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Reply #150 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Well said.

What I see is a very hurt young man; a young man who at a critical stage of his development lost his mother in tragic circumstances and in the 'family' he was in, keeping a stiff upper lip with no public displays of grief, was paramount. Then he had to live with the fact his father married the woman he was having an affair with whilst married to his mother - betrayal. Then Harry joined the military and fought in war zones... so he learned to fight back. And he's doing just that. Then he saw his partner/wife attacked by the 'family' and media similar to his mother - powder keg.

However, I did find Harry's comments re the 25 people he killed as very unwise.
Hurt indeed, when your family, royal or peasant, throws you to the wolves, that's grounds for hurt in anyones language.
As for the 25 kills quote, meh, that's the soldier in him coming out, just very matter of fact.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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Reply #151 –
It's all a bit raw at the moment but you know, it's the way this thing works.... ten years from now all the focus will be on 'good looking' young royals George and Charlotte.

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Reply #152 –
Quote from: Lods on
It's all a bit raw at the moment but you know, it's the way this thing works.... ten years from now all the focus will be on 'good looking' young royals George and Charlotte.


Rinse repeat
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #153 –
I don't think the Royals will emerge from all of this unscathed. I take your valid points and perspectives, Principal LODS, but there are enough UK-ites questioning the relevance of the Royal Family already... Harry's 'revelations' will further polarize for sure but they will almost certainly aid anti Royal Family voices.

QE did a remarkable job holding it all together but with the flawed Charles at the throne you could easily see the foundations begin to wobble... A lot. The Palace PR squad will be working overtime to maintain the diminishing sparkle and relevance of this not so royal, Royal Family.
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Reply #154 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
As for the 25 kills quote, meh, that's the soldier in him coming out, just very matter of fact.
If that was a Japanese Prince making that statement .....................................

No soldier should ever take pride in or boast about his targets, I don't know anybody worth standing besides that does, here in Oz he'd be unwelcome at most RSLs for that vile emission. Being a soldier is a job, in war time it's a very dirty job, you take pride in defending your country and your peers, but you never boast about those who you helped fall!
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Reply #155 –
Quote from: LP on
If that was a Japanese Prince making that statement .....................................

No soldier should ever take pride in or boast about his targets, I don't know anybody worth standing besides that does, here in Oz he'd be unwelcome at most RSLs for that vile emission. Being a soldier is a job, in war time it's a very dirty job, you take pride in defending your country and your peers, but you never boast about those who you helped fall!

Agree, I found that statement repulsive too. Kind of stuff best left unsaid.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #156 –
Quote from: LP on
If that was a Japanese Prince making that statement .....................................

No soldier should ever take pride in or boast about his targets, I don't know anybody worth standing besides that does, here in Oz he'd be unwelcome at most RSLs for that vile emission. Being a soldier is a job, in war time it's a very dirty job, you take pride in defending your country and your peers, but you never boast about those who you helped fall!

Absolutely, Spotted One.

I don't know anyone I served with who boasted about 'kills'... In fact, quite the opposite, it was a subject not to be discussed - a painful subject. The odd psycho would keep numbers and boast but was pretty well shunned by the rest of us. The number one thing I got from serving in a war zone was how unnatural it seemed to harm other people, regardless of how much they were demonized. I don't think the Taliban will take it well, the words of Harry may well come back to bite him... And others.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #157 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I don't think the Royals will emerge from all of this unscathed. I take your valid points and perspectives, Principal LODS, but there are enough UK-ites questioning the relevance of the Royal Family already... Harry's 'revelations' will further polarize for sure but they will almost certainly aid anti Royal Family voices.

QE did a remarkable job holding it all together but with the flawed Charles at the throne you could easily see the foundations begin to wobble... A lot. The Palace PR squad will be working overtime to maintain the diminishing sparkle and relevance of this not so royal, Royal Family.

You may be right Baggers.
If the Royals were the only target that would be quite a fair guess.
But Harry's also chosen to take on the press.

At the moment he's a bit of a poster boy for the anti-monarchists but...
I wonder if some of the anti-monarchists don't look at Harry and the current dysfunction and see him as part of the problems of that regime.
The things he claims were not available to him, had they been forthcoming would have entrenched him in that system. He wanted to be more a part of it, not less.
The very title of his book "Spare" is an indication of someone who believed he wasn't as important as others and as a result he was missing out.

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Reply #158 –
Quote from: LP on
If that was a Japanese Prince making that statement .....................................

No soldier should ever take pride in or boast about his targets, I don't know anybody worth standing besides that does, here in Oz he'd be unwelcome at most RSLs for that vile emission. Being a soldier is a job, in war time it's a very dirty job, you take pride in defending your country and your peers, but you never boast about those who you helped fall!


Quote from: cookie2 on
Agree, I found that statement repulsive too. Kind of stuff best left unsaid.

 Agree with both comments.

A 20 year war that served its primary purpose - boosting the share price and profit margin of Raytheon et al.

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Reply #159 –
Not sure Harry “boasted” about the 25 kills. I read the extract and he was being matter of fact. He didn’t keep a running count of the kills. That count was kept by his superiors. He was an attack helicopter gunner and all of his shooting was recorded and picked apart by his commander. As he tells it, his commander was trying to find fault with his subordinates and was desperate to catch them out. He was looking for any evidence that the rules of engagement hadn’t been followed and non-combatants were either harmed or were unacceptably close to the action. He was at pains to say that all of his kills were by the book and his real regrets were over those times he was unable to save fellow troops because of the rules of engagement. He specifically referred to a squad of Gurkhas in that regard. He also detailed the way the Taliban fighters were “othered” in such a way that lethal force was easier to inflict as it would have been hard to do that if they were seen as humans, and that process was easier because of the strong emotions created by the 9/11 attack. It was a fairly philosophical recollection rather than a gung-ho boast.

The extract was contained in a story in the Guardian written by a former British soldier who had fought in Afghanistan. He felt that it was a pretty accurate reflection of his own experiences and those of his comrades.

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Reply #160 –
Quote from: Mav on
Not sure Harry “boasted” about the 25 kills.
If he's been verballed then he should sue the media, maybe he already is, because the selective quoting is making him look like public enemy No.1 and he will be more of a target because of those misquotes, and it is putting his family and friends at greater risk!

Sadly, such is the world we live in!
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Reply #161 –
I agree Mav. I didn't find it boastful so much as depressing. The amount of reprogramming required to get around people's basic decency..............little wonder so many ex soldiers suffer so badly and live out their lives as barely functioning humans. The trail of devastation left by war goes well beyond the body count.

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Reply #162 –
So given the trauma this guy has been through (loss of a parent, war experience, the responsibilities of being a young royal at odds with his family),  are we selectively picking the pieces and accounts to believe that reflect our own biases for or against the monarchy and discounting the fact that if we'd experienced similar we'd be pretty damaged human beings.
As such our thoughts and experiences would be affected and 'our truth' as we believe it would be a very real thing to us, but not necessarily 100% accurate in the eyes of others.

This goes a little bit deeper than just the 'he said, they said' conflict

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Reply #163 –
Harry is a target with or without his kill score and so are his family and every other Royal, it comes with the job and why they spend so much on security. Not sure why people are so shocked with him killing 25 people either, its probably a lot more in reality with unaccounted for kills and with him being a gunner/weapons officer(rockets fired down to him too) on a helicopter, he wasnt being employed to polish the equipment.
What I find amusing is Harry said originally back around 2013 he compared shooting insurgents in Afghanistan to playing video games....he also said, "Take a life to save a life, "If there's people trying to do bad stuff to our guys, then we'll take them out of the game." No conscience at all in those comments so its not boasting to me just a bloke satisfied with the job he was doing and why he was doing it.  Working as an active team member in the Army and not being seen as a Royal buffoon looking for a shiny medal probably made him feel normal. Reckon he should have stayed in the Army and we wouldnt have to put up with this Royal Days of our lives BS being played out on every media outlet we have now.

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Reply #164 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Harry is a target with or without his kill score and so are his family and every other Royal, it comes with the job and why they spend so much on security.
One of his complaints was security for his family....but I'd suspect it may now be a lot less than it was and his movements not as controlled.