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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3285
Yes, let’s open up to vaccinated people. Fully vaccinated people should have some sort of immunity/vaccine passport that allows them to bypass restrictions. But to make that fair in Australia, vaccinations have to be open to everybody who wants one (and to those who don’t but will have one to gain the benefits that go with the passport).

I’d imagine the right wingers will rise up as one against this idea, though, as they’ll say anti-vaxxers can’t be discriminated against. So we’re back to square one. We have to treat the vaccinated as if they haven’t been vaccinated.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3286
I agree. If I were appointed dictator for a day, I’d implement a vaccine passport without any reservations. But there’s no way the Federal Government will go there. The vaccinated will remain handcuffed to the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated will remain the dictionary definition of free riders.

Interesting article in The Atlantic: Expect the Unexpected From the Delta Variant.

It considers why the UK’s Alpha variant didn’t cause an expected Springtime wave in the US save for an outbreak in Michigan despite being 50% more transmissible than the original virus.

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Delta has gotten so much attention because it has the most troubling collection of traits yet: It is markedly more transmissible than Alpha, can sicken a large proportion of people who have had only one dose of a vaccine (though not those who have had two), and may even cause more severe disease. All of this is enough to be a warning, especially as Delta is now responsible for 10 percent of U.S. cases and rising. But as with Alpha, which was also suspected to be more severe, how the variant ends up behaving in the real world will depend on more than its biology. It will also depend on how we—the virus’s hosts—choose to behave, how many more people we vaccinate, and, to some extent, how lucky we get.

All of these factors are likely to have played a role in the Alpha-associated springtime spike in Michigan. According to cellphone mobility data from that period, people in the state had gone back to nearly pre-pandemic levels of movement, says Emily Martin, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan. The Alpha variant also got to Michigan relatively early, and happened to find its way into groups of young people who were not yet eligible to be vaccinated. “It was sort of bad timing,” Martin told me. If Alpha had arrived a little later, or the vaccines a little earlier, then Michigan might have looked more like the rest of the country, where immunization was able to blunt Alpha’s impact. In the race between variants and vaccines elsewhere in the U.S., vaccines won.

Two concepts about viral spread help explain why timing and chance make such a difference. First, the coronavirus spreads exponentially, which means that even a slight delay in mitigation efforts can lead to dramatically different outcomes. Second, the virus’s spread is what epidemiologists call “overdispersed,” which means that the majority of patients do not infect anyone else but a small handful might infect dozens of people. In other words, most sparks of infection do not catch fire. But occasionally a single infection might cause an early super-spreader event, which ends up seeding a major outbreak. “Looking from state to state, it can be like, ‘Well, why is this state doing well versus that state?’ Sometimes it’s just luck,” says Adam Lauring, a virologist at the University of Michigan.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3287
Studies suggest Covid (or some condition caused by Covid) shrinks parts of the brain and this brings with it concerns that it might set up dementia further down the road. The studies aren’t yet peer-reviewed though.

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3288
Doesn't that depend on where you are and when, go somewhere the health system is over run to reconfirm that and the story might be very different.

It seems our health system isn't over-run because of the aggressive restrictions, not in spite of them!

And I'll reiterate, COVID deaths are only one measure, long COVID is going to become a much bigger issue if effective treatments are not found. If the restrictions and lockdowns buy time to develop those treatments, then that is probably a good thing.

If too many 20 somethings get heart or kidney disease, that's a lifetime of care dollar$ we will all be subsidising, it is not an insignificant risk!

Our health system has never really been under pressure to date, even with the 100's of cases per day.

The lockdowns have caused more grief through the baby boom we are currently experiencing for the health services than covid ever caused.

That could change, but whilst we remain on the path to elimination it wont.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3289
What would your preferred solution be, Thryleon?


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3291
Gladys says hello! :o
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3292
To what?
If you were placed in charge, how would you deal with Covid without resorting to restrictions? Would you just trust that there’d be no spike in infections? Perhaps you wouldn’t care whether one occurred because it’s no big deal? But what would you do?

It’s easy to fixate on the costs of a course of action if you don’t have to worry about proposing alternatives. For instance, funding the military in Australia is a massive cost. There isn’t anyone trying to invade us now and absent the arrival of white colonists we’ve never been invaded before. So we could save a lot of money by disbanding the military.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3293
As LP noted, NSW is now facing a surge: 10 new cases. Perhaps Victoria overreacts to spikes but after a massive death toll when one got away from it, this is understandable. NSW has been lucky so far, but as the Atlantic article notes that may just have been due to the dumb luck of having no superspreaders in the past. If they’ve crapped out this time, Gladys’ reluctance to impose anything more than mask mandates might bite her in the arse.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3294
As LP noted, NSW is now facing a surge: 10 new cases. Perhaps Victoria overreacts to spikes but after a massive death toll when one got away from it, this is understandable. NSW has been lucky so far, but as the Atlantic article notes that may just have been due to the dumb luck of having no superspreaders in the past. If they’ve crapped out this time, Gladys’ reluctance to impose anything more than mask mandates might bite her in the arse.

...and let's see if the anti-Vic sentiment from the HUN (Rita P in particular) is taken up re NSW and their Premier!!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3295
For instance, funding the military in Australia is a massive cost. There isn’t anyone trying to invade us now and absent the arrival of white colonists we’ve never been invaded before. So we could save a lot of money by disbanding the military.

Defence spending is 2.1% of GDP ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3296
As LP noted, NSW is now facing a surge: 10 new cases. Perhaps Victoria overreacts to spikes but after a massive death toll when one got away from it, this is understandable. NSW has been lucky so far, but as the Atlantic article notes that may just have been due to the dumb luck of having no superspreaders in the past. If they’ve crapped out this time, Gladys’ reluctance to impose anything more than mask mandates might bite her in the arse.
 It'll be different now, it's in a Liberal state and it is in Scotty's backyard, he'll call in the army!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3297
Defence spending is 2.1% of GDP ...
So, it’s just US$34 billion per year. Imagine what we could do with that. Free uni courses, much better healthcare, schooling, infrastructure etc.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3298
Is Gladys is playing Federal sponsored roulette with people's physical wellbeing and welfare purely for political gain, or is it a balanced approach?

If the crape hits the fan it'll be labelled irresponsible roulette, if it levels out they call her a genius, despite the outcome being mostly left to chance!

They can't pull the trigger, so they are going to creep up to the cliff edge and hope they have time to change their mind before they fall!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3299
So, it’s just US$34 billion per year. Imagine what we could do with that. Free uni courses, much better healthcare, schooling, infrastructure etc.

And destroy alliances, international commitments in a threatened world?  This isn't the utopian land of Star Trek.  Or surrender monkeys.