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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #45 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
When a team sees its leaders making mistakes and, in one or two cases giving away goals or missing easy shots, then confidence gets shattered and mistakes escalate. That's one factor, a big one imo, in last night's performance and it has no doubt set us back again. We will no doubt be working to try harder next week but I'm afraid the bagatelle is going to continue until this is resolved however which way. Teams know our weak spots and go straight for them.
Our weak spot is telling us how good we are and what Stars we have and how we are a hard team.
Feed enough carp.....
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #46 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Scoreboard flattered us Paul, they had two players down and just dropped a gear in the last quarter.
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They are a top 4 team with plenty of quality and depth, and we are team trying to make finals with our own set of problems.

This particular game is a bit of a paradox. If you look at general play, then yes, I agree the scoreline did flatter us. If you look at shots on goal, marks I50 and other factors, I would say if anything, the scoreline flattered them. Our skills were terrible, and despite that, if we kicked as straight as them we were in with a real chance.


Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #47 –
Goalkicking... You are either a good kick or a poor one, practising might fix a few players but not many. Cripps is terrible and that isn't going to change, Levi was on last night but  most times is iffy as we know and its been like that his whole career.
The Port kid Georgidias kicks like an arrow and knows forward craft in comparison.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #48 –
Got to love people defending the honourable loss their blind support of the club no matter what happens on the field is fabulous. They say it was only 28 points and use stats to say we were in the game and that with only slight tinkering we will be competing for a flag. I used to be one! But week after week poor decision making in drafting, development, coaching tactics, disposal and general football smarts brings us back to reality and disappointment..  We will win a few matches here and there in crappy scrappy games and see the odd flash of what it takes but when it comes to competing against the better clubs we are put back to our real level of average lower ranked team who nobody fears playing.  Only two players have football smarts and composure Walsh and Weitering the rest seem to think the best way forward is to put it high in the air to gibbons or betts and let the opposition mark over them 🙄 we kicked scrappy points from set shots and long snaps because we don’t have the skill to figure out what the situation calls for as we move into the forward 50 or how to read leading patterns I used to think one day a switch would flick on and we would rise to our potential and be world beaters.  I don’t know how they can fix it quick but honourable losses are not doing it for me, no joy in following the Blues and when people ask me who I follow it will always be Carlton but not with the passion and pride I used to

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #49 –
Gibbons is another one that has smarts.

Knows how to find the footy.  Unfortunately his execution can be off.  This was never going to be a win.

Im watching a team trying its guts out to stay in games but just keeps making mistakes.

Zac Williams isn't right.  He probably shouldn't have played last night.  That was a mistake to play him.  Is ball use is excellent and we aren't seeing the best version of him while he's playing on one leg.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #50 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Newnes attempt to tackle Amon... Weak half arsed effort. Mcgovern had to go in the 2nd quarter, pulled out on a high ball yep McKay was also coming at the ball but that's why J. Brown was part of three premierships, they don't think they just go harder.
Port switched play several times and several Carlton players gave up and watched.
You know why Ports skills are good, zero pressure from our blokes...
I saw this incident differently.

McKay had the sit.  He either shepherds his opponent out for mcgovern to take the mark, or calls mcgovern to go.  McKay did neither and as a result they both cooked it.

At least thats a stuff up of communication and from what I could see McKay was the one who needed to make the call as mcgovern was looking back over his shoulder running with the flight of the ball and McKay was the one who could see it unfold.

Not good enough to blame mcgovern.  He can't have 360 degree vision whilst Harry is having a picnic.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #51 –
My impression was that last nights effort was a very 'individual' one.
Not a lot of 'team' in that performance.
Not much system or structure.

That's a symptom of an 'unsettled' side that hasn't really had a lot of time of many players playing together.
Now every side gets injuries and seasons can get disrupted by them.
But a 'rebuild' is a different dynamic.
Because each season you get a turnover and influx of new players that need to gel.

If they did one of those 'sociogram type' surveys... (Not who you enjoy playing with but...How many games has player A played in the same side as player X,Y and Z ).... it would be all over the shop.
It's especially so in our forward half.

Port on the other hand played like a settled side, they just seemed to know where to put the ball to find a team-mate.
Not that they were great...they were pretty ordinary, and seemed to do just what they needed to do to get the job done.

Anyway we move on.
Stocker's earned a game.
McGovern seemed a lot more comfortable down back  so if he continues to get game time give him some extended time down there.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #52 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Scoreboard flattered us Paul, they had two players down and just dropped a gear in the last quarter.
re Comments on  Williams... Good player but not a true mid, can't get much over 20 possies a game. His possies are generally good but like Martin doesn't get enough ball like the real specialist mids.
We bought a classy half back but only a handy part time mid.



It was an 80 point loss.

If Cripps is staying, put out the presser.

Teague - outclassed again. Zero tactical nous.

Kennedy on a wing?

Our lack of 'team' is glaringly obvious. Where was the help for Pitto ffs?

Ball use/delivery appalling. Decision making non existent.

Port played in 2nd gear most of the night. We couldn't even drop the clutch.

Cripps trying to be the hero....

Murphy stank it up - one effort down the wing (right in front of us) he ran forward not even watching his team mate with ball nor the ball.

When he finally turned, the ball was 30m behind him.

I laughed.

So who at CFC will make something change?

2 out of 5 games this year (that's 40%) have seen totally unacceptable levels of effort (let alone skill) from too many of the 22.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #53 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
I saw this incident differently.

McKay had the sit.  He either shepherds his opponent out for mcgovern to take the mark, or calls mcgovern to go.  McKay did neither and as a result they both cooked it.

At least thats a stuff up of communication and from what I could see McKay was the one who needed to make the call as mcgovern was looking back over his shoulder running with the flight of the ball and McKay was the one who could see it unfold.

Not good enough to blame mcgovern.  He can't have 360 degree vision whilst Harry is having a picnic.
Someone had to go, you often see two players from the same team collide with the ball the only object.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #54 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Goalkicking... You are either a good kick or a poor one, practising might fix a few players but not many. Cripps is terrible and that isn't going to change, Levi was on last night but  most times is iffy as we know and its been like that his whole career.
The Port kid Georgidias kicks like an arrow and knows forward craft in comparison.


And yet he (Cripps) kicked two good goals from near on 50 last week.

Don't agree with that. It's all in his head....

All that said, that wa a morale sapping miss.

But again, you could tell from the first bounce our energy levels were zapped.

(been saying that for 15 years!)
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #55 –
NO LEADERSHIP.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Lods on
My impression was that last nights effort was a very 'individual' one.
Not a lot of 'team' in that performance.
Not much system or structure.

That's a symptom of an 'unsettled' side that hasn't really had a lot of time of many players playing together.
Now every side gets injuries and seasons can get disrupted by them.
But a 'rebuild' is a different dynamic.
Because each season you get a turnover and influx of new players that need to gel.

If they did one of those 'sociogram type' surveys... (Not who you enjoy playing with but...How many games has player A played in the same side as player X,Y and Z ).... it would be all over the shop.
It's especially so in our forward half.

Something else its a system of......following the captains lead.

IMO Cripps was the most selfish of all, most individual of all.
Teague needs to give him both barrels in the review.

"If you are running through the centre and have a good kicking teammate next to you.....give it to him! You do not finish off enough of those kicks and we get hurt on the rebound because of it.....and you can't/don't chase. So either learn to kick, or better yet, don't attempt it! Next time you burn a teammate by not giving a handball, you are dropped!"

If he doesn't like it, start working on a trade back to WA now.

As a captain of the club, its simply not good enough, week in week out. Multiple times a game.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #57 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
And yet he (Cripps) kicked two good goals from near on 50 last week.

Don't agree with that. It's all in his head....

All that said, that wa a morale sapping miss.

But again, you could tell from the first bounce our energy levels were zapped.

(been saying that for 15 years!)
Cripps is like Levi, will have the odd night out... Robbie Gray kicks straight every week like Jack Reiwoldt and it looks like the kid from Port is the same. Think Dunstall commented on his perfect kicking action.
Id back Gray and Georgiades every day of the week vs Levi and Cripps..

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #58 –
Quote from: PaulP on
They are a top 4 team with plenty of quality and depth, and we are team trying to make finals with our own set of problems.

This particular game is a bit of a paradox. If you look at general play, then yes, I agree the scoreline did flatter us. If you look at shots on goal, marks I50 and other factors, I would say if anything, the scoreline flattered them. Our skills were terrible, and despite that, if we kicked as straight as them we were in with a real chance.



Richmond often lose clearance stats, I50's, etc, good carlton teams would dominate a quarter usually the 3rd and win games but other teams would have more play and waste the ball.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #59 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Cripps is like Levi, will have the odd night out... Robbie Gray kicks straight every week like Jack Reiwoldt and it looks like the kid from Port is the same. Think Dunstall commented on his perfect kicking action.
Id back Gray and Georgiades every day of the week vs Levi and Cripps..

That wasn't the discussion EB. The who you'd back answer no one disputes.

I'm simply suggesting last night, Cripps' head, like most of his team mates, was not where it should be....why? No idea.

But it's like they'e checked out before the game even starts.

One of my non CFC supporting mates sitting with me suggested the lads had rolled a fwe reefers before the game....they were that 'off'.
Finals, then 4 in a row!