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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3120
So, to sum up: vaccines are dangerous and aren’t the answer but we shouldn’t have lockdowns or restrictions either. Just let it rip because people will be 100% after a while.

Operating businesses is a risk/reward scenario. If you’re unlucky enough to be starting out when a depression hits, you may lose your business. If you’ve started up a burger joint and a Maccas opens up across the road, good luck. In either case, you’re not going to get much of a chop out from government.

I wonder what country people think when owners of regional tourist venues demand that the government let Melburnians travel freely to their towns so their businesses will prosper. I wonder if any residents would prefer to see the infected stay where they are.

False, you are paraphrasing not summarising.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3121
And they'll live to tell the tale to their descendants, like so many of their ancestors who survived a war!

I have to wonder if those lonely and isolated might also be some of the most likely to suffer at the hands of Sars-CoV-2, disease tends to work that way.

Much of the commentary surrounding the pain of lockdown is a commentary about human nature, and not directly the effects of lockdown. I will continue to assert, if the dissenters went away, the lockdown would be swifter and more effective, and we might not be in the 3rd or 4th iteration. We do not have far to go to test this, interstate or Auckland will suffice.

I'll give you a nice example.
A small little local discrete private gym, frequented and subscribed to by a fairly affluent set. Many of these people are doctors, medical specialists, politicians, accountants, lawyers, well to dos, many merely inconvenienced by the lockdown. They go here because it's discrete, only a couple of hundred members and they won't run into people they do not want to talk to. For some their income is not diminished, for some they are even turning more profit not operating a mainstream office. But they can't go to gym so they cancel the $6 to $10/week memberships heaping duress on the little gym operator. If the gym survives, when things return to normal, patrons will have to sit in their and listen to them bragging about their favourite under $500 Burgundy, or their next holiday to a private French run Fiji resort, or how servicing costs of the Astin Martin have gone through the roof, if the gym survives. They have the power to maintain the quality of life and financial status of that gym operator, but instead they opt to save their pittance per week and suspend or cancel their memberships, what's in it for them after all they aren't getting their $6 worth! Of course if the gym operator doesn't survive the pandemic, they'll be sprouting soliloquys of such shame and pity, how harsh life can be!                 Such is human nature!

The ones that commit suicide wont live to tell the tale, and some of them wont really have a life post lockdown.  A lot of people have gone to the wall because of covid.
Come on you Blue FLAGGERS!!

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Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3122
The ones that commit suicide wont live to tell the tale, and some of them wont really have a life post lockdown.  A lot of people have gone to the wall because of covid.
 Yes, this is true.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3123
The ones that commit suicide wont live to tell the tale, and some of them wont really have a life post lockdown.  A lot of people have gone to the wall because of covid.
Agree, Hardly an ambulance call for actual CoVid cases...however attempted suicide calls and drug OD calls are way up every lockdown. Deaths in those cases wont make the news and wont be included as CoVid casualties.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3124
False, you are paraphrasing not summarising.
Either way would be valid. Paraphrasing is restating the meaning of a text or passage using other words (I’m paraphrasing an online dictionary here). So as both are legitimate techniques, feel free to address my post rather than blowing it off.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3125
A lot of people have gone to the wall because of covid.
Correct. Covid is the culprit. And it has killed a lot of people as well. Let’s make sure we beat it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3126
Let's see what evolves with China. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3127
Either way would be valid. Paraphrasing is restating the meaning of a text or passage using other words (I’m paraphrasing an online dictionary here). So as both are legitimate techniques, feel free to address my post rather than blowing it off.

You know what mav, I'm a public servant health care worker labor voter.  For some reason you keep calling me right wing.

You are deliberately painting the point I am not making.

1.  Im not an anti vaxer.
2.  Covid this far has caused less damage to Australia than the protective measures.


I have ust discovered inside word this lockdown has been a social engineering experiment to encourage vaccine take up and the biggest damage the panic lockdowns cause is faith in the pandemic message.

Ala the boy who cried wolf.

When the wolf comes this pandemic will be the reference point. 

As for rebutting your post, there's no point.  You will dismiss it like Trump would.
Come on you Blue FLAGGERS!!

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3128
Correct. Covid is the culprit. And it has killed a lot of people as well. Let’s make sure we beat it.

We aren't beating covid.  Its going to dissappear into nothing as the next version of a flu.
Come on you Blue FLAGGERS!!

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3129
Agree, Hardly an ambulance call for actual CoVid cases...however attempted suicide calls and drug OD calls are way up every lockdown. Deaths in those cases wont make the news and wont be included as CoVid casualties.
Can you point me to the source for this?

I just listened to some official who claimed this stuff and general crime was down 35%, based on reports from emergency services. Apparently there has just been a big national study completed as part of a global study.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3130
We aren't beating covid.  Its going to dissappear into nothing as the next version of a flu.

It will leave a massive legacy in many ways though in its impact on society, whether intended or not.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3131
Can you point me to the source for this?

I just listened to some official who claimed this stuff and general crime was down 35%, based on reports from emergency services. Apparently there has just been a big national study completed as part of a global study.
Two Ambulance Officers who work at Frankton and Dandenong and an ER nurse who works in the Eastern suburbs at a Public Hospital and another who works at an inner Melbourne hospital. You want the real facts about all the cock ups then you go to the people on the frontline not the massaged stats you read on govt websites etc..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3132
@Thryleon, I imagine if the boy cried wolf early on and 800 of the town’s flock had been slaughtered by the wolf, the townsfolk would have been a little more willing to heed his calls later on.

Unfortunately, human nature suggests otherwise. Case in point: hurricanes in the US. The hurricane warning system is pretty accurate. But of course hurricanes don’t follow a rigid path. They can and do change direction and lose strength. Many towns have dodged a bullet when this happens and the locals are cynical the next time a warning is issued. And then disaster strikes. The same could be said here about bushfire warnings.

As with hurricane warnings, epidemiologists can only call them as they see them and if we’re lucky and those predictions don’t pan out this time, we should just count our lucky stars.

If we want to draw a better analogy from the literary world, maybe epidemiologists are like Cassandra in Greek mythology. She was blessed by the Gods with the ability to foresee coming disasters but cursed by ensuring her warnings fell on deaf ears.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3133
Two Ambulance Officers who work at Frankton and Dandenong and an ER nurse who works in the Eastern suburbs at a Public Hospital and another who works at an inner Melbourne hospital. You want the real facts about all the cock ups then you go to the people on the frontline not the massaged stats you read on govt websites etc..
So that is no hard data, just a couple of opinions.

The 'official' I listened to was an academic summarising an independent international study that UNSW was participating in, not sure they have any reason to colour the results in the favour of Vic Health or Vic Pol, and the academics are probably socialist anyway! Are you asserting Scotty from Marketing is bending the arm of UNSW academics to bodgey up the records to make Dan Andrews look nice? :o

To me it sounded like the anonymised data came mostly from official unified Federal records. The study has not been released yet, it must still be in peer review, hopefully it appears on somewhere like The Conversation soon.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3134
LP you keep asking for data but if anyone puts up data that doesn't support your opinion you dismiss it. You do this with any topic on this forum.
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