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Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #135 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Yes I get all that, the irony for me is that if she had in fact sat with Harry, she would have protected the Monarchy, by not doing so, she effectively destroyed it. After all, at the point, Harry was part of it. Its real simple, If you want popularity in 2022, act human FFS.

Like the way you carve it to the bone, GTC old son. Sharp stuff. Spot on... be real and the folks will get you. Simple.
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Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #136 –
Quote from: DJC on
Seriously LP, you should read Ardern's office's statement and stop relying on Sky News.  Ardern and others were interviewed for a Mandela Foundation project on leadership years before the Sussexes were engaged to get the program produced and aired.

Ardern simply confirmed the timeline so that she wasn't seen to be taking sides in the Royal family spat.  Harry and Meghan haven't made any comments to the contrary.

This is a fairly typical example of how the Murdoch media will take a straightforward non-event and try use it to attack those that they fear and/or hate, in this case, both Ardern and the Sussexes.

Murdoch media... skillful year round cherry pickers. Sadly, though, there is enough of a market for their hysterics who want their daily feed of 'who do we hate today?'
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #137 –
As much as I deplore News Ltd I can't really blame the Harkle predicament on News Ltd, it's Harkle's own doing.

I'd love to lambast News Ltd, I probably can on dozens of issues in any moment, but I can't justify doing so just because one crooked story is relayed by a crooked messenger. Maybe it is a turd wrapped in dung, but does that really make better?

News Ltd aren't an exclusive source on this issue, and much of the various Harkle statements and behaviours are outside of News Ltd scope.

For all the rubbish coming from News Ltd, slamming of Clarkson or calling out misogyny, not a shred of highlighting News Ltd shortcomings will justify or excuse Harkle Guilding the Lily to paint a specific picture, and that they have done, cleverly I admit but innocently I doubt very much. Maybe Harkle are the royalty of plausible deniability.

I expect any day now to be labelled racist again because I think Phil Egan being investigated for fraud might cast a pall over the Dawks Racism investigation, and yet the facts remain a person investigating an integrity issue might not have any, yet we are bound to receive demands to believe the report is the truth. It's uncomfortable just like the Harkle events.

When the public accepts one lie over another, simply because of the way one of the lies might be packaged, the globe is heading into a very very sorry state.
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Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #138 –
The Egan story could potentially be spun off to its own thread at a later date. It's only been reported in the Murdoch press for now, so I can't read anything, but the timing is certainly interesting, to say the least.

Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #139 –
Quote from: PaulP on
The Egan story could potentially be spun off to its own thread at a later date. It's only been reported in the Murdoch press for now, so I can't read anything, but the timing is certainly interesting, to say the least.

The Egan story has been raised in the relevant "Trouble at Hawthorn" thread.  I'm not sure why it was raised here  :-\
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #141 –
People might mistake my position as being unsupportive of the disadvantaged, persecuted or downtrodden, quite the opposite.

There must be a solid foundation for change or it will unravel,  I'm not prepared to accept a quick fix off the back of potential fraud as the risk is too high.

The evidence must be beyond reproach, it can't be in any way subjective or illusory, opinions no matter how many are gathered on either side of the debate mean nothing! Not just on this issue, but for all important issues.
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Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #142 –
One thing is for sure and certain....Harry doesn't have much of a 'filter' for his thoughts and recollections. ::)

Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #143 –
Quote from: Lods on
One thing is for sure and certain....Harry doesn't have much of a 'filter' for his thoughts and recollections. ::)
I think Harry turned off his thunkin a long long long time ago!
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Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #144 –
Quote from: Lods on
One thing is for sure and certain....Harry doesn't have much of a 'filter' for his thoughts and recollections. ::)
I found his thoughts and recollections raw and intriguing. I like the no holds barred attitude from him, about time someone from the "institution" did it. As he stated, he was sick and tired of others commenting on his life story which was full of BS, he is telling it from the horses mouth (apologies to Camilla however pun intended).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #145 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I found his thoughts and recollections raw and intriguing. I like the no holds barred attitude from him, about time someone from the "institution" did it. As he stated, he was sick and tired of others commenting on his life story which was full of BS, he is telling it from the horses mouth (apologies to Camilla however pun intended).

No doubt they're raw and intriguing.

But he's probably Number One on the Taliban hit parade....with a bullet. ::)


Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #146 –
Quote from: Lods on
No doubt they're raw and intriguing.

But he's probably Number One on the Taliban hit parade....with a bullet. ::)



He ain't at the front of that queue Ill give you the tip.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
 

Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #147 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I found his thoughts and recollections raw and intriguing. I like the no holds barred attitude from him, about time someone from the "institution" did it. As he stated, he was sick and tired of others commenting on his life story which was full of BS, he is telling it from the horses mouth (apologies to Camilla however pun intended).

Well said.

What I see is a very hurt young man; a young man who at a critical stage of his development lost his mother in tragic circumstances and in the 'family' he was in, keeping a stiff upper lip with no public displays of grief, was paramount. Then he had to live with the fact his father married the woman he was having an affair with whilst married to his mother - betrayal. Then Harry joined the military and fought in war zones... so he learned to fight back. And he's doing just that. Then he saw his partner/wife attacked by the 'family' and media similar to his mother - powder keg.

However, I did find Harry's comments re the 25 people he killed as very unwise.
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Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #148 –
Quote from: Baggers on
However, I did find Harry's comments re the 25 people he killed as very unwise.

That was the type of thing I mean't by 'filter'.
The other thing is he's throwing bombs and then having to  backtrack.
In one breath Camilla is the 'villain' and the next he's saying he wasn't 'disparaging' about his stepmother.
Apparently there was no accusation of racism about their newborn on the Oprah show. It was an 'unconscious bias' by some individuals...something Harry himself was guilty of at times in his life. That's taken a bit of time to clarify...it was all the press's fault for misinterpreting it.
 
I have a bit of sympathy for him. He's had this conflicting life where he was torn between the strict Royal side of his family and the more unrestricted, albeit still aristocratic, influence of his mother's side of the family.
The truth is if he ever was suited for that Royal role, he no longer is.

If he wanted real change in the monarchy it would have been best to try and change it from the inside. He'll say he tried, but that type of thing is a lifelong battle.  All he's doing from the outside is alienating a large section of British public opinion, and he's taken on the most unwisest task of all in challenging the british press.
His father is right.
It's a battle he can't and won't win.
The fightback from their point of view hasn't even begun.

Harry will say it reached the point where it was no longer possible to stay, but having left the family and country he's now  gone full attack. That may gain him some sympathy in places like the USA, Canada and Australia. The rest of the world won't care (unless they're directly referenced e.g. Afghanistan). It won't be as popular in the UK.

Harry talks about 'his truth'. He knows the way the family works that they won't respond directly with 'their truth' (although some sources 'close to the palace' will no doubt throw a few grenades.)
That's the problem  'Harry's truth' + 'the family's truth' = 'the real truth'
We only have one side of the equation so we don't have the answer.

In any family relation there are always two sides of a story, two points of view, that may vary due to personal experiences and how they affected each individual.
Position in the family and memories of certain events can also make people see things very differently. I know through disagreements with my own family that recollection and reasons for events aren't always the same.

Harry's next move will be interesting.
Having put it all out there, if there is no response from the family (which seems likely) will he move on, or is there still more to come.

Re: Harry and Megan

Reply #149 –
Quote from: Lods on
Harry's next move will be interesting.
Having put it all out there, if there is no response from the family (which seems likely) will he move on, or is there still more to come.
The Harkles have left themselves only one direction to go in, it's "all in" now with no way to circle back!

If I was cynical, and I might be known for being slightly cynical, I suspect the Harkles are trying to setup Megan as some sort of "US
 Monarch of the Minorites", "Queen of Aspen" a sort of up market Kardashian. But the question is, will a society that was built of revolution accept a monarch? To me it's a huge gamble as I see no middle ground, they will either succeed or be consigned to the rubbish heap of history! They are probably doomed to fade into obscurity much like Edward and Wallis before them.
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