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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #15 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Been going on for a while, think Nathan Buckley started it a while back, rather than trying to stop Cripps you run a good player off him and hope he can cause more damage because Cripps is incapable of manning up on anyone as he is too slow. Cripps needs to learn how to play forward more so we can rotate more mids who can stop that ploy.

Yep, unfortunately he isn't skilled, quick or crafty enough to play as a forward. Been a complete liability for the majority of the last two years.

Six years to go.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #16 –
Like most, I was expecting a win today, but to be fair, GC has been up and down like a yo yo this season. Their good is pretty good. The only question for me was whether last week was the straw that broke the camel's back, or whether it would fire them up for this week. I guess now we know.

It certainly wasn't a one sided affair, but they were the better team in the end.

Maybe the boys have already been told Teague is on the way out.

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Reply #17 –
Well I hope that solves the question of blokes like LOB! A few others can go too Like Newnes etc get some tougher players who thrive on the contest and hitting the packs, tackling by grinding a player into the ground letting them know they've been in a contest and earned every point. Doesn’t matter now get Murph to 300 and play anyone like Kemp etc who haven’t played and give them a taste even if they haven’t earned it or aren’t in the correct “training block”

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #18 –
LoB's papers are probably stamped, but to be fair, we had plenty of average players today. He wasn't our worst by any stretch IMO.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #19 –
There are a few things that I comment on EVERY GAME.  When the opposition have the ball not a single Carlton player looks for an opposition player that is in a position to receive a pass and then run HARD to close that opportunity for them.                                                   

Every game, players (especially Weitering) do NOT look at their opponent when standing their mark but rather look at the umpire.   This season it is easier to hear what the umpire is saying so there is no need to look at him for information but to  just concentrate on the body and eyes of your opponent to give yourself a possible advantage.

Lack of speed to the ball.  If a player gets to the ball first easily he has a great advantage over his opponents.  If still hard pressed then you still have time to kick the ball off the ground.

Too many players left in the dark when being hard-chased.  No team-mates yelling advice.

AND MANY OTHER SMALL DETAILS TO NUMEROUS TO LIST HERE.

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Reply #20 –
Carltonitis: a new psychiatric condition describing a group of people living in a delusional world who have the belief that Carlton will one day make the final 8.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #21 –
Quote from: chalkybill on
There are a few things that I comment on EVERY GAME.  When the opposition have the ball not a single Carlton player looks for an opposition player that is in a position to receive a pass and then run HARD to close that opportunity for them.                                                   

Every game, players (especially Weitering) do NOT look at their opponent when standing their mark but rather look at the umpire.   This season it is easier to hear what the umpire is saying so there is no need to look at him for information but to  just concentrate on the body and eyes of your opponent to give yourself a possible advantage.

Lack of speed to the ball.  If a player gets to the ball first easily he has a great advantage over his opponents.  If still hard pressed then you still have time to kick the ball off the ground.

Too many players left in the dark when being hard-chased.  No team-mates yelling advice.

AND MANY OTHER SMALL DETAILS TO NUMEROUS TO LIST HERE.

Speed or intent?

Some weeks they're fine, indeed very good

Today, no one wanted it. No one.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #22 –
Cr@p side going backwards. Wish we played all our games on Sunday night.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #23 –
Quote from: Stone Motherless on
Yep, unfortunately he isn't skilled, quick or crafty enough to play as a forward. Been a complete liability for the majority of the last two years.

Six years to go.

Very harsh.

No doubt he has his limitations but his strength is in winning contested ball and he is that good at it that every single team in the comp would love having him in their midfield group playing that exact role which considering where we are says enough to suggest he is far from a problem in our team.

The issue with our club is Cripps weakness is highlighted in every loss by the lack of defensive cover from the remaining midfield group who overall apart from Walsh are plodders at best. Its a simplistic approach to suggest Cripps lack of defensive running is a major reason we get slaughter in the midfield most weeks. The lack of running midfielders depth wise we have is alarming and until we get adequate support in there nothing will change.  Kennedy, Dow and Setterfield are not the answer. 

Do you think Dusty Martin has ever been a hard 2 way runner? Judd at his best looked lazy defensively at times.  The very best mids usually have this as a weaknesses - its just that the better teams have the players in that area that provide the cover to stop their champs being exploited.

We dont have that luxury.
    

 

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Reply #24 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
Speed or intent?

Some weeks they're fine, indeed very good

Today, no one wanted it. No one.


This says it all really and im not convinced a simple coach change fixes this.

It was a big if, but if we won our last 3 remaining games we were more then 50/50 to play finals yet it looked like the intensity was not there and the lowly GC wanted the win more then our guys. If you let that sink in you really cant fathom WTF is wrong still with this playing group.

The supporters want success more then the majority of the playing group. Considering our last 6 years in the wilderness you would think any group of real sportsmen would have been breathing fire for the last 3 weeks with the chance of finals on the line

Sadly way too many of our blokes just don't want it enough.  

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #25 –
Quote from: shawny on
Very harsh.

No doubt he has his limitations but his strength is in winning contested ball and he is that good at it that every single team in the comp would love having him in their midfield group playing that exact role which considering where we are says enough to suggest he is far from a problem in our team.

The issue with our club is Cripps weakness is highlighted in every loss by the lack of defensive cover from the remaining midfield group who overall apart from Walsh are plodders at best. Its a simplistic approach to suggest Cripps lack of defensive running is a major reason we get slaughter in the midfield most weeks. The lack of running midfielders depth wise we have is alarming and until we get adequate support in there nothing will change.  Kennedy, Dow and Setterfield are not the answer. 

Do you think Dusty Martin has ever been a hard 2 way runner? Judd at his best looked lazy defensively at times.  The very best mids usually have this as a weaknesses - its just that the better teams have the players in that area that provide the cover to stop their champs being exploited.

We dont have that luxury.
    

 

You're not lumping Cripps in with Dusty are you? Not in the same postcode. I love the guy, but be honest, Cripps doesn't impact going fwd.

Watch who the opposition send to him, then watch how effective that player is around the ground. Coaches target him and it costs us every game. Yes it's a 'team' midfield and we are very shallow, but crippa is almost a lead weight on that group of aforementioned C-graders.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #26 –
Quote from: Stone Motherless on
You're not lumping Cripps in with Dusty are you? Not in the same postcode. I love the guy, but be honest, Cripps doesn't impact going fwd.

Watch who the opposition send to him, then watch how effective that player is around the ground. Coaches target him and it costs us every game. Yes it's a 'team' midfield and we are very shallow, but crippa is almost a lead weight on that group of aforementioned C-graders.
We could 2 years ago when he was near enough the best player in the comp.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #27 –
If not for Weitering and Jones this year, where would we be?

Well, Mr Sayers, you'll need an icy objectivity to address our on-field issues. Hopefully you won't defer to sentimentality, populist or half-@rsed processes when addressing the imperative changes needed in our footy department. Poor leadership, poor discipline, dying culture... astounding incompetence for so long from a once great club. And the proof of this is on full display most weeks, on the field. Just enough good performances occur to give us confidence in the list, but it stops there.

I commented at the beginning of the year, after a few rounds, that we've been conned again. Enormous credit must go to the marketing/PR and media departments for such an effective 'sell.' But if we go into 2022 with many of the same faces in the footy department, that will be an impossible 'sell.' A lot of faith, if not already gone, is wavering. There is very little confidence in our present leadership.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #28 –
Most disappointing part is we are good enough to play finals. For 2 years we have been in some sort of contention late in the year with most of a season of half assed efforts. All we needed was a consistent effort week in, week out. That's the most disappointing by far, worse than being just plainly 5hit. What AFL player in his right mind doesn't care enough about playing finals. A Carlton one of course.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #29 –
Correct me if I am wrong but team defence and 'system' is coaching driven.

https://youtu.be/1hqYj4cYrJQ