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Reply #1065 –
Quote from: LP on
Well, from our perspective, but not necessarily oblivious to the insiders, just not spoken about openly.

We can't be sure all interviewees would have been open and forthright in the review. Many probably would have gone into survival mode.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #1066 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
We can't be sure all interviewees would have been open and forthright in the review. Many probably would have gone into survival mode.
This is potentially where those rumoured canary traps come into play.

You can't assume everyone gets asked the same questions, I bet Walsh is A-Grade at cutting through this rubbish! ;)

If nothing else, it exposes who is telling you porky pies, even if it doesn't reveal the truth it can still reveal character!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1067 –
There were rumours going back years that Bolton bought it for the sake of Cripps mental health.

In doing that did we teach Pavlov's Dog a new involuntary trick, a way of dealing with stress that has a negative outcome for remainder of the club?
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1068 –
Fans are all about Pickering on Teague, but they ignore that Pickering is Weitering's uncle! :o

Be careful what you wish for, manage this very very carefully!
The Force Awakens!
 

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Reply #1069 –
Here is my wash up, based on the surfacing rumours there are some irrevocable conclusions even if only a small small percentage of it is true;

 - Teague can't be coach.
 - Cripps and Doc can't be captains.
 - Liddle has been asleep at the wheel.
 - Brad Lloyd is gone.
 - Some big name players will be lost.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1070 –
Quote from: LP on
Fans are all about Pickering on Teague, but they ignore that Pickering is Weitering's uncle! :o

Be careful what you wish for, manage this very very carefully!

The whole AFL scene seems incredibly incestuous. Maybe this is one of the problems.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #1071 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
The whole AFL scene seems incredibly incestuous. May this is one of the problems.
I've certainly seen that at TAC Cup level, it's not an equal opportunity environment, but of course this is not new to us at Carlton, just ask SOS and Liddle!
 
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1072 –
Can someone mock up a Survivor Poster with a bunch of Carlton heads, it would seem to fit the circumstance!



Or maybe Lord of the Flys!


The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1073 –
Makes me wonder whether this review really pulled some scabs off a festering sore.  Likelihood IMO is it did. 

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Reply #1074 –
The media parasites don't let up do they?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1075 –
Quote from: Professer E on
The media parasites don't let up do they?
I've always stated our Church Mouse media policy cannot win, because even if you are quiet and get on with the job they will just make stuff up.

The AFL Media are like weeds, you have to actively control them and if you don't they'll just take over!

Like the AFL Executive, the AFL Media is full of failed lawyers, it seems to be the Monash and Melbourne Uni Law Depts produce more sports reporters than legal eagles! As part of law they get the training to disassemble and recompose a narrative for their own benefit.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1076 –
Quote from: LP on
Here is my wash up, based on the surfacing rumours there are some irrevocable conclusions even if only a small small percentage of it is true;

 - Teague can't be coach.
 - Cripps and Doc can't be captains.
 - Liddle has been asleep at the wheel.
 - Brad Lloyd is gone.
 - Some big name players will be lost.

That's about it...

In 2014 we finished 13th ( an injury hit season)
Two games into 2015 they announced a review and derailed the 2015 season
In 2021 we finished 13th (an injury hit season)

Worst rebuild ever. ::)

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Reply #1077 –
Quote from: Lods on
That's about it...

In 2014 we finished 13th ( an injury hit season)
Two games into 2015 they announced a review and derailed the 2015 season
In 2021 we finished 13th (an injury hit season)

Worst rebuild ever. ::)

Strictly speaking, they announced a rebuild in 2015. With the benefit of hindsight, I think the rebuild was half at$ed and didn't go far enough. They should have started from scratch with everything - Board, Executive, coaches, players, marketing, the whole club.

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Reply #1078 –
I wonder how far the media speculation is from reality  :-\

Ignoring the media and alleged leaks aired on social media, and considering only the official communications from the club, the review process seems logical and well-planned.  That is, the independent panel conducts its investigation and provides the board with its report at the end of the season (I suspect that it would have been held back if we had made the finals).  Stakeholders are then involved in considering the report and finalising actions to address issues identified.  That process would seem to be very much driven by Sayers and based on his particular expertise.

I suspect that the media management approach has been to provide nothing but prepared statements.  The media will run with whatever will sell papers, increase audiences, get more likes, regardless of what the club says, but I would have thought more regular affirmations of the process would have been beneficial.  The problem with the 'say nothing' approach is that Teague didn't get the memo and was sucked into commenting.  If he does continue as head coach, and I think that he will, media training should be part of his development package.     
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #1079 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Strictly speaking, they announced a rebuild in 2015. With the benefit of hindsight, I think the rebuild was half at$ed and didn't go far enough. They should have started from scratch with everything - Board, Executive, coaches, players, marketing, the whole club.

Yep...two games into 2015

It was a...
a) Time buying exercise to deflect criticism.
b) A move designed to force out the coach who didn't want a bar of a rebuild
c) Both of the above.

The effect was it killed the season 2015 as all efforts went into setting up for the start of the rebuild. Players were left uncertain about their future and the coach's future.

Now six years later we've had another 'time-buying exercise' that derailed a season and left the club (looking from the outside) in a bit of a mess.

Six years of rebuild...and this!
And folks say we should be patient. ::)