only would never work. It's the whole package that makes him good at what he does. I understand that there are many folks who are almost entirely intellectual, effectively controlling their emotions. And that is entirely appropriate in some settings. But we're talking about a senior coach.

Ross (and Clarko) have a unique ability to connect with those they coach. Their care for each of their players is palpable - passion can be an amazing communicator... without words!

Ross (and Clarko) are also born leaders. And that's where they do there best work... as a leader.

Our game is a gladiatorial sport which requires both passion and strategy - heart and brain.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1028
If I walk into an organisation with the charter to make better, I don't assume anything, I review what's there and determine its status. Whatever I review falls into 3 categories.
1. Green Light - do nothing and proceed.
2. Yellow Light - Satisfactory, continue but needs improvement.
3. Red Light - Unsatisfactory, do no proceed needs replacing.

Like it.

Yellow and red both say... change is required. Results are not where they should or could be.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1029
This comment is not me advocating Ross.

However, to address your honest comments on your perceptions, I'd like to offer this.

Communication has been my life, in many respects, since leaving school back in 1827. There are so many effective forms of communication. But we are talking here, specifically, about a physical, demanding sport. Not academia (which I admire and respect... but not so much when it comes to action, getting things done in the real world).

What I observe with Ross is that he is a deeply passionate person. I love that. Passionate people can do rather interesting things with the English language, however. It comes with the territory, and so what. What is most important does the message get through to the receiver, connect with the receiver and motivate the receiver. Language and passion working together can be irresistible, and deeply effective. Ross also has very broad tactical, strategic nous, as does Clarko. And you can't separate the passion from the tactical from everything else in the individual. It's a package.

Expecting Ross to take a role that used his analysis and strategic nous only would never work. It's the whole package that makes him good at what he does. I understand that there are many folks who are almost entirely intellectual, effectively controlling their emotions. And that is entirely appropriate in some settings. But we're talking about a senior coach.

Ross (and Clarko) have a unique ability to connect with those they coach. Their care for each of their players is palpable - passion can be an amazing communicator... without words!

Ross (and Clarko) are also born leaders. And that's where they do there best work... as a leader.

Our game is a gladiatorial sport which requires both passion and strategy - heart and brain.

I accept that it's way more critical that the players understand him than me. I'm not convinced that he cannot be employed only as a tactician / footy analyst. That's basically what he does now. If that's what the club offers him, and he says "no, senior coach or nothing", then we say arrivedverci. We can't be held to ransom. I am of course being hypothetical about what has or hasn't been offered.

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Reply #1030
I accept that it's way more critical that the players understand him than me. I'm not convinced that he cannot be employed only as a tactician / footy analyst. That's basically what he does now. If that's what the club offers him, and he says "no, senior coach or nothing", then we say arrivedverci. We can't be held to ransom. I am of course being hypothetical about what has or hasn't been offered.

Yes, that's what he's doing now... but he's now realised it aint enough, as demonstrated through his reaction to what Lethal said to him.

I recall, quite vividly, Ross giving an analysis of a game a few weeks back, using the big screen on the wall. He wasn't giving an analysis (though he was!), he was coaching. He was passionately invested in what should be done and why, he was passionately frustrated by what wasn't being done and why. No point asking a frog for his legs only because you like his spring! Gotta take the whole frog... and so it should be.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1031
We can't be held to ransom. I am of course being hypothetical about what has or hasn't been offered.
We are being held ransom already by our ineffective and reactive board, we've been held ransom for two decades!
 
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Reply #1032
We are being held ransom already by our ineffective and reactive board, we've been held ransom for two decades!
 

I guess so, but my point was really about others like Lyon demanding a particular gig or else no deal.

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Reply #1033
Lyon is eccentric and contrarian... So we're some of his favourite players.
If every other team is playing free flowing wide running footy his team will be playing close checking ugly scrimmage footy. He thrives on
being different and backing in players like Dawson, Baker, Crowley, Ballantyne who the rest of the league hate. His problem will be the time frame and being able to turn a list around to his style of play. Can he modify his thinking to suit the modern game and work with what he has?
He'll need to.

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Reply #1034
Email From the President.

 I wanted you to be the first to know that our football club has today entered its next phase of the extensive independent football department review that has been conducted by external panel members Geoff Walsh, Graham Lowe and Matthew Pavlich.

 

As communicated last week, the external panel had delivered a final report to me, the Club’s Board of Directors, and CEO Cain Liddle.

 

This report contains detailed information from key stakeholders across the entire football department and will be used as a basis for our club to make necessary and informed decisions to take the football department forward and improve our on-field performance.

 

With our AFL season complete, our club is now in a position to fully brief the senior leaders of the Football Department on the review findings. This process will commence this week and will involve consultation between the Board and football department regarding the recommendations provided.

 

The Club will take the necessary time required to absorb this review and any outcomes or decisions will be made on the timeframe that is in the best interest of the Club, not based on external expectations or pressure.

 

As always, I remain committed to continue being open and transparent with our members and supporters regarding any outcomes and decisions that will arise out of this review, including the summarised findings, and as such, once this process is complete, our members will be the first to know.

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