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Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #30 –
According to CFC website

Available for selection:-
Jacob Weitering (AC joint), Sam Durdin (knee), Matt Owies (calf), Lachie Fogarty (back), Ed Curnow (calf)
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #31 –
So if it were up to me

In Weiters Owies Stocker (sub)
Out Newnes Honey (Setterfield)
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #32 –
WOW  -  ONLY 9 ON THE INJURY LIST

Got a long way to go  :'(  :'(

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #33 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
No J McGovern and their tall defenders vs the Tigers were Barrass, Bazzo and Rotham........if the ball gets down our end often enough it will be carnage. Barrass is a decent enough player but is only 194cm and would probably have to take Harry, Rotham is 193cm and Bazzo is 195cm but is a thin kid playing his second game.
Harry has 10cm and 10kg on Barrass.......
Should be a smacking imho providing we win enough ball from the middle, Kelly had 40 vs the tigers so he should get George for company imo. Nitwit might cause us some problems in the ruck as well as JK and Darling if they get good supply but apart from that I dont see too many winners for WC.


Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.

How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.

Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.

Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #34 –
Is Josh Kennedy even a certain starter? I like a multi and he’s name is not on the list of goal kickers - I’m hoping that means he is still out.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #35 –
Quote from: shawny on
Is Josh Kennedy even a certain starter? I like a multi and he’s name is not on the list of goal kickers - I’m hoping that means he is still out.
Is not on the AFL injury list
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #36 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
If you go by ladder position we should win. However, we know WC have been ravaged this year and they are proud club on their home deck who are "better" than their ladder position suggests. Ill take a 1 pt win if we can get one.

WC v Tigers
This time around they played with 10 changes from previous meeting 😯
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #37 –
Quote from: shawny on
Is Josh Kennedy even a certain starter? I like a multi and he’s name is not on the list of goal kickers - I’m hoping that means he is still out.

Simpson reporting he's very likely to play.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #38 –
It's not the Weagles tall forwards I'm as concerned about as their small forwards.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #39 –
Quote from: Baggers on
It's not the Weagles tall forwards I'm as concerned about as their small forwards.
Under the current rules I think it's all about the midfield, even relatively mediocre forwards are scoring goals this season when a team gets enough clean clearances.

If we can't stop the Wet Toast midfield we will have a problem, we either have to dominate the clearances or slow down the Wet Toast run and spread. If we can get enough clearances and kick straight the weakened Wet Toast D50 should be to our advantage.

Bit worried about Charlie's goal kicking, he is developing some real goal kicking ticks, the big swerve is getting bigger and bigger and he's got a case of the heebie jeebies whenever he is forced into a set shot, and there is no reason for it he just needs to go back and do the basics well. He needs to lock out the whoever or whatever that has got into his headspace.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #40 –
Quote from: shawny on
Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.

How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.

Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.

Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.

Many of Harry’s goals have come from undersized defenders panicking and grabbing him in marking contests.  That still requires the ball to be kicked to his advantage even if it’s just a high ball to the hot spot.

Harry and Charlie work damn hard to be in good positions, as does Jack.  In fact Jack is third for marks on the lead inside 50, well ahead of Harry and Charlie.  Their teammates generally work equally hard to get the ball to them … except when we’re a little off our game, as we were against St Kilda.

Maybe a little of ‘Harry’s on a shortarse, just bomb the ball’ creeps in.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #41 –
like i said in past tall fwds are useless if you haven't got players to deliver the pill (need to recruit quick players ) . My opinion is that wce are confident ,get JK back  playing home , set up perfect for us to win .

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #42 –
Quote from: DJC on
Many of Harry’s goals have come from undersized defenders panicking and grabbing him in marking contests. 
It's not really size that matters the most, it's strength, and usually bigger players have a weight advantage, but if you don't know how to use that advantage it's worthless.

SOS would regularly stitch up KPF's significantly bigger than him, and Serg could better players far far heavier, but none were built stronger. SoJ is a bit similar, which allows him to fair better in the ruck than people predict.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #43 –
Quote from: shawny on
Height is overvalued imo when considering how effective a forward will be on a given day.

How the ball is moved to the forward is far more important then height difference. Us fans think if you have a decent height advantage it’s a massive bonus but it’s rarely plays out that way.

Last weeks game is an example of how in the last quarter Harry had a massive height advantage and I don’t remember one occasion where we were able to kick it to his advantage.

Having the advantage is one thing but being able to exploit it is not as easy as it appears on paper. Otherwise every ruckman would be a great resting forward yet they rarely kick more then the odd goal.
I'd suggest delivery to and intensity from Harry and Charlie wasnt as good as it should have been, Saints lost Howard as well and ended up with Battle on Harry but we were not good enough to exploit that as a team or Harry as an Individual.
Wilkie is an underrated defender and fair to say he probably had the better of Charlie who like Harry looked a bit laconic and I hope Voss smartens them up this week at training because I see plenty of opportunities vs WC if they are switched on.
Charlie doing those around the corner kicks instead of lining up properly is starting to concern me and he needs to balance those approaches out more and be a bit more orthodox as we have some tough games ahead and cant be squandering opportunities.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #44 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Charlie doing those around the corner kicks instead of lining up properly is starting to concern me and he needs to balance those approaches out more and be a bit more orthodox as we have some tough games ahead and cant be squandering opportunities.
If Charlie has a set shot, he misses.

If he gets the ball, and runs his arc straight away without thinking, he is a better kick.
Still could improve in both areas, but i think he is susceptible to the yips if he has time to think about things.