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Re: Formula 1

Reply #150
The end is nigh!

https://youtu.be/fvziDes6kr0?t=5
So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Like many, you are ignoring context.

Norris waves to everybody that lets him through. Just because the bloke he passed was in the same car, people lose their minds.

Ricciardos greatest strength is late breaking. That is where he gets most of his overtakes from....and he is one of the best on the grid in overtaking. However, the McLaren doesn't seem to be as stable as he'd like under breaking and that is where he is struggling.
All this talk about his driving style hinges around that.

The McLaren, traditionally, has been about high end speed at the expense of cornering speed.
Looking at the speed trap data, this continues to be true. https://f1i.com/news/400883-bahrain-speed-trap-who-is-the-fastest-of-them-all-3.html
@Bahrain, Ricciardo was 3rd fastest in the speed trap at the start/finish line and 8th fastest at the other speed trap.
Interestingly, he was ahead of Norris in both.
More interestingly, he was behind the crap teams like Haas and Williams....both of which have similar issues with cornering at pace.

Danny Ric and McLaren need to work out some kind of compromise for the benefit of eachother.

Re: Formula 1

Reply #151
Danny Ric and McLaren need to work out some kind of compromise for the benefit of each other.
That reads more like a prayer rather than a strategy.

I'm a Ricciardo booster, he is known as "The last of the late brakers", a style of driving I admire, why he and Alonso are my among my favourites.

He has a McLaren car with known high end straight line speed and strong braking, a car they(the experts) thought suited his driving style to perfection.

But this year he can't get past anybody!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Formula 1

Reply #152
That reads more like a prayer rather than a strategy.

I'm a Ricciardo booster, he is known as "The last of the late brakers", a style of driving I admire, why he and Alonso are my among my favourites.

He has a McLaren car with known high end straight line speed and strong braking, a car they(the experts) thought suited his driving style to perfection.

But this year he can't get past anybody!
The 'experts' are similar to the 'experts' of AFL footy.
Imagine asking BT's for his expert AFL on matters.  :-[

Its relatively simple aerodynamics tradeoff. The faster the car in the straight, the slower the car in the corners.

The McLaren has always been that way, going back to the Senna days. McLaren was the fastest. The Ferrari was the best in corners and the Williams was bang in the middle of both. Made for good racing.

Re: Formula 1

Reply #153
Unfortunately for Ricciardo, there are more signs from the weekend he is losing the top support of his team. It's no accident weird little things keep going wrong with his race, it's all about being the team's B option.

You get the 2nd best engineers, the 2nd best parts, the 2nd best tyres, the 2nd best strategy, it all has an impact. 

He would have expected to arrive at McLaren as the A option, it'll be very hard for him to regain that ground now which is a bit sad, because it looks like when it is all equal he's as quick as ever.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Formula 1

Reply #154
Unfortunately for Ricciardo, there are more signs from the weekend he is losing the top support of his team. It's no accident weird little things keep going wrong with his race, it's all about being the team's B option.

You get the 2nd best engineers, the 2nd best parts, the 2nd best tyres, the 2nd best strategy, it all has an impact.

He would have expected to arrive at McLaren as the A option, it'll be very hard for him to regain that ground now which is a bit sad, because it looks like when it is all equal he's as quick as ever.

Things happen. There is a 50% chance that it will happen to him. Just because it does, it doesn't mean its because he is the 2nd driver.

You remind me of the guys you so often take aim at. Robbo and co with their sensationalist journalism.

Nothing to see here.

Re: Formula 1

Reply #155
Things happen. There is a 50% chance that it will happen to him. Just because it does, it doesn't mean its because he is the 2nd driver.

You remind me of the guys you so often take aim at. Robbo and co with their sensationalist journalism.

Nothing to see here.
Or you are in denial about the end approaching for Daniel, the drums are beating once the specialists starting talking about your issues and they are all over him at the moment. It's a brutal business.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Formula 1

Reply #156
Or you are in denial about the end approaching for Daniel, the drums are beating once the specialists starting talking about your issues and they are all over him at the moment. It's a brutal business.
As i said, they said the same about him in the early stages as renault.
Once he found his feet, results came.


Re: Formula 1

Reply #157
The end is nigh for Danny R.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Formula 1

Reply #158
The end is nigh for Danny R.
Yes, because he is the wrong side of 30.

....but not because of his results.

Its a 1000000 - 1 chance, but if McLaren sacked Ricciardo, he'd have no trouble finding a drive in 2022.

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Reply #159
Yes, because he is the wrong side of 30.

....but not because of his results.

Its a 1000000 - 1 chance, but if McLaren sacked Ricciardo, he'd have no trouble finding a drive in 2022.
With one of the back markers maybe.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time


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Reply #161
...but surely if he is past it, the back markers wouldn't want him either.....right?

Or perhaps he simply isn't past it.
Lets run through the teams
Maclaren-Gonski
Renault - No Chance
Ferrari - no, gone young
Red Bull - no, bridge burnt and they have Max and will go young after Perez
Merc-no, Mr Sat is next there, Lewis will be 50 and still driving the wheels off it
Alpha Tauri - See Red Bull plus gone young
Aston Martin - Stroll owns the team, Seb locked in for abit, could replace him
Alfa- Could replace Kimi
Williams- Could replace Mr Sat or Latifi
HAAS - gone young
As I said, back markers only
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Formula 1

Reply #162
...but surely if he is past it, the back markers wouldn't want him either.....right?

Or perhaps he simply isn't past it.
I think the lower teams would welcome up guys like Vettel, Alonso and Ricciardo as long as they fit their price to the budget and are willing. They might not be on the racing edge anymore, but they have the young guys done and dusted in terms of a lowly team gaining from top level experience and knowledge. Guys like Verstappen, Russell and Norris feed off the older guys to accelerate their progress, teams like McLaren need someone like Ricciardo in the squad because he's the one they would go to when they want to fix the problems.

It might we be a trick the weaker teams have missed, in that perhaps a lowly team should be offering a pair of the senior drivers some sort of duopoly partnership, but of course the drivers have to be willing. Get them off the bottom and up to technology and reliability speed then try a bleeding edge newbie.

Do not take my remarks as disrespect or dislike of Ricciardo, I barrack for him every race, but just like sMurph and Betts the end is nigh! Sure they still offer some highlights here and there, but they won't be 24x7 performers anymore. That's not to say they aren't invaluable off the field and to the team for lifting the kids to the required level.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #163
I think the lower teams would welcome up guys like Vettel, Alonso and Ricciardo as long as they fit their price to the budget and are willing. They might not be on the racing edge anymore, but they have the young guys done and dusted in terms of a lowly team gaining from top level experience and knowledge. Guys like Verstappen, Russell and Norris feed off the older guys to accelerate their progress, teams like McLaren need someone like Ricciardo in the squad because he's the one they would go to when they want to fix the problems.

It might we be a trick the weaker teams have missed, in that perhaps a lowly team should be offering a pair of the senior drivers some sort of duopoly partnership, but of course the drivers have to be willing. Get them off the bottom and up to technology and reliability speed then try a bleeding edge newbie.

Do not take my remarks as disrespect or dislike of Ricciardo, I barrack for him every race, but just like sMurph and Betts the end is nigh! Sure they still offer some highlights here and there, but they won't be 24x7 performers anymore. That's not to say they aren't invaluable off the field and to the team for lifting the kids to the required level.
Never rated him, never liked him. Comes across as full of himself. As for drinking out of sweaty race boot, as gross and as bogus as it gets.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Formula 1

Reply #164
Never rated him, never liked him. Comes across as full of himself. As for drinking out of sweaty race boot, as gross and as bogus as it gets.
I suppose a lot of Carlton fans lost support for him after the Carlton jumper incident, rolling up to our club and being presented with a jumper by SpecialK, then a few weeks later getting on the social media and telling everyone you are a Wet Toast supporter did not go down well!
The Force Awakens!