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So he knew he was injured, was forced to play and now has broken down. Smart move CFC.....if true.

So he knew he was injured, was forced to play and now has broken down. Smart move CFC.....if true.

At this particular time there appears to be a large crop of KPPs in this draft, not so many true ruckmen. However, it would not surprise me at all if we drafted a young ruckman and rookied another. A couple of years back we picked a beauty in Sam Jacobs as a rookie. We can do that again, or perhaps trade for a kid like Lycett who is going to struggle to get games with the Weagles if Natanui and Cox stay fit.
This crop is not as well endowed with mids, but there are some nice ones and a few kids with real electric pace. Young Touk Miller from Calder, for example.

Quote from: MosquitoFleet on March 28, 2014, 03:47:00 pm

Quote from: age on March 28, 2014, 03:33:54 pm

HUN reporting that Kruezer could miss 6 to 8 weeks  with his foot injury.

Guess that means we can elevate Wood from Rookie list?

If true, I think Kruezer may be at end at Carlton..I suspect MM wont put up with a player being continually injured..

Mossie...I think the club will support him but his long term future as a player in the game at any club might start being an issue.
You would have to think we will search for another ruckman next season to give us another option....Wood is good backup and handy around the ground but his ruckwork isnt any better than Rowe's IMO although you could argue he needs game time as the NO 1 ruckman to improve in that area given he has only played 50-60 games from memory.

The only "support" the Club should make is to find him another Club or if not, employment outside football
We cannot "support" injured players on the playing list - we have Carrozzo that has not played for 12 months - with a 2 year extension
Kruezer has to stand literally and metaphysically on his own two feet.
Football is not a charity -  its a ruthless on field business, why should it not be ruthless off field?

Before we state what Mick will and will not put up with, how long was Josh Fraser (a former number 1 draft pick) given at Collingwood, before they finally let him go?

By my reckoning he got about 10 years at Collingwood, and most of them under Malthouse.  He too was injury prone.

They found support for him by the end.

When push comes to shove, its just another position that we are struggling in really.

Quote from: Thryleon on March 28, 2014, 05:04:30 pm

Before we state what Mick will and will not put up with, how long was Josh Fraser (a former number 1 draft pick) given at Collingwood, before they finally let him go?

By my reckoning he got about 10 years at Collingwood, and most of them under Malthouse.  He too was injury prone.

They found support for him by the end.

When push comes to shove, its just another position that we are struggling in really.

Fraser was a great marking target from the beginning, so much so they considered making him a permanent forward. Nobody on our list other than Waite comes close!

I am not sure why he is being discussed, you could compare Josh Fraser to Fraser Gehrig and get a closer match than comparing Josh Fraser to any of our rucks.

Quote from: MosquitoFleet on March 28, 2014, 04:43:55 pm

The only "support" the Club should make is to find him another Club or if not, employment outside football
We cannot "support" injured players on the playing list - we have Carrozzo that has not played for 12 months - with a 2 year extension
Kruezer has to stand literally and metaphysically on his own two feet.
Football is not a charity -  its a ruthless on field business, why should it not be ruthless off field?

There are two issues to your ruthless business ethic.

A: Clubs must paint themselves as attractive destinations, especially given the increasing scope for Free Agency. Demonstrating good player welfare is tantamount to long term success, if that wasn't the case clubs would not be wasting money on multi-million dollar training and recovery facilities.

B: The AFLPA wields a mighty stick at the moment, player welfare is paramount and towers over the desires, wants and needs of the clubs. The AFL is a professional workplace not an amateur sporting body, so player welfare is an OH&S issue, and rightly so I think!

IMHO, clubs have no choice but to be good citizens in this regard.

To me it is the fit but under-performing players that the clubs need more freedom to deal with!

Quote from: LP on March 28, 2014, 05:10:18 pm

Quote from: Thryleon on March 28, 2014, 05:04:30 pm

Before we state what Mick will and will not put up with, how long was Josh Fraser (a former number 1 draft pick) given at Collingwood, before they finally let him go?

By my reckoning he got about 10 years at Collingwood, and most of them under Malthouse.  He too was injury prone.

They found support for him by the end.

When push comes to shove, its just another position that we are struggling in really.

Fraser was a great marking target from the beginning, so much so they considered making him a permanent forward. Nobody on our list other than Waite comes close!

I am not sure why he is being discussed, you could compare Josh Fraser to Fraser Gehrig and get a closer match than comparing Josh Fraser to any of our rucks.

Someone stated that mick wont put up with Kreuzer being injury prone.  Follow the thread LP.

There is a rumour going around BF and TC that Kreuzer could miss 12 weeks, not 5 - 8.
That would be a disaster, for us and for him.
Looks like we will be depending on Cameron Wood. I would have thought that a nightmare scenario not long ago. What are the Northern Blues going to do for a ruckman?

As to whether Kreuzer stays or is traded, the probability of us recruiting ruck talent this draft has gone up a lot. After all, Warnock rarely lasts more than half a season.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on March 28, 2014, 04:02:33 pm

Quote from: MosquitoFleet on March 28, 2014, 03:47:00 pm

Quote from: age on March 28, 2014, 03:33:54 pm

HUN reporting that Kruezer could miss 6 to 8 weeks  with his foot injury.

Guess that means we can elevate Wood from Rookie list?

If true, I think Kruezer may be at end at Carlton..I suspect MM wont put up with a player being continually injured..

Mossie...I think the club will support him but his long term future as a player in the game at any club might start being an issue.
You would have to think we will search for another ruckman next season to give us another option....Wood is good backup and handy around the ground but his ruckwork isnt any better than Rowe's IMO although you could argue he needs game time as the NO 1 ruckman to improve in that area given he has only played 50-60 games from memory.

The only "support" the Club should make is to find him another Club or if not, employment outside football
We cannot "support" injured players on the playing list - we have Carrozzo that has not played for 12 months - with a 2 year extension
Kruezer has to stand literally and metaphysically on his own two feet.
Football is not a charity -  its a ruthless on field business, why should it not be ruthless off field?