Carlton Supporters Club

No, this is the same rebuild.
The architects of it don't get off that easy.
If you can change players you can change coaches.
Worst rebuild ever.
We built a skeleton but didn't put any solid flesh on it.
8 years in the making and still no finals.
It's a lesson to other clubs.

There was one stat i saw during the game that completely summed up the game.

Scores from turnovers
Brisbane 11 goals (they had 12 at the time).

Fix that, fix the game.

It was clear that our poor skill errors cost us the game.

We were up against a legit top 4 side who have done it over a number of years.
We have not even made finals for 10+ years. This result was to be expected somewhat.
We are coming.....but we are not there yet.

Come Monday morning, perhaps even Sunday morning, were I Messrs Cook and Sayers, I’d have one man and one man only sitting in front of us, B Lloyd… Head of Football. And I’d be asking, “How come?”

How come little has changed? In fact, we don’t look as good as last year, so perhaps we’ve even gone backwards.

How come we still go to water when real heat is applied, resulting in dreadful inconsistency within games?

How come we continue to make baffling decision at the selection table? Example: a fella with ordinary VFL form gets senior selection then plays 5 ordinary games in the seniors (Honey) while others in the VFL with good form are ignored?

How come we have so many out of form players?

Why does everyone blame the small forwards after every loss.

Every single player knows how to play, kick, mark, tackle and handball ...very well.

Why does everyone blame the small forwards after every loss.

We should probably be taking the Kennedy Commandos approach to our football rather than the clinical slick ball movement of the Clarkson era.

Not any more lods.  That rebuild gave us the core of the new rebuild.  Go back 2 years.  How many of our starting 23 were playing for us under teague? 

I guess you can call it whatever you like
Rebuild 1.1, Rebuild 2.0
But to me it's the same unfinished job.
I never wanted us to go down that path anyway.
And as far as I'm concerned it's still the same 'project' that was first dreamed up in 2014 and declared in 2015.
It's not a new rebuild until you finish the old one.

Over eight or nine years you will get a significant change of personnel
In our case we've had significant changes in just a few years.
That's a large part of the problem.
The players are playing with different teammates each year and no line is really settled.

But it's not a new start.
It's a 'tinkering' that occurs each year with the draft and trade period.
Because the core group is there, in place.

A rebuild is an ongoing process until you achieve the desired success.
Silvagni said as much when he took on the job.
He wasn't looking to build a side that just made the eight.
He was building a side for 'sustained' success.
Now we can argue the merits of Silvagni's successful and not so successful choices
Even SOS will admit he probably cut too deeply.
But his goal was right.
...and it's an ongoing process, and it's not over till we reach the goal....and we ain't there yet.

The fact that the original architects are no longer around doesn't mean a thing.
That lets them off the hook.
And they should be held accountable for the length of time it's taken.
We took a decision to cut our list back and reconstuct it and until we're playing deep into finals on a regular basis that task is incomplete.

Not to me.  Are st. Kilda still rebuilding for 60 years?


Thats where I'm at in terms of where our team is.  The inflection point was sack Bolton, teague was to continue that project.  Voss arrival signalled the start of a new project. 

We'll have to agree to disagree, Thry
As far as I'm concerned the original job is unfinished.
Voss is just the latest manager of the 'project'


St Kilda played in a Grand Finals in  2009-2010
They played finals in 2020.... so no, they haven't been rebuilding for 60 years.
We can call an end to the rebuild when we have that level of success.

Unforced errors and turnovers are different. Turnovers includes 'forced errors' that result in turnovers. Its based on pressure from the opposition as much as it is stupid errors.

But, its easier than you think.

We gave up 2 goals (at least) by refusing to take the ball over the goal line. We ended up getting tackled within meters of the goal line and turning it over. Next time, just take it over. 2 goals saved.

Pick players who can kick.....under pressure. Starting with playing Kennedy for a whole game, not as a sub.
Also, make sure we are manning up until we are clear of a turnover coming back to bite us.

Too many times we got the ball in defense and took off running, only to turn it over, get kicked back over our heads for an easy goal. Make sure we stay at home for longer and limit those 'turnover -> goal' opportunities.


I was at the game, behind the goals top level. I was trying to teach the little one how to play as a key forward/defender. Where to position, where to lead etc etc. So i spent time focusing on Charlie/Harry and on Weitering.
Weitering absolutely dominated Daniher as well as helping out teammates by peeling accross. He thwarted so many forward thrusts simply by being smart.

Alternatively, the Lions played an extra defender (sometimes 2) in our forwardline for large portions of the game and we were too stupid to do much about it. Charlie is excellent when its too his advantage, but goes completely MIA when its not, doesn't chase and is not great on the spoil. We were so used to Charlie/Harry dominating, based on last weeks effort, that we didn't put much thought into how we kicked inside 50 this time. Class of opposition showed us up.
Be a little bit smarter and use our +1s around the ball to find a target rather than hoping Charlie and Harry can dominate.

Are we building the footy version of La Sagrada Familia? Sometimes feels like it.