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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #45 –
Quote from: LordLucifer on
Before last week's game against the Crows, we had four chances to win the one match we require to capture a finals birth.

After playing the weakest of the upcoming opposition teams, we still need to win one match.
Matt Rendell said on SEN that the Crows have been playing with heaps of physical pressure for a few weeks now and they gave Sydney a fright the week before they beat us. Their ladder position doesn’t reflect their strength at the moment. The injuries we suffered are more worrying than the loss to the Crows.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Mav on
Matt Rendell said on SEN that the Crows have been playing with heaps of physical pressure for a few weeks now and they gave Sydney a fright the week before they beat us. Their ladder position doesn’t reflect their strength at the moment. The injuries we suffered are more worrying than the loss to the Crows.
Lost three of the past five games leading up to the finals, think we need to stop deflecting and saying how physical the Crows play and face reality we are struggling and have too many of our good players out of form including the coach..

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #47 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Lost three of the past five games leading up to the finals, think we need to stop deflecting and saying how physical the Crows play and face reality we are struggling and have too many of our good players out of form including the coach..

Yep - very wobbly forward of center and on the flanks and Harry has kicked three goals in three games and dropping basically everything. Not a good time to be out of form.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #48 –
Quote from: pinot on
Yep - very wobbly forward of center and on the flanks and Harry has kicked three goals in three games and dropping basically everything. Not a good time to be out of form.
Ill say one thing in Harry's defence and that's the delivery to him. Its been atrocious. FFS can they try kicking out in front of him so he can attack it arms outstretched? They bomb it high on his head and he gets mauled by two or three every time.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Ill say one thing in Harry's defence and that's the delivery to him. Its been atrocious. FFS can they try kicking out in front of him so he can attack it arms outstretched? They bomb it high on his head and he gets mauled by two or three every time.
Lost confidence in his kicking too, that banana from 15m showed where his brain is and he needs to stop overthinking the basics.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #50 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Lost confidence in his kicking too, that banana from 15m showed where his brain is and he needs to stop overthinking the basics.
Harry has proven to perform best when he sticks to his routine. Charlie doesn't do routine well, he is better when he plays on, swings around and bangs it low and hard. I think both have strayed from what works best for them. Having said that, everything starts from defence, run and carry and aggressive kicks. We have strayed from this also and it shows up the ground. When we were challenged, we turned the screws up and ran harder again, we have strayed from this also.
All of the above comes down to attitude, we have gone from selfless to selfish. Cripps and Walsh had 80 of the most useless possessions I have seen in a long time. Id prefer 20 and 4 goals from Cripss for eg.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #51 –
It's interesting or curious to read the RIley Beveridge report on what has gone wrong based on recent stats, or reading stats analysis in most of the media for that matter, because they tend to report the stats like they are the cause rather than the effect. As if the coach just has to go out there and demand fix this stat, we want bigger or better, and all will be good.

But the reality is the stats are an effect not a cause, they are an effect of internal tactics, skills and methods, and they are an effect of opposition tactics, skills and methods, people can become obsessed with the stats and miss the root problem altogether.

From what I can tell early in the season, we did the fundamentals well, better than we have done them for decades, some sacrifice, looking after those around you, putting the team first, and enjoying the footy. As the season has progressed much of this seems to have dropped away.

Stats are not a cure all, they often just report the deviation about the mean, a bit like the commentators banging on about BigH or Charlie kicking around the body rather than drop punts. Early in the season they were unconventional superstars, now the pendulum has swung the other way ever so slightly and the commentators peg the same two acts as costly errors, simply for "bizarrely not kicking drop punts".

Oddly the media quote stats in boosting their argument, but if I recall it was stats that determined the technique BigH and Charlie use, the media pick and choose the stats they like to report when in reality you have to look at them all because where one stat falls another will rise.

The media do not get it at all, yet most of the same media types probably go out and try to practise the draw or fade before they play a round of golf. Fans would do well to listen to them a little less, and support their players a little more!

Voss has to stick fat with his players on stuff like that, exerting a bit of pressure as a result of something so trivial as a short term swing in the stats could be the thread that unravels the team, Charlie and BigH need to ignore the short term and trust the long term stats.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #52 –
I didn't get that impression. I think the article was simply pointing out comparative numbers between games we win and games we lose. It stated the what, not the why. The key takeaway from that article IMO is that we are a black and white team - either on or off. It's not just the contested game that falls away in losses. The uncontested game falls away as well.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #53 –
I hate when the media use stats against us, especially goals and behinds.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #54 –
Let's be honest, the stat that is hurting us the most is that over the past 10 weeks, we are only breaking even in the 'W' and 'L' column....

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This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #55 –
Quote from: tonyo on
Let's be honest, the stat that is hurting us the most is that over the past 10 weeks, we are only breaking even in the 'W' and 'L' column....

Yep, and this is historic. Our back half of the season has been an issue for years.

Hopefully the club / coaches are acknowledging the reality and doing something about it. I suspect we have the group who will act. You don't want to blow the issues out of proportion, but you don't want to minimize them (sweep under the mat) either. Might need less conservatism at the selection table as well.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #56 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
If Richmond beat Port this week we will most likely have to win 2 more games.
13 wins would likely do it, although not 100%. 2 wins actually puts us into a decent position for top 4 after a hitting the ladder predictor. No wins, well......

St.Kilda's run is as bad as ours.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #57 –
After a few very poor years previous I remember being dumped out of the finals last match in 1992 after being in all year. Did set up our next few years though leading to the 1995 flag.

Melbourne screwed up in 2020 finishing 9th after a couple of late bad losses.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #58 –
Quote from: laj on
13 wins would likely do it, although not 100%. 2 wins actually puts us into a decent position for top 4 after a hitting the ladder predictor. No wins, well......

St.Kilda's run is as bad as ours.

Have you looked at who the tigers and dogs are playing?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #59 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Have you looked at who the tigers and dogs are playing?
Yes, done the ladder predictor. We can miss with 13 as a worst case but not that likely won't as things don't always work out as predicted.

Tigers tough one is this week against Port in Adelaide. Finished strong last week to win but did fall 42 pts behind. Before that their form was poor. Dogs and Tigers struggled this this because they were losing to sides they shouldn't.

Missing with 13 wins would be disappointing but it's a big improvement and a good springboard for future years.