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Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: townsendcalling on November 16, 2019, 03:23:39 pm

Title: Why will we improve?
Post by: townsendcalling on November 16, 2019, 03:23:39 pm
At this time of the year, every club is selling hope (and memberships). Forget the spin, share 2 good reasons why you believe the team will improve this year.

1.     Better game plan on moving the ball forward, will give our emerging forward line far more opportunities.
2.     Sam Docherty to add stability and leadership in the back line. 
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: Lods on November 16, 2019, 04:08:21 pm
Young fellows are a year older.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: Baggers on November 16, 2019, 05:17:11 pm
1. Stability. Didn't delist almost 30% of the side for the first time in a good few years (exasperated by injuries, also) . So many of the blokes who played together this year will again suit up with mostly familiar faces.

2. Enthusiasm. The second half of this season saw bona fide enthusiasm and an exciting game plan which I assume the players bought into and loved - the members and supporters sure did. No doubt this game plan will receive some changes but I reckon the enthusiasm will only grow.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: capcom on November 16, 2019, 05:24:16 pm
I certainly wouldn't include Docherty as a positive until and unless he picks up the pace.  Two years of nothing will take a long time from which to recover.

For me, Betts.  And a full year of Teague




 
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: jeza on November 16, 2019, 07:30:03 pm
1. Jack Silvagni
2. David Cuningham

To become 2 of our 5 best players next year.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: kruddler on November 16, 2019, 07:34:25 pm
Why? Simple maths.

Roughly 3/4 of our players will be closer to the age bracket where peak performance is expected.
Some will remain in that age bracket.
Very few are past that age bracket.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 16, 2019, 07:44:22 pm
Why? Simple maths.

Roughly 3/4 of our players will be closer to the age bracket where peak performance is expected.
Some will remain in that age bracket.
Very few are past that age bracket.

Yep thats reasonable logic, I also think you are relying on a few other teams dropping off who get more players either side of that age bracket.

Also in terms of talent on the park if Docherty and Charlie Curnow can play most games that should equate to a few more wins and the Eddie factor
should be good for a few wins too.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: JonHenry on November 17, 2019, 03:33:15 am
Agree with the list profile getting older being a plus BUT...

We seriously need improvement from some individuals playing midfield time:
Setterfield
Kennedy
SPS
Jack
Dow
Fisher
OBrien
Cunningham
All need a leap forward. Not just natural progression.
Significant improvements in fitness and output
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: sandsmere on November 17, 2019, 06:14:46 am
Young fellows are a year older.



Agree.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2019, 09:44:43 am
And we know the new blokes i.e. Betts, Martin and Newnes - will simply do their job and do it well.

The kids will have to perform consistently well to gain - or retain - a pot in the 22.

Charlie C to finally have a real breakout year. 50+ goals.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: kruddler on November 17, 2019, 09:55:52 am
Agree with the list profile getting older being a plus BUT...

We seriously need improvement from some individuals playing midfield time:
Setterfield
Kennedy
SPS
Jack
Dow
Fisher
OBrien
Cunningham
All need a leap forward. Not just natural progression.
Significant improvements in fitness and output

With a fit list, only half of them will be in the best 22....so fingers crossed
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: DJC on November 18, 2019, 12:22:28 pm
Young fellows are a year older.

1. Stability. Didn't delist almost 30% of the side for the first time in a good few years (exasperated by injuries, also) . So many of the blokes who played together this year will again suit up with mostly familiar faces.

I think that they are the two most important reasons why we should improve.

Our youngsters will be stronger and should have greater endurance with another pre-season under their belts.  Their increasing maturity should mean more confidence and greater resilience.

Marc Murphy made a comment about hoping that we wouldn’t make too many list changes this year.  He implied that it was quite draining to have teammates replaced in bulk.  A more modest list turnover this year should improve team cohesion.

Another factor will be the addition of some proven, mature players.  That should take some of the pressure of our youngsters and allow them time to develop as AFL players.  Both Newnes and Betts are leaders and should have a positive impact on the blokes around them.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: PaulP on February 25, 2020, 09:10:37 pm
- fittest and healthiest list in years
- instant age / experience / leadership hit with Betts and Docherty
- return of blokes like Willo
- young guys with more experience and another pre season
- no more development - the quick fix is back
- plenty of media love / no media pressure
- all quiet on the western front / removal of troublemakers and other staff gumming up the works

That’s 5 or 6 wins right there. Then on top of that, we’ll see what Delegatin’ Dave can conjure up.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: LoveNavy on February 25, 2020, 10:55:21 pm
And we know the new blokes i.e. Betts, Martin and Newnes - will simply do their job and do it well.

The kids will have to perform consistently well to gain - or retain - a pot in the 22.

Charlie C to finally have a real breakout year. 50+ goals.

Isn't Charlie out for most of the season flyboy?
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: LP on February 26, 2020, 07:45:54 am
Isn't Charlie out for most of the season flyboy?
That's what has been implied without an official statement, they keep talking mid-way so I'm expecting maybe the last few games which would be typical for AFL.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: flyboy77 on February 26, 2020, 07:49:20 am
Back in mid November when i made this post.

Gotta say this new format leaves me very disinterested - too hard to see what's going on....
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2020, 07:49:56 am
Yep thats reasonable logic, I also think you are relying on a few other teams dropping off who get more players either side of that age bracket.

Also in terms of talent on the park if Docherty and Charlie Curnow can play most games that should equate to a few more wins and the Eddie factor
should be good for a few wins too.
Unfortunately it sounds like he wont
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2020, 07:51:15 am
And we know the new blokes i.e. Betts, Martin and Newnes - will simply do their job and do it well.

The kids will have to perform consistently well to gain - or retain - a pot in the 22.

Charlie C to finally have a real breakout year. 50+ goals.
In 2020?
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: crashlander on February 26, 2020, 07:55:41 am
[1] A list that appears happy with the style and game plan. A list that is lowly maturing and gaining talent. A list without the huge number of injuries that have cursed us this century.
[2] Better structure: we now have a small forward and a bit more pace and skill around the ground. We also have a few more players that the opposition have to work harder to control.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: flyboy77 on February 26, 2020, 12:12:26 pm
In 2020?

It was written well before Charlie's last f... up.

Nonetheless - we are adding Doc, Jack Martin, Newnes, Betts and (arguably) Willo to our starting 22.

The first 4 are proven, mature good to very good players. Newnes will play most games this year imo - he wasn't picked up to be a 2s player. He runs all day, competes hard and does his job well.

They alone will ensure a huge gain (in terms of onfield output/performance) over our 2019 level.

So the ultimate improvement will then be a function of how many of our kids stand up as regular, consistent players this year.

Guys like SPS, Cuners, Setterfield, SoJ, Kennedy, Weiters and Fish are primed. And Big H too.

All in that are 22 or 23 odd, mostly played 50-75 games and now in season 4 or season 5 of their AFL careers.

All are men physically now. Fish, the runt of that group has noticeably beefed up.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: Milhanna13 on February 26, 2020, 12:20:37 pm
Agree with the list profile getting older being a plus BUT...

We seriously need improvement from some individuals playing midfield time:
Setterfield
Kennedy
SPS
Jack
Dow
Fisher
OBrien
Cunningham


Amen
This is where the season will be won/lost
If one or two of them (Setters and SPS??) can turn into stars, and the rest turn into really good reliable players, then we could be anything
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: flyboy77 on February 26, 2020, 12:38:30 pm
I want Dow and O'Brien to find their feet in the 2s.

Once they're dominating there consistently, then think about picking them.

They're both 21 this year.

Next year they'll be cherry ripe!
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: LoveNavy on February 26, 2020, 10:21:31 pm
Back in mid November when i made this post.

Gotta say this new format leaves me very disinterested - too hard to see what's going on....

Ah. That makes sense. The last estimate i saw for Charlie's return was July. Anybody's guess!

Gotta say I'm struggling with the new format too 😕
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 26, 2020, 11:23:57 pm
Ah. That makes sense. The last estimate i saw for Charlie's return was July. Anybody's guess!

Gotta say I'm struggling with the new format too 😕
x 2, sorry Fly, I didnt notice the date.
Title: Re: Why will we improve?
Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2020, 07:36:14 am
ps being the eternal optimist, I expect Charlie back earlier than they are saying too.

He did the latest injury 20 November and at that point it was deemed by Lloyd as a "3-4 month injury". Days after my bullish post!

So December, January, February, March is 4 months.

Has there been any formal news of a further 'setback'? Not to my knowledge!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4169614/

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Criteria for a safe RTS after patellofemoral instability ISAKOS
If bony surgery is involved, complete radiographic healing of bone
No complaints of knee pain or knee instability
Full or near full range of motion
No knee effusion
Completed neuromuscular training/proprioception
Satisfactory core strength and endurance
Acceptable control with dynamic activities (e.g., Star Excursion Balance Test)
Limb Symmetry Index > 85 % on hop tests, especially if resuming pivoting sports
Adequate performance with physiotherapist during sport-specific drills simulating the intensity and movement patterns of the athlete’s given sport
Athlete demonstrates a psychological readiness to return to sport (e.g., SANE score > 80/100)