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There were a few tackles executed by the Swans with tackles that were at the top of the neck in a very "pressure point" type hold which I found interesting.

They were dirty/play on the edge. We are the nice team and nice teams rarely win flags.
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Quote from: madbluboy on May 31, 2021, 07:15:43 pm

They were dirty/play on the edge. We are the nice team and nice teams rarely win flags.

The hard bump on McKay in the first quarter also looked like it was an direction that any time they can hit him fairly on the shoulder go for it.

Cripps too was jumped into hard on his back more then a few times which he wasn’t happy about.

They play hard and play to win. Kinda wish our guys had the same hard nut mindset.

They were dirty/play on the edge. We are the nice team and nice teams rarely win flags.

I'm intrigued by the persistence of this idea, but I'm not sure whether it persists in the minds of supporters, or whether it persists in actuality. If it's the former, I have nothing further to say. If it's the latter, I'd be curious to know why this is still an issue, given that I have been reading about this since I started on these forums more than 15 years ago. In that time, we have changed everything multiple times, and I'm wondering what we need to do eradicate it ?

Change the recruiting criteria to allow for some players who enjoy the contest a bit harder but might not
be the right fit for Sunday School and the types who when they ask for their steak rare want it still kicking on the plate...
I dont think its any secret that a lot of the other clubs think we can be intimidated with a bit of physicality, not king hits but just that extra vigour in the contest or a push and shove until we capitulate.
Until we have players who can deliver and respond to that physicality we will be seen as weak and will have our better players targeted. I remember Cripps got targeted by both Jordan Lewis and Viney from Melbourne one game and none of our players did anything and were just too meek and mild. It sets a bad example and tells the other team if we go harder in the big moments the Navy Blue boys will just roll over.
Hope Harry McKay was watching Buddy....Harry is a nice guy, Buddy didnt get to the status he has being nice, dont think I have ever seen Harry lay a bump or doing anything remotely nasty.

MRO
Mills fined $1500 for whacking Stockers in the gonads.
Wicks fined $1000 for misconduct towards Weitering.
Buddy no case to answer despite making contact with Newmans head

"Contact between Sydney Swans’ Lance Franklin and Carlton’s Nic Newman from the second quarter of Sunday’s match, between the Sydney Swans and Carlton was assessed. The ball is kicked towards the Sydney forward line. Newman attempts to take possession of the ball at half forward. As Newman turns front on to gain possession of the loose ball, Franklin approaches and contact is made, including high contact. It was the view of the MRO that there was insufficient force to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken."

It was dangerous what Buddy did and he should have been suspended...it was the old Champs call vs the no name player.

I guess the point I was making is that the personal pronoun "we" as it relates to the club, and as it relates to this topic, encompasses hundreds and possibly thousands of changes in every department, over the last 15 or 20 years. Hundreds of players, a few different recruiters, numerous senior coaches, assistant coaches, heads of football, recruiters, list managers, board members, presidents etc. Notwithstanding all this, the failures of the previous recruiter / coach / player etc., become part of the identity of the successor, since when someone fails, the successor defines themselves (at least in part) in opposition to what has come before. They don't copy each other, and they are chosen as successors precisely because they offer a point of difference to their predecessor. There is a specific attempt made to disconnect from the past and fix those errors. And yet across these numerous changes and attempts to fix the errors of the past, the niceness persists...............

I guess the point I was making is that the personal pronoun "we" as it relates to the club, and as it relates to this topic, encompasses hundreds and possibly thousands of changes in every department, over the last 15 or 20 years. Hundreds of players, a few different recruiters, numerous senior coaches, assistant coaches, heads of football, recruiters, list managers, board members, presidents etc. Notwithstanding all this, the failures of the previous recruiter / coach / player etc., become part of the identity of the successor, since when someone fails, the successor defines themselves (at least in part) in opposition to what has come before. They don't copy each other, and they are chosen as successors precisely because they offer a point of difference to their predecessor. There is a specific attempt made to disconnect from the past and fix those errors. And yet across these numerous changes and attempts to fix the errors of the past, the niceness persists...............

It was dangerous what Buddy did and he should have been suspended...it was the old Champs call vs the no name player.

Brisbane have gone well past us but I'll reserve my opinion on Essendon.....still relying on unpredictable types like Stringer to win them games and I dont think Merrett, Parish, Heppell, Shiel etc are my idea of a finals winning midfield setup.