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Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #60
They would be the weakest team in the comp based on who they are fielding this week - no excuses will save us if we lose this one.

Surely for once we can get an early lead and enjoy a comfortable win.

If we are even half the team we should be we will win this by 6 plus goals.


Nearly all in our favour we hope ...

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #61
These are exactly the types of games we lose. They have many outs, are away from their fortress, coming of a loss. But, they are above us on the ladder which we seem to be able to turn into the biggest obstacle of all.
This is one we should win and win well, they have key players out everywhere and kids that most of us wouldnt even have seen before. Midfield is still decent but both their back line and forward line are missing key players, Harry to kick a bundle and Walsh BOG. I agree we are so unreliable you are never sure but this is a very important game for the coach and if the players want him coaching next year then they need to win this game.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #62
With all those eagles players out we will still bloody well loose

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #63
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.

Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.




Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #64
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates.
Makes a big difference having General or dozen out there, not a sheep to be seen!

People focus on the stars, but for me Brad Pearce was the guy who made the most that season, I think he had 7 shots in the GF, not bad as a medium forward. Mind you Williams had 8, but we are talking a different class of player there.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #65
Makes a big difference having General or dozen out there, not a sheep to be seen!

Certainly does.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #66
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.

Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.




Correction, there was nothing individual about that team, they were a Champion Team as well as a Team of Champions. Coached themselves virtually (Parkin's words not mine), I doubt I will ever see a Carlton side like that again in my lifetime.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #67
Coached themselves virtually (Parkin's words not mine),
This is the key difference between our current team and Nthmond's, and our current club culture and Nthmond's.

I suppose it's easy to identify and hard to replicate, but it's clearly been our problem for Carlton for some time now, and I think it's a big part of why we never have massive wins.

You can be as keen as mustard, but if your solution to the problem is to sprint to the coach at 1/4-time and ask "How do we fix it boss?" your team is going nowhere. Nthmond see a momentum swing 5mins into the Qtr, and 30s later guys like Cotchin, Dusty, Grimes, Riewoldt and Rance are doing something about it! Dimma gets some credit for this, he saw a bunch of fathead assistants getting in the way of the good footballers he had on the list and gave the assistants the ar5e!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #68
This is the key difference between our current team and Nthmond's, and our current club culture and Nthmond's.

I suppose it's easy to identify and hard to replicate, but it's clearly been our problem for Carlton for some time now, and I think it's a big part of why we never have massive wins.

You can be as keen as mustard, but if your solution to the problem is to sprint to the coach at 1/4-time and ask "How do we fix it boss?" your team is going nowhere. Nthmond see a momentum swing 5mins into the Qtr, and 30s later guys like Cotchin, Dusty, Grimes, Riewoldt and Rance are doing something about it! Dimma gets some credit for this, he saw a bunch of fathead assistants getting in the way of the good footballers he had on the list and gave the assistants the ar5e!
Let the cobblers cobble huh? Also interesting is how far the input from players at Rich has spread. I hear that lesser likes such as Castagna and Edwards have great footy brains and make alot of calls/changes on field. Again, credit to Dimma for instilling this liberty on them. I do see Cripps attempting to direct traffic and call plays at bounces and stoppages. I see SOS And Eddie doing it abit in the fwd line, but thats about it. Most of our blokes are like hatchlings in a nest looking up beak open waiting for a feed.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #69
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.

Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.

Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.




I remember that game well, I was standing behind the goals at the Lygon St end - even more interesting, it came immediately after our two worst games for the season (the only 2 we lost).  They fronted up against Hawthorn and absolutely steamrolled them, 15 more wins after that  including the flag.

Sometimes, a line in the sand game can snowball into a run of top performances (crosses fingers for Sunday and beyond...)
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #70
we are expected to win /expectations carry's a lot of weight and good side take that pressure and perform or rise to occasion . No excuses this week.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #71
Let the cobblers cobble huh? Also interesting is how far the input from players at Rich has spread. I hear that lesser likes such as Castagna and Edwards have great footy brains and make alot of calls/changes on field. Again, credit to Dimma for instilling this liberty on them. I do see Cripps attempting to direct traffic and call plays at bounces and stoppages. I see SOS And Eddie doing it abit in the fwd line, but thats about it. Most of our blokes are like hatchlings in a nest looking up beak open waiting for a feed.
Matty Wright was a big voice for us on the field especially organizing the forwards as was Daisy, when you look at what Wright gave us and what we have got out of some of these mega recruits it makes me angry. Big dollars and draft picks but a delisted free agent like Wright gave us way more and most weeks was a decent contributor.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #72
EB....I'd put Newnes in that category too. Cost us nothing and was solid, without being spectacular, in pretty much every game last year.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #73
EB....I'd put Newnes in that category too. Cost us nothing and was solid, without being spectacular, in pretty much every game last year.
Yep..I'm not anti Newnes and Kruds boy has given us what we paid for, I think he is good for 15-20 possies each week and the odd goal and is/was holding the fort on the wing until we get something better.
Krud did suggest we dont really have any specialist wingers that have shown anything and its a position we need to fill....some merit in that call. I like a tall winger  on one wing and a pacy one on the other.
As I said in a previous post we seem to throw failed or surplus players from other positions on the wing and maybe we have undervalued those spots as Krud suggested.
Prof E made a good call on Lachie Sholl from the Crows when he was up for grabs but we ignored him and he is exactly what we needed on one wing with pace, good kicking and he can find plenty of ball, real shame seeing him in Crows Colours given he had a connection to us via his father being an ex player.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #74
I had Setterfield pegged as a tall wingman type but he's shown nothing really IMO. I'd have Newnes in the team before him. I wonder if they think Boyd is an option on the wing....which would likely mean LOB has had his papers stamped too. We seem to have an over-supply of small/medium half back types on the books.....Saad, Docherty, Newman, Williamson....Docherty has been okay when playing up the field a bit but his turnovers in recent weeks have killed us. I look at someone like Andrew Gaff and see a specialist wingman type.....good user of the ball and plays between the arcs.

Newnes hit the scoreboard pretty regularly too last year.